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(Guardian)   Obama's rogue state tramples over every law it demands others uphold   (theguardian.com) divider line 259
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2013-09-10 09:16:08 AM  
Blaming it all in Obama is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. The US has always held others to strict standards while giving ourselves a free pass to do as we will. Even within our boarders, we treat elite people and organizations differently than regular citizens. Essentially, hypocrisy is our preferred method of solving problems. The good news is that if you pay us enough cash we tend to look the other way while you get your freak on.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 09:28:56 AM  
In other news, Obama has been President for 67 years.
 
2013-09-10 09:31:26 AM  

vpb: In other news, Obama has been President for 67 years.


Obama's magical time machine strikes again
 
2013-09-10 09:35:37 AM  
Better a rogue state than a paladin state.
 
2013-09-10 09:38:12 AM  

gnosis301: Better a rogue state than a paladin state.


I dunno, we could probably use some basic healing spells right now.
 
2013-09-10 09:38:30 AM  

max_pooper: vpb: In other news, Obama has been President for 67 years.

Obama's magical time machine strikes again


The author once tried to carry out a "citizen's arrest" of John Bolton.

People like this are an embarrassment to the left.
 
2013-09-10 09:39:27 AM  
Gee, what an objective and unbiased analysis.


/ yes, that was sarcasm
 
2013-09-10 09:40:02 AM  
The World Police have to crack a few eggs in order to make the Freedom Omelet.
 
2013-09-10 09:40:07 AM  

incendi: gnosis301: Better a rogue state than a paladin state.

I dunno, we could probably use some basic healing spells right now.


Although, we were doing pretty well putting all our skill points into sneak and backstab, till we whiffed that saving roll vs. Snowden.
 
2013-09-10 09:40:43 AM  
A Brit lecturing America on violent imperialist adventurism?

Did the Irony Tag disintegrate?
 
2013-09-10 09:41:29 AM  

incendi: gnosis301: Better a rogue state than a paladin state.

I dunno, we could probably use some basic healing spells right now.


For healing spells I'd suggest a cleric state, but I hate theocracies.
 
2013-09-10 09:42:11 AM  
Uh oh. Someone invoked His name in a negative manner. This thread should be full of indignant petulance.

Is everything Obama's fault? Not even remotely. Has he done a single goddamn thing to change the way we do business? Absolutely not. While I agree that the blame is spread over a large number of administrations, the Obama administration is anything but blameless.
 
2013-09-10 09:42:28 AM  
If BOB would just say what the teleprompters tell him to say, Syria wouldn't be an issue. Shut up and read BOB, just shut up an read.
 
2013-09-10 09:42:32 AM  

give me doughnuts: Gee, what an objective and unbiased analysis.


What are his inaccuracies ?  He says nothing controversial for 90%  of the world.

Wooly Bully: The author once tried to carry out a "citizen's arrest" of John Bolton.

People like this are an embarrassment to the left.


Just because he tried to arrest Colonel Mustard does not mean it's not a good article.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:43 AM  

incendi: incendi: gnosis301: Better a rogue state than a paladin state.

I dunno, we could probably use some basic healing spells right now.

Although, we were doing pretty well putting all our skill points into sneak and backstab, till we whiffed that saving roll vs. Snowden.


i715.photobucket.com
Story of my life.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:45 AM  
I was just thinking how utterly absurd our accusations against China re: hacking/spying sound in light of our NSA shenanigans.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:51 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: A Brit lecturing America on violent imperialist adventurism?

Did the Irony Tag disintegrate?


From the British comic Jimmy Carr:

'The best thing about being British is our ability to laugh at ourselves. And by "ourselves" I mean others and by "laugh at" I mean invade.'
 
2013-09-10 09:44:58 AM  
Rogue state?  What about the other 56?

//I sound tired, Bill.
 
2013-09-10 09:45:43 AM  

mod3072: the Obama administration is anything but blameless.


New boss, same as the old boss.
Stooges, all of them, including Obama.
 
2013-09-10 09:46:25 AM  

mod3072: Uh oh. Someone invoked His name in a negative manner. This thread should be full of indignant petulance.

Is everything Obama's fault? Not even remotely. Has he done a single goddamn thing to change the way we do business? Absolutely not. While I agree that the blame is spread over a large number of administrations, the Obama administration is anything but blameless.


This article put plenty of blame on previous administrations as well. It wasn't a 'Obama is the 'antichrist' article. It did expose him for being a hypocrite (which he is).

Still, the Guardian will always have a chip on their shoulder about America. But it is pretty official now. Obama is just as hated as Bush abroad.  Obama did not unify the world. He only further alienated it.
 
2013-09-10 09:47:20 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I was just thinking how utterly absurd our accusations against China re: hacking/spying sound in light of our NSA shenanigans.


Right, because having the ability to collect massive amounts of data, but not doing it is exactly the same as running a dictatorship of thought and imprisoning political opponents who openly speak out against the government online.
 
2013-09-10 09:47:30 AM  

mod3072: Uh oh. Someone invoked His name in a negative manner. This thread should be full of indignant petulance.

Is everything Obama's fault? Not even remotely. Has he done a single goddamn thing to change the way we do business? Absolutely not. While I agree that the blame is spread over a large number of administrations, the Obama administration is anything but blameless.


You took a promising post with the first 2 sentences and flushed it down the crapper with the following 2.

Whar torture whar?  Plenty of other examples.

A better post would have been: "I am very unhappy with Obama and some of the Bush-era policies he's maintaining", but to say he hasn't improved anything is intellectually dishonest.

C'mon, you're better than that, right?
 
2013-09-10 09:48:37 AM  

jakomo002: give me doughnuts: Gee, what an objective and unbiased analysis.

What are his inaccuracies ? He says nothing controversial for 90% of the world.


You'll note I mentioned "bias" and "objectivity" rather than addressing factual content.
You can be 100% factual and still slant and cherry-pick to make your subject look a villain.
 
2013-09-10 09:48:45 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: A Brit lecturing America on violent imperialist adventurism?

Did the Irony Tag disintegrate?


The British were good at it, that's the difference. They played local groups against each other like a violin. Everybody was so busy fighting the British just just walked in an took over. America does imperialism more like ancient Rome. We want everyone to be friends and make money and if you don't agree we're going to burn your house down and leave your cities in ruins.
 
2013-09-10 09:48:46 AM  

Weaver95: Blaming it all in Obama is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. The US has always held others to strict standards while giving ourselves a free pass to do as we will. Even within our boarders, we treat elite people and organizations differently than regular citizens. Essentially, hypocrisy is our preferred method of solving problems. The good news is that if you pay us enough cash we tend to look the other way while you get your freak on.


You say that like it isn't the international norm. Every single Nation on the planet operates the same way and has since the advent of Civilization. There are a few things that make the United States unique among the nations of the world and throughout history, it's self interested behavior when on the world stage, isn't one of them.
 
2013-09-10 09:50:11 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: New boss, same as the old boss.
Stooges, all of them, including Obama.


Someone wiser than I compared the US Presidency to the role of James Bond. Same role but with a new actor every once in a while.  He's not the director or scriptwriter or producer, he just reads his lines.

The important thing is continuity.
 
2013-09-10 09:50:15 AM  

Brick-House: If BOB would just say what the teleprompters tell him to say, Syria wouldn't be an issue. Shut up and read BOB, just shut up an read.


Who the hell is Bob? Is someone having a senior moment?
 
2013-09-10 09:50:32 AM  

Outrageous Muff: HotWingConspiracy: I was just thinking how utterly absurd our accusations against China re: hacking/spying sound in light of our NSA shenanigans.

Right, because having the ability to collect massive amounts of data, but not doing it is exactly the same as running a dictatorship of thought and imprisoning political opponents who openly speak out against the government online.


Of course that's not what I was talking about, but you knew that. Or you should have, you quoted what I posted. Do you feel better?
 
2013-09-10 09:51:16 AM  

give me doughnuts: incendi: gnosis301: Better a rogue state than a paladin state.

I dunno, we could probably use some basic healing spells right now.

For healing spells I'd suggest a cleric state, but I hate theocracies.


How about a ranger state? Maybe a bit unspecialized but you eventually get a good mix of utility and healing. We could all do with some survival and first aid skills.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:38 AM  

Blue_Blazer: Who the hell is Bob? Is someone having a senior moment?


President Possum Aloysius Jenkins
 
2013-09-10 09:51:57 AM  

Blue_Blazer: Brick-House: If BOB would just say what the teleprompters tell him to say, Syria wouldn't be an issue. Shut up and read BOB, just shut up an read.

Who the hell is Bob? Is someone having a senior moment?


It is his own pet acronym for Obama, presumably the B from Barack and Ob from Obama.  Someone should instruct him on how acronyms work.  Or maybe he should just stick to Freepville hack images.
 
2013-09-10 09:52:41 AM  
If you look closely enough at any superpower at any given time in history, you can find a litany of hypocritical and unethical actions.  Power corrupts.  Superpower corrupts super-ly.
 
2013-09-10 09:52:46 AM  

give me doughnuts: You'll note I mentioned "bias" and "objectivity" rather than addressing factual content.
You can be 100% factual and still slant and cherry-pick to make your subject look a villain.


OK that's fair.  Monbiot is definitely no flagwaver for ANY country.
 
2013-09-10 09:53:24 AM  
WP != Sarin

To say it is the same thing is to be wretchedly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.
 
2013-09-10 09:54:39 AM  

imontheinternet: If you look closely enough at any superpower at any given time in history, you can find a litany of hypocritical and unethical actions.  Power corrupts.  Superpower corrupts super-ly.


Be that as it may, the US likes to believe that we are different. That comfortable illusion can no longer be maintained.
 
2013-09-10 09:54:47 AM  

vygramul: WP != Sarin

To say it is the same thing is to be wretchedly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.


The convention doesn't treat them differently.
 
2013-09-10 09:54:59 AM  

Weaver95: Blaming it all in Obama is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. The US has always held others to strict standards while giving ourselves a free pass to do as we will. Even within our boarders, we treat elite people and organizations differently than regular citizens. Essentially, hypocrisy is our preferred method of solving problems. The good news is that if you pay us enough cash we tend to look the other way while you get your freak on.


I really, really don't like this march to war Obama is pushing, but shiat, we're in his second term and we haven't sent thousands of troops into the desert to die on false pretenses yet. At the very least, he's slower to do horrible things.
 
2013-09-10 09:56:11 AM  

vygramul: WP != Sarin

To say it is the same thing is to be wretchedly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.


According to the Convention on CW it qualifies.  Depleted Uranium rounds too, probably.
 
2013-09-10 09:57:42 AM  

Weaver95: Be that as it may, the US likes to believe that we are different. That comfortable illusion can no longer be maintained.


Maybe to a narrow segment of the US population but that's it.
 
2013-09-10 09:58:28 AM  

Bloody William: Weaver95: Blaming it all in Obama is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. The US has always held others to strict standards while giving ourselves a free pass to do as we will. Even within our boarders, we treat elite people and organizations differently than regular citizens. Essentially, hypocrisy is our preferred method of solving problems. The good news is that if you pay us enough cash we tend to look the other way while you get your freak on.

I really, really don't like this march to war Obama is pushing, but shiat, we're in his second term and we haven't sent thousands of troops into the desert to die on false pretenses yet. At the very least, he's slower to do horrible things.


I'd really like it if we could fix at least some of our more blatant affronts to decency, logic and ethics.
 
2013-09-10 09:59:34 AM  

Wooly Bully: From the British comic Jimmy Carr:

'The best thing about being British is our ability to laugh at ourselves. And by "ourselves" I mean others and by "laugh at" I mean invade.'


"I think deep down, this planet yearns for the days of the British Empire again. They long once more to be treated that badly, that politely. We did far worse things than you can possibly dream of, but we did it with that certainly gentlemanly swagger."
[A proper English gentleman courteously stomps through Africa a few hundred years ago]: "Dreadfully sorry, but we seem to have crushed your entire continent's infrastructure. Allow me to make it up to you by offering you a job 4,000 miles away. No, no, I insist."
featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com
 
2013-09-10 09:59:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: vygramul: WP != Sarin

To say it is the same thing is to be wretchedly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.

The convention doesn't treat them differently.


So it's legal to use sarin to generate a smoke screen?
 
2013-09-10 10:00:46 AM  

Bloody William: I really, really don't like this march to war Obama is pushing, but shiat, we're in his second term and we haven't sent thousands of troops into the desert to die on false pretenses yet. At the very least, he's slower to do horrible things.


He uses Flying Robots of Death.  Just killed 20 in Afghanistan...

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/nato-strike-kills9civ il iansafghanofficials.html
 
2013-09-10 10:01:10 AM  
This writer seems to have a chip on his shoulder against the entire UN security council.
 
2013-09-10 10:01:13 AM  
A bunch of dead and retired people did a bunch of horrible shiat in the past and you'd better mention that in every other sentence or any criticism of people actually doing horrible shiat right now means you're secretly Sarah Palin.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:04 AM  

Weaver95: Be that as it may, the US likes to believe that we are different. That comfortable illusion can no longer be maintained.


That's complicated really. In ways we *are* different, the problem occurs when national interests collide with our Espoused beliefs. In many ways the United States is akin to a Giant with multiple personality disorder. On one hand we're the beacon of democracy, the light of self governance where all humans (updated for modernity from "men") have inalienable rights, but on the other hand, we're a functioning Nation in a world filled with other nations, that requires security, economic stability and resources to assure them. While those two things are *not* mutually exclusive, they come to loggerheads on many occasions.
Egypt is a good example. We lauded the revolution that fought for self governance and more democracy, but weren't too thrilled when that lead to an Egyptian Government that was anti-west. How do you not be hypo-critical when faced with that choice?

The fact that necessity for survival dictates that the United States act hypocritically from time to time does not diminish the espoused beliefs and the incredible amount of good and liberty it has fostered the world over.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:08 AM  
First off, that author is 10 gallons of mad in a 5 gallon bucket.

Secondly, why list Obama's name when you're plainly pissed off at the status quo instead and Obama just happens to be the President at the moment.  Using his name is as relevant as Putin's or any other of the SC five.

Is the current situation fair?  No.  Is it going to change?  lol no.  If raging about it makes you feel better, mr author, go right ahead, but don't be expected to be taken seriously, especially when you think ONE man can get out there and change the world on his own against the inertia of a world's world of status quo.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:49 AM  

Infernalist: First off, that author is 10 gallons of mad in a 5 gallon bucket.

Secondly, why list Obama's name when you're plainly pissed off at the status quo instead and Obama just happens to be the President at the moment.  Using his name is as relevant as Putin's or any other of the SC five.

Is the current situation fair?  No.  Is it going to change?  lol no.  If raging about it makes you feel better, mr author, go right ahead, but don't be expected to be taken seriously, especially when you think ONE man can get out there and change the world on his own against the inertia of a world's worth of status quo.


ftfm
 
2013-09-10 10:03:25 AM  

Blue_Blazer: Brick-House: If BOB would just say what the teleprompters tell him to say, Syria wouldn't be an issue. Shut up and read BOB, just shut up an read.

Who the hell is Bob? Is someone having a senior moment?


Brack O Bama = BOB
 
2013-09-10 10:05:32 AM  

thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: vygramul: WP != Sarin

To say it is the same thing is to be wretchedly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.

The convention doesn't treat them differently.

So it's legal to use sarin to generate a smoke screen?


I don't think you'd find a commander that would want to do that, but maybe? If you weren't deploying it against people I guess you'd be ok.
 
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