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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman's wife Shellie's 911 call to Lake Mary, Florida police. After saying he threatened him with a gun, she admits she never saw a gun   (examiner.com) divider line 474
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2013-09-10 09:42:37 AM

slayer199: I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here which I'm sure will inflame the fark masses.  Having been a police officer for a couple years, I've seen these stories go both ways.

Weren't they having marital troubles?  Isn't it possible that she embellished her story to get him out of the house?  I'm not saying one way or another what happened...that's why there's usually an investigation into these things.

If it was Joe Blow and not George Zimmerman we wouldn't be hearing about this.  I really don't know what happened in the house other than they had a heated argument...and odds are you don't know either.


And as a police officer, I'm also sure you've seen many women who've had the crap beat out of them turn around and refuse to press charges against the douche. That's also a good possibility.
 
2013-09-10 09:42:50 AM

give me doughnuts: Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.

You left out, "...and no convictions..."


Just like Casey Anthony, Robert Blake and Lizzie Borden. Sorry not stating the obvious.
 
2013-09-10 09:43:02 AM
I can't believe how easily people still get played in these threads.
 
2013-09-10 09:43:09 AM
biatches be trippin', amirite?
 
2013-09-10 09:43:41 AM

Carth: Odds of her writting a book? Something like "The True Story of George Zimmerman" or something similar?

I'm putting it at 1:3


"(If) I Did It, The Sequel"
 
2013-09-10 09:43:51 AM

frepnog: and to also not stick his dick in any more crazy.


To be fair, he is also a)crazy, and b)unable to see his dick beneath his gut. This is a distinct disadvantage.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:06 AM
Someone wants a book deal.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:06 AM

MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...


and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:30 AM

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.


Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:30 AM
Page 2 and no one's played the misogyny card yet?
 
2013-09-10 09:45:06 AM

dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.


I think you should get a refund on your law degree from whatever cable TV series you got it from.
 
2013-09-10 09:45:21 AM

Nabb1: That's not hearsay. She can testify what words he used to threaten her because he is not an out-of-court declarant and the testimony is not offered to establish the truth of the matter asserted, but as to the utterance of a threat.


Okay, maybe I didn't use the best choice of words possible. Perhaps I should rephrase:

Her testimony in court under oath that GZ threatened to force her to help him reenact the Trayvon Martin incident with her playing the role of TM would not be enough to convict him of aggravated assault. It might help her in the civil (divorce) trial, depending on the standard of evidence in that court, but to render that testimony worthless in criminal court all GZ or his lawyer would have to do is ask for a video or audio recording of him actually threatening her ("sound bite or it didn't happen"). Without hard evidence that he actually threatened her with a gun, there's no way he could be convicted (and I doubt the prosecutors would even bother going about with the trial if all they had to work with was her word, even if her word would be worth more than hearsay).

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Princess Ryans Knickers: Doesn't matter whether she saw the gun. As far as the court is concerned, it only matters that she was threatened.


max_pooper: One does not have to be in current possession of a firearm to commit a crime of threatening a person with use of a firearm.

"biatch, if you don't shut your mouth I'm ganna shoot you  like I shot that kid"


This is true. Like I said earlier, the victim has to reasonably believe that the aggressor is willing and able to carry out the threat. If George Zimmerman tells someone that he's gonna go full Trayvon on them, they should reasonably believe that he's gonna do it at some point, even if he's wearing naught but a speedo when he says it.
 
2013-09-10 09:45:46 AM

MFAWG: Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.

It's only a matter of time, Dude is going to snap at some point, and sooner rather than later.


Being railroaded for two years for politics will do that. Being called racist based on no actual facts and counter to actual facts by mainstream medua will do that. Being threatened every day of your life despite innocence will do that.

This man had his life ruined by the media, race victimization advocates, and even the president despite the facts and a finding of the jury.

Anybody would snap.
 
2013-09-10 09:46:40 AM

give me doughnuts: Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.

You left out, "...and no convictions..."


Trayvon Martin was never convicted of anything but that didn't stop some of the pro Zimmerman folks from making him out to be a major league criminal who was out buying drug supplies the night of his death.
 
2013-09-10 09:46:40 AM

Cataholic: Page 2 and no one's played the misogyny card yet?


The race and gun cards are good for pages 1-5
 
2013-09-10 09:46:57 AM

badhatharry: I have a theory. She might be the start of all this trouble. Zimmerman is a henpecked man. He is struggling to find his manhood. That's why he wants to be a cop and overzealous neighborhood watchman. He wants to be a hero and prove his manhood. Now he has some fame, or infamy, and doesn't want to take her crap anymore.


This too.  George gave her his youth, his looks, his world.  She just took and took and took until George was out at night patrolling the neighborhood to get away from her.  She's really to blame for this, and also Traylon Martin who jumped on George for absolutely no reason and wailed on him like a savage jungle beast.
 
2013-09-10 09:47:11 AM

frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.


Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...
 
2013-09-10 09:47:28 AM

LasersHurt: Slaxl: How many times is this guy going to be accused of a crime with a gun only to be cleared when the evidence is examined? I'm guessing 3. These things happen in threes.

It's a shame how he has been powerless and had no part in these situations he keeps finding himself in where this dumb shiat happens.


It's Florida, Jake :)
 
2013-09-10 09:47:54 AM

MFAWG: Elegy: I'm sure all the people that stopped in yesterday to say that this incident was a part of a greater pattern of Zimmerman picking up a penis substitute and threatening people with it will stop back in today to apologize and tell us how wrong they were, and how their emotions led them to leap to a false conclusion.

Then again, probably not, so I'll just have to be twice as smug as I would otherwise be about saying "I told you so."

I told you so.

It's only a matter of time, Dude is going to snap at some point, and sooner rather than later.


Daily reminder that you're a welcher and never paid up on our bet.

You are the lowest sort of person.
 
2013-09-10 09:48:52 AM

Magorn: Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him. Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities. Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.


"we don't need you to do that"
"ok" and could be clearly heard to stop running and breathing normalized.

you are an idiot willfully ignorant of the facts.  fact is that zimmerman was not convicted because there was no evidence that he committed a crime and ample evidence that he was defending himself from an attacker.

I am not telling you to start supporting Zimmerman, but defending Trayvon is a stupid idea.  Travyon attacked the man because he was, in fact, a gangsta wanna be thug.  his actions, his telephone, his friend rachel, his own parents, his school confirm it.  Face it.
 
2013-09-10 09:49:10 AM

Magorn: frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.

Assume trayvon survived the incident.  Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.  I mena clearly he deserves the same benefit of the doubt Zimmerman does,  in reaching that conclusion right?  Go on I'll wait-any evidence at all...


The only evidence of assault was Trayvon hitting Zimmerman. There was no evidence the other way besides the gun shot. If someone is not fighting back as you hit them, that is assault.
 
2013-09-10 09:49:37 AM
Only knuckle-dragging misogynists believe that women sometimes make bogus allegations against men.
 
2013-09-10 09:49:41 AM

Magorn: it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so


Why you gotta be hatin' on police officers?
 
2013-09-10 09:49:57 AM

frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.


based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....
 
2013-09-10 09:50:06 AM

doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.


More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.
 
2013-09-10 09:50:21 AM

Latinwolf: give me doughnuts: Uranus Is Huge!: If I was in Florida and I saw George Zimmerman, I would assume he's carrying. Because if I was a paranoid unaccredited law enforcement enthusiast with violent tendencies and a vigilante streak, I would be carrying.

You left out, "...and no convictions..."

Trayvon Martin was never convicted of anything but that didn't stop some of the pro Zimmerman folks from making him out to be a major league criminal who was out buying drug supplies the night of his death.


Fact.  Treyzon "Grimace" Martin found with skittles and a fruity soda.  All you need to make purple drank is jolly ranchers, fruity soda, and the drugs.  This makes him clearly 1/3rd of the way to doing drugs.  Drugs!
 
2013-09-10 09:50:46 AM
Hard to tell who is lying in these situations, especially when the parties are a killer with a history of violence or a dumb biatch who married a killer with a history of violence.
 
2013-09-10 09:50:51 AM

Cataholic: Page 2 and no one's played the misogyny card yet?


The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

Women are nuts like that. I had an ex pull that crap on me once.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:03 AM

Magorn: Give what a rest? Verdicts don;t change facts.  Fact is a teenage boy is dead and Zimmerman killed him.  Further fact is that the incident could have been entirely avoided if Zimmerman had done what he was told by competent law enforcement authorities.  Final fact is that the Zimmerman was not criminally convicted for his action because it was impossible to prove what happened that night beyond a reasonable doubt because the only other eyewitness to the entire altercation was dead by Zimmerman's hand.

from these facts it is entirely reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman is, like most of his supporters the exact sort of angry emotional  man-infant that makes me support gun control generally because it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so.


Killing someone is legalized in certain situations, war or armed conflicts typically its legal; self defense is another time it's legal.

They determined he didn't kill Martin illegally, that he did it in self defense.

Get over it already.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:26 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.


I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:32 AM
 
2013-09-10 09:51:53 AM

Carth: max_pooper: One does not have to be in current possession of a firearm to commit a crime of threatening a person with use of a firearm.

"biatch, if you don't shut your mouth I'm ganna shoot you  like I shot that kid"

It is the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony in most states.


Florida is not one of those states. The threat itself is enough, especially if the person who makes the threat to fatally shoot someone actually has fatally shot someone in the past and references that past shooting when making the threat.
 
2013-09-10 09:52:00 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So, she recanted in order to save him and his needs.  Not abused spouse behavior at all.


Oh, it could well be abused spouse behavior.  Which is part of what makes these cases such a joy for law enforcement, lawyers, and child protective services...
 
2013-09-10 09:52:05 AM

Farce-Side: Magorn: it has been my experience that most of the people who WANT to carry guns are precisely the same people I do not trust to do so

Why you gotta be hatin' on police officers?


Have you met most cops?  I worked with hundreds of them on their side in PG county courts, and against them doing criminal defense work in Cook County, and the number of them I trust or consider to be honest, law-abiding citizens of sober character and good judgment I could fit on one hand
 
2013-09-10 09:52:24 AM

King Something: If George Zimmerman tells someone that he's gonna go full Trayvon on them, they should reasonably believe that he's gonna do it at some point, even if he's wearing naught but a speedo when he says it.


It's far too early for that visual.
 
2013-09-10 09:53:27 AM
"Gun was not shown" =/= "there was no gun."

Zimmerman's own attorney has already stated that he did have a gun but that it wasn't shown.

FTA: "Later, during an interview on CNN, O'Mara admitted Zimmerman did have a gun on him, but 'He never took the weapon out.'"

I'm also pretty darn sure one can imply that I'm going to shoot you without ever showing you a gun.
 
2013-09-10 09:53:34 AM

Magorn: Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.


had trayvon not been shot, the police would have arrested him on felony assault charges based on the fact that he attacked the man and based on the fact that Zimmerman had injuries that shown that he had been attacked and eyewitness statements that placed trayvon on top of zimmerman, and the forensic evidence on the clothing that clearly showed that trayvon had been straddling the man.  Don't be a fool.

the cops were about 1 minute away when trayvon was shot.  had he not been shot, cops would have dragged trayvon off Zimmerman and cuffed him.
 
2013-09-10 09:54:43 AM

someonelse: basemetal: So he stuck his dick in crazy too?

In this case, crazy fatty A stuck his dick into crazy fatty B.


I just know I'm going to regret asking this....but are there any kids?

Because, you know, I'd like to mentally prepare myself for another generation of Zimmerman Jr. stories coming down the pike...
 
2013-09-10 09:54:45 AM

Magorn: frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.

based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....


Good thing our system doesn't convict based on charges but evidence. Imagine how happy prosecutors and dictators would be to have your desired level of evidence, being charged equals conviction.
 
2013-09-10 09:55:24 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.

I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.


http://www.bust.com/women-more-often-the-aggressors-in-domestic-violen ce.html

You were saying dumbfark?
 
2013-09-10 09:55:51 AM

Magorn: frepnog: Magorn: That in no way clears him. Zimmerman to Wife " I'm going to shoot you dead", that's a threat, and one she should call 911 for, she doesn;t need to see the gun because it isn;t like she doesn;t know, as all America does, that he has one. The fact that he's bluffing could be a fact known only to him. This is why we have the separate crimes of assault and battery. Battery is when you actually DO hurt someone. Assault is when you make a credible threat to do the same

she lied, dude.  accept it.

based on...?  I mean other than your need to believe that a man with prior domestic violence charges, Charges of attacking a cop, and charges of murdering a teenager, is some sort of upstanding citizen and modern-day saint with absolutely no anger control issues....


Zimmerman is either a criminal mastermind that gets away with multiple crimes, or a simple man that keeps getting shiat dumped in his lap.

since he has yet to be actually convicted of any crimes and is obviously no criminal mastermind, what the fark do you think, dude?
 
2013-09-10 09:56:02 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.


This is now a men's rights thread. The dankest depths of the non-scat-pr0n regions of the Internet. Proceed at your own peril.
 
2013-09-10 09:56:11 AM

QueenMamaBee: slayer199: I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here which I'm sure will inflame the fark masses.  Having been a police officer for a couple years, I've seen these stories go both ways.

Weren't they having marital troubles?  Isn't it possible that she embellished her story to get him out of the house?  I'm not saying one way or another what happened...that's why there's usually an investigation into these things.

If it was Joe Blow and not George Zimmerman we wouldn't be hearing about this.  I really don't know what happened in the house other than they had a heated argument...and odds are you don't know either.

And as a police officer, I'm also sure you've seen many women who've had the crap beat out of them turn around and refuse to press charges against the douche. That's also a good possibility.


She's already moved out. God, y'all just love making up these hypotheticals.
 
2013-09-10 09:56:22 AM

whatsupchuck: For the police to have found a gun, they'd have to search for one first.

/fine police work there Lou, etc.


They did, read the report again, searched him, his bodyguard, and their car. No gun.
 
2013-09-10 09:56:24 AM

frepnog: Magorn: Explain to me what evidence could have been used to convict him of attacking George Zimmerman, or initiating the altercation.

had trayvon not been shot, the police would have arrested him on felony assault charges based on the fact that he attacked the man and based on the fact that Zimmerman had injuries that shown that he had been attacked and eyewitness statements that placed trayvon on top of zimmerman, and the forensic evidence on the clothing that clearly showed that trayvon had been straddling the man.  Don't be a fool.

the cops were about 1 minute away when trayvon was shot.  had he not been shot, cops would have dragged trayvon off Zimmerman and cuffed him.


Or at the least had he lived through the shot
 
2013-09-10 09:56:34 AM

Rapmaster2000: badhatharry: I have a theory. She might be the start of all this trouble. Zimmerman is a henpecked man. He is struggling to find his manhood. That's why he wants to be a cop and overzealous neighborhood watchman. He wants to be a hero and prove his manhood. Now he has some fame, or infamy, and doesn't want to take her crap anymore.

This too.  George gave her his youth, his looks, his world.  She just took and took and took until George was out at night patrolling the neighborhood to get away from her.  She's really to blame for this, and also Traylon Martin who jumped on George for absolutely no reason and wailed on him like a savage jungle beast.


She's not to blame for Trayvon getting killed. That would be Trayvon's fault for jumping the wrong guy.
 
2013-09-10 09:56:45 AM

LasersHurt: The more you eat the more you fart: doglover: The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.

More than 70% of domestic violence situations are initiated by the woman.

Men are blamed for 90+%.

Women openly admit to lying to police about who struck first because they know they will get away with it.

This situation is no different.

If the woman is found to be lying as in a vast majority of cases, SHE should be thrown in jail.

I love how well cited and not at all ridiculous this is.


It's pretty well known dude. Look it up.
 
2013-09-10 09:57:13 AM

frepnog: MFAWG: frepnog: lordjupiter: Yeah no reason to believe the poster boy for shooting people and getting away with it would have a gun somewhere.

he didn't get away with anything.  he was acquitted of a baseless charge for which there was no evidence.

Well, other than the gun and dead kid. But other than that...

and the ample evidence of self-defense.  a dead body does not equal a crime.  trayvon attacked him, it was clear at the scene, and it was why he was acquitted.  shame that trayvon can not in good conscious be used as a martyr, but facts are funny that way.


What happened before Trayvon Martin attacked out of the clear blue sky? Care to summarize that sequence of events in your own words?

I will: George Zimmerman chased him, first in a car, and then on foot. BTW, that's what George Zimmerman says happened, too.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:06 AM
frepnog:

Zimmerman is either a criminal mastermind that gets away with multiple crimes, or a simple man that keeps getting shiat dumped in his lap.

Exactly.  Like most things in life, this is clearly a True Dichotomy.  It is one thing or it is the other thing.  It couldn't possibly be a combination of things or some other third thing altogether.

I took Logic in the Army.  I'm not dumb.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:12 AM

Latinwolf: dittybopper: RoyBatty: Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.

Especially when you consider that if he gets put under a restraining order, he's not allowed to possess a firearm under federal law.  And that puts him in much more danger than the typical person, because there is a significant (though small) fraction of the population that wants him dead, because "Justice for Trayvon".

If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.

So you're advocating that people should be liable for manslaughter even if they are not present when the incident occurred but a guy actually pulling a trigger and actually another guy should not be charged with anything.
Gun advocate logic at it's finest.



The below information has been copied directly the source dittybopper used, please read carefully:

"TheDomestic Violence Offender Gun Ban ...which bans access to firearms by people  convicted of crimes of domestic violence. "

"The definition of 'convicted' can be found in the chapter 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) and has exceptions:
(33) (B)
(i) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter, unless-
(I) the person was represented by counsel in the case, or knowingly and intelligently waived the right to counsel in the case; and
(II) in the case of a prosecution for an offense described in this paragraph for which a person was entitled to a jury trial in the jurisdiction in which the case was tried, either
(aa) the case was tried by a jury, or
(bb) the person knowingly and intelligently waived the right to have the case tried by a jury, by guilty plea or otherwise.
(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms."


Restraining orders do not require a trial, a jury or legal defense and can be obtained by anyone who can tell a convincing lie to the judge.  As these things do not constitute a conviction, they cannot be used to stop you from owning and carrying a fire-arm (as far as Federal Law is concerned).
 
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