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2013-09-10 11:32:15 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
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well, my friend, continuing to assert that Zimmerman MUST have committed a crime in direct oposition to all available evidence is certainly not painting you in the best light.  Also, the fact that you continue this assertion while also being African-American points to your own racism.  Also, calling others racist for NOT defending Trayvon, once again, paints YOU as the racist.  Dude, you seem like a very intelligent human.  I have read hundreds of your posts.  I do not in fact believe you to be a fool OR ignorant.  I simply see you post things that read as ignorant and in defiance of fact.  That means that you are either a gigantic troll, or you are simply seriously racist despite your intelligence and will defend any African-American regardless of fact.  Which is it?


I'll answer your question when you answer mine. Are you a pineapple or a candle? FYI, just because you give someone two dumbass choices, it does ...


nice deflection, and about what I expected.
 
2013-09-10 11:33:11 AM  
Did the court determine that Trayvon was casing houses? If not, those who are saying "get over it" because Zimmerman was found not guilty should really stop stating the "casing houses" thing as fact. Unless, of course, they are complete, unrepentant hypocrites.
 
2013-09-10 11:34:21 AM  
How is it that, so far, no one has managed to turn the corner on some random non-sequitur and feel the need to post some hot babe pics .. the ones with the tiny panties and maybe some tan lines. And don't forget to include the beer.

That'd be great.
 
2013-09-10 11:34:45 AM  

someonelse: Did the court determine that Trayvon was casing houses? If not, those who are saying "get over it" because Zimmerman was found not guilty should really stop stating the "casing houses" thing as fact. Unless, of course, they are complete, unrepentant hypocrites.


The court also did not determine that he bought a drink and candy so he could make super-drug-sauce out of it, yet they've been running with that too.
 
2013-09-10 11:35:53 AM  

someonelse: MycroftHolmes: frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.

In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.

I love how we are supposed to be outraged at the possibility that Zimmerman has been unfairly accused of domestic violence. But we are supposed to accept without question the accusation that Martin was "casing houses."


well...  trayvon liked to steal, and nothing whatever has been produced to show that Zimmerman lied about anything that night - in fact, the police, who have no reason to cover for zimmerman, indicated that Zimmerman was being truthful.  when zimmerman reported that trayvon was "wandering around, looking in houses, he looks like he is on drugs" and everything we find out about Trayvon upholds that, well, what can you do?  thug is as thug does.
 
2013-09-10 11:37:31 AM  

someonelse: Phinn: And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.

Oh, he's a keeper, ladies.



The phrase "reciprocal obligations" helps identify the people, like yourself, with reality problems.

Marriages entail obligations.  For example, courts vigorously enforce the (overwhelmingly male) obligation to pay money to the woman, inasmuch as "economic support" is one of the primary obligations of marriage. Failure to pay such court-ordered payments leads a lot of men directly to a kind of modern Debtor's Prison that hasn't been around since the early 1800s.

What are some of the corresponding, reciprocal obligations of marriage, in your view?
 
2013-09-10 11:39:00 AM  

QueenMamaBee: And as a police officer, I'm also sure you've seen many women who've had the crap beat out of them turn around and refuse to press charges against the douche. That's also a good possibility.


Very true...and very unfortunate.  However, the laws have changed so you don't need witnesses or the victim's account...just probable cause to make an arrest.

Did he threaten her?  Very likely.  Did he threaten her with a gun?  Maybe.  The point I was making is that none of us would be talking about it if he wasn't George Zimmerman.  The only reason this is news is because of the distaste many have for the trial verdict and so people can say, "See, I told you so!"

steamingpile: Except nobody had a mark on them and Zimmerman was outside the whole time yet no neighbors saw anything and the father didn't either. You're acting like this is just he said/she said when there were numerous witnesses this time.


Imma going to let the courts figure it out...

heili skrimsli: She also wants him to take out a permanent life insurance policy on himself listing her as the sole beneficiary as a part of the divorce settlement. That seems pretty close to her hoping he gets killed so she can cash in.


Wow.  I didn't know that part about the life insurance.  That's pretty cold.
 
2013-09-10 11:39:12 AM  
What casing houses may look like:
www.cupidinsider.com

www.thecultureconcept.com

www.zillowblog.com
 
2013-09-10 11:39:30 AM  
When are we gonna leave this poor guy alone?
 
2013-09-10 11:40:27 AM  

someonelse: What casing houses may look like:
[www.cupidinsider.com image 700x466]

[www.thecultureconcept.com image 720x436]

[www.zillowblog.com image 716x535]


That woman in the middle looks like she likes to steal. Thug.
 
2013-09-10 11:40:36 AM  

frepnog: Diogenes: frepnog: dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american

Well aren't you just a peach.

*ignored*

well i simply don't know how I will be able to sleep tonight.


I'm sure you can find plenty of sheets.
 
2013-09-10 11:40:53 AM  

frepnog: MycroftHolmes: frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.

In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.

it is not an unfounded fear when Zimmerman lived in an area already hit with multiple burglaries.  it is not an unfounded fear when you spot someone casing houses, call the police, and the person you spotted approaches you and acts in an intimidating manner.  It is not an unfounded fear when, while waiting for the police to arrive, you are attacked by the person you are reporting to the police.

dude, give it the fark up.  yeah, Trayvon had skittles and watermelon drink.  but, his own telephone and liver toxicology prove exactly what trayvon was going to do with those items, among the other interesting items that trayvon's own telephone proved - that he liked to fight, liked to do drugs, was looking for a gun, ect.

Travyon actually proved that Zimmerman's "fears" were very much accurate.


By definition, Zimms fears were unfounded.  Martin was not any of the things that he feared.  Is this really a difficult concept for you.

Yes, in all likelihood, Martin started the immediate physical altercation.  This, of course, after a man with a gun was stalking him, then getting out of his car to follow him.

That a 17 year old liked to fight, or talk smack about guns, or smoke a joint, all have zero to do with the fact that Martin was walking home from the store, doing nothing and engaging no one, when Zimms started the sequence of events.  Is this really hard to understand?
 
2013-09-10 11:40:55 AM  

LasersHurt: someonelse: Did the court determine that Trayvon was casing houses? If not, those who are saying "get over it" because Zimmerman was found not guilty should really stop stating the "casing houses" thing as fact. Unless, of course, they are complete, unrepentant hypocrites.

The court also did not determine that he bought a drink and candy so he could make super-drug-sauce out of it, yet they've been running with that too.


trayvon was not on trial.  however, many things about trayvon are known.  he liked to steal.  he liked to fight.  he liked to vandalize,  and he very much liked a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

seriously.  reality being reality, what can you do?  trayvon is very much the wrong poster child to use for gun violence.  trayvon is in fact the reason that guns are available to people so that they can defend themselves.

don't go around attacking people.  you might get farking shot.
 
2013-09-10 11:42:38 AM  

slayer199: heili skrimsli: She also wants him to take out a permanent life insurance policy on himself listing her as the sole beneficiary as a part of the divorce settlement. That seems pretty close to her hoping he gets killed so she can cash in.

Wow. I didn't know that part about the life insurance. That's pretty cold.



It's a natural expression of the view in modern American law of what men are for.  Farmers take out insurance on their livestock all the time.
 
2013-09-10 11:42:42 AM  

frepnog: well... trayvon liked to steal, and nothing whatever has been produced to show that Zimmerman lied about anything that night


Nothing has been produced to show that Martin lied about anything that night, either. And by your own logic, Zimmerman liked to follow people and assume they were criminals.
 
2013-09-10 11:43:21 AM  

This text is now purple: Magorn: Mandatory arrest policies are gender neutral which has been a major academic criticism of them. They have lead to soaring arrest rates of women in DV situations. One of the reasons for this it that police are required to make an arrest if they see signs of domestic violence. A slap or a punch, may not leave visible injuries until hours after the incident when the bruise develops, but a woman with long nails is likely to break the skin if she struggles with her partner (be it on offense or defense) leaving a very visible result. SInce cops have to arrest one of them, this can often lead to the arest of the women even when she was only defending herself.

Poor you, begin required to do your job and arrest the person who left evidence of battery. Your burden is Sissyphian.


Did you get the impression I'm a cop?   Reading IS Fundamental,  I've bolded the significant part of my post above.  But the fact reamins that if a man initiates a violent encounter by, say grabbing his wife and throwing her on a bed (as , say a prelude to rape) and she fights him off with clawed hands, she is going to show no visible signs of his attack but his face will be badly scratched and bleeding.  In this scenario, the attacker will be labelled the victim and the victim arrested and charged, which, I think we can all agree, is an injustice neh?
 
2013-09-10 11:43:30 AM  

Mistymtnhop: frepnog: Diogenes: frepnog: dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american

Well aren't you just a peach.

*ignored*

well i simply don't know how I will be able to sleep tonight.

I'm sure you can find plenty of sheets.


i'm sorry, is that a "you are a racist" remark?  nope.  sorry.  I am very much no racist.  i don't like violent people that attack others, race be damned.

find an example of anything racist I have said.  unless you are projecting your own racism onto me, nothing will you find.
 
2013-09-10 11:43:36 AM  

RoyBatty: Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.


maybe he put the gun back in the truck's glove box?  George himself says he never goes anywhere without it.
 
2013-09-10 11:45:12 AM  

Phinn: What are some of the corresponding, reciprocal obligations of marriage, in your view?


What a sweet talker you are. I'll bet the ladies are lined up around the block.
 
2013-09-10 11:45:54 AM  
+5 internets to whoever said ' Post Clinton America'.
 
2013-09-10 11:47:25 AM  

MycroftHolmes: That a 17 year old liked to fight, or talk smack about guns, or smoke a joint, all have zero to do with the fact that Martin was walking home from the store, doing nothing and engaging no one, when Zimms started the sequence of events. Is this really hard to understand?


is it also hard to understand that Zimmerman spotted Martin, called the cops, Martin realized he had been seen, tried to intimidate Zimmerman, ran home, and then came back to "whoop cracka ass"?

because that is what happened.  Did Zimmerman "start" the sequence?   Only if you admit that he "started it" by having the audacity to call the police to report a suspicious person in a neighborhood stricken with crime and burglaries.
 
2013-09-10 11:47:31 AM  

LasersHurt: MyRandomName: You can't teach him anything. Many have tried. He doubles down on his own ignorance every time.

I asked for a citation, he provided one and called me a name. The fact that you need to pile on is sad and childish.


I've seen you in many threads. His citation was in yesterdays thread which you participated in. You conveniently forgot it. You ask for citations without ever providing your own. My observation is based on your participation in threads. Not really childish.
 
2013-09-10 11:47:49 AM  

frepnog: AxemRed: It sounds like Zimmerman is just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to avoid trouble. I'm not saying that he starts the trouble or breaks any laws. He's just dumb and doesn't know when to walk away. He's going to continue to have a pretty crappy life if he doesn't learn how to choose his battles.

i can fully support this statement.  he proved himself inarguably a dumbass by touring the kel-tek factory and being all smiles in photos that should have never been seen by the public.



This, ladies and gentleman, is what I like to call the "balancing statement". Its what a guy does when he's trying to create the appearence of impartiality by choosing some small position to take a stand on that appears to be in contrast to the position of other group thinkers who believe Trayvon Martin is probably a thug because he's black.

"George Zimmerman definately should have killed that kid. i support that decision. But, he NEVER should have smiled about it during a tour of the gun factory. THAT is where I draw the line!"


/Pffft. GTFO of here
//*jerk off motion*
 
2013-09-10 11:49:23 AM  

someonelse: Nothing has been produced to show that Martin lied about anything that night, either. And by your own logic, Zimmerman liked to follow people and assume they were criminals.


Martin is dead because he attacked Zimmerman.  I'd say Zimmerman's fears, if he had any that night, were in fact realized by Martin's actions.
 
2013-09-10 11:50:54 AM  

MyRandomName: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: You can't teach him anything. Many have tried. He doubles down on his own ignorance every time.

I asked for a citation, he provided one and called me a name. The fact that you need to pile on is sad and childish.

I've seen you in many threads. His citation was in yesterdays thread which you participated in. You conveniently forgot it. You ask for citations without ever providing your own. My observation is based on your participation in threads. Not really childish.


His citation was incorrect, refuted by the very study he claimed supported it. In THIS thread.

And I have no idea what you're referring to about Yesterday, I didn't talk to him about this at all.
 
2013-09-10 11:50:56 AM  

Magorn: Nope. Go with me a minute. The Injuries show that an altercation took place, just as Martin's dead body did, but, suppose Zimmerman had died fnot Martin, could you have convicted Martin? You are Martin's defense lawyer, and you have a tap of this guy calling 911, ignoring police requests that he stay in the car, saying "he's not gonna get away this time" AND he's armed with a gun. Could you, as a hypthetical juror at Martin's trial conclude that the evidence proved HE initiated the encounter and was not acting in self-defense? The same standards of reasonable doubt that rightly have Zimmerman walking around as a free man today have to apply to those who accept the counter-narraive that somehow Taryvon started the fight that ended Zimmerman;s life.


Yes, Trayvon would have gone to prison for the rest of his life if Zimmerman died.

Stop being a moron just because you desperately need to believe a series of events that never happened.
 
2013-09-10 11:52:03 AM  

Phinn: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.

Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.

I did some deeper reading - the CDC report actually disagrees with nearly everything you said earlier.

Facts are facts, sure - but that doesn't mean everything YOU say is fact. Clearly you were straight up wrong, at least if you're willing to say the CDC report is accurate.

You did read the link i sent right?

Then clearly..it says exactly what my initial statement was: women initiate far more domestic violence than men.

Yeah, but in post-Clinton America, men deserve it. They can be attacked with impunity and then jailed (or at best detained) for making a woman hit him. For exame, if he fails to meet her needs, such as making enough money for her use, or not finding her sufficiently attractive to remain sexually loyal to her. For that, men get what they deserve, until they learn their place.

And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.

As an added bonus, all female accusations against men are now presumed tru ...


Wow. You are seriously about two steps away from being found dancing around wearing the flayed skin of the random women who are your victims.  Get help, and do it now.
 
2013-09-10 11:52:39 AM  

frepnog: trayvon was not on trial. however, many things about trayvon are known. he liked to steal. he liked to fight. he liked to vandalize, and he very much liked a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.


He "liked to steal"? Because of all the theft convictions on his record? How many were there again? And again, specifically, what evidence do you have that he was "casing houses"? And why, exactly, does his history mean he "liked to fight," but Zimmerman's history does not?
 
2013-09-10 11:52:40 AM  

frepnog: nice deflection, and about what I expected.



So sorry, I didn't respond to your serious question, "are you a troll or a racist" in a manner that satisfied you.
 
2013-09-10 11:55:24 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog: AxemRed: It sounds like Zimmerman is just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to avoid trouble. I'm not saying that he starts the trouble or breaks any laws. He's just dumb and doesn't know when to walk away. He's going to continue to have a pretty crappy life if he doesn't learn how to choose his battles.

i can fully support this statement.  he proved himself inarguably a dumbass by touring the kel-tek factory and being all smiles in photos that should have never been seen by the public.


This, ladies and gentleman, is what I like to call the "balancing statement". Its what a guy does when he's trying to create the appearence of impartiality by choosing some small position to take a stand on that appears to be in contrast to the position of other group thinkers who believe Trayvon Martin is probably a thug because he's black.

"George Zimmerman definately should have killed that kid. i support that decision. But, he NEVER should have smiled about it during a tour of the gun factory. THAT is where I draw the line!"


/Pffft. GTFO of here
//*jerk off motion*


so.  it was NOT in poor taste?  jeez, dude.  i don't think zimmerman is a hero.  i think he should have sat his ass in his truck.  regardless, he did nothing illegal or wrong that night, and yep, even with an acquittal touring the gun factory of the manufacturer of the weapon he defended himself with and taking photo ops and being all smiles is, well, kinda farked up and stupid.

I will just say it right out - Drox, you are very likely a racist, and that is sad in this day and age.  you may not be, but you are definitely wearing a racist's uniform.
 
2013-09-10 11:55:37 AM  

MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.

Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.

I didn't say anything about waving the gun. He did have the tactical flashlight with knurled grip and striking bezel as well.

If Martin had been defending himself, your example would be accurate.  There was no proof that's what he was doing.

Yes, it sucks M is dead, but courtrooms require evidence for convictions.

And here we have cognitave dissonance at it's finest. After being chased for 2 blocks by car and 30 yards on foot, there is no way the young man was defending himself.


Correct. There was absolutely, irrefutably, no way he was defending himself at the point he was shot. And that's all that matters.

No, being followed is not justification for assault. Not now, not ever. It will NEVER be justification to assault someone.

The correct course of action is to escape and call police if you suspect someone suspicious following you. If you do not adhere to the law here, you have ONLY yourself to blame when you are justifiably killed.
 
2013-09-10 11:56:30 AM  
To be fair, it's probably wise to just assume this guy is always armed and more than willing to use his gun.
 
2013-09-10 11:58:22 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Yes, in all likelihood, Martin started the immediate physical altercation. This, of course, after a man with a gun was stalking him, then getting out of his car to follow him.


First part is assault. Second part is not stalking.

That's all that matters. Now come to the correct conclusion.
 
2013-09-10 11:59:02 AM  

frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.


Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.
 
2013-09-10 12:00:27 PM  

Nabb1: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

Interesting interpretation of the law you've got there.


No worse than a judge and jury in Florida.
 
2013-09-10 12:00:34 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So, she recanted in order to save him and his needs.  Not abused spouse behavior at all.


It's easy for us to jump to conclusions before we have all the facts, especially when a story is written to our expectations.  Shellie Zimmerman claimed there was a gun involved, that her father had been punched in the face and that George had broken an iPad and stabbed it with a knife the called 911 in tears to tell them her story.  When the police arrived they found no broken iPads, no injuries on anyone and no guns.  After consulting with their lawyer (who was there that night) both Shellie and her father recanted the story and didn't press charges.  That's the way the story is now being reported by  USAToday and ABC News.

Shellie filed for divorce last week.  This isn't abused spouse behavior and this isn't an attempt to save George, this is an attempt by an ex- to get revenge.  Ask any man who's tried to get custody of his children only to be accused of being a sex offender and handed a restraining order, it happens all the time.
 
2013-09-10 12:01:17 PM  

Magorn: Mandatory arrest policies are gender neutral which has been a major academic criticism of them. They have lead to soaring arrest rates of women in DV situations. One of the reasons for this it that police are required to make an arrest if they see signs of domestic violence. A slap or a punch, may not leave visible injuries until hours after the incident when the bruise develops, but a woman with long nails is likely to break the skin if she struggles with her partner (be it on offense or defense) leaving a very visible result. SInce cops have to arrest one of them, this can often lead to the arest of the women even when she was only defending herself.


Had a buddy who experienced the joys of this maybe 7ish years ago.  He was a railroad engineer, came home from out of state to find police waiting for him.  Soon as he called saying he'd be home that evening she called the police claiming he had beaten the crap out of her.

When he got out of jail the next morning the house was empty.  Even the ice trays and the shelves in the fridge.  He was most upset over his fishing poles and the dog.
 
2013-09-10 12:01:37 PM  

frepnog: someonelse: Nothing has been produced to show that Martin lied about anything that night, either. And by your own logic, Zimmerman liked to follow people and assume they were criminals.

Martin is dead because he attacked Zimmerman.  I'd say Zimmerman's fears, if he had any that night, were in fact realized by Martin's actions.


Do you notice how when you are asked specific questions or challenged in any way, you revert to circular logic? "Martin is dead because of what I believe he did. What I believe he did must be true because Martin is dead."
 
2013-09-10 12:02:34 PM  

frepnog: MycroftHolmes: That a 17 year old liked to fight, or talk smack about guns, or smoke a joint, all have zero to do with the fact that Martin was walking home from the store, doing nothing and engaging no one, when Zimms started the sequence of events. Is this really hard to understand?

is it also hard to understand that Zimmerman spotted Martin, called the cops, Martin realized he had been seen, tried to intimidate Zimmerman, ran home, and then came back to "whoop cracka ass"?

because that is what happened.  Did Zimmerman "start" the sequence?   Only if you admit that he "started it" by having the audacity to call the police to report a suspicious person in a neighborhood stricken with crime and burglaries.


I thi....I mean you...ho.....

Wow, just wow.  You have built an entire fantasy scenario based on the idea that if the facts do not expressly disprove your fantasy, it must be true.

Why was Zimmerman armed?  Why was he out of his car?  Why did Martin, who had a very valid reason to be in the neighborhood, choose to confront Zimmerman?

Zimmerman did not just call the police.  He also followed him around, then got out his car, while armed, after the sequence of events had started.
 
2013-09-10 12:03:50 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog: nice deflection, and about what I expected.


So sorry, I didn't respond to your serious question, "are you a troll or a racist" in a manner that satisfied you.


actually you "answered" it like a seasoned politician, that is, in a long winded way that in no way addressed the issue.

as I said, it was about what I expected from ya.  don't get me wrong, you are at least consistent and I usually enjoy your bullshiat.  it is why I don't just ignore you.  honestly, i wouldn't mind hanging out with ya and drinking a cold one and just discussing the world.  i image you have some fascinating viewpoints.
 
2013-09-10 12:04:30 PM  

justtray: MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.

Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.

I didn't say anything about waving the gun. He did have the tactical flashlight with knurled grip and striking bezel as well.

If Martin had been defending himself, your example would be accurate.  There was no proof that's what he was doing.

Yes, it sucks M is dead, but courtrooms require evidence for convictions.

And here we have cognitave dissonance at it's finest. After being chased for 2 blocks by car and 30 yards on foot, there is no way the young man was defending himself.

Correct. There was absolutely, irrefutably, no way he was defending himself at the point he was shot. And that's all that matters.

No, being followed is not justification for assault. Not now, not ever. It will NEVER be justification to assault someone.

The correct course of action is to escape and call police if you suspect someone suspicious following you. If you do not adhere to the law here, you have ONLY yourself to blame when you are justifiably killed.


And we get back to the heart of the matter: under Florida law Messr. Martin has no duty to retreat and call anyone.
 
2013-09-10 12:06:44 PM  

someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.


google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.
 
2013-09-10 12:07:50 PM  

frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog: AxemRed: It sounds like Zimmerman is just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to avoid trouble. I'm not saying that he starts the trouble or breaks any laws. He's just dumb and doesn't know when to walk away. He's going to continue to have a pretty crappy life if he doesn't learn how to choose his battles.

i can fully support this statement.  he proved himself inarguably a dumbass by touring the kel-tek factory and being all smiles in photos that should have never been seen by the public.


This, ladies and gentleman, is what I like to call the "balancing statement". Its what a guy does when he's trying to create the appearence of impartiality by choosing some small position to take a stand on that appears to be in contrast to the position of other group thinkers who believe Trayvon Martin is probably a thug because he's black.

"George Zimmerman definately should have killed that kid. i support that decision. But, he NEVER should have smiled about it during a tour of the gun factory. THAT is where I draw the line!"


/Pffft. GTFO of here
//*jerk off motion*

so.  it was NOT in poor taste?  jeez, dude.  i don't think zimmerman is a hero.  i think he should have sat his ass in his truck.  regardless, he did nothing illegal or wrong that night, and yep, even with an acquittal touring the gun factory of the manufacturer of the weapon he defended himself with and taking photo ops and being all smiles is, well, kinda farked up and stupid.

I will just say it right out - Drox, you are very likely a racist, and that is sad in this day and age.  you may not be, but you are definitely wearing a racist's uniform.


Its funny how getting into a fight and shooting someone is only "gangsta" when its done "in the hood". None of you bigots ever asks who started the fight in a thread about a black man killing another black person. It just turns into a discussion about per capita crime statistics and about blacks having a predisposition to crime. THAT is the racism that I address in these threads. The old Fark double standard.

"Trayvon Martin ATTACKED Zimmerman and that is why he was shot"

When confronted with the fact that on one knows who threw the first punch:

"It doesn't matter who started it! Zimmerman thought a 17 year old was going to kill him by...suffocation, MMA-style pounding, using the sidewalk as a weapon, AND reaching for a gun, I mean, touching a gun, no, I mean reaching for a gun that was in a holser, in the dark, concealed behind the person he was straddling."

The contradictions are astounding. And the true measure of who is blindly defending someone can be determined when we look at who has to jump through the most mental hurdles to make their position logical. I know that's not me.
 
2013-09-10 12:07:57 PM  

MFAWG: And we get back to the heart of the matter: under Florida law Messr. Martin has no duty to retreat and call anyone.


but he did in fact "retreat" to his current home and then return to beat Zimmerman up.

reality is what it is, dude.
 
2013-09-10 12:08:06 PM  

frepnog: someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.


So you do not have such a source, or will not provide it?

That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence, and all. You clearly like to assume whatever you feel is correct about Martin; it would be nice if you ever tried to justify it with facts instead of "because duh I'm right."
 
2013-09-10 12:09:31 PM  

MycroftHolmes: ow, just wow. You have built an entire fantasy scenario based on the idea that if the facts do not expressly disprove your fantasy, it must be true.


heh.  I made up absolutely zero things.  it is all in witness statements and evidence.  I am not the one that needs to spin fantasy to suit my beliefs.  I just go by the actual events.
 
2013-09-10 12:11:30 PM  

frepnog: someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.


Again. Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

Show proof that he was "casing houses."

Show proof that he "liked to steal" and "liked to fight."

All things that you have claimed as fact.
 
2013-09-10 12:13:40 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "Trayvon Martin ATTACKED Zimmerman and that is why he was shot"

When confronted with the fact that on one knows who threw the first punch:

"It doesn't matter who started it! Zimmerman thought a 17 year old was going to kill him by...suffocation, MMA-style pounding, using the sidewalk as a weapon, AND reaching for a gun, I mean, touching a gun, no, I mean reaching for a gun that was in a holser, in the dark, concealed behind the person he was straddling."

The contradictions are astounding. And the true measure of who is blindly defending someone can be determined when we look at who has to jump through the most mental hurdles to make their position logical. I know that's not me.


you ignore the reality that it absolutely DOES NOT MATTER who threw the first punch (altho all evidence shows that Trayvon attacked).  Once trayvon knocked Zim down and mounted him and continued his assault, self defense was absolutely within Zim's rights, and is why he was acquitted.  I don't care if Tray went for the gun, whether he held his hands over Zim's mouth or other crap.  He knocked him down, mounted him and was beating him, and that is inarguable by anyone other than those that discount reality.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:34 PM  
Just run now, George!  In the opposite direction this time.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:42 PM  

someonelse: frepnog: someonelse: frepnog: a concoction made with codeine, skittles and soda - so much so that his liver showed damage from it.

Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

google "trayvon + live damage" and you will find all you need, my friend.  ignoring reality doesn't make reality go away.

Again. Show in the autopsy where it says he had liver damage from drug use. Or any credible medical source backing up such a claim.

Show proof that he was "casing houses."

Show proof that he "liked to steal" and "liked to fight."

All things that you have claimed as fact.


do your own research.  My screen name is not google.
 
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