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(Global Geopolitics)   Fidel Castro pulls yet another shock confession out of his cold soul and admits his economic system failed, preference for smoked brains over pickled   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 88
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2013-09-09 01:36:41 PM
Once propped up by the Soviet Union, Cuba's lifeline is now cheap oil from Venezuela, where President Hugo Chávez considers Fidel a mentor.

Apparently Chávez learned undeath from Castro, so I guess this makes sense.
 
2013-09-09 01:41:49 PM
Old news is exciting.
 
2013-09-09 01:43:32 PM

BKITU: Once propped up by the Soviet Union, Cuba's lifeline is now cheap oil from Venezuela, where President Hugo Chávez considers Fidel a mentor.

Apparently Chávez learned undeath from Castro, so I guess this makes sense.


It's a mistake to put your phylactery in a cigar though.  Everything is liable to go up in a puff of smoke.
 
2013-09-09 01:45:45 PM
Does this mean we will end the embargo?
 
2013-09-09 01:46:45 PM

neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?


But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.
 
2013-09-09 01:50:44 PM
Much like Snake Plissken I thought Castro was dead.
 
2013-09-09 01:52:43 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.


As long as a major constituency in a swing state hates the Cuban government, we will embargo Cuba.
 
2013-09-09 01:54:08 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.


Who the hell was this Fidel guy to lead a popular uprising against a brutal dictator and corporate puppet, and survive over 200 assassination attempts from the country that economically pillaged it?  WTF is this guy's problem?

/Fidel is, obviously, far from perfect
//But our reaction to him was way over the line
//MONGOOSE
 
2013-09-09 01:56:49 PM

cgraves67: ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.

As long as a major constituency in a swing state hates the Cuban government, we will embargo Cuba.


Good. It's nice to have a sunny vacay destination where one can actually get near the buffet table.
 
2013-09-09 01:58:32 PM

cgraves67: ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.

As long as a major constituency in a swing state hates the Cuban government, we will embargo Cuba.


The old Batista supporters are dying off. Give it time.
 
2013-09-09 01:59:02 PM
As soon as Castro dies, that island will be overrun with plasticine, soul-rending commercial capitalism out the wazzoo.  They won't know what hit them.
 
2013-09-09 01:59:54 PM
So he's more capable of critical self-reflection than Reagan ever could have been, then?
 
2013-09-09 02:00:56 PM
This is based on an article from The Guardian in 2010.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-econo mi c-model
 
2013-09-09 02:11:29 PM

phaseolus: So he's more capable of critical self-reflection than Reagan ever could have been, then?


It's hard to be critical of your reflection when you can't remember who that person is.
 
2013-09-09 02:12:11 PM

Fart_Machine: Much like Snake Plissken I thought Castro was dead.


I also expected Fidel to be taller.
 
2013-09-09 02:12:17 PM
He already admitted that in the nineties, shortly before he stole a trillion dollars from a wealthy industrialist and his employee.
 
2013-09-09 02:14:09 PM

asspennies: This is based on an article from The Guardian in 2010.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-econo mi c-model



and a 1998 simpsons episode.
 
2013-09-09 02:26:32 PM
I wouldn't get too down on yourself zombie Fidel, your nation has one of the highest GDPs of all those caribbean nations when  you account for population.
 
2013-09-09 02:27:36 PM

Saiga410: Fart_Machine: Much like Snake Plissken I thought Castro was dead.

I also expected Fidel to be taller.


he also wishes he was a baller
 
2013-09-09 02:29:10 PM
Of course it fails when you're neighbors with a hostile capitalist giant.
 
2013-09-09 02:36:06 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: As soon as Castro dies, that island will be overrun with plasticine, soul-rending commercial capitalism out the wazzoo.  They won't know what hit them.


Doubtful.
His brother and the henchmen in charge aren't interested in reforming a state where they control everything.

I'd say its going to take a full rotation in heads of state, and the loss of Venezuelan life support, before anyone considers an alternative.
 
2013-09-09 02:42:59 PM

Saiga410: Fart_Machine: Much like Snake Plissken I thought Castro was dead.

I also expected Fidel to be taller.


That's because of the pictures of him next to 5'3" Nikita Khrushchev.
 
2013-09-09 02:51:40 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.

Who the hell was this Fidel guy to lead a popular uprising against a brutal dictator and corporate puppet, and survive over 200 assassination attempts from the country that economically pillaged it?  WTF is this guy's problem?

/Fidel is, obviously, far from perfect
//But our reaction to him was way over the line
//MONGOOSE


Yeah, who cares that he allowed the Soviet Union to place troops and nukes on his land which almost resulted in a nuclear war when they shot down an American U2.
 
2013-09-09 02:55:02 PM

I alone am best: Yeah, who cares that he allowed the Soviet Union to place troops and nukes on his land which almost resulted in a nuclear war when they shot down an American U2.


Now why would the USSR want to put nukes near the US? Could it be because the US was putting nukes around the USSR? NAHHHHH
 
2013-09-09 03:17:26 PM
From everything I've read, Castro has always seemed to be a rather thoughtful guy. He genuinely believed in what he said, and tried his hardest to make it work. It didn't help that he was captaining a small island up against a giant country that was completely hostile to him. He relies on all of these suspect characters - the USSR, Iran, North Korea once upon a time - for help and gives them help because he kind-of has to. He's keenly aware that Cuba can't survive completely isolated, and the US won't help him so long as he's in power.

He's one of those guys who would be *fascinating* to have dinner with, I imagine.
 
2013-09-09 03:23:19 PM

I alone am best: Snatch Bandergrip: ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.

Who the hell was this Fidel guy to lead a popular uprising against a brutal dictator and corporate puppet, and survive over 200 assassination attempts from the country that economically pillaged it?  WTF is this guy's problem?

/Fidel is, obviously, far from perfect
//But our reaction to him was way over the line
//MONGOOSE

Yeah, who cares that he allowed the Soviet Union to place troops and nukes on his land which almost resulted in a nuclear war when they shot down an American U2.


How dare they have allies and defend their airspace?
 
2013-09-09 03:28:38 PM

Ned Stark: I alone am best: Snatch Bandergrip: ikanreed: neversubmit: Does this mean we will end the embargo?

But we still haven't gotten a satisfactory sense of revenge for perceived slights against America's imperial power.

Who the hell was this Fidel guy to lead a popular uprising against a brutal dictator and corporate puppet, and survive over 200 assassination attempts from the country that economically pillaged it?  WTF is this guy's problem?

/Fidel is, obviously, far from perfect
//But our reaction to him was way over the line
//MONGOOSE

Yeah, who cares that he allowed the Soviet Union to place troops and nukes on his land which almost resulted in a nuclear war when they shot down an American U2.

How dare they have allies and defend their airspace?


The russians shot down the plane not the cubans. Lucky for every soul on the face of the earth Kennedy decided to call Kruschev before we attacked them because it turned out it wasnt authorized by the USSR.
 
2013-09-09 03:28:42 PM

FarkedOver: I alone am best: Yeah, who cares that he allowed the Soviet Union to place troops and nukes on his land which almost resulted in a nuclear war when they shot down an American U2.

Now why would the USSR want to put nukes near the US? Could it be because the US was putting nukes around the USSR? NAHHHHH


You have to admit that when it comes to the aggressive positioning of nuclear weapons, the USA started that fight.
 
2013-09-09 03:29:10 PM
Well, that's just because he didn't implement it properly.
 
2013-09-09 03:36:44 PM

FarkedOver: Of course it fails when you're neighbors with a hostile capitalist giant.



It always fails, pal.
 
2013-09-09 03:37:53 PM

Poopy MacPoop: He already admitted that in the nineties, shortly before he stole a trillion dollars from a wealthy industrialist and his employee.



Heh.
 
2013-09-09 03:41:07 PM
Fidel Castro is 87, not 84 as the column states, This is 3 years old. Old news is so exciting.
 
2013-09-09 03:45:06 PM

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: Of course it fails when you're neighbors with a hostile capitalist giant.


It always fails, pal.


Yep, when you're constantly under the threat of invasion and sanctions by bourgeois regimes it will fail every time.
 
2013-09-09 03:49:09 PM
Who really cares about Cuba anymore? The only politicians I ever see rattling their sabers about it are those with Cuban ties or really old people who seem to think the gelded Castro regime is capable of any sort of threat against us.

And the Cuban nationalists are dying off and their kids who are around my age really don't give a fark about Cuba. Lift the embargo and leave them the fark alone. This isn't the 1960's.
 
2013-09-09 03:49:59 PM
To be fair... the article shows up as published in "3 days ago" under Google.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-09 03:58:03 PM

Poopy MacPoop: trillion


i.imgur.com

speakerboner.com

I know, but we knew from day one this mumbo jumbo wouldn't fly.
 
2013-09-09 03:59:38 PM
I was musing over the non-annexation outcomes of the Mexican - American war and the Spanish - American war and the answer hit me like a dope slap: racism! Mexico was full of brown people and free blacks, and the Cuban revolution was dominated by blacks and no one in the south wanted more blacks in the united states. If Cuba had been annexed as a state they probably would have sent black men to congress, which no one wanted.
 
2013-09-09 04:04:05 PM

wildcardjack: I was musing over the non-annexation outcomes of the Mexican - American war and the Spanish - American war and the answer hit me like a dope slap: racism! Mexico was full of brown people and free blacks, and the Cuban revolution was dominated by blacks and no one in the south wanted more blacks in the united states. If Cuba had been annexed as a state they probably would have sent black men to congress, which no one wanted.


Of course, you'd also be crying racism if America had annexed those two countries, so it's all really irrelevant.
 
2013-09-09 04:04:44 PM

Weatherkiss: Who really cares about Cuba anymore? The only politicians I ever see rattling their sabers about it are those with Cuban ties or really old people who seem to think the gelded Castro regime is capable of any sort of threat against us.

And the Cuban nationalists are dying off and their kids who are around my age really don't give a fark about Cuba. Lift the embargo and leave them the fark alone. This isn't the 1960's.


See, but the cheap as chips sugar would flood onto the US market and food manufactures would use it instead of HFCS. Wont someone think of the poor corn farmers?
 
2013-09-09 04:09:50 PM

Ned Stark: Weatherkiss: Who really cares about Cuba anymore? The only politicians I ever see rattling their sabers about it are those with Cuban ties or really old people who seem to think the gelded Castro regime is capable of any sort of threat against us.

And the Cuban nationalists are dying off and their kids who are around my age really don't give a fark about Cuba. Lift the embargo and leave them the fark alone. This isn't the 1960's.

See, but the cheap as chips sugar would flood onto the US market and food manufactures would use it instead of HFCS. Wont someone think of the poor corn farmers?


They'll have to be content with high prices due to ethanol and federal farm subsidies.
 
2013-09-09 04:30:41 PM

FarkedOver: The_Sponge: FarkedOver: Of course it fails when you're neighbors with a hostile capitalist giant.


It always fails, pal.

Yep, when you're constantly under the threat of invasion and sanctions by bourgeois regimes it will fail every time.


So if capitalism and liberal democracy had failed as miserably as communism has, would that be the excuse? We couldn't possible sustain such a robust economic model when those evil communist regimes kept being mean to us for so long!
 
2013-09-09 04:32:15 PM
I loved him in The Naked Gun.
 
2013-09-09 04:35:39 PM

jigger: So if capitalism and liberal democracy had failed as miserably as communism has, would that be the excuse? We couldn't possible sustain such a robust economic model when those evil communist regimes kept being mean to us for so long!


Maybe, just maybe if the working class wasn't shut down at every turn in industrialized nations, socialist revolutions would have occurred there too, but as it is every socialist revolution has occurred in un-industrialized, poor, former imperialist nations.  THEN when workers of these nations assert themselves, capitalist nations start oppressing them.  It has happened every single time there has been a popular power worker movement throughout history.
 
2013-09-09 04:35:54 PM
Well, I guess that leaves Kim Jong Un and some farklibs as the only people still stupid enough to think communism isn't a complete disaster.
 
2013-09-09 04:36:34 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Well, I guess that leaves Kim Jong Un and some farklibs as the only people still stupid enough to think communism isn't a complete disaster.


North Korea does not subscribe to Marxism or Communism.  They practice Juche.
 
2013-09-09 04:39:39 PM

FarkedOver: Debeo Summa Credo: Well, I guess that leaves Kim Jong Un and some farklibs as the only people still stupid enough to think communism isn't a complete disaster.

North Korea does not subscribe to Marxism or Communism.  They practice Juche.


Oh, I stand corrected. Then I guess that leaves only farklibs as dumb enough to defend communism.
 
2013-09-09 04:41:25 PM
After that shiat in Cleveland all I can say is fark the damn workers' revolution.
 
2013-09-09 04:42:32 PM

FarkedOver: jigger: So if capitalism and liberal democracy had failed as miserably as communism has, would that be the excuse? We couldn't possible sustain such a robust economic model when those evil communist regimes kept being mean to us for so long!

Maybe, just maybe if the working class wasn't shut down at every turn in industrialized nations, socialist revolutions would have occurred there too, but as it is every socialist revolution has occurred in un-industrialized, poor, former imperialist nations.  THEN when workers of these nations assert themselves, capitalist nations start oppressing them.  It has happened every single time there has been a popular power worker movement throughout history.


So capitalism has to make a country rich before communism can work? Communism will never work as long as capitalism exists? Is that what you're saying?

Let me ask you this. Does communism make people richer or poorer in general?
 
2013-09-09 04:43:49 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Oh, I stand corrected. Then I guess that leaves only farklibs as dumb enough to defend communism.


As a Marxist, I have only one issue with you, and that's being called a lib.
 
2013-09-09 04:44:31 PM

jigger: So capitalism has to make a country rich before communism can work? Communism will never work as long as capitalism exists? Is that what you're saying?


Yes.  You are finally understanding Marxism. Good job man!
 
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