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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman's wife Shellie's 911 call to Lake Mary, Florida police. After saying he threatened him with a gun, she admits she never saw a gun   (examiner.com) divider line 474
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2013-09-10 09:58:32 AM

MFAWG: What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.


Let me know what's illegal about the above so far please.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:46 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?


I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:50 AM

QueenMamaBee: slayer199: I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here which I'm sure will inflame the fark masses.  Having been a police officer for a couple years, I've seen these stories go both ways.

Weren't they having marital troubles?  Isn't it possible that she embellished her story to get him out of the house?  I'm not saying one way or another what happened...that's why there's usually an investigation into these things.

If it was Joe Blow and not George Zimmerman we wouldn't be hearing about this.  I really don't know what happened in the house other than they had a heated argument...and odds are you don't know either.

And as a police officer, I'm also sure you've seen many women who've had the crap beat out of them turn around and refuse to press charges against the douche. That's also a good possibility.


Except nobody had a mark on them and Zimmerman was outside the whole time yet no neighbors saw anything and the father didn't either. You're acting like this is just he said/she said when there were numerous witnesses this time.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:55 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.

I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.

It's pretty well known dude. Look it up.


http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm
 
2013-09-10 09:59:46 AM

steamingpile: whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.

They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.


Have they released the police report yet? I've read 3-4 stories on CNN and local affiliates but hadn't seen that yet.
 
2013-09-10 09:59:50 AM
If these two could just stay out of the press and reconcile they'd could potentially have a terrific marriage based on mutual paranoia with a whiff of gun

It'd be like Bonnie and Clyde or Natural Born Killers

"Honey? The whole world is out to get us - and yes, yes, you DO know what I am capable of. Let's shop our story and make money while creating a world of two. You LIED - admit it - we are made for each other!"
 
2013-09-10 10:00:40 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.


Here you are for starters:


http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm
 
2013-09-10 10:00:59 AM

supayoda: "Gun was not shown" =/= "there was no gun."

Zimmerman's own attorney has already stated that he did have a gun but that it wasn't shown.

FTA: "Later, during an interview on CNN, O'Mara admitted Zimmerman did have a gun on him, but 'He never took the weapon out.'"

I'm also pretty darn sure one can imply that I'm going to shoot you without ever showing you a gun.


Don't bother. Zim has already been canonized as the saint of downtrodden, henpecked, and imaginarily persecuted men everywhere. The faithful are already making a pilgrimage to Florida to pinch his chubby, beatified cheeks.
 
2013-09-10 10:01:12 AM
badhatharry:

She's not to blame for Trayvon getting killed. That would be Trayvon's fault for jumping the wrong guy.

The point is, none of these things that happen to George are George's fault.  They are someone else's fault.  I still believe in George Zimmerman.
 
2013-09-10 10:01:44 AM

MFAWG: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.


it was not out of the clear blue sky.  trayvon knew zim was watching.  he tried to intimidate zim and then RAN ALL THE WAY HOME, as confirmed by his friend rachel.  he then returned to teach zimmerman a lesson, to "whoop cracka ass" as rachel put it.  as is apparent, the only reason trayvon and zimmerman met again that night was because it was what trayvon wanted.

you can try to defend thuglike behavior all you like, but the fact is that trayvon attacked zimmerman and got himself shot for it.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:03 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.

Let me just get this clear. On every single "somebody has shot something" thread - you are on here defending the shooter. So... you are asking me to give it a rest?


Actually, that's not true.

It was true for the Zimmerman case, because it was patently obvious to anyone who actually *LOOKED* at the evidence before making their mind up that it was a pretty straight-up case of self-defense.

And before you say anything, I was skeptical of both sides, reserving judgement until the facts came in.   This is my Boobies on the subject:

dittybopper  [TotalFark]                                  2012-03-21 02:22:09 PM  
vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.
Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)

Sounds to me like he says "f*cking punks".

/Haven't formed an opinion yet
//The "facts" being presented are still to variable, this thread being a perfect example.

///Guy does seem like a major Mall Ninja though.


Notice that I was influenced by media coverage a bit, thinking of Zimmerman as a "Mall Ninja" (think Paul Blart, Mall Cop with a gun).

But as all the alleged evidence on the Martin side was shown to be either completely false, or misleading, while all the actual confirmed evidence and eyewitness testimony substantially supported (or at the very worst, didn't refute) Zimmerman's story, then yeah, I made up my mind.

People like you are the creationists of self-defense cases.  You don't see the actual evidence because you have internalized it as a matter of faith that George Zimmerman committed murder, and that he couldn't possibly have had the right to defend himself against Martin.

And no, I don't reflexively defend the shooters in every "somebody shot something" thread.  I've called people idiots when it was plain they were doing something unsafe (like those target practicing idiots in Pennsylvania, shooting guns without an adequate backstop), and I've called actual murderers what they are, murderers (like the guy who killed several people at a town hall meeting over a land dispute(.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:12 AM

MFAWG: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.


"Chased"? Y'all crack me up.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:19 AM
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Which one has a history of getting in trouble for lying?
 
2013-09-10 10:03:01 AM
Is she at least sure she saw George?  DNRTFA
 
2013-09-10 10:03:11 AM

Diogenes: Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.


I guess his lie didn't count?

"I was looking for an address" *camera turns to show house with clearly visible address*

Opps, there's another lie. That leaves the score at 2 - 2.

"He reached for the gun, I mean, he saw the gun, I mean, he covered my mouth and nose and beat me in the head and choked me and said some movie line about how I was going to die..."

Yeah, i think we might be dealing with two liars.

/Both sides are bad, so vote Shellie
 
2013-09-10 10:04:05 AM

MFAWG: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.


Martin was being followed by a cracker ass rapist and had to give him an ass whoopin'.
 
2013-09-10 10:04:19 AM

Rapmaster2000: I took Logic in the Army. I'm not dumb.


logic.  army.

is that like "military intelligence"? you know, a direct contradiction?
 
2013-09-10 10:05:16 AM

redmid17: steamingpile: whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.

They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.

Have they released the police report yet? I've read 3-4 stories on CNN and local affiliates but hadn't seen that yet.


It was a local report I read last night.
 
2013-09-10 10:06:44 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.
 
2013-09-10 10:07:18 AM

KellyX: Magorn: Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.

Killing someone is legalized in certain situations, war or armed conflicts typically its legal; self defense is another time it's legal.

They determined he didn't kill Martin illegally, that he did it in self defense.

Get over it already.


actually the did no such thing.  They determined that the evidence that Zimmerman did NOT act in self defense when firing the bullet was not sufficent to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty and there are light years between those things.   I once served on a jury where we acquitted a man of the attempted murder of a cop even though we were almost certain he had done it.  There was no doubt he was in the car that had been in a high spped chase with the officer, his finger prints (and others) were also on the shotgun that fired the pellets that hit the officer in the chest and were stopped by his vest.  However, there were two other people in that car as well, and the only testimony making this guy the triggerman was the testimony of the officer.  Unfortunately the officer's testimony was generally unreliable as he testified he also returned fire with only a single shot, when in fact he emptied all 13 rounds from his weapon during the firefight  (including a shot a few minutes later that servered the spin of the fleeing defendant and paralyzed him for life)

Based on that, while we had no doubt he was involved in the shoot out with the officer,  and we knew he most LIKELY did it, we could not conclude "beyond a reasonable doubt" that HE fired the shotgun, and therefore had to acquit
 
2013-09-10 10:07:40 AM

King Something: Carth: max_pooper: One does not have to be in current possession of a firearm to commit a crime of threatening a person with use of a firearm.

"biatch, if you don't shut your mouth I'm ganna shoot you  like I shot that kid"

It is the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony in most states.

Florida is not one of those states. The threat itself is enough, especially if the person who makes the threat to fatally shoot someone actually has fatally shot someone in the past and references that past shooting when making the threat.


Do you have a link to the statue? Googling isn't turning anything up.

It is surprising FL doesn't distinguish between saying "i'm going to kill you" and saying it with a gun in your hand. But... it is Florida so it is plausible.
 
2013-09-10 10:07:54 AM

steamingpile: p the boiler: I should feel bad about myself that I find Shellie cute - I know this, but I think she is cute

Any woman named Shellie or a variation thereof are all crazy so steer clear.

Source: dated a woman named Shelly and worked with a coont of the same name.


Her name was Shelly and she named her vajajay Shelly? Was it something like "little Shelly" at least?

/ Shelly
 
2013-09-10 10:08:06 AM

someonelse: philotech: someonelse: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So, she recanted in order to save him and his needs.  Not abused spouse behavior at all.

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Agrees.

Apparently the fact that the POLICE found NO GUN at the scene bears no weight at all.

It doesn't make either of these nutjobs any saner or less trashy, or their relationship any less twisted and pathetic, if that's what you're asking. Ooooh, their domestic dispute didn't involve a gun! Let's elect the fat stupid man mayor of Gun Safetyville!


My point was that it's not abused wife behavior to recant in the face of evidence...
 
2013-09-10 10:08:14 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.

I guess his lie didn't count?

"I was looking for an address" *camera turns to show house with clearly visible address*

Opps, there's another lie. That leaves the score at 2 - 2.

"He reached for the gun, I mean, he saw the gun, I mean, he covered my mouth and nose and beat me in the head and choked me and said some movie line about how I was going to die..."

Yeah, i think we might be dealing with two liars.

/Both sides are bad, so vote Shellie

it was dark as doom out there.

i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.
 
2013-09-10 10:08:22 AM

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.


I posted it three times already. Pay attention before you make false assumptions.
 
2013-09-10 10:09:15 AM

badhatharry: Martin was being followed by a cracker ass rapist and had to give him an ass whoopin'.


i see someone else paid attention to the things that rachel actually admitted.
 
2013-09-10 10:09:26 AM
The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater
 
2013-09-10 10:10:16 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater


Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.
 
2013-09-10 10:10:33 AM

steamingpile: Sybarite:

Well the better question is why wasn't she charged with making false statements to police?????

Because 911 operators aren't police.


You can still be charged with making a false report and I wouldn't be surprised if that happens here.
 
2013-09-10 10:10:46 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm


Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:24 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.

I posted it three times already. Pay attention before you make false assumptions.


And I just responded to it.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:49 AM

Magorn: They determined that the evidence that Zimmerman did NOT act in self defense when firing the bullet was not sufficent to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty and there are light years between those things.


what the fark are you talking about?  this sentence.  no sense does it make.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:50 AM

steamingpile: whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.

They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.


What report?  Certainly not in TFA.

If true, then they did an extraordinarily shiatty job of searching since even his attorney says he had his gun with him.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:58 AM

Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.


George would be proud of your loyalty. He's totally gonna sleep with you.
 
2013-09-10 10:12:05 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.


Then cite some of those, instead of the other crap, if you would.
 
2013-09-10 10:12:08 AM
But for lying, she wins a free hoodie!
 
2013-09-10 10:13:02 AM

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.


Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

Learn to read.
 
2013-09-10 10:13:32 AM

Magorn: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.

Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.


Ah, yes, another Self-Defense Creationist, who won't look at the actual evidence that Zimmerman acted in self-defense under the law as it applies everywhere in the United States because you just *KNOW*, in your deepest heart of hearts, that Zimmerman a vile racist who killed a defenseless 12 year old cherub who only wanted to get home.

Look, the entire resources of the State of Florida, backed up by the US Justice Department, went looking for evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of murder, or at least manslaughter, not to mention hate crimes (which is what the feds were looking at), and they came up with *NOTHING*.

Go watch the closing arguments of the trial again.  The defense put on an evidence-laden final argument.  The prosecution put on an emotion-laden final argument, largely devoid of any actual evidence.  It was pure character assassination, and the jury didn't buy it.

Neither should you.

Let it farkin' go.   It makes you look like an intellectually stunted person to keep hammering on this.  Admit you were wrong (to just yourself, if that's what it takes to preserve your pride), and move on.

Remember that the only reason this became a national story is because the Martin family hired a publicist who shopped the story, with blatant distortions of the facts, to the national media.  And you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
 
2013-09-10 10:14:42 AM

tricycleracer: biatches be trippin', amirite?


Word
 
2013-09-10 10:14:53 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.


Get a load of this guy thinking that self-admitted stats mean anything at all.
 
2013-09-10 10:15:04 AM

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.


Men's rights groups have been f*cking that chicken for years.
 
2013-09-10 10:16:12 AM

Magorn: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...


Seriously?  Physical injuries on Zimmerman.  Front and back of head.  End of story.

Magorn, I respect your opinions as a rule, but you're really walking way out on thin ice on this one.
 
2013-09-10 10:16:31 AM
frepnog:
i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Why can't allegedly intelligent people ever make a comment about their position without a bunch of name calling and idiocy? You're that starved for words to express yourself that the only thing yo ucan think to day is, "duh, you dumb" every time someone disagrees with you? Get a dictionary and read it. Make yourself a better person. As for the comment itself, I'm not taking up for an African-American. I'm being entertained/disgusted by the ridiculous notion that Trayvon Martin's past actions made him a violent thug, but Zimmerman's numerous interactions with police are all dismissible. I believe that many of you have taken that position because you are racists. So, I'm just here pointing it out.
 .
 
2013-09-10 10:16:36 AM

Mistymtnhop: Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.

George would be proud of your loyalty. He's totally gonna sleep with you.


Shelly and Trayvon are proud of yours. You're totally going to get that BBW/necro threesome you've always wanted!
 
2013-09-10 10:17:37 AM

frepnog: DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.

I guess his lie didn't count?

"I was looking for an address" *camera turns to show house with clearly visible address*

Opps, there's another lie. That leaves the score at 2 - 2.

"He reached for the gun, I mean, he saw the gun, I mean, he covered my mouth and nose and beat me in the head and choked me and said some movie line about how I was going to die..."

Yeah, i think we might be dealing with two liars.

/Both sides are bad, so vote Shellie
it was dark as doom out there.

i like you, you are at least constantly ignorant.  dude, it is absolutely ok to take up for a fellow african american, but at some point even you must admit the truth about a person - trayvon attacked zimmerman.  you know it, i know it, dogs know it, and at some point you either must admit the truth or continue to look a fool.


Based on their states of mind (Zimmerman not wanting the punk to get away and Martin wanting to escape the creepy cracker), my money is on Zimmerman grabbing Martin and getting beaten for it.
 
2013-09-10 10:17:48 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.

I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.

It's pretty well known dude. Look it up.


You can't teach him anything. Many have tried. He doubles down on his own ignorance every time.
 
2013-09-10 10:18:06 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: You were saying dumbfark?

I asked you to cite your claims, but if you need to call me names about it that's fine.

Here you are for starters:

http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

Oh, not THAT crap again.

"The survey did not consider the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning".

Talk about cherry-picking your stats.

Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.

Learn to read.


Except the stabbing, shooting, burning and choking sort?

Learn to read, indeed :)
 
2013-09-10 10:18:19 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Clearly states that the women admitted that in one-sided domestic violence situations, they were the lone perpetrator 70% of the time.

AND

That 28% of women vs 11% of men admitted to initiating domestic violence of ANY sort.


But women are liars, according to this very thread.
 
2013-09-10 10:18:36 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart:
More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.


You sound like a wife beater

Or someone who works in healthcare and sees the cdc reports.


Oh, anecdotal evidence. Well by all means, please continue.
 
2013-09-10 10:19:27 AM

PunGent: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Citation needed.

There's a reason we don't need as many battered men's shelters:  basic biology.


Not actually true you know.  I am a bit of an expert in this area as I used to help to run the Family Law Court in a Suburban DC county, and the statistics actually show that while women are batteredmore often than me, men are more likey to be severly injured or killed in a domestic violence situation, as women are much more likely than men to use a weapon.  It's not biology but sociology that accoonts for most of the disparate statistics.  mena are far less likely to recognize when they are being battered, and even if they do, they are exceedingly unlikely to seek outside help for it, owing to basic societal stigmas ("you let a GIRL beat you up? What kind of man are you?")
 
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