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2013-09-10 11:32:16 AM  
recall elections are stupid.  your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.  try agian with a better candidate next year.
 
2013-09-10 11:41:55 AM  
In before the usual suspects because the thread title mentions the NRA
 
2013-09-10 11:47:09 AM  

ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.


Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.
 
2013-09-10 11:48:54 AM  
Then there will be ANOTHER recall election when another Democrat is selected as majority leader.  Rinse....repeat....

Recall elections AREN'T stupid when it's a soshulist Dimocrat being recalled.
 
2013-09-10 11:49:32 AM  
Embarrassed to live in Whinybabyville, CO.  The representative you elected did something you didn't like? Unless it's a felony, vote them out in the next election.
 
2013-09-10 11:50:05 AM  

CPennypacker: In before the usual suspects because the thread title mentions the NRA


To make this even more trolltastic, they should have thrown in fact that Bloomberg spent about 350K on opposition to the recall.  IIRC, this is about the same as the NRA has spent in favor of the recall.
 
2013-09-10 11:51:11 AM  

wooden_badger: Then there will be ANOTHER recall election when another Democrat is selected as majority leader. Rinse....repeat....


No there won't.
 
2013-09-10 11:52:01 AM  
Maximum damage control, TPM.
 
2013-09-10 11:55:06 AM  
msnbcmedia.msn.com


What part of "shall not be infringed" do you libs not understand? Vote YES to recall.
 
2013-09-10 11:55:06 AM  

HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.


Issue-driven recalls are not why we have recalls.  They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here. That's what general elections are for.
 
2013-09-10 11:57:33 AM  

HeadLever: Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed. This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.


considering that one of the senators that is being focused on in this recall is up for reelection next year and the senate president's term is up as well, the recall seems pointless
 
2013-09-10 11:59:11 AM  
Hey if this doesn't work you can always shoot them.
 
2013-09-10 11:59:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 298x380]


What part of "shall not be infringed" do you libs not understand? Vote YES to recall.


If you are part of an organized militia.....
 
2013-09-10 12:00:44 PM  

wwwade: They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here.


[citation needed]

That may part of recall elections, but it is not the only circumstance in which a recall can be enacted.    Remeber Scott Walker?
 
2013-09-10 12:02:23 PM  

somedude210: considering that one of the senators that is being focused on in this recall is up for reelection next year and the senate president's term is up as well,

 the recall seems pointless

I would tend to agree, however, maybe they didn't want them in office for that long.
 
2013-09-10 12:02:30 PM  
TPM is deeply concerned.

wwwade: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Issue-driven recalls are not why we have recalls.  They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here. That's what general elections are for.


What about doing a 180 on a very serious issue? Is it okay for politicians to break promises without consequences till next election?

Why should the only side expected to accept defeat is the rightwing?
 
2013-09-10 12:02:32 PM  
Trying to put a positive spin on the fact that you're probably going to lose these elections today?  That's what I call putting lipstick on the pig.
 
2013-09-10 12:02:39 PM  
"Yet now of all times, at the present [censored] moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the [censored], or that there would "not be enough" arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is "not enough" to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia"

I made a couple of censors here because I want people to guess who said this.  I possibly would like to watch the right wingers heads explode
 
2013-09-10 12:08:26 PM  

Pharque-it: HotWingConspiracy: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 298x380]


What part of "shall not be infringed" do you libs not understand? Vote YES to recall.

If you are part of an organized militia.....


Wow, knee-jerk reflexes in action!
 
2013-09-10 12:08:32 PM  

HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.


Right.  Which is of course why the four attempted recalls were launched only in district that lean slightly conservative and why the pro-recall voices have been talking about such 2nd amendment related topics as abortion, birth control, marijuana, and the relative jewiness of Michael Bloomberg.

The goal is to push the Dems to the right in the short term and to launch recalls on any Dem who wins in a swing District from here on out.  The ostensible reason will always be that it's "issue driven".  Even as poorly run as the CO GOP is, they aren't going to say "because we can, libs!".   But whether the fake front issue is fracking, or abotion, or taxes or ag-gag bills; winning both recalls will just encourage them to always recall.  Especially after a presidential election.

/What will really happen is they will win in the Springs, lose in Pueblo and then scream about liberal voter fraud in Pueblo despite a Republican publicly casting a fraudulent vote in the Springs and republican talk show hosts encouraging Republicans to do the same.
 
2013-09-10 12:08:45 PM  

wwwade: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Issue-driven recalls are not why we have recalls.  They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here. That's what general elections are for.


Before you turn around and bite me, let me say I agree with you 100%. However you shouldn't have said the highlighted portion in a potential gun thread. The gun nuts are going to flame you and scream that the law violates their 2nd amendment rights, even though it does no such thing.
 
2013-09-10 12:09:03 PM  

FarkedOver: I possibly would like to watch the right wingers heads explode


Lenin advocating a revoultion and would support having an armed millitia?  I don't think that would make anyone's head explode.

Sounds pretty much like SOP at overthrowing a current system and enacting your own.
 
2013-09-10 12:09:45 PM  

FarkedOver: "Yet now of all times, at the present [censored] moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the [censored], or that there would "not be enough" arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is "not enough" to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia"

I made a couple of censors here because I want people to guess who said this.  I possibly would like to watch the right wingers heads explode


why would their head explode?
 
2013-09-10 12:10:02 PM  
I, for one, am shocked that the Derp Brigade may not have thought through their cunning plan.
 
2013-09-10 12:10:32 PM  

BSABSVR: Right.


Honest question - do you think that they would have started this recall without thier yes votes on these gun bills?

My bet is on no.
 
2013-09-10 12:12:09 PM  

Mrbogey: why would their head explode?


Out of disgust for agreeing hardly with Lenin.  Or maybe even Marx:

"The arming of the whole proletariat with rifles, guns, and ammunition should be carried out at once [and] the workers must ... organize themselves into an independent guard, with their own chiefs and general staff. ... [The aim is] that the bourgeois democratic Government not only immediately loses all backing among the workers, but from the commencement finds itself under the supervision and threats of authorities behind whom stands the entire mass of the working class. ...As soon as the new Government is established they will commence to fight the workers.  In order that this party (i.e., the democrats) whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the first hour of victory, should be frustrated in its nefarious work, it is necessary to organize and arm the proletariat."
 
2013-09-10 12:12:59 PM  

HeadLever: wwwade: They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here.

[citation needed]

That may part of recall elections, but it is not the only circumstance in which a recall can be enacted.    Remeber Scott Walker?


I thought the Walker recall was stupid, too.  Also, my first statement was from a practical point of view, not a legal one.  Recalling someone because they won't repave your road may be allowed, but it isn't right.
 
2013-09-10 12:13:39 PM  

cranked: Pharque-it: HotWingConspiracy: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 298x380]


What part of "shall not be infringed" do you libs not understand? Vote YES to recall.

If you are part of an organized militia.....

Wow, knee-jerk reflexes in action!


Yeah, like a recall election.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:19 PM  

BSABSVR: What will really happen is they will win in the Springs, lose in Pueblo and then scream about liberal voter fraud in Pueblo despite a Republican publicly casting a fraudulent vote in the Springs and republican talk show hosts encouraging Republicans to do the same


there was nothing fraudulent about it. It followed the law. Don't blame Republicans because Dems enacted a crappy law.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:42 PM  

Mrbogey: FarkedOver: "Yet now of all times, at the present [censored] moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the [censored], or that there would "not be enough" arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is "not enough" to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia"

I made a couple of censors here because I want people to guess who said this.  I possibly would like to watch the right wingers heads explode

why would their head explode?


Onepossibility: In a "hold my beer, watch this moment" they accidentally discharged ahollow point round into their skull? I know it's not technically exploding, but it gets messy enough to bemistaken for one.
 
2013-09-10 12:16:53 PM  

ongbok: wwwade: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Issue-driven recalls are not why we have recalls.  They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here. That's what general elections are for.

Before you turn around and bite me, let me say I agree with you 100%. However you shouldn't have said the highlighted portion in a potential gun thread. The gun nuts are going to flame you and scream that the law violates their 2nd amendment rights, even though it does no such thing.


I know.  I'm bored and I got a big ol' poke stick I haven't used in a while.
 
2013-09-10 12:19:14 PM  

HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.


Look I went through this in Wisconsin there is a remedy for when a guy doesn't vote the way you want, its called an regular election. A recall is and should only be used for when criminal conduct is committed and the  politician refuses to leave gracefully. I am a flaming democrat and I would love to see Scott Walker thrown into a chipper, but the union driven recalls just gave him more power. I sincerely hope the NRA chokes on its own tiny tiny dingus on this recall.
 
2013-09-10 12:21:12 PM  

wwwade: I thought the Walker recall was stupid, too.  Also, my first statement was from a practical point of view, not a legal one.  Recalling someone because they won't repave your road may be allowed, but it isn't right.


Your argument has gone from stating a purpose (X is for Y) to morphing into a statment of your opinion on the matter.  Stating opinions is fine, but don't expect that everyone should agree with it.
 
2013-09-10 12:21:45 PM  

ongbok: wwwade: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Issue-driven recalls are not why we have recalls.  They are for removing someone who has broken the law or has broken their oath to the constitution, neither of which has happened here. That's what general elections are for.

Before you turn around and bite me, let me say I agree with you 100%. However you shouldn't have said the highlighted portion in a potential gun thread. The gun nuts are going to flame you and scream that the law violates their 2nd amendment rights, even though it does no such thing.


If these laws are ruled unconstitutional by the only body have authority over such determinations (Supreme Court) then I say go for the recall. Just because some moran thinks something is unconstitutional doesn't make it so.
 
2013-09-10 12:22:00 PM  

HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.


Yes. It's an issue of, "I didn't get my way, so I'll use every legal means available to stop governing from occurring."

So another day in the life of the American right wing.
 
2013-09-10 12:22:24 PM  
Mrbogey: why would their head explode? I am incapable of Googling!

/shakes head sadly
 
2013-09-10 12:22:47 PM  

onzmadi: Look I went through this in Wisconsin there is a remedy for when a guy doesn't vote the way you want, its called an regular election. A recall is and should only be used for when criminal conduct is committed and the  politician refuses to leave gracefully.


Then work to change the law.
 
2013-09-10 12:23:41 PM  

ManateeGag: recall elections are stupid.  your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.  try agian with a better candidate next year.


That seems to be working awfully well in North Carolina
 
2013-09-10 12:24:19 PM  

verbaltoxin: Yes. It's an issue of, "I didn't get my way, so I'll use every legal means available to stop governing from occurring."

So another day in the life of the American right left wing.


Just as applicable in the Scott Walker recall then?
 
2013-09-10 12:26:03 PM  

Kittypie070: Mrbogey: why would their head explode? I am incapable of Googling!

/shakes head sadly


Ok, point out why right wingers should be outraged by something Lenin said during a revoution?  I am seeing no connection as to why I anyone should be outraged here.
 
2013-09-10 12:27:04 PM  

onzmadi: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Look I went through this in Wisconsin there is a remedy for when a guy doesn't vote the way you want, its called an regular election. A recall is and should only be used for when criminal conduct is committed and the  politician refuses to leave gracefully. I am a flaming democrat and I would love to see Scott Walker thrown into a chipper, but the union driven recalls just gave him more power. I sincerely hope the NRA chokes on its own tiny tiny dingus on this recall.


Bullsh**, getting elected is not cartablance to act as a dictator for 2-4 years.  If you piss off over 50% of your constituents to the point that they want to fire you, you deserve to be out of a job
 
2013-09-10 12:27:11 PM  
<Talking Point #11>
 
2013-09-10 12:36:10 PM  
FTFA: "They took a bill that came in from an out-of-state organization on gun control and they rammed it through without any debate, without any discussion, without any amendments from law enforcement," Colorado Republican Party Chairman Ryan Call told The Washington Post.

Because, as we all know, no Republican would ever take a bill from an out of state organization and then try to ram it through without debate, discussion or amendments.

/again with the ramming?
//seriously, what's with all the ramming??
///ramming.
 
2013-09-10 12:37:23 PM  

HeadLever: Kittypie070: Mrbogey: why would their head explode? I am incapable of Googling!

/shakes head sadly

Ok, point out why right wingers should be outraged by something Lenin said during a revoution?  I am seeing no connection as to why I anyone should be outraged here.


even in non-revolutionary situations Marxists call for universal arming of the population.
 
2013-09-10 12:38:43 PM  

wwwade: Embarrassed to live in Whinybabyville, CO.  The representative you elected did something you didn't like? Unless it's a felony, vote them out in the next election.


I lean left and have no issues with the measure passing, but I don't see this as a bad thing. The system is working as it was designed to, if they make one decision that the people they represent disagree with why are you opposed to yanking them so they can't make more?
 
2013-09-10 12:39:49 PM  
mimg.ugo.com
The Governator laughs at all of you people complaining about recall elections.
 
2013-09-10 12:45:38 PM  

ShadowKamui: onzmadi: HeadLever: ManateeGag: your guy didn't win? so what, cry me a farking river and live with it.

Actually, this is an issue driven recall centered on the gun legislation they passed.  This would not be an issue if they would have voted 'no' on this spring's gun bills.

Look I went through this in Wisconsin there is a remedy for when a guy doesn't vote the way you want, its called an regular election. A recall is and should only be used for when criminal conduct is committed and the  politician refuses to leave gracefully. I am a flaming democrat and I would love to see Scott Walker thrown into a chipper, but the union driven recalls just gave him more power. I sincerely hope the NRA chokes on its own tiny tiny dingus on this recall.

Bullsh**, getting elected is not cartablance to act as a dictator for 2-4 years.  If you piss off over 50% of your constituents to the point that they want to fire you, you deserve to be out of a job


I guess one could always ask the military to kick the offending party out of office.  Maybe they could instate someone who the people see as in opposition to the original douchebag.  That's how democracy works, right?

/It's not what recalls are *meant* for.
//Spirit vs Letter and all that, HeadLever's completely ridiculous posturing aside.
 
2013-09-10 12:49:05 PM  

HeadLever: onzmadi: Look I went through this in Wisconsin there is a remedy for when a guy doesn't vote the way you want, its called an regular election. A recall is and should only be used for when criminal conduct is committed and the  politician refuses to leave gracefully.

Then work to change the law.


Why, I think the lesson was learned by the people that matter. Besides the GOP won't change the law since they would want to do the exact same thing if the situations was reversed (They tried numerous times to recall Jim Doyle and failed to even move it forward)
At this point I am just sitting back watching the Republican overreach and inevitably fail and then hope that the Wisdems have their crap together to strike when the iron is hot.
 
2013-09-10 12:51:01 PM  

BeesNuts: /It's not what recalls are *meant* for.


[citation needed]
 
2013-09-10 12:53:33 PM  

HeadLever: Kittypie070: Mrbogey: why would their head explode? I am incapable of Googling!

/shakes head sadly

Ok, point out why right wingers should be outraged by something Lenin said during a revoution?  I am seeing no connection as to why I anyone should be outraged here.


Because, like, right wingers, man. Lenin also believed the sky was blue, much like right wingers. And that makes right wingers hypocrites because two groups can never agree on anything at all ever. Or something. I dunno, who the hell knows what fark libs are on about these days.
 
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