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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman's wife Shellie's 911 call to Lake Mary, Florida police. After saying he threatened him with a gun, she admits she never saw a gun   (examiner.com) divider line 60
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2013-09-10 07:35:52 AM
5 votes:

RoyBatty: Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.


Especially when you consider that if he gets put under a restraining order, he's not allowed to possess a firearm under federal law.  And that puts him in much more danger than the typical person, because there is a significant (though small) fraction of the population that wants him dead, because "Justice for Trayvon".

If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.
2013-09-10 04:51:09 AM
5 votes:
Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.
2013-09-10 09:21:53 AM
4 votes:
So, she recanted in order to save him and his needs.  Not abused spouse behavior at all.
2013-09-10 08:32:12 AM
4 votes:
Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.
2013-09-10 08:19:13 AM
4 votes:

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

No, he can't.

Unless, of course, she has him pinned to the ground and is bashing his head into the concrete.  Then of course he could shoot her, because the law in every farkin' state in the Union allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself under those circumstances.  Even in the minority of so-called "duty to retreat" states.


So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)
2013-09-10 10:13:32 AM
3 votes:

Magorn: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.

Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.


Ah, yes, another Self-Defense Creationist, who won't look at the actual evidence that Zimmerman acted in self-defense under the law as it applies everywhere in the United States because you just *KNOW*, in your deepest heart of hearts, that Zimmerman a vile racist who killed a defenseless 12 year old cherub who only wanted to get home.

Look, the entire resources of the State of Florida, backed up by the US Justice Department, went looking for evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter, not to mention hate crimes (which is what the feds were looking at), and they came up with *NOTHING*.

Go watch the closing arguments of the trial again.  The defense put on an evidence-laden final argument.  The prosecution put on an emotion-laden final argument, largely devoid of any actual evidence.  It was pure character assassination, and the jury didn't buy it.

Neither should you.

Let it farkin' go.   It makes you look like an intellectually stunted person to keep hammering on this.  Admit you were wrong (to just yourself, if that's what it takes to preserve your pride), and move on.

Remember that the only reason this became a national story is because the Martin family hired a publicist who shopped the story, with blatant distortions of the facts, to the national media.  And you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
2013-09-10 09:53:27 AM
3 votes:
"Gun was not shown" =/= "there was no gun."

Zimmerman's own attorney has already stated that he did have a gun but that it wasn't shown.

FTA: "Later, during an interview on CNN, O'Mara admitted Zimmerman did have a gun on him, but 'He never took the weapon out.'"

I'm also pretty darn sure one can imply that I'm going to shoot you without ever showing you a gun.
2013-09-10 10:02:03 AM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.

Let me just get this clear. On every single "somebody has shot something" thread - you are on here defending the shooter. So... you are asking me to give it a rest?


Actually, that's not true.

It was true for the Zimmerman case, because it was patently obvious to anyone who actually *LOOKED* at the evidence before making their mind up that it was a pretty straight-up case of self-defense.

And before you say anything, I was skeptical of both sides, reserving judgement until the facts came in.   This is my Boobies on the subject:

dittybopper  [TotalFark]                                  2012-03-21 02:22:09 PM  
vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.
Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)

Sounds to me like he says "f*cking punks".

/Haven't formed an opinion yet
//The "facts" being presented are still to variable, this thread being a perfect example.

///Guy does seem like a major Mall Ninja though.


Notice that I was influenced by media coverage a bit, thinking of Zimmerman as a "Mall Ninja" (think Paul Blart, Mall Cop with a gun).

But as all the alleged evidence on the Martin side was shown to be either completely false, or misleading, while all the actual confirmed evidence and eyewitness testimony substantially supported (or at the very worst, didn't refute) Zimmerman's story, then yeah, I made up my mind.

People like you are the creationists of self-defense cases.  You don't see the actual evidence because you have internalized it as a matter of faith that George Zimmerman committed murder, and that he couldn't possibly have had the right to defend himself against Martin.

And no, I don't reflexively defend the shooters in every "somebody shot something" thread.  I've called people idiots when it was plain they were doing something unsafe (like those target practicing idiots in Pennsylvania, shooting guns without an adequate backstop), and I've called actual murderers what they are, murderers (like the guy who killed several people at a town hall meeting over a land dispute(.
2013-09-10 09:58:06 AM
2 votes:
frepnog:

Zimmerman is either a criminal mastermind that gets away with multiple crimes, or a simple man that keeps getting shiat dumped in his lap.

Exactly.  Like most things in life, this is clearly a True Dichotomy.  It is one thing or it is the other thing.  It couldn't possibly be a combination of things or some other third thing altogether.

I took Logic in the Army.  I'm not dumb.
2013-09-10 09:39:16 AM
2 votes:

Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.


It's only a matter of time, Dude is going to snap at some point, and sooner rather than later.
2013-09-10 09:30:58 AM
2 votes:
I knew it.  It's been pretty obvious that there is a massive, long-running conspiracy to persecute this man.

July 2005:  Arrested for "resisting officer with violence" in an underage drinking bust.  George heroically had those charges waived in exchange for alcohol education.

August 2005:  A restraining order is filed against George by a woman alleging domestic violence.  She also alleged "molestation", but it's obvious from the facts of the case that the only thing molested was The Truth.

March 2012:  After being assaulted by known purple drank abuser Trarymart "THUG" Martin, George triumphantly puts-down the perp like the ruthless savage he is, only to be charged with a crime.  Once again, George defended his good name and was roundly pronounced "not-guilty".

September 2013:  Shellie "Judas" Martin, an obvious gold-digger, harlot, strumpet, and woman, lures George to her home with the intention of framing him for domestic violence.  George, being the good soul he is, arrives with the expectation of helping Shellie pass her GED exam - of which she is on her 4th attempt.  What George didn't count on was entrapment by both her and the parents that indoctrinated with poor values and a craven disregard for justice.

When will it end?
2013-09-10 09:22:41 AM
2 votes:
Doesn't matter whether she saw the gun. As far as the court is concerned, it only matters that she was threatened.
2013-09-10 09:22:35 AM
2 votes:

nekom: hinten:
He really knows how to surround himself with all the right people and situations.

Really vindicates my opinion of him.  While I believe the verdict was proper, the guy's a real schmuck all around.


To paraphrase: He's not guilty, he's just an asshole.
2013-09-10 08:31:14 AM
2 votes:
"threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.
2013-09-10 08:06:44 AM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.


No, he can't.

Unless, of course, she has him pinned to the ground and is bashing his head into the concrete.  Then of course he could shoot her, because the law in every farkin' state in the Union allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself under those circumstances.  Even in the minority of so-called "duty to retreat" states.
2013-09-10 07:42:24 AM
2 votes:
hinten:
He really knows how to surround himself with all the right people and situations.

Really vindicates my opinion of him.  While I believe the verdict was proper, the guy's a real schmuck all around.
2013-09-10 02:57:20 PM
1 votes:

whatsupchuck: redmid17: Jesus dude. If you're going to be hitting the bong this early, just let the rest of us know.

Is that what you're imagining again?  Well, bless your heart...


Let's get this straight, no search at all during a domestic violence call featuring an armed, angry person who was on trial for murder less than two months ago?

According to police, George was not in his car when they arrived but was standing in the yard.  They say he was also very cooperative and allowed police to search his person.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/lake-mary-police- ar e-now-calling-into-question-several-statements-shellie-zimmerman-made- to-911

I don't have to imagine anything. I can read and understand why police might take the time to look for potential evidence in a crime involving someone of his public image.

To put this less elegantly, I'm pretty sure you're a moron or a troll, though it's not out of the question to replace the or with an and.
2013-09-10 02:32:25 PM
1 votes:

whatsupchuck: redmid17: whatsupchuck: steamingpile: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman - gun-incident-florida-trayvon-martin/2788443/

"Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun..."

This is not evidence of a search.  You have asserted that they searched Zimmerman, his car and his bodyguard, facts not in evidence and not in any news article I've read.  I would be happy to believe it if somebody, anybody could provide a reliable source for this information.  Until then I will stand by my original comment and suffer through everyone else attempting to retry the Travon Martin case and/or biatching about their horrible ex.

So you maintain that police responding to a domestic violence situation, where gun violence was reported and alleged to have been committed by someone who just got through with a murder trial, would not search for a gun?

Funny, I've been on this planet long enough to realize that there is often a difference between a) what I imagine should have happened in a given situation and b) what actually happened.  This is why people like police, and scientists, and newspaper reporters go to so much trouble to dig up these things called "facts" which more objectively describe actual events then the imaginings in your head.

Good lord...


Jesus dude. If you're going to be hitting the bong this early, just let the rest of us know.
2013-09-10 12:29:22 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Phinn: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.

Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.

I did some deeper reading - the CDC report actually disagrees with nearly everything you said earlier.

Facts are facts, sure - but that doesn't mean everything YOU say is fact. Clearly you were straight up wrong, at least if you're willing to say the CDC report is accurate.

You did read the link i sent right?

Then clearly..it says exactly what my initial statement was: women initiate far more domestic violence than men.

Yeah, but in post-Clinton America, men deserve it. They can be attacked with impunity and then jailed (or at best detained) for making a woman hit him. For exame, if he fails to meet her needs, such as making enough money for her use, or not finding her sufficiently attractive to remain sexually loyal to her. For that, men get what they deserve, until they learn their place.

And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.

As an added bonus, all female accusations against men are now presumed tru ...

Wow. You are seriously about two steps away from being found dancing around wearing the flayed skin of the random women who are your victims.  Get help, and do it now.


As someone who enjoys a colorful retort, I appreciate the vivid imagery, I really do.

But to the extent that you're serious shows just how perverse contemporary American culture has become on the subject of gender and the law -- anyone who has a negative opinion about the relatively recent changes in family and criminal law is one step away from being a serial killer.

That's the famous Progressive sense of rationality and open-mindedness on display.
2013-09-10 12:27:24 PM
1 votes:

frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: Researchers who are trying to get to the truth normally share information. Just give your source and allow us to read it. Seems pretty simple in the internet age. Unless...there is no source and you're making shiat up.

yep, I am just making it all up.  That is why TO THIS DAY Zimmerman sits on death row, awaiting his judgement.

Oh wait.  I am not the one in this case that tried to create racial controversy, lied about what actually happened to the public, doctored tapes and telephone GPS data, pushed a case with no evidence.....


Don't forget about bypassing a grand jury and willfully withholding evidence from the defense. Who needs professional ethics when we've got a lynch mob to placate?
2013-09-10 12:25:57 PM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Researchers who are trying to get to the truth normally share information. Just give your source and allow us to read it. Seems pretty simple in the internet age. Unless...there is no source and you're making shiat up.


yep, I am just making it all up.  That is why TO THIS DAY Zimmerman sits on death row, awaiting his judgement.

Oh wait.  I am not the one in this case that tried to create racial controversy, lied about what actually happened to the public, doctored tapes and telephone GPS data, pushed a case with no evidence.....
2013-09-10 12:19:11 PM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: All we have learned in regards to zimmerman is that when MSNBC reports on him, the truth is opposite of what they say. They are determined to make George a Bmillionaire in his lawsuit.


Fixed that for you

The case has already surpassed "millionaire status" I would say he shouldn't settle for anything less than a 100 million dollars, his attorney should be seeking 1 billion dollars.

Before the shooting of Trayvon Martin, no body knew who George Zimmerman was. MSNBC (and others) turned this into racial crime, which it was not. They even called Zimmerman "white" and showed pictures of a 12 year old "victim". MSNBC went as far as edit the 911 tape to make it look like Zimmerman was using racial slurs that are not fit for television. That is messed up, Zimmerman and his lawyers should teach MSNBC and the media a lesson, a billion dollars would be about what a case like this should be worth. The guy will never be able to live life without the fear of someone hunting him down and for what? Defending himself against a thug who was going to kill him. He can thank MSNBC for that and they should pay dearly.
2013-09-10 11:37:31 AM
1 votes:

someonelse: Phinn: And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.

Oh, he's a keeper, ladies.



The phrase "reciprocal obligations" helps identify the people, like yourself, with reality problems.

Marriages entail obligations.  For example, courts vigorously enforce the (overwhelmingly male) obligation to pay money to the woman, inasmuch as "economic support" is one of the primary obligations of marriage. Failure to pay such court-ordered payments leads a lot of men directly to a kind of modern Debtor's Prison that hasn't been around since the early 1800s.

What are some of the corresponding, reciprocal obligations of marriage, in your view?
2013-09-10 11:35:53 AM
1 votes:

someonelse: MycroftHolmes: frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.

In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.

I love how we are supposed to be outraged at the possibility that Zimmerman has been unfairly accused of domestic violence. But we are supposed to accept without question the accusation that Martin was "casing houses."


well...  trayvon liked to steal, and nothing whatever has been produced to show that Zimmerman lied about anything that night - in fact, the police, who have no reason to cover for zimmerman, indicated that Zimmerman was being truthful.  when zimmerman reported that trayvon was "wandering around, looking in houses, he looks like he is on drugs" and everything we find out about Trayvon upholds that, well, what can you do?  thug is as thug does.
2013-09-10 11:30:55 AM
1 votes:

frepnog: casing houses


Just so we're clear, how exactly are you defining "casing houses"? Because it kinda sounds like you are defining it as "looking at houses while black."
2013-09-10 10:40:40 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: cookiefleck: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Oh, anecdotal evidence. Well by all means, please continue.

I'm not racist but I look at it as a "what if it were me?" type of situation. If someone were to attack me, would I want to be able to defend myself?

I don't understand your response. There is nothing said in this interaction about race. We're talking about domestic violence.


you said so up thread... you are taking Zimmerman' s past and giving his ex wife the benefit of the doubt because of his history. You also said upthread that trayvon's previous record shouldn't matter.
2013-09-10 10:16:31 AM
1 votes:
frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
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2013-09-10 10:14:53 AM
1 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.


Get a load of this guy thinking that self-admitted stats mean anything at all.
2013-09-10 10:11:58 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.


George would be proud of your loyalty. He's totally gonna sleep with you.
2013-09-10 10:08:14 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.

I guess his lie didn't count?

"I was looking for an address" *camera turns to show house with clearly visible address*

Opps, there's another lie. That leaves the score at 2 - 2.

"He reached for the gun, I mean, he saw the gun, I mean, he covered my mouth and nose and beat me in the head and choked me and said some movie line about how I was going to die..."

Yeah, i think we might be dealing with two liars.

/Both sides are bad, so vote Shellie

it was dark as doom out there.

i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.
2013-09-10 10:00:59 AM
1 votes:

supayoda: "Gun was not shown" =/= "there was no gun."

Zimmerman's own attorney has already stated that he did have a gun but that it wasn't shown.

FTA: "Later, during an interview on CNN, O'Mara admitted Zimmerman did have a gun on him, but 'He never took the weapon out.'"

I'm also pretty darn sure one can imply that I'm going to shoot you without ever showing you a gun.


Don't bother. Zim has already been canonized as the saint of downtrodden, henpecked, and imaginarily persecuted men everywhere. The faithful are already making a pilgrimage to Florida to pinch his chubby, beatified cheeks.
2013-09-10 09:58:32 AM
1 votes:

MFAWG: What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.


Let me know what's illegal about the above so far please.
2013-09-10 09:55:51 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.

based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....


Zimmerman is either a criminal mastermind that gets away with multiple crimes, or a simple man that keeps getting shiat dumped in his lap.

since he has yet to be actually convicted of any crimes and is obviously no criminal mastermind, what the fark do you think, dude?
2013-09-10 09:54:45 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.

based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....


Good thing our system doesn't convict based on charges but evidence. Imagine how happy prosecutors and dictators would be to have your desired level of evidence, being charged equals conviction.
2013-09-10 09:51:03 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.


Killing someone is legalized in certain situations, war or armed conflicts typically its legal; self defense is another time it's legal.

They determined he didn't kill Martin illegally, that he did it in self defense.

Get over it already.
2013-09-10 09:50:06 AM
1 votes:

doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.


More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.
2013-09-10 09:49:41 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so


Why you gotta be hatin' on police officers?
2013-09-10 09:49:37 AM
1 votes:
Only knuckle-dragging misogynists believe that women sometimes make bogus allegations against men.
2013-09-10 09:47:11 AM
1 votes:

frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.


Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...
2013-09-10 09:46:40 AM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.

You left out, "...and no convictions..."


Trayvon Martin was never convicted of anything but that didn't stop some of the pro Zimmerman folks from making him out to be a major league criminal who was out buying drug supplies the night of his death.
2013-09-10 09:45:46 AM
1 votes:

MFAWG: Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.

It's only a matter of time, Dude is going to snap at some point, and sooner rather than later.


Being railroaded for two years for politics will do that. Being called racist based on no actual facts and counter to actual facts by mainstream medua will do that. Being threatened every day of your life despite innocence will do that.

This man had his life ruined by the media, race victimization advocates, and even the president despite the facts and a finding of the jury.

Anybody would snap.
2013-09-10 09:44:30 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.


Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.
2013-09-10 09:42:50 AM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.

You left out, "...and no convictions..."


Just like Casey Anthony, Robert Blake and Lizzie Borden. Sorry not stating the obvious.
2013-09-10 09:39:51 AM
1 votes:
For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.
2013-09-10 09:36:02 AM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.


Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.
2013-09-10 09:29:21 AM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

No, he can't.

Unless, of course, she has him pinned to the ground and is bashing his head into the concrete.  Then of course he could shoot her, because the law in every farkin' state in the Union allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself under those circumstances.  Even in the minority of so-called "duty to retreat" states.

So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)


I see the Justice for Trayvon crowd is doubling down on stupid. How many months do you still need to understand the law?
2013-09-10 09:24:12 AM
1 votes:
One does not have to be in current possession of a firearm to commit a crime of threatening a person with use of a firearm.

"biatch, if you don't shut your mouth I'm ganna shoot you  like I shot that kid"
2013-09-10 09:23:46 AM
1 votes:
Odds of her writting a book? Something like "The True Story of George Zimmerman" or something similar?

I'm putting it at 1:3
2013-09-10 09:22:03 AM
1 votes:
Firs of all, women named Shellie aren't to be trusted. Secondly, just look at her. She oozes low class white trash all day long.
2013-09-10 09:21:39 AM
1 votes:
♪♫♪ Stand by your man
Until the verdict's rendered... ♪♫♪
2013-09-10 09:16:42 AM
1 votes:

unlikely: "threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.


Thing is, though, threatening with a gun (like by saying "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," for instance) is a felony under Florida law. It's called Aggravated Assault and carries a maximum 5-year prison sentence (as opposed to Simple Assault, which is when you threaten someone but don't threaten to use deadly force, such as by saying something like "I'mma slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo")

I have to double-check the details on the law (and am currently too lazy to do it right this decade), but I'm fairly certain that the victim has to reasonably believe that the threat is in earnest and that the aggressor is willing and able to carry out the threat -- if someone tells you they're gonna slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo, it doesn't count as assault if the verbal exchange is over PSN while playing Grand Theft Auto online but does count as assault if the conversation is face-to-face and that person is carrying (or could reasonably be believed to be carrying) a giant purple dildo twice the size of a hoagie. Likewise, if someone tells you "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," it's not aggravated assault if it's via the headset while playing GTA but is if the conversation is in person -- and, as you sad, doubly so if the person threatening you is George Zimmerman.

Of course, there's no way he'd be convicted in criminal court on just hearsay. She would have had to have recorded him actually saying those words (or words to that effect) in order to meet the "reasonable doubt" standard, otherwise it's just he-said-she-said in a divorce trial.
2013-09-10 09:14:53 AM
1 votes:
More imbibe? Holy Fark I don't know if I can survive this man. I'd like to outlive him. He seems like a real asshole.
2013-09-10 09:05:04 AM
1 votes:
Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.
2013-09-10 08:53:26 AM
1 votes:
♪ ♫
We love you Zimmerman
Oh yes we do
We love you Zimmerman
And we'll be true
When people question your motivations and call you a dangerous nutjob and insinuate that maybe you're a horrible person to be around
We're blue
Oh Georgie, we love you
♪ ♫
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 08:18:42 AM
1 votes:
Because People in power are Stupid:
Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

Well, legally anyway.
2013-09-10 08:11:03 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: How many times is this guy going to be accused of a crime with a gun only to be cleared when the evidence is examined? I'm guessing 3. These things happen in threes.


It's a shame how he has been powerless and had no part in these situations he keeps finding himself in where this dumb shiat happens.
2013-09-10 07:57:18 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.



Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.
2013-09-10 07:06:01 AM
1 votes:
The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.
2013-09-10 06:31:38 AM
1 votes:
JUSTICE 4 SHELLIE
2013-09-10 05:16:39 AM
1 votes:
How many times is this guy going to be accused of a crime with a gun only to be cleared when the evidence is examined? I'm guessing 3. These things happen in threes.
 
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