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2013-09-10 02:09:02 PM
But wait, there's more....

Shellie told dispatchers that officers arrived and had their guns drawn. She said George was sitting in his car. Fearing George would start shooting, she told the dispatcher her and her father were going inside.
According to police, George was not in his car when they arrived but was standing in the yard. They say he was also very cooperative and allowed police to search his person.


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/lake-mary-police-ar e-now-calling-into-question-several-statements-shellie-zimmerman-made- to-911#ixzz2eVxp73H4
 
2013-09-10 02:09:58 PM

freak7: supayoda: Further, Zimmerman's own attorney has said in a video interview that Shellie never said she saw a gun. He also confirmed that Zimmerman did in fact have a gun on him.

Bullshiat, she says right on the 911 call that he's got his hand on his gun.


"He has his hand on his gun." =/= "He has his gun within view and is waving it around." He had his hands down and out of view while he was sitting in his truck-- where he did in fact have a gun. The police stated as much. His attorney stated as much. She even further explained that he had his hand where she had every reason to believe his gun would be.

Your interpretation of what she said is just that-- your interpretation. What she said is what she said.
 
2013-09-10 02:14:10 PM

freak7: But wait, there's more....

Shellie told dispatchers that officers arrived and had their guns drawn. She said George was sitting in his car. Fearing George would start shooting, she told the dispatcher her and her father were going inside.
According to police, George was not in his car when they arrived but was standing in the yard. They say he was also very cooperative and allowed police to search his person.



Because you can't be in your car one minute and step out of the car the next? This isn't a reasonable explanation? Wow...
 
2013-09-10 02:16:03 PM

supayoda: Your interpretation of what she said is just that-- your interpretation.


Perhaps you should listen to the 911 call and read the statements from police. Stop doing exactly what people did after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, ignoring facts in favor of wild speculations. In addition to lying about a gun, she also lied about her father being assaulted and what George was doing when police arrived. Those are the facts, I suggest you withhold further comment until after you take a few minutes to learn them.
 
2013-09-10 02:20:09 PM

supayoda: Because you can't be in your car one minute and step out of the car the next? This isn't a reasonable explanation? Wow...


Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? Shelly was still on the phone with 911 when the police rolled up. She told dispatch that the police had arrived and that George was in his vehicle. The police reported that when they arrived on scene, George was standing in the yard.

Think that through for a bit before you respond.
 
2013-09-10 02:25:19 PM

freak7: She also told 911 that George had punched her father in the face and that his nose looked like it had been broken. When the police showed up, they found no injuries to dad.

Pretty smart to lie to 911 when you're on probation for lying to a judge.


someone needs a timeout in county
 
2013-09-10 02:26:41 PM
She not only says that George punched her father, she says that her father has a "mark on his face".
 
2013-09-10 02:32:32 PM
1 PD: 911 do you need police, fire or medical?

We do have units en route to you ma'am. Is he still there?

Shellie Zimmerman: Yes he is and he is trying to shut the garage door on me.

PD: Is he inside now?

SZ: No, he is in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer and he is just threatening all of us.

PD: Step closer and what?

SZ: And he is doing to shoot us.

PD: OK.

SZ: He punched my dad on the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses were on the floor. He accosted my father and then took my iPad out of my hand and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. There is a Lake Mary city worker across the street that I believe saw almost all of it. He is sitting in his truck right now. He just showed up here but my phone died so I had to call from my father's phone. I'm really, really afraid.

PD: We have units in the area where you are at so just stay on the line with me.

SZ: I don't know what he is capable of. I'm just really scared.

PD: There are multiple units in the area. This is Shellie right? What phone number are you calling on now?... What is Zimmerman doing right now?

SZ: He is in his truck.

PD: Does he see them?

SZ: I'm sorry.

PD: Does he see them?

SZ: They are telling his bodyguard to get out of the way. Oh my God. Dad, get behind the car or something. I don't know if he is going to start shooting at us or not.

PD: Are you outside right now?

SZ: Yes we are. The police have there...Dad get inside the house. George might start shooting at us. I don't know. We are going inside the house. Oh my God

PD: Are you both inside right now?

SZ: Yup.

PD: Stay in there. Let the police take care of him.

SZ: He has got his hands in the air. He is not touching his weapon.

238 PD: Does your father need medical?

SZ: Dad do you need medical?....He says no, but I think he does need medical. He is shaken. He says he feels like he is going to have a heart attack. His nose. Yes you do because your nose looks like it could be broken. I think he should have a medical. If we could have an ambulance come.

PD: They won't be able to approach until the situation outside is secured.

SZ: Oh my God...Oh my God..

PD: You guys are safe inside, correct?

SZ: Yes.

PD: Shellie, you are doing really good. Ok this is a tough situation for anyone...stay on the line until our units can speak with you.

SZ: Ok.

339 PD: Are you OK? You said he did take something out of your hand. Do you need medical as well?

SZ: I don't think so. It's just shock.

PD: Ok. I'm going to get (inaudible) to respond.

SZ: Dad get inside right now.

PD: Make sure he stays inside until somebody comes and lets you know it's OK stay in touch.

PD: They can't come out to check out your father until they secure the scene.

PD: Ok Shellie take a couple deep breaths for me.

SZ: There is this women in there...Oh my God.
 
2013-09-10 02:33:57 PM

freak7: She not only says that George punched her father, she says that her father has a "mark on his face".


To be fair, maybe she was just worried about a potentially cancerous mole too.
 
2013-09-10 02:57:19 PM

supayoda: Millennium: supayoda: So again I ask... Are you guys saying that Zimmerman's attorney is lying?

My personal guess: O'Mara didn't know anything, and simply assumed that Zimmerman had a gun. Everyone knows that George Zimmerman carries a gun. Except, apparently, when he doesn't. I know I was surprised to hear that the police didn't find any guns. I suspect O'Mara was just as surprised.

That doesn't mean you can assume he's threatening you with a gun until he actually starts, you know, threatening you with a gun. There is a world of difference between a reasonable assumption and a legal accusation.

First off... O'Mara's statement is backed by both the recording of the 911 call (regarding Shellie's statement) and the police on the scene (regarding Zimmerman having a gun but that it was in his truck).

If I was just standing around with my hands in view, and you had no idea whether or not I had a gun, you might have a point.

The actual situation: Zimmerman was sitting in a vehicle that Shellie knows contains a gun with his hands out of view, and in fact it's later confirmed via his attorney AND the cops that he had a gun in his truck. (Even the reports that say they didn't find a gun quote the officers as saying that the gun was in his truck-- where he was sitting.) Shellie also stated that he was daring them to come closer and pointing out that he had his gun with him. I'd say that's a reasonable gun threat, whether or not he intended to shoot. Her only way of determining whether or not he's serious about shooting her would be to look at his past behavior, but I guess we could sit here and argue that she should have waited until he was pointing the gun at her head to call 911 rather than calling the police to the scene as a precaution.


No matter how many times you post, she still isn't going to sleep with you.
 
2013-09-10 03:24:51 PM
The thing I don't get is, why would Shelly lie about something that could easily be disproved? Considering that she already has a perjury charge, this would only hurt her case when her divorce from George goes to court. This makes no sense. The only reasons why she would have dropped the charges is

A) She made it all up and didn't think the whole thing through

B) Like a lot of women in domestic violence cases, she got scared sh*tless of her husband and dropped the charges rather than piss him off more or

C) She realized that George would use his legal fund to fight the charges, meaning less money for her later.
 
2013-09-10 03:27:28 PM

freak7: fredklein: Um, notice the lights in the background, past the flash-lit area.

Um, notice that those porch lights clearly aren't responsible for the light in the picture you posted.


They are indeed responsible, in part, for the light in the background where the flash doesn't reach.
 
2013-09-10 03:49:01 PM

fredklein: freak7: fredklein: Um, notice the lights in the background, past the flash-lit area.

Um, notice that those porch lights clearly aren't responsible for the light in the picture you posted.

They are indeed responsible, in part, for the light in the background where the flash doesn't reach.



You are a little man whose mind naturally gravitates toward unimportant things.
 
2013-09-10 03:51:22 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: The only reasons why she would have dropped the charges is

A) She made it all up and didn't think the whole thing through

 
2013-09-10 04:53:49 PM

supayoda: ThatDarkFellow: Why? It's easier to just make stuff up.

s2s2s2: You didn't read that article, did you?

PunGent:Did you even bother to read that link?  It's ALL "accused of, charges reduced, charges dropped".

Your link sucks, and you should feel bad about it.

Actually, I did read the article.

"In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted."

You ladies might do well to note that "charges dropped" does not mean "innocent." That he's had the trouble in the past in the first place is red flag. Had it been a one time thing, I could see maybe not considering it. Unfortunately, you're trying to argue that he keeps having a "one time things" over and over again. I'm sure the fact that Zimmerman's father was a judge has nothing to do with any of those charges ever being dropped.

And bear in mind... Zimmerman's own lawyer even admitted that he had a gun on him at the time. The wife says she never saw it, but seeing a gun isn't the same thing as being threatened with one.


Yeah...here in America, that's EXACTLY what it means.  Lady.
 
2013-09-10 05:29:07 PM

Millennium: What exactly do you think I've lied about?


Here is an example.
 

Millennium: And yet, Zimmerman turned and went back to the truck: the one place he knew Martin could not have gone.

Why? What sense does it make to hunt someone in places you know they're not? The answer is simple: it makes no sense at all. Why do it, then? Simple: you're not hunting him.


You are claiming Zimmerman wastn't hunting for Martin because Zimmerman went back to the truck.


But Zimmerman didn't go back to the truck.  You just lied about it.  That makes you a farking liar.

Everyone knows you are lying, because everyone knows the fight and the shooting happened in that back yard area, not out by the street, not by the truck.

Much like when you put words in my mouth, something I've seen you do with other people.  You are a farking liar.  You aren't honest.  You are so set on making your point that you will outright make crap up.

So go fark yourself.
 
2013-09-10 05:44:11 PM

Phinn: fredklein: freak7: fredklein: Um, notice the lights in the background, past the flash-lit area.

Um, notice that those porch lights clearly aren't responsible for the light in the picture you posted.

They are indeed responsible, in part, for the light in the background where the flash doesn't reach.

You are a little man whose mind naturally gravitates toward unimportant things.


The claim was made that it was "pitch dark", and thus Trayvon could have run home safely under the cover of that darkness. Pointing out that there are light sources (the lightbulbs visible in the photo, for example, not to mention light from windows, nearby streetlights, the moon, etc) is far from "unimportant"- in fact it completely blows away the argument!
 
2013-09-10 06:09:47 PM

JuggleGeek: Millennium: What exactly do you think I've lied about?

Here is an example.

Millennium: And yet, Zimmerman turned and went back to the truck: the one place he knew Martin could not have gone.

Why? What sense does it make to hunt someone in places you know they're not? The answer is simple: it makes no sense at all. Why do it, then? Simple: you're not hunting him.

You are claiming Zimmerman wastn't hunting for Martin because Zimmerman went back to the truck.


But Zimmerman didn't go back to the truck.  You just lied about it.  That makes you a farking liar.

Everyone knows you are lying, because everyone knows the fight and the shooting happened in that back yard area, not out by the street, not by the truck.

Much like when you put words in my mouth, something I've seen you do with other people.  You are a farking liar.  You aren't honest.  You are so set on making your point that you will outright make crap up.

So go fark yourself.


The only way you can get away with calling him a liar, is to prove George didn't head back to his truck. As I've explained to you, "went to" is not excluded by "got to". We all know he didn't get back to his truck.

Prove he didn't head back to his truck, or show yourself a liar.
 
2013-09-10 06:14:00 PM

fredklein: Phinn: fredklein: freak7: fredklein: Um, notice the lights in the background, past the flash-lit area.

Um, notice that those porch lights clearly aren't responsible for the light in the picture you posted.

They are indeed responsible, in part, for the light in the background where the flash doesn't reach.

You are a little man whose mind naturally gravitates toward unimportant things.

The claim was made that it was "pitch dark", and thus Trayvon could have run home safely under the cover of that darkness. Pointing out that there are light sources (the lightbulbs visible in the photo, for example, not to mention light from windows, nearby streetlights, the moon, etc) is far from "unimportant"- in fact it completely blows away the argument!


The claim was that, at trial, the police on the scene testified that visibility was nil.
I used the term, "pitch dark". Trayvon could have gotten home, safely.
 
2013-09-10 06:20:16 PM
Did you score enough points for your team?
 
2013-09-10 06:24:18 PM

s2s2s2: The only way you can get away with calling him a liar, is to prove George didn't head back to his truck. As I've explained to you, "went to" is not excluded by "got to". We all know he didn't get back to his truck.

Prove he didn't head back to his truck, or show yourself a liar.


He didn't say that Zimmerman started to go back to his truck, he said that he *did* go back to his truck, and that's how we know Zimmerman was no longer looking for Martin.  And that isn't true - it's a lie.

I'm not surprised that you are sticking by the lie, though, since you are also a known liar.  You've claimed in this thread, for instance, that Zimmermans father wasn't a judge, and that Martin was all drugged up when the fight took place.
 
2013-09-10 06:29:53 PM

JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: The only way you can get away with calling him a liar, is to prove George didn't head back to his truck. As I've explained to you, "went to" is not excluded by "got to". We all know he didn't get back to his truck.

Prove he didn't head back to his truck, or show yourself a liar.

He didn't say that Zimmerman started to go back to his truck, he said that he *did* go back to his truck, and that's how we know Zimmerman was no longer looking for Martin.  And that isn't true - it's a lie.

I'm not surprised that you are sticking by the lie, though, since you are also a known liar.  You've claimed in this thread, for instance, that Zimmermans father wasn't a judge, and that Martin was all drugged up when the fight took place.


You have no way of knowing if George "did not" go back to his truck. The only lie in the exchange is your assertion that he definitely did not go back to his truck.
George' father, in fact, was not a judge. He was a magistrate. A magistrate is not a judge. The medical examiner testified that Martin had likely smoked pot within the hour. I did not say he was "drugged up". Pot isn't a drug.

You fail.
 
2013-09-10 06:41:03 PM

fredklein: The claim was made that it was "pitch dark", and thus Trayvon could have run home safely under the cover of that darkness. Pointing out that there are light sources (the lightbulbs visible in the photo, for example, not to mention light from windows, nearby streetlights, the moon, etc) is far from "unimportant"- in fact it completely blows away the argument!


By the Time Zimmerman rounded the corner of the building, Trayvon was easily far enough down the sidewalk that he wouldn't be seen in the dark. The light there was very minimal, stop acting like the path was lit up with spotlights.
 
2013-09-10 07:00:25 PM
For farks sakes, stop arguing about what happen the night St. Zimmerman killed Martin. It's over. Nothing is going to change the outcome of that trial. Martin is dead. St. Zimmerman is still a douche. Move on.
 
2013-09-10 07:13:17 PM

s2s2s2: You have no way of knowing if George "did not" go back to his truck.


The shooting did not take place at his truck, or at the street.  It happened in the back yard area.  You know this.   Pretending he was minding his own business sitting in the truck doesn't get you anywhere.  But you seem to enjoy slinging bullshiat.
 
2013-09-10 07:30:12 PM

JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: You have no way of knowing if George "did not" go back to his truck.

The shooting did not take place at his truck, or at the street.  It happened in the back yard area.  You know this.   Pretending he was minding his own business sitting in the truck doesn't get you anywhere.  But you seem to enjoy slinging bullshiat.


Oh. You are trolling. I'm sorry. Carry on.

Good work, man. Really thought you were serious.
 
2013-09-10 07:40:23 PM
Pointing out that Zimmerman did not go back to the truck and that the shooting happened in that back yard area makes me a troll?

Lol.

Also, as to your "dad wasn't a judge", i hunted up a "fark you" link just to prove you are a liar.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/did-george-zimmermans-father-talk-s an ford-p
 
2013-09-10 07:42:58 PM

s2s2s2: George' father, in fact, was not a judge. He was a magistrate. A magistrate is not a judge.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate

The very first line says "A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern usage, the term usually refers to a judge.  "
 
2013-09-10 07:46:14 PM

JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: George' father, in fact, was not a judge. He was a magistrate. A magistrate is not a judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate

The very first line says "A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern usage, the term usually refers to a judge.  "


You should probably look up what a magistrate can do. They can issue warrants and do bail hearings. That's about it.
 
2013-09-10 08:02:28 PM
I'm not saying that Zimmermans father put in the fix, so it doesn't really matter how much pull he had.  Honestly, being the local DA's housekeeper would likely get you more pull than being a retired low level judge from another state, so I don't think it had much to do with anything.

What I *am* saying is that when s2 denies that the dad had been a judge, he is lying.  Just like he's lying when he claims that Zimmerman went back to the truck.
 
2013-09-10 08:05:31 PM

JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: George' father, in fact, was not a judge. He was a magistrate. A magistrate is not a judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate

The very first line says "A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern usage, the term usually refers to a judge.  "


"In modern use" usually means "idiots using the word not in its intended meaning."
 
2013-09-10 08:10:43 PM

JuggleGeek: I'm not saying that Zimmermans father put in the fix, so it doesn't really matter how much pull he had.  Honestly, being the local DA's housekeeper would likely get you more pull than being a retired low level judge from another state, so I don't think it had much to do with anything.

What I *am* saying is that when s2 denies that the dad had been a judge, he is lying.  Just like he's lying when he claims that Zimmerman went back to the truck.


Virginia isn't local to Florida. His dad was not a judge. That is not a lie. It is a fact.
George said he went back to his truck. Nothing disputes that.
 
2013-09-10 08:20:57 PM
 
2013-09-10 08:25:41 PM

JuggleGeek: Millennium: What exactly do you think I've lied about?

Here is an example.

Millennium: And yet, Zimmerman turned and went back to the truck: the one place he knew Martin could not have gone.

Why? What sense does it make to hunt someone in places you know they're not? The answer is simple: it makes no sense at all. Why do it, then? Simple: you're not hunting him.

You are claiming Zimmerman wastn't hunting for Martin because Zimmerman went back to the truck.

But Zimmerman didn't go back to the truck.  You just lied about it.  That makes you a farking liar.


Except that Zimmerman quite clearly went back to the truck. Every piece of evidence we have shows it.

Everyone knows you are lying, because everyone knows the fight and the shooting happened in that back yard area, not out by the street, not by the truck.

Citation needed, because, in fact, not everyone knows this.

Much like when you put words in my mouth, something I've seen you do with other people.

Achievement unlocked, bucko: you've actually made me mad. Not a lot can do that, these days.

As someone who constantly has words put in his mouth by people here, I conscientiously avoid doing it myself. I am not perfect about this -I misrepresented your opinion in this very thread, in fact- and when I do make mistakes about someone's position, I sincerely apologize. I did for you, and I will do it for anyone else whose position I can be shown to have misrepresented. Give me examples.
 
2013-09-10 08:31:46 PM

NightOwl2255: For farks sakes, stop arguing about what happen the night St. Zimmerman killed Martin. It's over. Nothing is going to change the outcome of that trial. Martin is dead. St. Zimmerman is still a douche. Move on.


Every time someone argues that Zimmerman is guilty, a criminal defense attorney gets his wings.
 
2013-09-10 09:12:40 PM

Millennium: Citation needed, because, in fact, not everyone knows this.


ZAC'ers, you want to take this one?
 
2013-09-10 09:18:17 PM

s2s2s2: Prove he didn't head back to his truck, or show yourself a liar.


Simply put, if he had headed back, he would have made it to his truck.

7:11:42 - 7:11:48pm: There is the sound of a car door opening at this point, immediately after Zimmerman says "he's running," and Zimmerman starts huffing; wind noises can be heard, and Zimmerman sounds slightly breathless. " - http://viewfromll2.com/2012/04/05/minute-by-minute-timeline-of-trayvon -martins-death/

7:11:59 - In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK." - wikipedia.

It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck. Yet , after more than 4 minutes go by, Zimmerman is still not at his truck. Therefore, he wasn't heading for his truck. (Or he was heading for his truck at like .000001 mph).
 
2013-09-10 09:39:29 PM

s2s2s2: "Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction."


lol

From your own link :
"We obtained a copy of George Zimmerman's application to join the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy.

In it, Zimmerman writes that his "father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the supreme court (sic) of Virginia."


Millennium: Everyone knows you are lying, because everyone knows the fight and the shooting happened in that back yard area, not out by the street, not by the truck.

Citation needed, because, in fact, not everyone knows this.


If you think the fight and the shooting happened in the street next to the truck, then you haven't read even a single article about what happened.  There are pictures of the side walk in what Zimmerman called a "cut through".  Do you see any "street" in those pictures?  Of course not, because it didn't happen by the street.

If Zimmerman had gone to his truck like you lying assholes keep claiming, then he wouldn't have been in the back yard killing a teenager.
 
2013-09-10 09:47:55 PM

fredklein: Therefore, he wasn't heading for his truck. (Or he was heading for his truck at like .000001 mph).


The liars here are claiming he "went back to his truck".  That is very different from "he was headin gto his truck".

I can be "heading to Austin" while I'm in my front yard.  But if I tell you I went to Austin, when I actually went to my front yard, then I would be lying.
 
2013-09-10 10:21:33 PM
JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: "Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction."

lol

From your own link :
"We obtained a copy of George Zimmerman's application to join the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy.

In it, Zimmerman writes that his "father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the supreme court (sic) of Virginia."

Zimmerman writing that doesn't make it true. Magistrates replaced officers of the peace in VA. Why don't you go to the source or something provided by VA or a VA municipality.

They aren't even usually lawyers. They are just someone with a college degree and a certain amount of legal discretion.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+TOC1902000000300 00 00000000
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courtadmin/aoc/djs/programs/mag/resour ce s/magman/toc.pdf
http://www.bvso.net/Documents/The%20Office%20of%20The%20Virginia%20M ag istrate.pdf
 
2013-09-10 10:27:30 PM

steamingpile: 100 Watt Walrus: fredklein: Fubini: The evidence is pretty clear that Zimmerman completely lost track of Martin, to the point of giving up and retreating back to his truck. That fact alone casts significant doubt on the image of Zimmerman as the aggressor.

Which is enough, when the bar is "Beyond a reasonable doubt."

Sorry, no. As has been pointed out, there were 3-4 minutes between Zimmerman saying "Okay" to the police dispatcher's "We don't need you to do that", and the fatal shot. What was Zimmerman doing in those minutes? Not heading back to his truck, or he would have gotten to it (it was only 30 seconds away).

Lack of evidence is not evidence.

Whatever you think of Zimmerman or Martin, there was just no way to get beyond reasonable doubt, especially not from the evidence presented at trial.

Nu uh!!!! A white man killed a black man so he must be guilty of being a robe wearing grand gandalf!!!!!


That's rich coming from you.
 
2013-09-10 10:59:58 PM

fredklein: It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck.


Yeah, except that he stayed on the phone for more than a minute after that, and had stated that he went further down the T (not in the direction of the place Martin was staying).

You suck at this.
 
2013-09-10 11:02:18 PM

JuggleGeek: If you think the fight and the shooting happened in the street next to the truck, then you haven't read even a single article about what happened. There are pictures of the side walk in what Zimmerman called a "cut through". Do you see any "street" in those pictures? Of course not, because it didn't happen by the street.

If Zimmerman had gone to his truck like you lying assholes keep claiming, then he wouldn't have been in the back yard killing a teenager.


If I could seen that the fight was in the backyard just by reading any arbitrary article, then there must have been an awful lot of articles showing this. Could you recommend a few?
 
2013-09-10 11:42:20 PM

s2s2s2: fredklein: It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck.

Yeah, except that he stayed on the phone for more than a minute after that, and had stated that he went further down the T (not in the direction of the place Martin was staying).


But I thought he 'went back to his truck'. Now you say he didn't. I'm confused.

You suck at this.

At least I can keep my story straight.
 
2013-09-11 12:20:14 AM

fredklein: s2s2s2: fredklein: It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck.

Yeah, except that he stayed on the phone for more than a minute after that, and had stated that he went further down the T (not in the direction of the place Martin was staying).


But I thought he 'went back to his truck'. Now you say he didn't. I'm confused.

You suck at this.

At least I can keep my story straight.


No you can't. The dispute is over when he went back to his truck. No one has claimed he said "ok" then went immediately back to his truck. He was on his way back to his truck, when Trayvon, according to Jeantel, confronted him.
 
2013-09-11 12:37:20 AM

s2s2s2: fredklein: s2s2s2: fredklein: It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck.

Yeah, except that he stayed on the phone for more than a minute after that, and had stated that he went further down the T (not in the direction of the place Martin was staying).


But I thought he 'went back to his truck'. Now you say he didn't. I'm confused.

You suck at this.

At least I can keep my story straight.

No you can't. The dispute is over when he went back to his truck. No one has claimed he said "ok" then went immediately back to his truck. He was on his way back to his truck, when Trayvon, according to Jeantel, confronted him.


So, after he was told "We don't need you to do that", and answered "Okay", what exactly did he do for several minutes before 'heading back to his truck'?

A: Hunt for Trayvon.

He was still hunting for Trayvon, still searching for him, still looking for him. However you want to put it. Even though he 'didn't need' to do that. And guess what? He found him. And Trayvon, after watching this "creepy" guy following him, and hunting for him, got found. And he panicked. And he tried to disarm this creepy guy who'd been following him around his neighborhood, and, failing that, he tried to knock the guy out so he wouldn't get shot. But that didn't work, and he did get shot, and killed. By the "creepy" guy who was following him and searching for him that evening.
 
2013-09-11 01:00:53 AM

fredklein: s2s2s2: fredklein: s2s2s2: fredklein: It took only 11-17 seconds to get from his truck to the point where the police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that [follow Trayvon]". It should only have take 11-17 seconds to get back to his truck.

Yeah, except that he stayed on the phone for more than a minute after that, and had stated that he went further down the T (not in the direction of the place Martin was staying).


But I thought he 'went back to his truck'. Now you say he didn't. I'm confused.

You suck at this.

At least I can keep my story straight.

No you can't. The dispute is over when he went back to his truck. No one has claimed he said "ok" then went immediately back to his truck. He was on his way back to his truck, when Trayvon, according to Jeantel, confronted him.

So, after he was told "We don't need you to do that", and answered "Okay", what exactly did he do for several minutes before 'heading back to his truck'?

A: Hunt for Trayvon.

He was still hunting for Trayvon, still searching for him, still looking for him. However you want to put it. Even though he 'didn't need' to do that. And guess what? He found him. And Trayvon, after watching this "creepy" guy following him, and hunting for him, got found. And he panicked. And he tried to disarm this creepy guy who'd been following him around his neighborhood, and, failing that, he tried to knock the guy out so he wouldn't get shot. But that didn't work, and he did get shot, and killed. By the "creepy" guy who was following him and searching for him that evening.


Wow. Nice fan fic, bro. You have zero grasp of established facts. You are doing yourself a huge disservice.
 
2013-09-11 04:28:14 AM

PunGent: LasersHurt: I seriously cannot believe people are CONTINUING to defend him, to the point of shiatting on his Wife now.

There's a common thread in this man's issues.

I've handled divorce cases.  I wouldn't believe EITHER party without independent testimony.


We could ask Trayvon Martin, oh wait...
 
2013-09-11 04:33:26 AM

PunGent: Abacus9: The more you eat the more you fart: NightOwl2255: Elegy: Don't worry. In a week or two, it will be "look at this dirtbag that pulled a gun on his wife" and we'll be right back to square one.

And you'll be here to white knight St. Zimmerman once again. If Zimmerman shiat in your mouth and told you it was steak you would smile and ask for seconds.

Lmfao!!!!

You sure are illiterate.

No one is white-knighting anyone....if you bothered to READ you would see that the wife basically made the entire story up.

Why wasn't she arrested for misuse of 911 and making a false statement to police?

Because we'd need WAY bigger jails.  People lie in divorce cases all the time, make false accusations, etc, etc.


People get arrested for this all the time. Haven't you been reading Fark?

PunGent: Abacus9: Wow, the cops really love this psychopath.

You're not seriously saying they should've arrested him once the wife changed her story?


Either arrest her for making a false report or him for the assault. Is it possible she changed her story because she was afraid of what he'd do to her? Knowing that he's violent and unhinged?
 
2013-09-11 04:49:37 AM

steamingpile: Abacus9: The more you eat the more you fart: NightOwl2255: Elegy: Don't worry. In a week or two, it will be "look at this dirtbag that pulled a gun on his wife" and we'll be right back to square one.

And you'll be here to white knight St. Zimmerman once again. If Zimmerman shiat in your mouth and told you it was steak you would smile and ask for seconds.

Lmfao!!!!

You sure are illiterate.

No one is white-knighting anyone....if you bothered to READ you would see that the wife basically made the entire story up.

Why wasn't she arrested for misuse of 911 and making a false statement to police?

Because a 911 operator is not an official representative of the police.....


Misusing 911 is a jailable offense. And either way, she made a false statement.

steamingpile: She lied about her statement when she realized her soon to be ex was there to get shiat out of his house and was pissed. Out of the Zimmerman family she will be the only convicted one, so excuse me if I defend the innocent.


Not guilty =/= innocent, but don't let your ignorance get in the way of your arguement.

s2s2s2: He is innocent of the charges brought against him.


Again, not guilty =/= innocent
 
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