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(Huffington Post)   Meghan McCain says Republicans are "not all crazy rednecks," leaves open the very real possibility that crazy rednecks are all Republicans   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 103
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2013-09-10 11:22:58 AM  
I don't believe that they are. I've known sane and rational Republicans. Unfortunately, they're the first to admit that they've lost control of their party and that it's the anti-science, anti-reason, anti-reality crowd that's at the helm, right now, and that the part is spiraling deeper and deeper into the derp zone.

At this point, I seriously expect to see the party fracture into two parties before this is over.
 
2013-09-10 11:26:41 AM  
over in 1
 
2013-09-10 11:27:35 AM  
Much like her father, Meghan McCain is just a giant boob.
 
2013-09-10 11:27:36 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I don't believe that they are. I've known sane and rational Republicans. Unfortunately, they're the first to admit that they've lost control of their party and that it's the anti-science, anti-reason, anti-reality crowd that's at the helm, right now, and that the part is spiraling deeper and deeper into the derp zone.

At this point, I seriously expect to see the party fracture into two parties before this is over.


Tell them we have a party for them. The Democratic Party.
 
2013-09-10 11:27:55 AM  
Meghan McCain says Republicans are "not all crazy rednecks," leaves open the very real possibility that crazy rednecks are all Republicans

West Virginia hasn't elected a Republican as senator since the 1950's, so there are at least some crazy rednecks who aren't Republican.
 
2013-09-10 11:28:13 AM  
Subby pretty much nailed it. Reminds me of Bill Maher's comment, "Not all Republicans are racist, but if you're racist, you're probably a Republican".
 
2013-09-10 11:28:58 AM  
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2013-09-10 11:29:56 AM  
But a lot of them are and they are a driving force behind the positions your party takes on issues.
 
2013-09-10 11:31:15 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I don't believe that they are. I've known sane and rational Republicans. Unfortunately, they're the first to admit that they've lost control of their party and that it's the anti-science, anti-reason, anti-reality crowd that's at the helm, right now, and that the part is spiraling deeper and deeper into the derp zone.

At this point, I seriously expect to see the party fracture into two parties before this is over.


Not until they've left the US as damaged goods.
 
2013-09-10 11:32:43 AM  

llortcM_yllort: Meghan McCain says Republicans are "not all crazy rednecks," leaves open the very real possibility that crazy rednecks are all Republicans

West Virginia hasn't elected a Republican as senator since the 1950's, so there are at least some crazy rednecks who aren't Republican.


Um.  http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/states/west-virginia
 
2013-09-10 11:33:38 AM  
Is that like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs?
 
2013-09-10 11:34:21 AM  
That MIGHT be true (I'm still withholding my final decision), but there are enough of them to make Crazy Redneck the de facto mascot.  So, good luck with getting rid of that.
 
2013-09-10 11:37:03 AM  
To be fair, I have some rural family members who point out there is a difference between Redneck and Hick, (Simillar to the Chris Rock bit of how there are 'black people and I-can't-continue-this-bit'), though the two are often lumped together.
 
2013-09-10 11:43:53 AM  
To paraphrase Bill Maher (and whomever else said it): "Not all republicans are racist, but chances are if you're racist... you're republican."
 
2013-09-10 11:44:42 AM  
I completely believe her.

It's never crossed my mind to refer to Mitt Romney, Sheldon Adelson, or the Koch brothers as "crazy rednecks." There's plenty of more appropriate nasty things to call them.
 
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2013-09-10 11:45:56 AM  
Sure, there are corrrupt wealthy people too.  And at least one witch.
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2013-09-10 11:46:36 AM  

Felgraf: To be fair, I have some rural family members who point out there is a difference between Redneck and Hick, (Simillar to the Chris Rock bit of how there are 'black people and I-can't-continue-this-bit'), though the two are often lumped together.


Definitely a difference.  Some kid on a farm in Iowa showing a pig for 4-H....hick.  Some mouth breathing Alabama trailer trash....Redneck.
 
2013-09-10 11:46:46 AM  
"People within the Republican Party don't have to listen to me. But, at some point, they will have to listen to facts, to trends in this country. We're losing young voters, women voters and minority voters. ... I just think it's a recipe for failure. ... The extreme right wing of the party is still running everything."

Then why don't you and the rest of the moderates that aren't crazy, understand what the word compromise means, and are willing to work with the other party, create your own party.

You have lots of people that know what they're doing to properly build a new political engine, lots of big names I suspect that would make it work; And just like how Lincoln and his cohorts left the Whigs and formed the Republican Party, you too could do the same.

Consider the GOP name as tarnished, leave it to the insane asylum, they'll self destruct on their own as they marginalize themselves more and more, and you and your new party could successfully do what a lot of Americans have been wanting and create a viable "3rd Party" and promote your values, ditch the racism, sexism, anti-homophobic stances you have, and push the agendas that matter in your eyes, let the racist GOP have their racist old white people votes, and as that dries up more and more, they'll exist less and less and it'll be you and the Democrats jockeying again, but able to work together without dealing with the extremists in your party.
 
2013-09-10 11:47:06 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Much like her father, Meghan McCain is just a giant boob.


I saw what you did there.
 
2013-09-10 11:47:15 AM  
That's true. Some Republicans are sociopathic businessmen.
 
2013-09-10 11:48:41 AM  

brandent: Felgraf: To be fair, I have some rural family members who point out there is a difference between Redneck and Hick, (Simillar to the Chris Rock bit of how there are 'black people and I-can't-continue-this-bit'), though the two are often lumped together.

Definitely a difference.  Some kid on a farm in Iowa showing a pig for 4-H....hick.  Some mouth breathing Alabama trailer trash....Redneck.


Interestingly, they defined it in the opposite direction, but yes, same difference.
 
2013-09-10 11:49:34 AM  
Crazy rednecks just pawns in Mongo's game.
 
2013-09-10 11:51:43 AM  

tangentman: llortcM_yllort: Meghan McCain says Republicans are "not all crazy rednecks," leaves open the very real possibility that crazy rednecks are all Republicans

West Virginia hasn't elected a Republican as senator since the 1950's, so there are at least some crazy rednecks who aren't Republican.

Um.  http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/states/west-virginia


I wasn't aware Mitt Romney was a senator.
 
2013-09-10 11:51:51 AM  
All the republicans I know fall into 4 general categories.

The crazy true believers that consist of birthers, the "libs libs libs" types.

The people who don't know jack about politics but have some sort of connection to the right wing because of patriotism or general ideas about values.

The few remaining small government/libertarian types who insist that the republican platform is closer to their ideal.

The people who know a bit about politics, won't defend and don't like most of what the party stands for, but just doesn't like "democrats" because of vague reasons.
 
2013-09-10 11:51:54 AM  
My father-in-law is a bit of a crazy redneck...and liberal as all hell.

Good guy.  Fun to drink with.
 
2013-09-10 11:55:57 AM  
Crazy rednecks, bible thumpers, rich sociopaths, Randian pseudo-economists, crazy militia-type libertarians, less crazy small government-type libertarians, and moderates wondering where it all went wrong.
 
2013-09-10 11:59:45 AM  

KellyX: Then why don't you and the rest of the moderates that aren't crazy, understand what the word compromise means, and are willing to work with the other party, create your own party.


Meghan McCain is trying, but she's more like an outsider than you'd think. Sure dad can make a few calls, but she's 28, a grown woman who can act and think for herself. She's also fairly liberal, as far as the GOP goes, so she's marginalized as a RINO by the majority of her party that isn't AT ALL liberal (and how DARE you even insinuate that! I'mma go kill a rare salamander just to be sure I'm not turning libberese...)

There are plenty of Republicans saying that they need to stop being the party of various types of crazy, but none of them have been elected to anything noteworthy (or been in positions where they can actually do some good).
 
2013-09-10 12:00:31 PM  
I keep thinking that, eventually, Republicans will wake up and realize that constantly moving further and further to the right is just destructive and only makes things worse. But communists never realized that, so I don't know why we should expect our own extremists to be any different. Opposite ends of the spectrum, but equally insane.
 
2013-09-10 12:01:42 PM  
Za boobeez, za boobeez, za boobeez!
 
2013-09-10 12:07:08 PM  

imontheinternet: Crazy rednecks, bible thumpers, rich sociopaths, Randian pseudo-economists, crazy militia-type libertarians, less crazy small government-type libertarians, and moderates wondering where it all went wrong.


Forgot half-wit pseudo intellectuals who have a poor grasp of what makes a fact valid and will believe whatever right-wing sophistry gets barfed on them. And folks who think the Republican Party is "manly" or some crap.
 
2013-09-10 12:07:36 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
There are plenty of Republicans saying that they need to stop being the party of various types of crazy, but none of them have been elected to anything noteworthy (or been in positions where they can actually do some good).

Or they get primaried by whackjobs.
www.wbez.orgYou mad, bro?

www.texasobserver.org
 
2013-09-10 12:09:13 PM  

nocturnal001: All the republicans I know fall into 4 general categories.

The crazy true believers that consist of birthers, the "libs libs libs" types.

The people who don't know jack about politics but have some sort of connection to the right wing because of patriotism or general ideas about values.

The few remaining small government/libertarian types who insist that the republican platform is closer to their ideal.

The people who know a bit about politics, won't defend and don't like most of what the party stands for, but just doesn't like "democrats" because of vague reasons.


Pretty good list.  For the people I know it's a mix of 2 and 4.
 
2013-09-10 12:09:50 PM  
Does Meghan hold a position in the GOP or any political office?  Why are we supposed to give a shiat what she has to say?
 
2013-09-10 12:10:47 PM  
Meghan McCain working hard to be as irrelevant as Palin.
 
2013-09-10 12:11:46 PM  
GOP- "You don't have to be a crazy redneck to join, but it helps!"
 
2013-09-10 12:13:29 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I don't believe that they are. I've known sane and rational Republicans. Unfortunately, they're the first to admit that they've lost control of their party and that it's the anti-science, anti-reason, anti-reality crowd that's at the helm, right now, and that the part is spiraling deeper and deeper into the derp zone.

At this point, I seriously expect to see the party fracture into two parties before this is over.


They already did. The Tea Party is basically leeching off the business interests in the GOP so it doesn't have to find its own money.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:05 PM  

imontheinternet: Crazy rednecks, bible thumpers, rich sociopaths, Randian pseudo-economists, crazy militia-type libertarians, less crazy small government-type libertarians, and moderates wondering where it all went wrong.


They all think he's a righteous dude.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:53 PM  

IrateShadow: Why are we supposed to give a shiat what she has to say?


Cause she has a reality TV show and is famous...

DUH!!!!
 
2013-09-10 12:15:22 PM  
Republicans are all crazy rednecks, and people okay with letting crazy rednecks call all of the shots.
 
2013-09-10 12:17:27 PM  
Crazy rednecks are the useful idiots big business and the ultra-wealthy exploit in every election cycle.
 
2013-09-10 12:20:40 PM  
To be fair, she's at least trying to voice some reason, even though I believe the only reason she's a Republican is because of her dad.
 
2013-09-10 12:20:54 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Is that like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs?


All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

It's sad how often I've had to rely on that example to explain logic to someone.  I'm gonna switch to fingers/thumbs from here on out, thanks.  Especially since I've had someone try to argue a square wasn't a rectangle because a rectangle had to have two sets of sides with different lengths.

/sigh
 
2013-09-10 12:22:28 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: To be fair, she's at least trying to voice some reason, even though I believe the only reason she's a Republican is because of her dad.


eeeehhhh.... if she's reason we're f--ked.

Couldn't bring myself to watch any of it but read a recap yesterday of the first two episodes.  The author said the privacy discussion was interesting somewhat (although it was in spite of McCain, whose argument was that she didn't like privacy).  And the next episode (iirc, feminism) was wretched.

I'll pass, thanks.
 
2013-09-10 12:23:01 PM  

llortcM_yllort: tangentman: llortcM_yllort: Meghan McCain says Republicans are "not all crazy rednecks," leaves open the very real possibility that crazy rednecks are all Republicans

West Virginia hasn't elected a Republican as senator since the 1950's, so there are at least some crazy rednecks who aren't Republican.

Um.  http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/states/west-virginia

I wasn't aware Mitt Romney was a senator.


Who said he was? Stating that WV isn't full of crazy rednecks because they vote for Democratic senators while voting for Romney 2 to 1 doesn't hold water. But then, you're not really dumb, you're just trolling me, right?
 
2013-09-10 12:24:22 PM  
Crimeny, She is right about one thing though. There are plenty of young people that don't by into the government controlling everything, but just cannot stomach the GOP's social policies. We really need about  5 parties in the country. Libertarian, Christian Conservative, Moderate, Liberal humanist, and Socialist.
 
2013-09-10 12:26:53 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Almost Everybody Poops: To be fair, she's at least trying to voice some reason, even though I believe the only reason she's a Republican is because of her dad.

eeeehhhh.... if she's reason we're f--ked.

Couldn't bring myself to watch any of it but read a recap yesterday of the first two episodes.  The author said the privacy discussion was interesting somewhat (although it was in spite of McCain, whose argument was that she didn't like privacy).  And the next episode (iirc, feminism) was wretched.

I'll pass, thanks.


Never meant to say she's the voice of reason, just that she's at least voicing concern about the direction of the GOP, not that anyone will listen to her.
 
2013-09-10 12:26:53 PM  

nocturnal001: All the republicans I know fall into 4 general categories.

The crazy true believers that consist of birthers, the "libs libs libs" types.

The people who don't know jack about politics but have some sort of connection to the right wing because of patriotism or general ideas about values.

The few remaining small government/libertarian types who insist that the republican platform is closer to their ideal.

The people who know a bit about politics, won't defend and don't like most of what the party stands for, but just doesn't like "democrats" because of vague reasons.


I'm a suburban blue stater, and the Republicans I know (who outnumber me by a large margin) are white collar and educated.  Their reasons for hating Obama are not patently clown-shoe crazy, like birther or truther nonsense, or hysterical homophobia or open racism, but they're not vague either.  Things like:

1. Obamacare will, without doubt, destroy the country.  In fact, it already has.
2. Climate change is not only false, it's a liberal conspiracy to increase the power of government (and meanwhile, if you're concerned about government snooping, you must have something to hide).
3. The wealthy have been almost destroyed by Obama's punitive tax policies.  This somehow applies to them.
4. The budget problem is rooted in welfare, food stamps and unemployment.
5. Low-flow toilets, compact lightbulbs--when will the interfering in our lives ever end?
6. Benghazi was a scandal, the numerous attacks on embassies under Bush were not.
7. Syria will be WWIII, but Iraq...the surge worked!  This magic incantation closes discussion.
8. Afghanistan is Obama's War.  (This from the same "Obama cut and ran from Iraq" crowd.)
9. Keystone XL will create ten million jobs.
10. Obama has openly stated that he wants to seize all guns.  The reason is obvious!
11. The number of people on unemployment increased dramatically under Obama, and using my reality-blocking sunglasses, I can see that this is purely because Obama used Free Stuff to lure lazy people to vote for him.  This is in total contrast to the tax cuts Bush handed out during a war because We're Taxed Enough Already.  Hell, I should just quit working and go on welfare!  I'd be better off!

So really it's not that big of a jump from their positions to "libs libs libs."  A lot of talk is devoted to the obviously crazy base, and rightly so, but the truth is that there is another very large chunk of people whose stated positions are just plain irrational, with one common denominator, "if Obama says it or does it, it's wrong."  You can entirely eliminate the base from the equation and you would move the party from certifiably insane to merely mentally unstable.
 
2013-09-10 12:27:04 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Meghan McCain working hard to be as irrelevant as Palin.


More like the opposite but ending up as effective as Palin is now despite her efforts.
 
2013-09-10 12:27:34 PM  

Felgraf: To be fair, I have some rural family members who point out there is a difference between Redneck and Hick, (Simillar to the Chris Rock bit of how there are 'black people and I-can't-continue-this-bit'), though the two are often lumped together.


No love for Hillbillies?
 
2013-09-10 12:28:39 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: To be fair, she's at least trying to voice some reason, even though I believe the only reason she's a Republican is because of her dad.


It is kind of sad to see the GOP not appreciate how her efforts would really benefit the party if they'd listen.

She really ought to defect to the Dems and be done with it.
 
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