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2013-09-10 10:19:56 AM  

someonelse: The more you eat the more you fart: Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

But women are liars, according to this very thread.


Nah, just this one. It's kind of a thing with her, maybe?
 
2013-09-10 10:20:52 AM  

MyRandomName: You can't teach him anything. Many have tried. He doubles down on his own ignorance every time.


I asked for a citation, he provided one and called me a name. The fact that you need to pile on is sad and childish.
 
2013-09-10 10:20:59 AM  

Magorn: as women are much more likely than men to use a weapon.


That part kind of is related to basic biology.
 
2013-09-10 10:22:10 AM  
And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.
 
2013-09-10 10:23:07 AM  

Nabb1: someonelse: The more you eat the more you fart: Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

But women are liars, according to this very thread.

Nah, just this one. It's kind of a thing with her, maybe?


Except this thread is full of people saying that women lie in divorce cases. Then someone cites a study involving people SELF REPORTING domestic violence, and suddenly the possibility of lying is inconceivable.
 
2013-09-10 10:23:15 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Oh, anecdotal evidence. Well by all means, please continue.


I'm not racist but I look at it as a "what if it were me?" type of situation. If someone were to attack me, would I want to be able to defend myself?
 
2013-09-10 10:23:19 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I knew it. It's been pretty obvious that there is a massive, long-running conspiracy to persecute this man.


The Buddhist concept of karma is that people's lives tend to go in the same direction as the things they do. Good deeds make one's life tend more towards good, and evil deeds cause one's life to tend more towards evil. It has long since been established that Zimmerman is a big fat poopyhead. The thing about big fat poopyheads is that they attract trouble. They do it on enough of a scale that lends some credence to the idea of karma.

But there's a common misconception about karma: that it's about some kind of cosmic justice or at least fairness. Neither is the case: a large part of the reason it's said we should take karma into account is that it isn't fair. Big fat poopyheads attract far more trouble than they cause. This does not invalidate the fact that they're big fat poopyheads, but it does mean that if we are of a mind to be fair, we must not presume them guilty. Every case must still be decided on its own merits. Even when big fat poopyheads are involved.
 
2013-09-10 10:23:37 AM  

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.

I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.


I was gonna say... But I was rendered speechless, you nailed it.
 
2013-09-10 10:24:11 AM  

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.


Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".
 
2013-09-10 10:24:12 AM  
My ex pulled something like this on the day we separated. Luckily for me the cops, her own son and the 911 tape all contradicted her story badly enough that the cops never even bothered to interview me about her claims. After that first incident my police department told me to record every interaction with her for my own protection.

The second time my ex tried claiming I beat the living crap out of her (and showed up at the sheriff's department covered in bruises and a "witness" for proof). Being able to play a recording of what actually happened surprised the hell out of the deputy, needless to say my recording saved me from going to jail or even being arrested.

She tried pulling the same thing again a third time a month ago, and again the cops quickly came to the conclusion that I never hurt anyone. Needless to say the judge determined that it was fabricated within seconds. She then has the audacity to complain in court about me recording every interaction with her!

Claiming a domestic abuse thing is a common divorce tactic that is favored because it instantly gives one person the kids, the house, child support and everything else. Unfortunately there are no legal repercussions for making false claims, until this changes false claims will continue to be a favored tactic for gaining custody.

How many kids grow up hating one of their parents thinking they did a horrible thing when in reality nothing ever happened and it was nothing more than a divorce tactic? Victims of false accusations need a way to force police departments to arrest the false accusers and force real consequences in family court.
 
2013-09-10 10:26:41 AM  

PunGent: Magorn: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...

Seriously?  Physical injuries on Zimmerman.  Front and back of head.  End of story.

Magorn, I respect your opinions as a rule, but you're really walking way out on thin ice on this one.


Nope. Go with me a minute.  The Injuries show that an altercation took place, just as Martin's dead body did,  but, suppose Zimmerman had died fnot Martin, could you have convicted Martin?  You are Martin's defense lawyer, and you have a tap of this guy calling 911, ignoring police requests that he stay in the car, saying "he's not gonna get away this time" AND he's armed with a gun.   Could you, as a hypthetical juror at Martin's trial conclude that the evidence proved HE initiated the encounter and was not acting in self-defense?  The same standards of reasonable doubt that rightly have Zimmerman walking around as a free man today have to apply to those who accept the counter-narraive that somehow Taryvon started the fight that ended Zimmerman;s life.
 
2013-09-10 10:27:16 AM  

MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.


Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.
 
2013-09-10 10:27:19 AM  

onyxruby: My ex pulled something like this on the day we separated. Luckily for me the cops, her own son and the 911 tape all contradicted her story badly enough that the cops never even bothered to interview me about her claims. After that first incident my police department told me to record every interaction with her for my own protection.

The second time my ex tried claiming I beat the living crap out of her (and showed up at the sheriff's department covered in bruises and a "witness" for proof). Being able to play a recording of what actually happened surprised the hell out of the deputy, needless to say my recording saved me from going to jail or even being arrested.

She tried pulling the same thing again a third time a month ago, and again the cops quickly came to the conclusion that I never hurt anyone. Needless to say the judge determined that it was fabricated within seconds. She then has the audacity to complain in court about me recording every interaction with her!

Claiming a domestic abuse thing is a common divorce tactic that is favored because it instantly gives one person the kids, the house, child support and everything else. Unfortunately there are no legal repercussions for making false claims, until this changes false claims will continue to be a favored tactic for gaining custody.

How many kids grow up hating one of their parents thinking they did a horrible thing when in reality nothing ever happened and it was nothing more than a divorce tactic? Victims of false accusations need a way to force police departments to arrest the false accusers and force real consequences in family court.


Better question: why isnt she in jail for that shiat?
 
2013-09-10 10:27:58 AM  
I love this thread.
 
2013-09-10 10:30:31 AM  

cookiefleck: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Oh, anecdotal evidence. Well by all means, please continue.

I'm not racist but I look at it as a "what if it were me?" type of situation. If someone were to attack me, would I want to be able to defend myself?


I don't understand your response. There is nothing said in this interaction about race. We're talking about domestic violence.
 
2013-09-10 10:31:08 AM  

Magorn: frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.

based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....


>ctrl-f "convictions"
>no results
 
2013-09-10 10:31:16 AM  
Said this last few Zimmerman threads.

As their divorce heats up, how long till she either starts telling EVERY stupid thing he's ever done or said to the media.  Even her just telling the truth, much less making things up, will keep the media entertained for months.

"He left the toilet seat up once."
"He let a toddler play cops and robbers with an unloaded gun."
"He used racial slurs all the time."
"His favorite episode of South Park was the "N***** Guy" episode."
"The night after he killed that kid he told me he wanted to have sex because he was still hard from the thrill of killing a n*****."
"After the shooting he got a tattoo of Martin's face on his ass with red "X" overlayed on it."
 
2013-09-10 10:31:28 AM  

Magorn: PunGent: Magorn: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...

Seriously?  Physical injuries on Zimmerman.  Front and back of head.  End of story.

Magorn, I respect your opinions as a rule, but you're really walking way out on thin ice on this one.

Nope. Go with me a minute.  The Injuries show that an altercation took place, just as Martin's dead body did,  but, suppose Zimmerman had died fnot Martin, could you have convicted Martin?  You are Martin's defense lawyer, and you have a tap of this guy calling 911, ignoring police requests that he stay in the car, saying "he's not gonna get away this time" AND he's armed with a gun.   Could you, as a hypthetical juror at Martin's trial conclude that the evidence proved HE initiated the encounter and was not acting in self-defense?  The same standards of reasonable doubt that rightly have Zimmerman walking around as a free man today have to apply to those who accept the counter-narraive that somehow Taryvon started the fight that ended Zimmerman;s life.


I see what you're saying.  Imho, if M is alive, and, say, has a gunshot wound, but managed to kill Z, he probably walks.  Unless there's a witness, again, showing that, say, M started the fight.

It's unfortunate, perhaps, but the living have an advantage over the dead.  Just the way it is.
 
2013-09-10 10:31:36 AM  
Gee, what a shock.

A bitter woman makes up a story about the husband that she is divorcing. Something that happens every day. She can't keep her BS story straight so cops have nothing to arrest anyone for. Because, nothing happened.

The low information Obama voters totally fall for it, of course. Because those idiots will fall for anything.
 
2013-09-10 10:32:55 AM  

someonelse: Nabb1: someonelse: The more you eat the more you fart: Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

But women are liars, according to this very thread.

Nah, just this one. It's kind of a thing with her, maybe?

Except this thread is full of people saying that women lie in divorce cases. Then someone cites a study involving people SELF REPORTING domestic violence, and suddenly the possibility of lying is inconceivable.


Well...it depends on what is being self reported ya think?

Ask a bunch of men to self report how big their dick is and you'll get 99% of them saying 29 inches.

Asking a bunch of women how many times they initiate beating the shiat out of their male counterparts in a domestic violence situation is CLEARLY the same..lol
 
2013-09-10 10:33:10 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Obama voters


Fool-Flag raised to full mast.
 
2013-09-10 10:33:39 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.

Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

Learn to read.


MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.
 
2013-09-10 10:34:10 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Asking a bunch of women how many times they initiate beating the shiat out of their male counterparts in a domestic violence situation is CLEARLY the same..lol


I bet that's exactly how it was phrased

And I bet this is the first time ever that self-reported data is super accurate

Yep just this once, it's definitely true
 
2013-09-10 10:34:13 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.

Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".


Is that from the SAME study, or are you at least going to give me a link or something?

Because, you know, if the former...don't even bother.
 
2013-09-10 10:35:40 AM  

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.


That's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.
 
2013-09-10 10:35:52 AM  

Gimmick: Based on their states of mind (Zimmerman not wanting the punk to get away and Martin wanting to escape the creepy cracker), my money is on Zimmerman grabbing Martin and getting beaten for it.


For what reason did you not contact the office of the District Attorney of the state of Florida, so that you could present your baseless speculation, upon which Mr. Zimmerman would certainly have been convicted, at trial?
 
2013-09-10 10:36:04 AM  

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.

Its a pdf so i cant..but you can easily look it up yourself but here is part of it:

Intimate partner violence:
1 in 3 women vs. 92.1% of men experienced intimate partner violence.

Stalking, rape, and unwanted sexual contact on male victims were more often perpetrated by other men. Physical violence of a domestic nature against men most often perpetrated by a woman.

Differential: 72.8% of domestic violence self-reported as being initiated by the female partner in heterosexual relationships vs 23.4% by the male partner. Remaining classified as "mutual".

Is that from the SAME study, or are you at least going to give me a link or something?

Because, you know, if the former...don't even bother.


Its the actual cdc report. Look it up yourself.
 
2013-09-10 10:36:19 AM  

LasersHurt: Fool-Flag raised to full mast.


Everyone can already see you.
 
2013-09-10 10:36:25 AM  

Magorn: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

Not actually true you know.  I am a bit of an expert in this area as I used to help to run the Family Law Court in a Suburban DC county, and the statistics actually show that while women are battered more often than men, men are more likey to be severly injured or killed in a domestic violence situation, as women are much more likely than men to use a weapon.  It's not biology but sociology that accoonts for most of the disparate statistics.  mena are far less likely to recognize when they are being battered, and even if they do, they are exceedingly unlikely to seek outside help for it, owing to basic societal stigmas ("you let a GIRL beat you up? What kind of man are you?")



Women REPORT being battered more often than men.

Why is that?

One contributing reason (as usual) is the almighty State and its asinine legislation causing more problems than it solves.  In this particular instance, the government's asinine screw-up is the federal Violence Against Women Act of 1994.  It gives federal money to the many thousands of police agencies around the U.S. when they promulgate mandatory arrest policies, whereby a woman only needs to make an accusation, however unfounded, however motivated she may be to lie.  As a result, despite several centuries of Probable Cause jurisprudence, the rule in modern America is now that when accused by a woman, The Man Goes to Jail.

The federal government uses taxpayer money to bribe local law enforcement to make a larger number of Domestic Violence arrests of men, based on unilateral accusations that would otherwise not be legally sufficient.

It's not a big surprise that this type of corruption would encourage women to make false accusations, or to feel that they can attack men with impunity.

If the law provided that one race, based on nothing but a unilateral, unverified accusation, could get any member of another race arrested, at any time, automatically, with no fear of repercussion for making a false accusation, what do you think the result would be?
 
2013-09-10 10:36:42 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.

Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

Learn to read.

MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.


That's about what I'd expect.  That's not to say there aren't OTHER huge inequities, like women lying about child abuse in divorce cases, etc.
 
2013-09-10 10:37:05 AM  

PunGent: MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.

Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.


I didn't say anything about waving the gun. He did have the tactical flashlight with knurled grip and striking bezel as well.
 
2013-09-10 10:37:13 AM  

slayer199: I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here which I'm sure will inflame the fark masses.  Having been a police officer for a couple years, I've seen these stories go both ways.

Weren't they having marital troubles?  Isn't it possible that she embellished her story to get him out of the house?  I'm not saying one way or another what happened...that's why there's usually an investigation into these things.

If it was Joe Blow and not George Zimmerman we wouldn't be hearing about this.  I really don't know what happened in the house other than they had a heated argument...and odds are you don't know either.


I'm sure i would try and get my message out if it had been me
 
2013-09-10 10:38:39 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
 .


well, my friend, continuing to assert that Zimmerman MUST have committed a crime in direct oposition to all available evidence is certainly not painting you in the best light.  Also, the fact that you continue this assertion while also being African-American points to your own racism.  Also, calling others racist for NOT defending Trayvon, once again, paints YOU as the racist.  Dude, you seem like a very intelligent human.  I have read hundreds of your posts.  I do not in fact believe you to be a fool OR ignorant.  I simply see you post things that read as ignorant and in defiance of fact.  That means that you are either a gigantic troll, or you are simply seriously racist despite your intelligence and will defend any African-American regardless of fact.  Which is it?
 
2013-09-10 10:40:35 AM  

Magorn: ignoring police requests that he stay in the car


Please present evidence of such an occurrence. For what reason did the prosecutor admit that no evidence of such an occurrence was available, if you are aware of such an event?
 
2013-09-10 10:40:40 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: cookiefleck: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.

Oh, anecdotal evidence. Well by all means, please continue.

I'm not racist but I look at it as a "what if it were me?" type of situation. If someone were to attack me, would I want to be able to defend myself?

I don't understand your response. There is nothing said in this interaction about race. We're talking about domestic violence.


you said so up thread... you are taking Zimmerman' s past and giving his ex wife the benefit of the doubt because of his history. You also said upthread that trayvon's previous record shouldn't matter.
 
2013-09-10 10:40:57 AM  

Phinn: Magorn: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

Not actually true you know.  I am a bit of an expert in this area as I used to help to run the Family Law Court in a Suburban DC county, and the statistics actually show that while women are battered more often than men, men are more likey to be severly injured or killed in a domestic violence situation, as women are much more likely than men to use a weapon.  It's not biology but sociology that accoonts for most of the disparate statistics.  mena are far less likely to recognize when they are being battered, and even if they do, they are exceedingly unlikely to seek outside help for it, owing to basic societal stigmas ("you let a GIRL beat you up? What kind of man are you?")

Women REPORT being battered more often than men.

Why is that?

One contributing reason (as usual) is the almighty State and its asinine legislation causing more problems than it solves.  In this particular instance, the government's asinine screw-up is the federal Violence Against Women Act of 1994.  It gives federal money to the many thousands of police agencies around the U.S. when they promulgate mandatory arrest policies, whereby a woman only needs to make an accusation, however unfounded, however motivated she may be to lie.  As a result, despite several centuries of Probable Cause jurisprudence, the rule in modern America is now that when accused by a woman, The Man Goes to Jail.

The federal government uses taxpayer money to bribe local law enforcement to make a larger number of Domestic Violence arrests of men, based on unilateral accusations that would otherwise not be legally sufficient.

It's not a big surprise that this type of corruption would encourage women to make false accusati ...


Problem is, the old "standard" was two armed cops would show up at house when the neighbors heard screaming and breaking glass, the husband would answer the door and say "everything's fine", and then the cops would leave.

So, no surprise the old pendulum has swung the other way a bit.
 
2013-09-10 10:41:30 AM  

spiderpaz: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

That's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.


Thats uh..pretty much exactly what every recent survey/study states.

Women are more often the perpetrator/instigator, but they are more likely to sustain injury in non-one-sided conflicts because the men are more capable of inflicting more serious injury.

However, women are more likely to use a weapon to even the size/strength gap...which in effect leads to more severe injuries to them in cases where the man feels it necessary to defend himself.

It is irrefutable that more than 70% of one-sided domestic violence is perpetrated by the woman however.
 
2013-09-10 10:42:12 AM  

frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
 .

well, my friend, continuing to assert that Zimmerman MUST have committed a crime in direct oposition to all available evidence is certainly not painting you in the best light.  Also, the fact that you continue this assertion while also being African-American points to your own racism.  Also, calling others racist for NOT defending Trayvon, once again, paints YOU as the racist.  Dude, you seem like a very intelligent human.  I have read hundreds of your posts.  I do not in fact believe you to be a fool OR ignorant.  I simply see you post things that read as ignorant and in defiance of fact.  That means that you are either a gigantic troll, or you are simply seriously racist despite your intelligence and will defend any African-American regardless of fact.  Which is it?


I take racist for 500 Alex

/or maybe just a Tammy Wynettw fan
 
2013-09-10 10:42:16 AM  

frepnog: dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american


Well aren't you just a peach.

*ignored*
 
2013-09-10 10:42:27 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: It is irrefutable that more than 70% of one-sided domestic violence is perpetrated by the woman however.


Unless you have OTHER studies, it's absolutely refutable.
 
2013-09-10 10:42:55 AM  
The Examiner passes as a reputable source? Wow, your standards have fallen.

I think I'll wait to watch the story as it unfolds. The likelihood of news stories getting this right are slim. The likelihood of the Examiner getting this right are doubly so.
 
2013-09-10 10:42:59 AM  
If he was smart (doubt it) he would only be around her with his lawyer and/or the cops and save any texts or emails and record calls. It seems like it would be the only way to protect himself from her. That or make her wear a hoodie and have a bag of skittles and say she was coming right for him.
 
2013-09-10 10:43:04 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.


Honest question: how the heck does the math work out on this? If men and women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships at about the same rate, then how does the proportion of victims come out as anything but roughly equal?
 
2013-09-10 10:43:54 AM  
ignoring police requests that he stay in the car

You forgot to post the little smiling boy picture of Martin with that.

i240.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-10 10:44:00 AM  

MFAWG: PunGent: MFAWG: And now we get to the heart of the issue. In Florida, you can chase someone while carrying multiple weapons, and if the person you're chasing defends themself and ends updead, no crime had occurred.

Well, unless, for example, a SINGLE witness had reliably said "Z chased M, threatening him and waving his gun, and M jumped him in self-defense."   Z probably would've been convicted in that case...and rightfully so.

I didn't say anything about waving the gun. He did have the tactical flashlight with knurled grip and striking bezel as well.


If Martin had been defending himself, your example would be accurate.  There was no proof that's what he was doing.

Yes, it sucks M is dead, but courtrooms require evidence for convictions.
 
2013-09-10 10:44:20 AM  

whatsupchuck: steamingpile: whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.

They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.

What report?  Certainly not in TFA.

If true, then they did an extraordinarily shiatty job of searching since even his attorney says he had his gun with him.


The attorney wasn't there, but the cops were.
 
2013-09-10 10:45:34 AM  

Millennium: Uranus Is Huge!: MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.

Honest question: how the heck does the math work out on this? If men and women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships at about the same rate, then how does the proportion of victims come out as anything but roughly equal?


Sociology isn't a hard science.
 
2013-09-10 10:46:08 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [img401.imageshack.us image 608x380]

Q&D before work. Could've trimmed off the the uncanny parts but it's extra horrifying that way.


... she's from New Jersey?

\difficulty: no duck face
 
2013-09-10 10:47:43 AM  

PunGent: Uranus Is Huge!: The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.

Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

Learn to read.

MYTH #3: THE REAL PROBLEM IS COUPLES WHO ASSAULT EACH OTHER. WOMEN ARE JUST AS VIOLENT AS MEN.

FACT: A well-publicized study conducted by Dr. Murray Strauss at the University of New Hampshire found that women use violent means to resolve conflict in relationships as often as men. However, the study also concluded that when the context and consequences of an assault are measured, the majority of victims are women. The U.S. Department of Justice has found that 85% of the victims of spouse abuse are female. Men can be victims, but it is rare.

That's about what I'd expect.  That's not to say there aren't OTHER huge inequities, like women lying about child abuse in divorce cases, etc.


Except the DOJ only reports on the cases reported to the police....which is the basis of this thread...women regularly lie about their role in domestic violence.

The cdc report takes into account all cases...reported to police or not.

The REAL fact is that overall, 48.2% of men and 48.7% of women have experienced opposite sex domestic violence.
 
2013-09-10 10:48:02 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: spiderpaz: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

That's pretty sketchy logic.  Maybe we don't need as many battered men's shelter because, although women initiate domestic violence more often, men (being biologically the bigger/stronger gender), are not as likely to sustain serious injuries because they are generally more capable of defending themselves.

Thats uh..pretty much exactly what every recent survey/study states.

Women are more often the perpetrator/instigator, but they are more likely to sustain injury in non-one-sided conflicts because the men are more capable of inflicting more serious injury.

However, women are more likely to use a weapon to even the size/strength gap...which in effect leads to more severe injuries to them in cases where the man feels it necessary to defend himself.


Then why don't you cite a study that includes, you know, WEAPONS?

It is irrefutable that more than 70% of one-sided domestic violence is perpetrated by the woman however.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means...
 
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