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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman's wife Shellie's 911 call to Lake Mary, Florida police. After saying he threatened him with a gun, she admits she never saw a gun   (examiner.com) divider line 474
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2013-09-10 04:51:09 AM
Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.
 
2013-09-10 05:16:39 AM
How many times is this guy going to be accused of a crime with a gun only to be cleared when the evidence is examined? I'm guessing 3. These things happen in threes.
 
2013-09-10 06:31:38 AM
JUSTICE 4 SHELLIE
 
2013-09-10 07:06:01 AM
The fairer sex, as in there's always a fair chance they're lying.
 
2013-09-10 07:06:05 AM
Color me white-hispanic.
 
2013-09-10 07:14:48 AM
Convicted liar doing what she does best?

He really knows how to surround himself with all the right people and situations.
 
2013-09-10 07:29:28 AM
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2013-09-10 07:35:52 AM

RoyBatty: Additionally, the police said they found no gun at the scene of the altercation between George Zimmerman and the two family members.

False accusations of threats of domestic violence in divorce cases.

Women, don't do that.


Especially when you consider that if he gets put under a restraining order, he's not allowed to possess a firearm under federal law.  And that puts him in much more danger than the typical person, because there is a significant (though small) fraction of the population that wants him dead, because "Justice for Trayvon".

If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.
 
2013-09-10 07:41:45 AM

Nabb1: JUSTICE 4 SHELLIE


Heh,

I wonder what her Fark handle is.
 
2013-09-10 07:42:24 AM
hinten:
He really knows how to surround himself with all the right people and situations.

Really vindicates my opinion of him.  While I believe the verdict was proper, the guy's a real schmuck all around.
 
2013-09-10 07:53:37 AM
Yay! Another Zimmerman AW thread! I've been missing those.
 
2013-09-10 07:57:18 AM

dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.



Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.
 
2013-09-10 08:04:01 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.


Interesting interpretation of the law you've got there.
 
2013-09-10 08:06:44 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.


No, he can't.

Unless, of course, she has him pinned to the ground and is bashing his head into the concrete.  Then of course he could shoot her, because the law in every farkin' state in the Union allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself under those circumstances.  Even in the minority of so-called "duty to retreat" states.
 
2013-09-10 08:11:03 AM

Slaxl: How many times is this guy going to be accused of a crime with a gun only to be cleared when the evidence is examined? I'm guessing 3. These things happen in threes.


It's a shame how he has been powerless and had no part in these situations he keeps finding himself in where this dumb shiat happens.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 08:18:42 AM
Because People in power are Stupid:
Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

Well, legally anyway.
 
2013-09-10 08:19:13 AM

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: If she knowingly lied about him using a gun and used that to get a restraining order against him, and he was subsequently killed because he wasn't allowed to carry a firearm anymore (at least until the RO was lifted), I think there would be a damned good case for manslaughter against her.  Certainly better than the murder case against Zimmerman.


Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

No, he can't.

Unless, of course, she has him pinned to the ground and is bashing his head into the concrete.  Then of course he could shoot her, because the law in every farkin' state in the Union allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself under those circumstances.  Even in the minority of so-called "duty to retreat" states.


So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)
 
2013-09-10 08:31:14 AM
"threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.
 
2013-09-10 08:32:12 AM
Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.
 
2013-09-10 08:33:08 AM

unlikely: "threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.


Ah, but guns are made out of metal, which is heavy, and you don't record heavy metal in doubly.
 
2013-09-10 08:33:29 AM
So he stuck his dick in crazy too?
 
2013-09-10 08:39:08 AM

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid:
Do you think he feels threatened by her? If he does, he can morally and legally shoot her.

Well, legally anyway.


No, that's not how it works. There must be a threat of imminent bodily harm.
 
2013-09-10 08:40:13 AM
I'm going to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here which I'm sure will inflame the fark masses.  Having been a police officer for a couple years, I've seen these stories go both ways.

Weren't they having marital troubles?  Isn't it possible that she embellished her story to get him out of the house?  I'm not saying one way or another what happened...that's why there's usually an investigation into these things.

If it was Joe Blow and not George Zimmerman we wouldn't be hearing about this.  I really don't know what happened in the house other than they had a heated argument...and odds are you don't know either.
 
2013-09-10 08:50:00 AM

basemetal: So he stuck his dick in crazy too?


Yeah, about that:  "Don't stick your dick in crazy" excludes both straight women and gay men by definition.  So you're left with lesbians, who don't want it, and what else?  Sheep?
 
2013-09-10 08:50:05 AM
He threatened her with a gun = she reached for a bag of potato chips.  It's pretty much the same thing, and she was really reaching.
 
2013-09-10 08:50:31 AM
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Q&D before work. Could've trimmed off the the uncanny parts but it's extra horrifying that way.
 
2013-09-10 08:53:26 AM
♪ ♫
We love you Zimmerman
Oh yes we do
We love you Zimmerman
And we'll be true
When people question your motivations and call you a dangerous nutjob and insinuate that maybe you're a horrible person to be around
We're blue
Oh Georgie, we love you
♪ ♫
 
2013-09-10 08:54:15 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Q&D before work. Could've trimmed off the the uncanny parts but it's extra horrifying that way.


Is that a psychotic Oompaloompa?
 
2013-09-10 08:55:24 AM

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.


Let me just get this clear. On every single "somebody has shot something" thread - you are on here defending the shooter. So... you are asking me to give it a rest?
 
2013-09-10 08:59:29 AM

Nabb1: Because People in power are Stupid: Q&D before work. Could've trimmed off the the uncanny parts but it's extra horrifying that way.

Is that a psychotic Oompaloompa?


White people don't tan so well. (gotta go to work)
 
2013-09-10 09:05:04 AM
Well, she lied to help him.  And now she lied to hurt him.

I think...maybe...she might be a liar.
 
2013-09-10 09:06:45 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Nabb1: Because People in power are Stupid: Q&D before work. Could've trimmed off the the uncanny parts but it's extra horrifying that way.

Is that a psychotic Oompaloompa?

White people don't tan so well. (gotta go to work)


I just burn and peel. That's why I apply SPF 50 with a putty knife.
 
2013-09-10 09:09:56 AM
O'Mara's little gathering with the local press over this yesterday was pretty bad.  What he was saying was technically correct, but he said it really poorly.

"Do you mean you people think that just because a guy makes horrible choices and has terrible judgement, that he should be denied his 2nd amendment rights?"

I'm paraphrasing, of course.  But not by much.
 
2013-09-10 09:14:53 AM
More imbibe? Holy Fark I don't know if I can survive this man. I'd like to outlive him. He seems like a real asshole.
 
2013-09-10 09:16:42 AM

unlikely: "threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.


Thing is, though, threatening with a gun (like by saying "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," for instance) is a felony under Florida law. It's called Aggravated Assault and carries a maximum 5-year prison sentence (as opposed to Simple Assault, which is when you threaten someone but don't threaten to use deadly force, such as by saying something like "I'mma slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo")

I have to double-check the details on the law (and am currently too lazy to do it right this decade), but I'm fairly certain that the victim has to reasonably believe that the threat is in earnest and that the aggressor is willing and able to carry out the threat -- if someone tells you they're gonna slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo, it doesn't count as assault if the verbal exchange is over PSN while playing Grand Theft Auto online but does count as assault if the conversation is face-to-face and that person is carrying (or could reasonably be believed to be carrying) a giant purple dildo twice the size of a hoagie. Likewise, if someone tells you "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," it's not aggravated assault if it's via the headset while playing GTA but is if the conversation is in person -- and, as you sad, doubly so if the person threatening you is George Zimmerman.

Of course, there's no way he'd be convicted in criminal court on just hearsay. She would have had to have recorded him actually saying those words (or words to that effect) in order to meet the "reasonable doubt" standard, otherwise it's just he-said-she-said in a divorce trial.
 
2013-09-10 09:19:43 AM
I wonder what caused all this undue strain on their relationship.....
 
2013-09-10 09:20:54 AM

Makh: He threatened her with a gun = she reached for a bag of potato chips.  It's pretty much the same thing, and she was really reaching.


He pulls a gun, you pull a bag of potato chips. It's the Florida way.
 
2013-09-10 09:21:39 AM
♪♫♪ Stand by your man
Until the verdict's rendered... ♪♫♪
 
2013-09-10 09:21:53 AM
So, she recanted in order to save him and his needs.  Not abused spouse behavior at all.
 
2013-09-10 09:22:03 AM
Firs of all, women named Shellie aren't to be trusted. Secondly, just look at her. She oozes low class white trash all day long.
 
2013-09-10 09:22:27 AM

Sybarite:


Well the better question is why wasn't she charged with making false statements to police?????

Because 911 operators aren't police.
 
2013-09-10 09:22:35 AM

nekom: hinten:
He really knows how to surround himself with all the right people and situations.

Really vindicates my opinion of him.  While I believe the verdict was proper, the guy's a real schmuck all around.


To paraphrase: He's not guilty, he's just an asshole.
 
2013-09-10 09:22:41 AM

King Something: unlikely: "threatened with a gun" is not the same as "saw a gun"

"I might have to just TRAYVON your ass" is threatening with a gun. Coming from him, it'd be doubly so, and doubly menacing.

Thing is, though, threatening with a gun (like by saying "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," for instance) is a felony under Florida law. It's called Aggravated Assault and carries a maximum 5-year prison sentence (as opposed to Simple Assault, which is when you threaten someone but don't threaten to use deadly force, such as by saying something like "I'mma slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo")

I have to double-check the details on the law (and am currently too lazy to do it right this decade), but I'm fairly certain that the victim has to reasonably believe that the threat is in earnest and that the aggressor is willing and able to carry out the threat -- if someone tells you they're gonna slap you upside the head with a giant purple dildo, it doesn't count as assault if the verbal exchange is over PSN while playing Grand Theft Auto online but does count as assault if the conversation is face-to-face and that person is carrying (or could reasonably be believed to be carrying) a giant purple dildo twice the size of a hoagie. Likewise, if someone tells you "I might have to just TRAYVON your ass," it's not aggravated assault if it's via the headset while playing GTA but is if the conversation is in person -- and, as you sad, doubly so if the person threatening you is George Zimmerman.

Of course, there's no way he'd be convicted in criminal court on just hearsay. She would have had to have recorded him actually saying those words (or words to that effect) in order to meet the "reasonable doubt" standard, otherwise it's just he-said-she-said in a divorce trial.


That's not hearsay. She can testify what words he used to threaten her because he is not an out-of-court declarant and the testimony is not offered to establish the truth of the matter asserted, but as to the utterance of a threat.
 
2013-09-10 09:22:41 AM
Doesn't matter whether she saw the gun. As far as the court is concerned, it only matters that she was threatened.
 
2013-09-10 09:23:28 AM

slayer199: Weren't they having marital troubles?


That's putting it kind of mildly.

She also wants him to take out a permanent life insurance policy on himself listing her as the sole beneficiary as a part of the divorce settlement. That seems pretty close to her hoping he gets killed so she can cash in.
 
2013-09-10 09:23:34 AM

basemetal: So he stuck his dick in crazy too?


In this case, crazy fatty A stuck his dick into crazy fatty B.
 
2013-09-10 09:23:45 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid:
So maybe he should start following her around until she defends herself... that way he can blow her away.  (It's fun to kill people.)

Give it a rest.  It's neither an intelligent argument, nor is it funny anymore due to constant repetition.  All it does is make the rest of us think that you are one of the people in power.

Let me just get this clear. On every single "somebody has shot something" thread - you are on here defending the shooter. So... you are asking me to give it a rest?


You ask questions like one of the people in power
 
2013-09-10 09:23:46 AM
Odds of her writting a book? Something like "The True Story of George Zimmerman" or something similar?

I'm putting it at 1:3
 
2013-09-10 09:24:12 AM
One does not have to be in current possession of a firearm to commit a crime of threatening a person with use of a firearm.

"biatch, if you don't shut your mouth I'm ganna shoot you  like I shot that kid"
 
2013-09-10 09:24:13 AM
What's wrong with this country? A white man is supposed to have the freedom to go for his gat at the slightest provocation. It's in the constitution!
 
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