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(Washington Post)   The Fairfax County library system needs to make room for new books, so they pull old ones. Do they (a) donate them to a shelter or poor community, (b) sell them to raise funds, or (c) toss them in a dumpster?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 69
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2013-09-10 12:12:48 PM
They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month
 
2013-09-10 12:25:44 PM
Fairfax County represent!

/don't move here, there's no more room and you'll spend most of your day stuck in traffic anyway
 
2013-09-10 12:39:51 PM
Another installment of, "Dumb Asses of Norther Virginia."

/Glad to be out of that hellhole.
 
2013-09-10 12:40:32 PM
Shouldn't they at least put them in the recycle bin?
 
2013-09-10 12:40:47 PM
Did they light the dumpster on fire?  If not, they wasted a prime opportunity to dance around it naked like wild injuns.
 
2013-09-10 12:41:51 PM
/oblig
 
2013-09-10 12:42:07 PM

LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month


Good job not reading the article.

So Smyth did her own investigation. Among the items she found consigned to the trash were a pristine 2010 Fodor's guide to Mexico, some large, good-quality art and gardening books, and "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown."
 
2013-09-10 12:42:25 PM
Library books are always full of other peoples' food.
 
2013-09-10 12:42:30 PM

LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month


You were a librarian in Final Fantasy X?
 
2013-09-10 12:43:05 PM
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2013-09-10 12:43:07 PM
My wife works in a library and this happens a lot. They weed out the books that don't get circulated and toss them. If, statistically, no one reads them, they are taking up valuable shelf space that could go to books people want to read.

People donate books to the library too, and a lot of them end up in the dumpster. Others are put in the perpetual used book sale. Almost none of the donated books end up on the shelf.
 
2013-09-10 12:44:31 PM

LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month


I had to re-read the location before I realized FFX didn't stand for "Fer Fark's Sake."  I assume I'm very late to that joke.
 
2013-09-10 12:45:34 PM

Kygz: Did they light the dumpster on fire?  If not, they wasted a prime opportunity to dance around it naked like wild injuns.


Or at least stage an incredibly realistic WWII re-enactment event.   Burning books is BAD mmm'kay?   the start of my 6-700 paperback collection of Golden age SF&F  came because my local library sold old peperbacks 3 for $1 or sometimes had a 10/$1 sale

currently kinda pissed Used e-book stores aren;t a thing yet
 
2013-09-10 12:45:54 PM
Idiots. Our local library (Pequot) stores all the discards (and donated books) until their annual book sale http://www.pequotlibrary.org/index.php/book-sales/summer-book-sale .
Last year, they sold 140,000 books, with the proceeds going towards library funding.
 
2013-09-10 12:46:07 PM
"Biblioclasm" is an underused word.
 
2013-09-10 12:46:52 PM
This is a trick question...     answer is 'no one cares because no one reads these old throwaway type books anyway'.       Crap books... no one reads.

Donated crap books ?   Yep, they get tossed too.   Thankfully.
 
2013-09-10 12:48:14 PM

Walker: Fairfax County represent!

/don't move here, there's no more room and you'll spend most of your day stuck in traffic anyway


Falls Church!
 
2013-09-10 12:49:29 PM
I've seen them. I swear. Whole Dumpsters. Dumpsters full of donated national geographics.

/librarian
 
2013-09-10 12:50:25 PM

cgraves67: My wife works in a library and this happens a lot. They weed out the books that don't get circulated and toss them. If, statistically, no one reads them, they are taking up valuable shelf space that could go to books people want to read.

People donate books to the library too, and a lot of them end up in the dumpster. Others are put in the perpetual used book sale. Almost none of the donated books end up on the shelf.


This.  Before I learned to fly, I worked at a small library in Northern NY.  If we hadn't thrown books away, we would have had piles of crap everywhere.  People donated books all the time that we had either 20 copies of, or that were in such shiatty shape we couldn't have put them on the shelves if we wanted to.  As for books in "pristine" shape, yeah, probably because since they had put them on the shelves, the book hadn't been touched.  With libraries computerized these days, you can tell how many times a book has been checked out, and when.  We were throwing away books that hadn't been checked out in over 15 years.  If people weren't willing to read them FOR FREE, what makes people think that someone will pay you for them.
 
2013-09-10 12:51:45 PM
Moliere really pumps my nads.
 
2013-09-10 12:52:03 PM
The 2010 guide to Mexico was thrown out because it lacked the warning:

"IF YOU GO TO MEXICO YOU WILL BE MURDERED AND HAVE YOUR GENITALS STUFFED IN YOUR MOUTH"
 
2013-09-10 12:52:23 PM
Just donate the books nobody wants to retards.  Everybody wins.
 
2013-09-10 12:54:07 PM

Geotpf: LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month

Good job not reading the article.

So Smyth did her own investigation. Among the items she found consigned to the trash were a pristine 2010 Fodor's guide to Mexico, some large, good-quality art and gardening books, and "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown."


So you have an out of date travel guide that nobody was interested in when it was new (thus the "pristine"), but it's too good for the trash?

And subby, libraries are there to support the community already.  Why would you take books out of the library and put them in a shelter?  Library books are already free.  That is the primary purpose of the library.
 
2013-09-10 12:54:10 PM

Carn: Walker: Fairfax County represent!

/don't move here, there's no more room and you'll spend most of your day stuck in traffic anyway

Falls Church!


Sterling!

/We'll cut you...
 
2013-09-10 12:54:15 PM

LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month


Then things must have changed. You obviously didn't read the article--they were ordered to toss those books and hadn't even offered them to the Friends of the Library (or whatever their org is called).
 
2013-09-10 12:57:16 PM
Face it, folks...  This isn't the dark ages.  Books aren't quite as precious as they used to be.  In fact, much like Hollywood movies, there may actually be TOO MANY in existence as it is.  I like to consider myself pretty well read.  And by that I mean, I've rifled through a few hundred novels in my time.  But that is barely a fraction of what is out there.  It doesn't even register on any scale.

Thanks to things like eBooks, the need for actual hard-copy books is starting to fade anyway, much like the need for CDs and DVDs has.

Even text books are becoming a thing of the past, now that most of them are actually available on the internet.  I can't really find myself shedding any tears over some books that no one cars to read, let alone own, are being discarded.
 
2013-09-10 12:57:44 PM

Teknowaffle: The 2010 guide to Mexico was thrown out because it lacked the warning:

"IF YOU GO TO MEXICO YOU WILL BE MURDERED AND HAVE YOUR GENITALS STUFFED IN YOUR MOUTH"


This. 2010 when the 2014s are on the shelves? Please. I dunno about the others, but it shows they already have 27 copies of It's a Great Pumpkin and possibly more in reserve ready to go when those wear out. How many do you think the library needs? They have to make room for all those donated encyclopedias from the 1980s people think they want.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:16 PM

Deedeemarz: LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month

Then things must have changed. You obviously didn't read the article--they were ordered to toss those books and hadn't even offered them to the Friends of the Library (or whatever their org is called).


Look, people don't read anymore. Friends of the library won't want them. Besides, it is Fairfax, they are mostly going to be copies of Atlas Shrugged my dad wore out.

/grew up with the Sherwood Branch just off of Richmond Highway.
//my dad and I were asked to leave after we discovered a book, I believe by a farker called "Gallery of Regrettable Foods" as we were laughing too hard.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:46 PM
Unfortunatly, most libraries just toss them after a weekend books sale!  Brand new stuff, still in oem shrink wrap, wonderful coffee table books, reference materials, full sets of encyclopedias,  you name it, if it was in the library it goes in the dumpster.  I've volunteered/helped several libraries with their "Friends of the library" book sales only to take everything I had been setting up on display tables, when it was over, straight to the big dumpster just setting off to the side.  It's horrible but they will not send them anywhere or donate them or do any thing that cost them money and people claim they needs them schools and what not but will not spend the money to come pick them up. I don't help destroy books any longer and I'm left disappointed when I hear of places that need them and claim they can't get them.  It's all B.S.  both sides just to dam lazy to do anything. One side will not deliver them and the other side will not come to pick them up. It's just easier to dump then in the trash for one, and the other expecting boxes of goodies to just show up at their door as if my a miracle.   
Next time you see a library book sale, just look around for the rented dumpster, you'll see it, and now you know why it's there!
 
2013-09-10 12:59:57 PM
Waaaaahh. It's books in a dumpster, not babies.
 
2013-09-10 01:02:26 PM

MrCheeks: Carn: Walker: Fairfax County represent!

/don't move here, there's no more room and you'll spend most of your day stuck in traffic anyway

Falls Church!

Sterling!

/We'll cut you...


Yeah right, we've got more gang members than you. Don't f*ck with us rich boy.

/Loudoun County (Sterling) knocked Fairfax County out of the #1 slot for highest median income in the country so we're a little bitter
 
2013-09-10 01:02:33 PM

MrCheeks: Carn: Walker: Fairfax County represent!

/don't move here, there's no more room and you'll spend most of your day stuck in traffic anyway

Falls Church!

Sterling!

/We'll cut you...


Well your traffic sucks worse although we do have Seven Corners, king of bad traffic ideas.
 
2013-09-10 01:02:36 PM
This little gem FTA is the real problem:

Clay said that he had involved branch managers and staff in devising the plan. Three community forums to discuss the library's future were poorly attended, he said.

Everyone wants everything done their way, but they don't want to show up when there is work to be done.
 
2013-09-10 01:05:11 PM

Quackadam: wonderful coffee table books, reference materials, full sets of encyclopedias, you name it, if it was in the library it goes in the dumpster.


Heh. 9/10.
 
2013-09-10 01:05:13 PM

LibrarySpy: They do A, B, and C. Trust me, they only throw away books they can't give away, because no one would want to touch them. This whole thing is a ridiculous amount of nothing.

/former FFX librarian
//oversaw removal of 1000 books a month


Maybe in Faifax they try but I really doubt it. They ALL get tossed good, bad, new or used. Maybe all those 1000's of books you tossed left you desensitised and far more critical on who'd want to touch what.
 
2013-09-10 01:08:05 PM
I can sympathize because my company is moving to a new location and we are taking the opportunity to clean the place out and start fresh. We're an educational company and over the years have accumulated a TON of books: children's books, young adult books, reference books, text books, etc. We cleared out what was donate-able (friend of mine took all of our reading textbook materials to send to schools in Africa-whew). A lot of inner city schools can use those books to build their own libraries, or to even just give out to students.

But there were a lot of things that were in terrible shape, horribly out of date, or just not interesting that we pitched. I will say that we at least recycled them. I hope that's what they are actually doing with these books, not just sending them to a landfill.
 
2013-09-10 01:09:04 PM

Carn: Well your traffic sucks worse although we do have Seven Corners, king of bad traffic ideas.


Indeed, it is a Glorious Triumph of infrastructure mismanagement.

I'm just happy that Fairfux County finally saw fit to put a farking SIDEWALK on the street that leads to my daughter's elementary school (after something like 45 years), because Our Patriot Christian Virginia Founding Fathers would have seen the provision of a safe way for kids to walk to school and not be hit by cars on the no-shoulder road as an infringement on the sovereignty of the Citizen Property Owner.
 
2013-09-10 01:09:40 PM
LOL. I love it when non library science types learn about weeding. Yeah, those history books that have final chapters about "maybe the Soviet Union won't exist one day." Yeah, those aren't fit for shelters or any donation. They are out of date and should be recycled.

Non-story.
 
2013-09-10 01:12:48 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Our Patriot Christian Virginia Founding Fathers would have seen the provision of a safe way for kids to walk to school and not be hit by cars on the no-shoulder road as an infringement on the sovereignty of the Citizen Property Owner.


Yet another reason I moved to Maryland,  Lived off of Rolling Road in Springfield and went up Malfunction Junction to 395 every damn day.
 
2013-09-10 01:14:21 PM

bpsmyth: This little gem FTA is the real problem:

Clay said that he had involved branch managers and staff in devising the plan. Three community forums to discuss the library's future were poorly attended, he said.

Everyone wants everything done their way, but they don't want to show up when there is work to be done.


If I had to go out on a limb, I'd bet that the library staff was there, 2 old cranks who go to every government meeting to sound off, a hippy type who doesn't believe in bathing, and two homeschooling mothers, one a right wing religious nut, and the other some left wing fruit cake.  And then people wonder why stupid ideas come out of community forums.  Only nut jobs come out to them.
 
2013-09-10 01:18:18 PM
An Air Museum I go to did this with much of their library a couple years ago.Who wants to read Bill Barnes Air Trails anyway? Seriously a lot of golden age magazines , overhaul and repair manuals and the like trashed . I told them about a fairly well known buyer in SoCal,but they were not interested in selling, just dumping.
 
2013-09-10 01:21:53 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Carn: Well your traffic sucks worse although we do have Seven Corners, king of bad traffic ideas.

Indeed, it is a Glorious Triumph of infrastructure mismanagement.

I'm just happy that Fairfux County finally saw fit to put a farking SIDEWALK on the street that leads to my daughter's elementary school (after something like 45 years), because Our Patriot Christian Virginia Founding Fathers would have seen the provision of a safe way for kids to walk to school and not be hit by cars on the no-shoulder road as an infringement on the sovereignty of the Citizen Property Owner.


The lack of sidewalks around here seems really silly to me.  When I walk my dog, the worst spot is a blind corner where we go from having a sidewalk to no sidewalk, where most cars come barreling at the turn (90 degree) far too fast.  We've had to jump out of the way a couple of times.  Our neighborhood has sidewalks on a teeny 100 yard section out of 1.2 miles.
 
2013-09-10 01:27:10 PM
One weekend, a Sunday afternoon near the end of the sale, a fellow walks up to the table of nice great condition and mostly new hardback books of all sorts and he offers $50 for the whole table. Sold! I recognized the man, he owns a used book store.  A couple days later, there in his store in the "New arrivals" section was a table full of all the books he had just bought and they were priced as you would expect, all he had to do was sale 2 of those books on that table and he made his money back!  Oh and why yes, he was a "Friend of the Library" member.. He loved the local libraries!!!
 
2013-09-10 01:32:39 PM
Well if they were recycled that is at least a good step. When I was working for the Air Force Association I had to help clean up their library. They had a shiat ton of old books. I was trying to get my hands on one of the ones autographed by Jimmy Doolittle, but they went quick damnit. I did get some real nice books though. I got some of Janes books on planes and one on ships from the early 80s. In the end we only pitched the books that were tore up and water damaged.
 
2013-09-10 01:35:42 PM

Enigmamf: Shouldn't they at least put them in the recycle bin?


Can't. Unkn0wn binding and cover materials. Would have to cut off the bindings and covers to recover paper. Not worth the electricity and labor to replace a cheap-to-grow tree.
 
2013-09-10 01:42:37 PM
Those Fodor travel books are useless when outdated when you can find a current map and use the internet to find current hotels and restaurants. In some cities restaurants open and close so often that anything that is not the current year is just completely useless.

If you are doing something ultra-specific (for example, the Road to Hana where the waterfalls and beaches never change location) then a specific travel book is helpful- but for something ultra general like MEXICO other than the HISTORY and general descriptions of different areas- those books are so farking useless.
 
2013-09-10 01:47:11 PM
Probably C. Old books are harder to give away than CRT TV's.
 
2013-09-10 02:02:16 PM
Typical, they cut the budget time after time, then start screaming when the library is forced to cut back services in order to survive.
 
2013-09-10 02:25:49 PM
Beats the alternative

www.ilholocaustmuseum.org
 
2013-09-10 02:33:30 PM
My college upgraded a student computer lab years ago and tossed all the old stuff in a dumpster. I was the newspaper editor. So I wrote a front-page story, with quotes from local shelters, eldercare activists, etc. They tried to censure me for violating some student ethics thing for blasting the college in its own paper. I won that battle. A few months later I won the college's highest award for student achievement for the same story.

Let's not throw away things that work. Like books. It's the height of lazy ignorance.
 
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