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2013-09-10 11:55:57 AM
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i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-09-10 11:59:13 AM
Not news: woman gives birth.

Ok then.
 
2013-09-10 12:00:41 PM
Be interesting to see what havoc the hormone treatments played with the kid's development. A fetus being subjected to that much testosterone?
 
2013-09-10 12:01:12 PM
These headlines are all...dorky. They use a shifting definition of "man" to try to appear sensational.

Is a man someone born with a dong and no vagina? That person having a baby would certainly be newsworthy, because it's not currently possible.
Is a man simply anyone who calls themselves a man, even if they were born with a vagina? That person having a baby isn't newsworthy at all.

See, watch - "Biological woman has baby, calls herself dude"  - more accurate, not newsworthy.
 
2013-09-10 12:03:31 PM
So, like in the US, it's a "legally male" person that gave birth. 
Nothing to see here,
As long as he/she stops hormonal treatments during pregnancy, there's nothing wrong with it.
 
2013-09-10 12:03:39 PM
Eeeewwwww. That's friggen weird. The dark parts internets are gonna have a field day with this.
 
2013-09-10 12:05:55 PM
Those wacky Krauts, I tell ya.  I wonder if he will be a Hans or Frans.
 
2013-09-10 12:07:19 PM

Richard C Stanford: Eeeewwwww. That's friggen weird. The dark parts internets are gonna have a field day with this.


This reminds me of Mary Toft. Friggen weird if there ever was such a thing.
 
2013-09-10 12:07:44 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: Be interesting to see what havoc the hormone treatments played with the kid's development. A fetus being subjected to that much testosterone?


emtoast.com
 
2013-09-10 12:09:09 PM
This is not a case of a man giving birth.  It is the case of a transgender person who self-identifies as male giving birth.
 
2013-09-10 12:09:28 PM
"man"
 
2013-09-10 12:09:37 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Not news: woman gives birth.

Ok then.


This.
 
2013-09-10 12:10:26 PM

HighOnCraic: [www.movieposter.com image 500x391]

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done in one.
 
2013-09-10 12:10:45 PM

hailin: ArcadianRefugee: Not news: woman gives birth.

Ok then.

This.


so... what your saying is: a woman gave birth

Shocking
 
2013-09-10 12:11:45 PM
So did it like totally rip his peener off?
 
2013-09-10 12:12:57 PM

abfalter: This is not a case of a man giving birth.  It is the case of a transgender person who self-identifies as male giving birth.


This.  Apparently all the idiots above equate transgendered with transsexual.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:03 PM
Is this the weekly trans-person hate thread?

/I really wish they'd stop green lighting these.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:32 PM
Awesome, we haven't had a good "GENDER IS NOT THE SAME AS BIOLOGICAL SEX YOU IGNORANT CIS SCUM!!1!" thread in damn near what, a day now?
 
2013-09-10 12:15:06 PM

hailin: ArcadianRefugee: Not news: woman gives birth.

Ok then.

This.


Times infinity.
 
2013-09-10 12:16:05 PM
one word, Repulsive.
 
2013-09-10 12:16:14 PM
Oh that doesn't count! He had the baby making equipment from the get go!

A man with male genitalia giving birth to a baby, now THERE'S something!
 
2013-09-10 12:16:49 PM
If it gave birth, it's not a man.
 
2013-09-10 12:17:02 PM
What is the next level below absurdly obnoxious?
 
2013-09-10 12:26:03 PM

Helena Handbasket: If it gave birth, it's not a man.


Since the words man and woman are subjective, is there a word to describe that is not? Maybe go by chromosones?

So a XX gave birth.  XY's don't give birth.
 
2013-09-10 12:28:37 PM

abfalter: This is not a case of a man giving birth.  It is the case of a transgender person who self-identifies as male giving birth.


tl;dr

How about "very hairy woman with deep voice gives birth"?
 
2013-09-10 12:28:57 PM
I'm not a medical expert, but if you have a fully functioning vagina and uterus AND gave birth to a baby, I don't think you qualify as a man.
 
2013-09-10 12:29:43 PM

HailRobonia: The_Original_Roxtar: Be interesting to see what havoc the hormone treatments played with the kid's development. A fetus being subjected to that much testosterone?


I believe you may have scarred me for life with that pic.

Good jorb sir.
 
2013-09-10 12:30:17 PM

leonel: Oh that doesn't count! He had the baby making equipment from the get go!

A man with male genitalia giving birth to a baby, now THERE'S something!


That would be worth a freaking article!

/C-Section, please!
 
2013-09-10 12:37:14 PM
I'm fine with the idea that people do not identify with the gender they're born with. But that doesn't make them any less the gender they are born with. This blurring of male and female is about the same as teaching creationism in science class. Just because you believe in something doesn't make it scientifically applicable. And the whole scientific argument about chromosomal imbalances is still pretty moot, as gender is still predicated by your reproductive organs regardless of fertility. We don't identify animals as mostly male or kinda female.

Tolerance to differences in people's mental make-up is certainly something to strive for, but until they can zap us with frikin lasers that actually can change our gender, our physical gender will continue to be easily defined.
 
2013-09-10 12:43:04 PM

Mr. carrot: I'm fine with the idea that people do not identify with the gender they're born with. But that doesn't make them any less the gender they are born with. This blurring of male and female is about the same as teaching creationism in science class. Just because you believe in something doesn't make it scientifically applicable. And the whole scientific argument about chromosomal imbalances is still pretty moot, as gender is still predicated by your reproductive organs regardless of fertility. We don't identify animals as mostly male or kinda female.

Tolerance to differences in people's mental make-up is certainly something to strive for, but until they can zap us with frikin lasers that actually can change our gender, our physical gender will continue to be easily defined.


gender != sex

Yes the article conflates the two in order to generate cheap sensationalism but that doesn't make it OK.
 
2013-09-10 12:52:14 PM

Mr. carrot: I'm fine with the idea that people do not identify with the gender they're born with. But that doesn't make them any less the gender they are born with. This blurring of male and female is about the same as teaching creationism in science class. Just because you believe in something doesn't make it scientifically applicable. And the whole scientific argument about chromosomal imbalances is still pretty moot, as gender is still predicated by your reproductive organs regardless of fertility. We don't identify animals as mostly male or kinda female.

Tolerance to differences in people's mental make-up is certainly something to strive for, but until they can zap us with frikin lasers that actually can change our gender, our physical gender will continue to be easily defined.


ecx.images-amazon.com
here ya go
 
2013-09-10 12:53:22 PM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: abfalter: This is not a case of a man giving birth.  It is the case of a transgender person who self-identifies as male giving birth.

This.  Apparently all the idiots above equate transgendered with transsexual.


Most people use them as synonyms. What's the difference?

Regardless of the label, this is a case of a woman wants to be a man who had her breasts removed (the scars show) and takes enough male hormones to grow a beard and then became pregnant and gave birth as a "father." NTTAWWT, nothing at all, really; every mentally healthy and well-adjusted person should do the same, right?

And remember, O "progressives" and/or PC hipsters, the only way to prove 100% that you're not "transphobic" is to have a full "reassignment" yourself. Why don't you? Is there something wrong with it? Is it beneath you? What if somebody else paid for the whole process? And don't give me that "My SO won't like it!" -- how can you be truly non-prejudiced if you become Specially Othered with a 'phobe? If s/he really loves you s/he'll love you as a tranny too, and get processed also to prove it. Just think: you can't have a race change to probe you're not racist, but you can do this. Unless you're a prejudiced bigoted h8t3r, of course.

Maybe you won't have to sacrifice your gonads: maybe taking hormones and correcting your secondary characteristics would do it. Buy yourself some bolt-ons, d00ds! Change your names to Candi or something.

By the way, I must take this opportunity to reveal that I myself am transspecial: on the outside I look like a human but really I'm a duck. Unfortunately there's as yet no surgery to make my outside match my inside, so you PC anti-phobes now have a Cause. C'mon, it's probably easier than curing breast cancer.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:26 PM

Loaf's Tray: Awesome, we haven't had a good "GENDER IS NOT THE SAME AS BIOLOGICAL SEX YOU IGNORANT CIS SCUM!!1!" thread in damn near what, a day now?


Such an angry little derpaholic you are.  Do you imagine that everyone you ever disagree with screams at you?
 
2013-09-10 12:59:26 PM

The One True TheDavid: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: abfalter: This is not a case of a man giving birth.  It is the case of a transgender person who self-identifies as male giving birth.

This.  Apparently all the idiots above equate transgendered with transsexual.

Most people use them as synonyms. What's the difference?

Regardless of the label, this is a case of a woman wants to be a man who had her breasts removed (the scars show) and takes enough male hormones to grow a beard and then became pregnant and gave birth as a "father." NTTAWWT, nothing at all, really; every mentally healthy and well-adjusted person should do the same, right?

And remember, O "progressives" and/or PC hipsters, the only way to prove 100% that you're not "transphobic" is to have a full "reassignment" yourself. Why don't you? Is there something wrong with it? Is it beneath you? What if somebody else paid for the whole process? And don't give me that "My SO won't like it!" -- how can you be truly non-prejudiced if you become Specially Othered with a 'phobe? If s/he really loves you s/he'll love you as a tranny too, and get processed also to prove it. Just think: you can't have a race change to probe you're not racist, but you can do this. Unless you're a prejudiced bigoted h8t3r, of course.

Maybe you won't have to sacrifice your gonads: maybe taking hormones and correcting your secondary characteristics would do it. Buy yourself some bolt-ons, d00ds! Change your names to Candi or something.

By the way, I must take this opportunity to reveal that I myself am transspecial: on the outside I look like a human but really I'm a duck. Unfortunately there's as yet no surgery to make my outside match my inside, so you PC anti-phobes now have a Cause. C'mon, it's probably easier than curing breast cancer.



www.douchearchives.com


Get a tan and pucker
 
2013-09-10 01:08:02 PM

HighOnCraic:


Maybe she'll become queen of the cantaloupe people. They are ordinary people, only better.

/obscure?
//On my Fark?
/mrowr
 
2013-09-10 01:08:16 PM
it's not a man...how dumb are people?
 
2013-09-10 01:15:03 PM

The One True TheDavid: By the way, I must take this opportunity to reveal that I myself am transspecial: on the outside I look like a human but really I'm a duck. Unfortunately there's as yet no surgery to make my outside match my inside, so you PC anti-phobes now have a Cause. C'mon, it's probably easier than curing breast cancer.


By the way, I must take this opportunity to reveal that your yourself are, or were, or thought you were transgender, or at least said so in other Fark threads, so I suspect there may be some sour grapes involved.
 
2013-09-10 01:18:11 PM

uber humper: The One True TheDavid:

By the way, I must take this opportunity to reveal that I myself am transspecial: on the outside I look like a human but really I'm a duck. Unfortunately there's as yet no surgery to make my outside match my inside, so you PC anti-phobes now have a Cause. C'mon, it's probably easier than curing breast cancer.

[www.douchearchives.com image 453x339]

Get a tan and pucker


I said DUCK. Being a douche is so easy I do it at least twice a week.

xen0blue: it's not a man...how dumb are people?


farm9.staticflickr.com

This is your brain on PC.
 
2013-09-10 01:53:21 PM
This is the first recorded time a transgender person has had a child in Europe, but in the U.S., Thomas Beatie, a transgender man, has had three children.

Suck it, trans-Krauts! USA! USA!
 
2013-09-10 01:56:36 PM

uber humper: Helena Handbasket: If it gave birth, it's not a man.

Since the words man and woman are subjective, is there a word to describe that is not? Maybe go by chromosones?

So a XX gave birth.  XY's don't give birth.


No, the words "man" and "woman" aren't subjective. They're definitive.

She can call herself a man all she wants, but if she can bear a child, she's a woman.

/Don't care for PC word games
 
2013-09-10 02:29:11 PM

ciberido: Loaf's Tray: Awesome, we haven't had a good "GENDER IS NOT THE SAME AS BIOLOGICAL SEX YOU IGNORANT CIS SCUM!!1!" thread in damn near what, a day now?

Such an angry little derpaholic you are.  Do you imagine that everyone you ever disagree with screams at you?


Out of which non-gender-specific orifice did you pull that assumption?
 
2013-09-10 02:46:54 PM
So basically he is really a she.  That is "spiffy"?  Sounds kinda gross.
 
2013-09-10 03:09:52 PM
I have to question how much this person is really a "he" if they wanted to carry and birth a child. I don't think any man would want to do that.
 
2013-09-10 05:43:41 PM

Voiceofreason01: Is this the weekly trans-person hate thread?

/I really wish they'd stop green lighting these.


Apparently so - but normally it's got a lot more trans-supportive people in it than transphobes and trolls.
 
2013-09-10 09:11:29 PM
snag.gy
 
2013-09-10 11:04:23 PM

Shedim: Voiceofreason01: Is this the weekly trans-person hate thread?

/I really wish they'd stop green lighting these.

Apparently so - but normally it's got a lot more trans-supportive people in it than transphobes and trolls.


It's too bad so many Farkers are intimidated by me but I'm neither a "transphobe" or a troll. I truly sincerely think that people who believe that they're "really" another sex than their anatomical and chromosomal one are deluded, that it's really no different from believing you're (say) the Second Coming of Christ. Of course one difference is that to make your "outside" match your "inner Jesus" all you have to do is grow some hair and walk around in a bedsheet and sandals; given a choice I'd certainly choose the one that requires neither very expensive major surgery nor a culture-wide ad campaign that labels doubters as h4t3rz or "'phobes."

And lemme tellya, although I'm a militant atheist I'd be more likely to believe that a hippie who raises the dead is Jesus than that somebody who gives birth is a man, regardless of who has the best beard.
 "The world is everything that is the case." That which is not the case is not part of the world. Get used to it.
 
2013-09-11 02:49:53 AM

The One True TheDavid: I truly sincerely think that people who believe that they're "really" another sex than their anatomical and chromosomal one are deluded, that it's really no different from believing you're (say) the Second Coming of Christ.


Okay. Why do you think that?

The One True TheDavid: "The world is everything that is the case." That which is not the case is not part of the world.


And what does that even mean, aside from sounding pseudo-philosophical?
 
2013-09-11 11:29:01 AM

Shedim: The One True TheDavid:

I truly sincerely think that people who believe that they're "really" another sex than their anatomical and chromosomal one are deluded, that it's really no different from believing you're (say) the Second Coming of Christ.

Okay. Why do you think that?


Because it's obvious. Why would any reasonably intelligent adult think otherwise?

     delusion (plural delusions) 1. A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts.

Actual facts, such as that (at least among humans and every other other mammal I've heard of in my 50 very long years) when a fertilized ovum implants in your womb to become a fetus that you carry to term and deliver vaginally then you are not male. That one's so self-evident a child can understand it, and it can only be doubted by submitting one's mind to obvious nonsense.

And if you believe you are male, in spite of being or having been pregnant, then you are deluded. Indeed, this German person in TFA is a very obvious example to use in teaching the concept of "delusion."

It is not possible for any man, even a German one, to become pregnant and deliver vaginally. There's no controversy to teach here, and there's no reason to consider there could be aside from a peculiarly stupid kind of politics (and a peculiarly mendacious form of "medicine"). This pseudo-issue only makes the various kinds of people Glenn Beck calls "secular humanist leftists" look ridiculous: "So you don't believe that God created the world in six days, but you do believe that someone who has just delivered vaginally can be a man."

This is so simple that an 8th grade dropout can do it on his first cup of coffee. (Tah-dah!)
 
2013-09-11 06:29:11 PM

The One True TheDavid: Shedim: The One True TheDavid:

I truly sincerely think that people who believe that they're "really" another sex than their anatomical and chromosomal one are deluded, that it's really no different from believing you're (say) the Second Coming of Christ.

Okay. Why do you think that?

Because it's obvious. Why would any reasonably intelligent adult think otherwise?

     delusion (plural delusions) 1. A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts.

Actual facts, such as that (at least among humans and every other other mammal I've heard of in my 50 very long years) when a fertilized ovum implants in your womb to become a fetus that you carry to term and deliver vaginally then you are not male. That one's so self-evident a child can understand it, and it can only be doubted by submitting one's mind to obvious nonsense.

And if you believe you are male, in spite of being or having been pregnant, then you are deluded. Indeed, this German person in TFA is a very obvious example to use in teaching the concept of "delusion."

It is not possible for any man, even a German one, to become pregnant and deliver vaginally. There's no controversy to teach here, and there's no reason to consider there could be aside from a peculiarly stupid kind of politics (and a peculiarly mendacious form of "medicine"). This pseudo-issue only makes the various kinds of people Glenn Beck calls "secular humanist leftists" look ridiculous: "So you don't believe that God created the world in six days, but you do believe that someone who has just delivered vaginally can be a man."

This is so simple that an 8th grade dropout can do it on his first cup of coffee. (Tah-dah!)


Thank you for answering my question.
 
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