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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman's wife Shellie's 911 call to Lake Mary, Florida police. After saying he threatened him with a gun, she admits she never saw a gun   (examiner.com ) divider line
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2013-09-10 10:40:14 PM  

dittybopper: Notice that I was influenced by media coverage a bit, thinking of Zimmerman as a "Mall Ninja" (think Paul Blart, Mall Cop with a gun).

But as all the alleged evidence on the Martin side was shown to be either completely false, or misleading, while all the actual confirmed evidence and eyewitness testimony substantially supported (or at the very worst, didn't refute) Zimmerman's story, then yeah, I made up my mind.


i guess what all us little people want to know. That is, people who don't stroke off to images of George Zimmerman or make references to d-list movies is: why do you love him so much? I'm serious. Is it that you have some sort of gay fascination with the thought of Georgy-boy "penetrating" a ferocious black man with his phallic gun? Or is it some sort of jealousy ie that that you stroke off every time you pick up a gun with the thought that you too -can declare yourself a neighborhood vigilante and kill some teenager?

Maybe you even follow teens around hoping that one of them will start something...

Well whatever it is, I'm sure you and your little sock-puppet minions spend plenty of time on website forums telling others your opinions and making good sure that nobody else dare impugn the good name of George Zimmerman.
 
2013-09-10 10:57:06 PM  

LasersHurt: Nutsac_Jim: Why does one need to back up "casing houses"   It was on the police call.   Are we to assume he was playing hopscotch?   It is just as valid as any other witness testimony to the cops.   Why not assert that Martin was actually on the ground and the rest is just racist lies?

Because that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. If you cannot prove he was "casing houses," he wasn't. Much how George did not commit murder, because it was not proven, right?


People will give extra weight to play by play statements on the phone to the cops.
This is not the same thing as killing your wife and then calling the cops and saying a one armed man did it.

According to you, it is not proven that Martin was on top of zimmerman because we simply have this play by play phone calls to the cops and not a photo.
 
2013-09-10 11:01:46 PM  

gimmegimme: steamingpile: dbrunker: Bf+: "Lake Mary Police Department spokesman Zach Hudson said Tuesday that the iPad captured video of the dispute, but the mobile device was in pieces and needed to be examined in a lab."

As I said, "It's easy for us to jump to conclusions before we have all the facts...".

I can tell you whats on the video, she's starts taping him on the property because she's trying to provoke him into a reaction and it works since he slaps it out of her hands saying get that shiat out of my face. She's vindictive and sounds pissy after she discovers his new GF in the truck at the end of her phone call. I would bet she's known about her for a while and is trying to get him to fark himself over, he needs someone to just tell him to stay the fark away from her.

The whole altercation could have been avoided if he had just gone home.  Instead, he had to act all tough and circle back.  He was just defending himself against her aggressive attack.


Well.. he did get back to his property and say back the fark up or get some pain.   The same thing Trayvon should have done.
 
2013-09-10 11:04:56 PM  

gimmegimme: Try harder, you can get serious responses with a little effort.

I don't get it...these arguments were hailed as a justification for shooting an unarmed kid only a few months ago.  What changed?


Nobody has made such an assertion, except for you.   Everyone else said that it ok to shoot somone when they suckerpunch you jump on top, and refuse to get off despite tapping out by crying for help.

Martin... he just didnt know when to quit.
 
2013-09-10 11:06:30 PM  

spiderpaz: PunGent: spiderpaz: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

That's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.

No, they don't.  Look at something besides the study that moron posted.  Anything.  Seriously.  Prisons have always had more men in them than women, and that statistic WAY predates any modern "PC bullshiat" the misogynists here would have you blame.

Oh my God you're right ... there would have to be like - a double standard or something when it came to charging women and men with domestic violence for both things to be true.


Nope.
 
2013-09-10 11:10:11 PM  
Phinn:

Still no citations, eh?

Speaking of the Unreality Bubble :)
 
2013-09-10 11:12:38 PM  

PunGent: hat's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.

No, they don't.  Look at something besides the study that moron posted.  Anything.  Seriously.  Prisons have always had more men in them than women, and that statistic WAY predates any modern "PC bullshiat" the misogynists here would have you blame.


Just like "blacks get prosecuted more than whites".. prisons will have more men, simply because more women will call the cops.   Unless someone does a Lorena Bobbitt on you, as a man, you pretty much have to suck it up.
 
2013-09-11 05:40:59 AM  

LasersHurt: neomunk: LasersHurt: frepnog: But you and a select group don' t care about the facts.

The irony here is delicious. You've been caught unable to defend your assertions, but WE'RE the ones who don't care about facts.

You're not getting that you're comparing apples and oranges.  The reports are not counting the same types of activities.

I explained that, you ignored it.

You explained nothing of the sort, not to me. All you said is that his claims were fine. And they were not. The CDC, who he kept referring to for support, disagrees with him.


No, you arrogant fark, it doesn't.  You're incorrect and your continuing failure to even consider that fact is making you look like a egotistical fool.

Just sayin.  You can keep saying he's wrong all you want, but you've yet to show it.  All you've shown is that once you believe something you'll drag yourself down to the level of disingenuous ass without once going back and seeing if what someone else is saying is true.  You've already been told that the two studies are comparing different levels of violence, but that doesn't support your point, so you've ignored it.  The only person that makes look bad is you.

Oh, and by the way, nice job pretending that a study specifically about different types of abuse of women is a full study detailing all domestic violence toward both sexes, yet somehow TRUMPS a study that IS about all types of domestic violence, that's TOTALLY not disingenuous, right?
 
2013-09-11 07:35:58 AM  

neomunk: LasersHurt: neomunk: LasersHurt: frepnog: But you and a select group don' t care about the facts.

The irony here is delicious. You've been caught unable to defend your assertions, but WE'RE the ones who don't care about facts.

You're not getting that you're comparing apples and oranges.  The reports are not counting the same types of activities.

I explained that, you ignored it.

You explained nothing of the sort, not to me. All you said is that his claims were fine. And they were not. The CDC, who he kept referring to for support, disagrees with him.

No, you arrogant fark, it doesn't.  You're incorrect and your continuing failure to even consider that fact is making you look like a egotistical fool.

Just sayin.  You can keep saying he's wrong all you want, but you've yet to show it.  All you've shown is that once you believe something you'll drag yourself down to the level of disingenuous ass without once going back and seeing if what someone else is saying is true.  You've already been told that the two studies are comparing different levels of violence, but that doesn't support your point, so you've ignored it.  The only person that makes look bad is you.

Oh, and by the way, nice job pretending that a study specifically about different types of abuse of women is a full study detailing all domestic violence toward both sexes, yet somehow TRUMPS a study that IS about all types of domestic violence, that's TOTALLY not disingenuous, right?


Let's try it this way - I posted the link earlier, as did others. I also posted quotes from the CDC piece. I DID provide evidence.

You, on the other hand, keep yelling that I am wrong and calling me names. YOU have not proven a damned thing. I DID show that he's wrong - you keep saying "nuh uh."

YOU put up or shut up.
 
2013-09-11 08:55:48 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: PunGent: hat's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.

No, they don't.  Look at something besides the study that moron posted.  Anything.  Seriously.  Prisons have always had more men in them than women, and that statistic WAY predates any modern "PC bullshiat" the misogynists here would have you blame.

Just like "blacks get prosecuted more than whites".. prisons will have more men, simply because more women will call the cops.   Unless someone does a Lorena Bobbitt on you, as a man, you pretty much have to suck it up.


Because the Duluth Model virtually guarantees that even if the man is the victim, he's the one going to jail. There are damn few resources for abused men, and if you've ever tried to help an abused man, it becomes very apparent that few people believe men can be abused and even fewer give a shiat about helping one.
 
2013-09-11 08:59:31 AM  

PunGent: Phinn:

Still no citations, eh?

Speaking of the Unreality Bubble :)


I ignored you because explaining why you're wrong takes time.

You fail to comprehend the simple fact that my argument is a legal one and therefore doesn't depend on statistics. Your demand that I provide a "citation" is a straw man -- that I am required to prove that "women beat up men just as much," or some such nonsense, in order to show that the VAWA is unjust.

It doesn't matter if the statistics were to show that men initiate batteries of women 10 times more often than the reverse. (They don't.) The LAW is (and must be) that the statistical behavior of other people is not evidence of guilt.

Statistics may be grounds for suspicion, but before the government can legitimately take forceful action against someone (arrest, removal from the home, etc.), there must be particularized evidence amounting to probable cause.

What you probably don't see in your daily life is that the US government bribes local law enforcement to arrest men accused of domestic violence. Imagine if it gave grants to local law enforcement expressly for the purpose of arresting black people, and justified it on the grounds that black males under age 25 are statistically more likely commit crimes. (Which they are.)

That kind of system is expressly prejudiced against a politically disfavored target. Modern domestic violence law, as well as police practices and policies, have effectively declared that men are to be presumed guilty, on the basis of nothing more than a woman's accusation, which (as Shellie Zimmerman demonstrates) can be false.
 
2013-09-11 11:43:08 AM  

LasersHurt: neomunk: LasersHurt: neomunk: LasersHurt: frepnog: But you and a select group don' t care about the facts.

The irony here is delicious. You've been caught unable to defend your assertions, but WE'RE the ones who don't care about facts.

You're not getting that you're comparing apples and oranges.  The reports are not counting the same types of activities.

I explained that, you ignored it.

You explained nothing of the sort, not to me. All you said is that his claims were fine. And they were not. The CDC, who he kept referring to for support, disagrees with him.

No, you arrogant fark, it doesn't.  You're incorrect and your continuing failure to even consider that fact is making you look like a egotistical fool.

Just sayin.  You can keep saying he's wrong all you want, but you've yet to show it.  All you've shown is that once you believe something you'll drag yourself down to the level of disingenuous ass without once going back and seeing if what someone else is saying is true.  You've already been told that the two studies are comparing different levels of violence, but that doesn't support your point, so you've ignored it.  The only person that makes look bad is you.

Oh, and by the way, nice job pretending that a study specifically about different types of abuse of women is a full study detailing all domestic violence toward both sexes, yet somehow TRUMPS a study that IS about all types of domestic violence, that's TOTALLY not disingenuous, right?

Let's try it this way - I posted the link earlier, as did others. I also posted quotes from the CDC piece. I DID provide evidence.

You, on the other hand, keep yelling that I am wrong and calling me names. YOU have not proven a damned thing. I DID show that he's wrong - you keep saying "nuh uh."

YOU put up or shut up.


The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about. It doesn't need to be reposted.   If you want to be right, you'll scroll up and finally actually read the thing.

Otherwise, continue with your "NO, U!" routine all you want, but when you post something stupid and obviously wrong, don't be suprised when I keep calling you out on it.

A very simple fact has been explained to you several times now, and you keep just shaking your head certain that you couldn't have made a mistake.  How very teabaggy of you.

Last time, and only because your heart is usually in the right place (unless your ego is hanging out, taking up all the good seats)  the report linked to WAY above counts ALL domestic violence, the report you linked to counts SOME TYPES of domestic violence (and even some things that aren't violence).  The study HE sited was about domestic violence in general, the study YOU cited was about violence against women specifically.  Do you not see that MAYBE, just farking MAYBE there could be some difference between them?

Now, take off the disingenuous egotrip hat and put on your thinking cap buck-o, you can do it!
 
2013-09-11 11:52:15 AM  

neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.


Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.
 
2013-09-11 11:58:37 AM  

LasersHurt: neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.

Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.


just get a room, you two.
 
2013-09-11 12:02:14 PM  

frepnog: LasersHurt: neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.

Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.

just get a room, you two.


I'm only now realizing he might have me confused with someone else. He called me "teabaggy" ffs.
 
2013-09-11 12:36:53 PM  

LasersHurt: neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.

Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.


Here's the link he posted that I've been talking about, note the URL text:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/2010_report.html

Oh, and I called you teabaggy for repeatedly saying that he didn't link to a cdc report and for completely ignoring the meat of my text (where I point out your error clearly) instead choosing to focus on the one "mistake" you were pretty sure I was making.  You know, lying via willful ignorance due to your ego telling you you can't possibly have made a mistake...  that's what I call "teabaggy" now.

BTW, I reread his link 3 times in order to make sure that I wasn't making a mistake.  That's what people who don't believe in their own perfection do, check on themselves before asserting something over and over again in the face of credible denial.
 
2013-09-11 12:42:50 PM  

neomunk: LasersHurt: neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.

Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.

Here's the link he posted that I've been talking about, note the URL text:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/2010_report.html

Oh, and I called you teabaggy for repeatedly saying that he didn't link to a cdc report and for completely ignoring the meat of my text (where I point out your error clearly) instead choosing to focus on the one "mistake" you were pretty sure I was making.  You know, lying via willful ignorance due to your ego telling you you can't possibly have made a mistake...  that's what I call "teabaggy" now.

BTW, I reread his link 3 times in order to make sure that I wasn't making a mistake.  That's what people who don't believe in their own perfection do, check on themselves before asserting something over and over again in the face of credible denial.


That's exactly the report I am referring to as well.

Wait, what "he" do you think I am disagreeing with?
 
2013-09-11 01:32:23 PM  

LasersHurt: neomunk: LasersHurt: neomunk: The link he posted in this thread way up there will suffice, as it's the CDC report that I'm talking about.

Now I think you're confused, he didn't post the CDC report, he posted some analysis from another website.

Here's the link he posted that I've been talking about, note the URL text:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/2010_report.html

Oh, and I called you teabaggy for repeatedly saying that he didn't link to a cdc report and for completely ignoring the meat of my text (where I point out your error clearly) instead choosing to focus on the one "mistake" you were pretty sure I was making.  You know, lying via willful ignorance due to your ego telling you you can't possibly have made a mistake...  that's what I call "teabaggy" now.

BTW, I reread his link 3 times in order to make sure that I wasn't making a mistake.  That's what people who don't believe in their own perfection do, check on themselves before asserting something over and over again in the face of credible denial.

That's exactly the report I am referring to as well.

Wait, what "he" do you think I am disagreeing with?


You know what, I think I am mixed up.  I apologize.  In fact, not only am I mixed up here, I did the same thing on another thread elsewhere too, so sorry about that.  I could have kept myself more inline by posting more details and less invective, my mistake.

The only half assed excuse I'll offer up is that I've been on inordinate amount of pain medication the past few days.  I should follow drunk posting rules even though I don't exactly feel drunk.

Sorry.
(you CAN sound like an asshole (just like me!) sometimes though, just sayin)
 
2013-09-11 01:41:09 PM  

Mistymtnhop: frepnog: Diogenes: frepnog: dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american

Well aren't you just a peach.

*ignored*

well i simply don't know how I will be able to sleep tonight.

I'm sure you can find plenty of sheets.


All white.
 
2013-09-11 01:44:21 PM  

frepnog: someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.


Those results are from Conservative web sites that are not known for being truthful.
 
2013-09-11 01:50:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why is Zimmerman even in FL still? He should be in Montana or some shiat


If you feel so highly about him you can offer him room and board.
 
2013-09-11 01:52:29 PM  

Latinwolf: frepnog: someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.

Those results are from Conservative web sites that are not known for being truthful.


it's ok, tray tray was just an innocent babe preyed upon by a ruthless white hispanic.
 
2013-09-11 01:56:10 PM  

frepnog: LasersHurt: frepnog: Defending someone vehemently of your own race based on nothing but race is INCREDIBLY racist.

What about dismissing someone's entire argument on the basis that he is black, so therefore he's obviously just defending another black guy?

Is THAT incredibly racist?

/yes it is, other Barry, yes it is

that is not what I have done, and if you paid any attention at all you would know that.  If Drox had a leg to stand on it would be worth discussing but he ignores evidence and fact based on the color of Trayvon's skin.


Of course you don't see the irony of you making that claim.
 
2013-09-11 02:05:22 PM  

Latinwolf: frepnog: LasersHurt: frepnog: Defending someone vehemently of your own race based on nothing but race is INCREDIBLY racist.

What about dismissing someone's entire argument on the basis that he is black, so therefore he's obviously just defending another black guy?

Is THAT incredibly racist?

/yes it is, other Barry, yes it is

that is not what I have done, and if you paid any attention at all you would know that.  If Drox had a leg to stand on it would be worth discussing but he ignores evidence and fact based on the color of Trayvon's skin.

Of course you don't see the irony of you making that claim.


because there is no irony.  i don't defend anyone based on nothing but the color of their skin.  to do so is racist, and I am no racist, try as you might to paint me as one.  i think Zim was a dumbass that should have never left his truck.  that does not remove the fact that Trayvon was in fact, a thug and acted as such, and attacked an armed man that he was already racially slurring.

none of that has dick-all to do with race.  you don't need to be white hispanic to be a dumb ass and you certainly don't need to be african american to be a thug.

it is nice to pretend that trayvon was innocent, that he was just out minding his own business and ended up dead, but the truth is that he was out acting suspicious, was in fact a thug, did in fact attack an armed man, was in fact high at the time, did in fact go all the way home and return to beat Zim up, was in exile from school for thug like activity, did in fact steal, did in fact use the lean concoction and was in fact responsible for his own death.

don't go around attacking people.  you might end up dead.
 
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