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2013-09-10 10:48:35 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.

I guess his lie didn't count?

"I was looking for an address" *camera turns to show house with clearly visible address*

Opps, there's another lie. That leaves the score at 2 - 2.

"He reached for the gun, I mean, he saw the gun, I mean, he covered my mouth and nose and beat me in the head and choked me and said some movie line about how I was going to die..."

Yeah, i think we might be dealing with two liars.

/Both sides are bad, so vote Shellie


This is one thing no one ever talks about and has bothered me throughout this whole thing. This action movie dialog that Zimmerman claimed was said to him.
Trayvon- "You got a problem? Well you do now" and "You're gonna die tonight"
Who talks like that? I mean seriously? And the fact that Zimmerman Fanboys everywhere don't even acknowledge this as being odd, is even more disturbing.
The second thing that is bothersome is how no one had mentioned that when Trayvon asked George "Why are you following me" as Zimmerman said he did, Why didnt Zimmerman identify himself? I was hoping someone would ask this of him, but no one ever did.
 
2013-09-10 10:49:39 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: women regularly lie about their role in domestic violence.


"Women are more violent, it says so in this self-reported survey"

"Women lie about their role in domestic violence"

*explodingbrain.gif*
 
2013-09-10 10:49:51 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.

Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".

Is that from the SAME study, or are you at least going to give me a link or something?

Because, you know, if the former...don't even bother.

Its the actual cdc report. Look it up yourself.


In other words, your first link sucks, and you got nothing.  I'll go with the link above:  85% male, 15% female, until you can do better.
 
2013-09-10 10:50:21 AM

Millennium: Uranus Is Huge!: MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.

Honest question: how the heck does the math work out on this? If men and women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships at about the same rate, then how does the proportion of victims come out as anything but roughly equal?


Lots of lesbians?
 
2013-09-10 10:50:37 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Ask a bunch of men to self report how big their dick is and you'll get 99% of them saying 29 inches.


What will we get if we ask them to self report instances of initiating domestic violence?
 
2013-09-10 10:50:53 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: It is irrefutable that more than 70% of one-sided domestic violence is perpetrated by the woman however.

Unless you have OTHER studies, it's absolutely refutable.


Read the cdc report. Im not doing it for you.

The doj only takes into accoint cases reported to police, which is almost always reported BY the woman...who also admit to lying about the fact they are more often the initiator.

The cdc report takes into account reported and non-reported incidents, and is therefore less biased based on that fact.
 
2013-09-10 10:51:30 AM

dittybopper: Ah, yes, another Self-Defense Creationist, who won't look at the actual evidence that Zimmerman acted in self-defense under the law as it applies everywhere in the United States because you just *KNOW*, in your deepest heart of hearts, that Zimmerman a vile racist who killed a defenseless 12 year old cherub who only wanted to get home.

Look, the entire resources of the State of Florida, backed up by the US Justice Department, went looking for evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter, not to mention hate crimes (which is what the feds were looking at), and they came up with *NOTHING*.

Go watch the closing arguments of the trial again. The defense put on an evidence-laden final argument. The prosecution put on an emotion-laden final argument, largely devoid of any actual evidence. It was pure character assassination, and the jury didn't buy it.

Neither should you.

Let it farkin' go. It makes you look like an intellectually stunted person to keep hammering on this. Admit you were wrong (to just yourself, if that's what it takes to preserve your pride), and move on.

Remember that the only reason this became a national story is because the Martin family hired a publicist who shopped the story, with blatant distortions of the facts, to the national media. And you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.


While it is highly likely that Zimms acted in self defense, there is zero doubt that he set into motion the events that resulted in a minor who was doing nothing wrong being shot dead.  Zimms poor judgement created the situation in which the conflict occurred, his decision to patrol armed created the situation where the conflict escalated to lethal levels.

I do not think that Zimms murdered Martin in cold blood.  I do not think that Zimms profiled him because he was black (body language, attire, and age probably had more to do with it than color).  But if you think that Zimms poor judgement did not result in a foreseeable and avoidable death of a minor child committing no crime, you are insane.

Of course, your assertion that someone could be charged with manslaughter due to a Rube Goldbergian chain of events stemming from a false accusation kind of already proved that point.
 
2013-09-10 10:52:45 AM

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.

Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".

Is that from the SAME study, or are you at least going to give me a link or something?

Because, you know, if the former...don't even bother.

Its the actual cdc report. Look it up yourself.

In other words, your first link sucks, and you got nothing.  I'll go with the link above:  85% male, 15% female, until you can do better.


You are a special kind of stupid arent you
 
2013-09-10 10:53:21 AM

someonelse: The more you eat the more you fart: Ask a bunch of men to self report how big their dick is and you'll get 99% of them saying 29 inches.

What will we get if we ask them to self report instances of initiating domestic violence?


The same as women?
 
2013-09-10 10:56:12 AM
Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/
 
2013-09-10 10:56:59 AM

MycroftHolmes: dittybopper: Ah, yes, another Self-Defense Creationist, who won't look at the actual evidence that Zimmerman acted in self-defense under the law as it applies everywhere in the United States because you just *KNOW*, in your deepest heart of hearts, that Zimmerman a vile racist who killed a defenseless 12 year old cherub who only wanted to get home.

Look, the entire resources of the State of Florida, backed up by the US Justice Department, went looking for evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter, not to mention hate crimes (which is what the feds were looking at), and they came up with *NOTHING*.

Go watch the closing arguments of the trial again. The defense put on an evidence-laden final argument. The prosecution put on an emotion-laden final argument, largely devoid of any actual evidence. It was pure character assassination, and the jury didn't buy it.

Neither should you.

Let it farkin' go. It makes you look like an intellectually stunted person to keep hammering on this. Admit you were wrong (to just yourself, if that's what it takes to preserve your pride), and move on.

Remember that the only reason this became a national story is because the Martin family hired a publicist who shopped the story, with blatant distortions of the facts, to the national media. And you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

While it is highly likely that Zimms acted in self defense, there is zero doubt that he set into motion the events that resulted in a minor who was doing nothing wrong being shot dead.  Zimms poor judgement created the situation in which the conflict occurred, his decision to patrol armed created the situation where the conflict escalated to lethal levels.

I do not think that Zimms murdered Martin in cold blood.  I do not think that Zimms profiled him because he was black (body language, attire, and age probably had more to do with it than color).  But if you think that Zimms poor judgement did not result in a foreseeable and a ...


Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.
 
2013-09-10 10:57:22 AM

barneyfifesbullet: ignoring police requests that he stay in the car

You forgot to post the little smiling boy picture of Martin with that.

[i240.photobucket.com image 745x581]


So, according to your clever graphic, the media portrayed George Zimmerman as a fat man. And he portrayed himself to the public ... as a fat, smiling man. That's some fine insight, their, Lou.
 
2013-09-10 10:57:27 AM

Phinn: Magorn: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

Not actually true you know.  I am a bit of an expert in this area as I used to help to run the Family Law Court in a Suburban DC county, and the statistics actually show that while women are battered more often than men, men are more likey to be severly injured or killed in a domestic violence situation, as women are much more likely than men to use a weapon.  It's not biology but sociology that accoonts for most of the disparate statistics.  mena are far less likely to recognize when they are being battered, and even if they do, they are exceedingly unlikely to seek outside help for it, owing to basic societal stigmas ("you let a GIRL beat you up? What kind of man are you?")

Women REPORT being battered more often than men.

Why is that?

One contributing reason (as usual) is the almighty State and its asinine legislation causing more problems than it solves.  In this particular instance, the government's asinine screw-up is the federal Violence Against Women Act of 1994.  It gives federal money to the many thousands of police agencies around the U.S. when they promulgate mandatory arrest policies, whereby a woman only needs to make an accusation, however unfounded, however motivated she may be to lie.  As a result, despite several centuries of Probable Cause jurisprudence, the rule in modern America is now that when accused by a woman, The Man Goes to Jail.

The federal government uses taxpayer money to bribe local law enforcement to make a larger number of Domestic Violence arrests of men, based on unilateral accusations that would otherwise not be legally sufficient.

It's not a big surprise that this type of corruption would encourage women to make false accusati ...


Mandatory arrest policies are gender neutral which has been a major academic criticism of them.  They have lead to soaring arrest rates of women in DV situations.  One of the reasons for this it that police are required to make an arrest if they see signs of domestic violence.  A slap or a punch, may not leave visible injuries until hours after the incident when the bruise develops, but a woman with long nails is likely to break the skin if she struggles with her partner (be it on offense or defense) leaving a very visible  result.  SInce cops have to arrest one of them, this can often lead to the arest of the women even when she was only defending herself.

And contrary to popular myth cops HATE responding to DV calls because they result in injuries to officers more often than nearly any other (and more than once the spouse they are "rescuing" turns on them if a fight breaks out with the other partner).  This is why when I ran the DV desk at my court I urged women to go through with the process of getting the full restrining order.  they were often very skeptical ("how is a piece of paer going to stop him if he wants to hurt me"?)  But as I always told them it gave them all sorts of power if they had to call the cops, if told the dispatcher that they had a restraining order.

First it meant the responding officers didn;t have to play a game of "he said, she said".  There is a court order that he stay away, he's violating that order? Boom he's the one going to jail. No fuss, No muss.   Second it told the cops you were serious about wanting to end the abusive realtionship, and you weren;t going to tearily recant or turn on them when they showed up.  And finally it almost gauranteed a faster police response because no police dept wanted to deal with a headline in the Newspaper like DOmestic Violence victim with a protective order killed whyile waiting for police to arrive"

Saw hundreds of these cases in my time, and the only one I ever lost, decided not to stay that day for the hearing cause she be back in court on Monday anyway.   That Monday I was talking to homicide detectives instead; though, as small consolation I was able to give the detectives the clue they needed to arrest the boyfirend and prove his guilt.  (She told me she wanted the DV order because he'd been sending her the police code for Murder in Progress on her pager.  When they found the body it had no pager on it.  Guess who still had the damn thing on him when he was picked up?)
 
2013-09-10 11:00:25 AM

onyxruby: Victims of false accusations need a way to force police departments to arrest the false accusers and force real consequences in family court.


Are slander laws no longer a thing?
 
2013-09-10 11:00:30 AM

PunGent: MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.

Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.

I didn't say anything about waving the gun. He did have the tactical flashlight with knurled grip and striking bezel as well.

If Martin had been defending himself, your example would be accurate.  There was no proof that's what he was doing.

Yes, it sucks M is dead, but courtrooms require evidence for convictions.


And here we have cognitave dissonance at it's finest. After being chased for 2 blocks by car and 30 yards on foot, there is no way the young man was defending himself.
 
2013-09-10 11:00:37 AM

Diogenes: frepnog: dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american

Well aren't you just a peach.

*ignored*


well i simply don't know how I will be able to sleep tonight.
 
2013-09-10 11:01:00 AM
George should start dating black women just to make everyone's head explode.
 
2013-09-10 11:01:12 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/


I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.
 
2013-09-10 11:01:17 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.

Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".


They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
 
2013-09-10 11:01:38 AM

PunGent: Women REPORT being battered more often than men.

Why is that?

One contributing reason (as usual) is the almighty State and its asinine legislation causing more problems than it solves. In this particular instance, the government's asinine screw-up is the federal Violence Against Women Act of 1994. It gives federal money to the many thousands of police agencies around the U.S. when they promulgate mandatory arrest policies, whereby a woman only needs to make an accusation, however unfounded, however motivated she may be to lie. As a result, despite several centuries of Probable Cause jurisprudence, the rule in modern America is now that when accused by a woman, The Man Goes to Jail.

The federal government uses taxpayer money to bribe local law enforcement to make a larger number of Domestic Violence arrests of men, based on unilateral accusations that would otherwise not be legally sufficient.

It's not a big surprise that this type of corruption would encourage women to make false accusati ...

Problem is, the old "standard" was two armed cops would show up at house when the neighbors heard screaming and breaking glass, the husband would answer the door and say "everything's fine", and then the cops would leave.

So, no surprise the old pendulum has swung the other way a bit.



If there's one thing that my year-long discussion of the Zimmerman case has taught me, it is the extent to which some people are able to spend their entire lives inside a self-referential Unreality Bubble.  They insist on it.  They resent any attempt to burst it, actually.

The Unreality Bubble is amazingly powerful.  It is impervious to objective facts, reason and evidence.  It is, however, entirely convinced it is correct.  The main feature of the Unreality Bubble is that everything that occurs inside it is based on story.  Unreality is story-world.

Stories are everything to a person living inside the Unreality Bubble.  Narrative becomes elevated to the status of physics -- it controls how everything happens and can happen.  Fantasy is the only reality.

The image of the cops knocking on the door, and the wife-beater sending them away so he can resume his belt-strap lecture, is fantasy.  It's imaginary.  Of course I'm sure it has happened, somewhere, but women also really do attack men with weapons, often improvised.

The metaphor of the "pendulum" of politics is also a hallmark of Unreality.  It's nonsense.  Nothing ever "swings back."  The only constant is the lock-step march toward greater and greater centralized control.  The purpose of the "pendulum" metaphor is to get you to tolerate, excuse and even sometimes promote government actions that are patently indefensible, since it deceives you into assuming that such a measure is temporary, or offset by some other indefensible rule somewhere else.

There are people in this world whose job it is to weave a tapestry of Unreality for you to wrap around yourself.  It seems that you are part of their target market.
 
2013-09-10 11:02:19 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/


Here's a summary from the actual CDC that says you're at worst a liar, at best not so bright.

PDF

Here the source page.
 
2013-09-10 11:02:33 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Women are more often the perpetrator/instigator, but they are more likely to sustain injury in non-one-sided conflicts because the men are more capable of inflicting more serious injury.


It's sort of like being Germany. You keep starting, and losing, wars.
 
2013-09-10 11:02:35 AM

K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.


it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.
 
2013-09-10 11:06:49 AM

Magorn: Mandatory arrest policies are gender neutral which has been a major academic criticism of them. They have lead to soaring arrest rates of women in DV situations. One of the reasons for this it that police are required to make an arrest if they see signs of domestic violence. A slap or a punch, may not leave visible injuries until hours after the incident when the bruise develops, but a woman with long nails is likely to break the skin if she struggles with her partner (be it on offense or defense) leaving a very visible result. SInce cops have to arrest one of them, this can often lead to the arest of the women even when she was only defending herself.


Poor you, begin required to do your job and arrest the person who left evidence of battery. Your burden is Sissyphian.
 
2013-09-10 11:06:57 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.


Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.
 
2013-09-10 11:08:05 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

Here's a summary from the actual CDC that says you're at worst a liar, at best not so bright.

PDF

Here the source page.


Read the link i just posted.
 
2013-09-10 11:09:12 AM

This text is now purple: onyxruby: Victims of false accusations need a way to force police departments to arrest the false accusers and force real consequences in family court.

Are slander laws no longer a thing?


They're a thing, but slander is a tort, not a crime. I believe that what onyxruby is suggesting is to make it an actual crime.
 
2013-09-10 11:09:23 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.

Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.


I did some deeper reading - the CDC report actually disagrees with nearly everything you said earlier.

Facts are facts, sure - but that doesn't mean everything YOU say is fact. Clearly you were straight up wrong, at least if you're willing to say the CDC report is accurate.
 
2013-09-10 11:09:36 AM

This text is now purple: The more you eat the more you fart: Women are more often the perpetrator/instigator, but they are more likely to sustain injury in non-one-sided conflicts because the men are more capable of inflicting more serious injury.

It's sort of like being Germany. You keep starting, and losing, wars.


Except when im not fighting a war and am simply cut and pasting.
 
2013-09-10 11:09:38 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/


Or you could go to the actual CDC NISVS report, and read what they actually determined, which is quite a bit different than what is portrayed in the men's rights links that have been posted here.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/2010_report.html
 
2013-09-10 11:11:29 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.

Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.

I did some deeper reading - the CDC report actually disagrees with nearly everything you said earlier.

Facts are facts, sure - but that doesn't mean everything YOU say is fact. Clearly you were straight up wrong, at least if you're willing to say the CDC report is accurate.


You did read the link i sent right?

Then clearly..it says exactly what my initial statement was: women initiate far more domestic violence than men.
 
2013-09-10 11:12:11 AM
had the same shiat happen to me.  guess who still has all of his guns after proving that the poor little snowflake is a constant liar.  that and putting lying cops on the stand made it all good for me.  judges like people who tell the truth and can do it without looking like they're lying their asses off....
 
2013-09-10 11:12:39 AM

give me doughnuts: whatsupchuck: steamingpile: whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.

They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.

What report?  Certainly not in TFA.

If true, then they did an extraordinarily shiatty job of searching since even his attorney says he had his gun with him.

The attorney wasn't there, but the cops were.


And the official police report says...  ??!?
 
2013-09-10 11:13:21 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: You did read the link i sent right?

Then clearly..it says exactly what my initial statement was: women initiate far more domestic violence than men.


Yeeessss, but then I read the SOURCE MATERIAL. Which is important, you know? Try it out.
 
2013-09-10 11:15:15 AM
 
2013-09-10 11:16:57 AM

Millennium: This text is now purple: onyxruby: Victims of false accusations need a way to force police departments to arrest the false accusers and force real consequences in family court.

Are slander laws no longer a thing?

They're a thing, but slander is a tort, not a crime. I believe that what onyxruby is suggesting is to make it an actual crime.


Defamation per se is a crime in something like 17 states, but even a civil suit might slow her down.
 
2013-09-10 11:17:42 AM
What some people actually think happened
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-10 11:17:53 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

Here's a summary from the actual CDC that says you're at worst a liar, at best not so bright.

PDF

Here the source page.


If I'm reading the study right, it looks like when the measurements are taken anonymously, men and women report being the perpetrators and victims of domestic violence in roughly equal numbers. But when measurements can be traced back to the people who did the reporting, far more women report being the victims of domestic violence than men do. I'm citing the first column on Page 25 (by the PDF's own count; I note that Firefox's PDF viewer calls it Page 37).

Fascinating.
 
2013-09-10 11:17:57 AM
she should have stood her ground and shot him.
 
2013-09-10 11:20:53 AM

frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.


In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.
 
2013-09-10 11:21:27 AM

pacified: she should have stood her ground and shot him.


what she should do is act like a farking grown up and not tell lies.
 
2013-09-10 11:22:33 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: Link to report that cites the most recent cdc report for the three of you too lazy/stupid to do it yourselves:


http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

I accept this. It's a better source than your previous ones.

Now you just need to stop saying "women lie" so people don't dismiss you right off the bat (your Weeners to me was namecalling me, in fact). Not being a dick goes a long way towards credibility.

Facts are facts...and i was stating fact. The cdc report even goes into detail abput why the doj study and the navaw and nvis studies most people here are referring to are flawed and not accurate.

The cdc is THE source on violence statistics.

I did some deeper reading - the CDC report actually disagrees with nearly everything you said earlier.

Facts are facts, sure - but that doesn't mean everything YOU say is fact. Clearly you were straight up wrong, at least if you're willing to say the CDC report is accurate.

You did read the link i sent right?

Then clearly..it says exactly what my initial statement was: women initiate far more domestic violence than men.


Yeah, but in post-Clinton America, men deserve it. They can be attacked with impunity and then jailed (or at best detained) for making a woman hit him. For exame, if he fails to meet her needs, such as making enough money for her use, or not finding her sufficiently attractive to remain sexually loyal to her. For that, men get what they deserve, until they learn their place.

And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.

As an added bonus, all female accusations against men are now presumed true until conclusively disproven.
 
2013-09-10 11:23:58 AM
It sounds like Zimmerman is just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to avoid trouble. I'm not saying that he starts the trouble or breaks any laws. He's just dumb and doesn't know when to walk away. He's going to continue to have a pretty crappy life if he doesn't learn how to choose his battles.
 
2013-09-10 11:24:00 AM
On the 911 call, she sounds more upset about the blonde in the car than the claim that he had a gun.
 
2013-09-10 11:25:36 AM

MycroftHolmes: frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.

In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.


I love how we are supposed to be outraged at the possibility that Zimmerman has been unfairly accused of domestic violence. But we are supposed to accept without question the accusation that Martin was "casing houses."
 
2013-09-10 11:26:28 AM

frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
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well, my friend, continuing to assert that Zimmerman MUST have committed a crime in direct oposition to all available evidence is certainly not painting you in the best light.  Also, the fact that you continue this assertion while also being African-American points to your own racism.  Also, calling others racist for NOT defending Trayvon, once again, paints YOU as the racist.  Dude, you seem like a very intelligent human.  I have read hundreds of your posts.  I do not in fact believe you to be a fool OR ignorant.  I simply see you post things that read as ignorant and in defiance of fact.  That means that you are either a gigantic troll, or you are simply seriously racist despite your intelligence and will defend any African-American regardless of fact.  Which is it?



I'll answer your question when you answer mine. Are you a pineapple or a candle? FYI, just because you give someone two dumbass choices, it does not mean one of them has to be valid. Your in-depth research of my posts aside, you have no idea of my positon on this and I can tell because you're using the standard arguments. You expect me to believe certain things and feel a certain way and you project that into your unsupported, uncited posts. I'm not going to argue from the perspective of the boogeyman you've created. Find somebody else for that. If you want to address something I've actually said, or ask what I think and counter it, I'd be happy to engage you.
 
2013-09-10 11:27:23 AM

MycroftHolmes: frepnog: K-jack: Well said. In fact the only thing crystal clear in the whole incident is that it was initiated by Zimmerman's actions and unfounded fears.

it is not an unfounded fear to see someone casing houses and report them to the police.

In this case, it was provably unfounded. Martin wasn't casing houses, he was walking back from the store.

An it is unfounded fear that would cause a man to drive around his own neighborhood armed.


it is not an unfounded fear when Zimmerman lived in an area already hit with multiple burglaries.  it is not an unfounded fear when you spot someone casing houses, call the police, and the person you spotted approaches you and acts in an intimidating manner.  It is not an unfounded fear when, while waiting for the police to arrive, you are attacked by the person you are reporting to the police.

dude, give it the fark up.  yeah, Trayvon had skittles and watermelon drink.  but, his own telephone and liver toxicology prove exactly what trayvon was going to do with those items, among the other interesting items that trayvon's own telephone proved - that he liked to fight, liked to do drugs, was looking for a gun, ect.

Travyon actually proved that Zimmerman's "fears" were very much accurate.
 
2013-09-10 11:27:59 AM

Phinn: And when a woman decides she wants to convert her indoor husband to an outdoor husband, she only needs to file a No Questions Asked divorce, and she'll automatically be entitled to retain her right to be economically supported without all those pesky reciprocal obligations.


Oh, he's a keeper, ladies.
 
2013-09-10 11:29:39 AM

AxemRed: It sounds like Zimmerman is just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to avoid trouble. I'm not saying that he starts the trouble or breaks any laws. He's just dumb and doesn't know when to walk away. He's going to continue to have a pretty crappy life if he doesn't learn how to choose his battles.


i can fully support this statement.  he proved himself inarguably a dumbass by touring the kel-tek factory and being all smiles in photos that should have never been seen by the public.
 
2013-09-10 11:30:55 AM

frepnog: casing houses


Just so we're clear, how exactly are you defining "casing houses"? Because it kinda sounds like you are defining it as "looking at houses while black."
 
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