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(BBC)   Fisherman's prized catch turns out to be a briefcase full of guns. Of course, you should have seen the howitzer that got away   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 49
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2013-09-09 02:36:28 PM
Been nice to see the guns.  Or maybe had a description of the guns.  I would imagine they're rusty heaps of metal by now, still as a collector I'd like to see them.
 
2013-09-09 02:36:34 PM
Triggerfish
 
2013-09-09 02:38:06 PM
trigg... damn it.
 
2013-09-09 02:39:23 PM

karmaceutical: trigg... damn it.


What is Sarah Palin's most used phrase?
 
2013-09-09 02:39:55 PM
I'd have kept them.
 
2013-09-09 02:40:22 PM
www.gonemovies.com
 
2013-09-09 02:40:32 PM
Yeah, Don't go to England.
 
2013-09-09 02:40:52 PM
Couldn't have been very many guns to fit into a briefcase; or very long.
 
2013-09-09 02:41:18 PM
I wonder what he was using for bait?
 
2013-09-09 02:42:19 PM

vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.


England?
 
2013-09-09 02:44:39 PM
Look at all those wonderful pictures and detailed descriptions to help the readers!  Amazing!
 
2013-09-09 02:44:41 PM

uncleacid: I wonder what he was using for bait?


My question as well.

/all I ever catch are a bunch of stupid fish...
 
2013-09-09 02:46:42 PM

Hack Patooey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

England?


It looks like it's misspelled, no?
 
2013-09-09 02:47:09 PM
A spokesman for the force said officers had sent the weapons for examination to determine what type they are and to establish their significance.

They are the type known as "wet". Can I collect my consultant's fee now?
 
2013-09-09 02:47:36 PM
Sounds like someone is working on a sequel to "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels"
 
2013-09-09 02:50:25 PM
i119.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-09 02:55:08 PM
i259.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-09 03:00:44 PM

iheartscotch: Couldn't have been very many guns to fit into a briefcase; or very long.


Not necessarily true . . .

mw2.google.com
 
2013-09-09 03:01:18 PM

vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-09 03:03:12 PM
Would have prefered a breif case full of blues.
 
2013-09-09 03:03:24 PM
something something bullet, hammerhead shark

/swing and a miss
 
2013-09-09 03:09:18 PM

jaybeezey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


One guy gets it.

*pours jaybeezey a beer*
 
2013-09-09 03:10:31 PM
The fisherman will be charged with un lawfull possesion of a fiream in 3 . 2.. 1....
 
2013-09-09 03:11:32 PM

Hack Patooey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

England?


Hack Patooey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

England?


Yes, England. You know, fish, chips, cup o' tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary farking Poppins ... England!

/yes, I know.  It's a misquote.
 
2013-09-09 03:17:31 PM
content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-09-09 03:49:21 PM
If a lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns, what can a lawyer with a briefcase full of guns do?
 
2013-09-09 03:53:40 PM

dryknife: If a lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns, what can a lawyer with a briefcase full of guns do?


Make someone listen to Reason?
 
2013-09-09 04:01:31 PM

Petey4335: dryknife: If a lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns, what can a lawyer with a briefcase full of guns do?

Make someone listen to Reason?



What Reason may look like:

www.davidstuff.com
 
2013-09-09 04:02:27 PM
How is this possible?

I though it was illegal to have guns in the UK.
 
2013-09-09 04:14:27 PM
Its a mandatory 5 years for possession of firearms in the UK. There was a guy recently who found some in a bag thrown over his garden wall. He got 5 years when he took them to the police station.
 
2013-09-09 04:15:47 PM
Thames Valley police you say?
 
2013-09-09 04:16:29 PM
Gah. Tried to post a pic of Inspector Morse and Lewis but Fark wouldn't have it.
 
2013-09-09 04:17:02 PM

MasterSFV: Its a mandatory 5 years for possession of firearms in the UK. There was a guy recently who found some in a bag thrown over his garden wall. He got 5 years when he took them to the police station.


I remember that.  It was something about the technicality of actually picking them up to bring them to the police.  "well, you're in posession of them now, sir."

Talk about a stupid inflexible law.
 
2013-09-09 04:51:55 PM
God damm it! I never catch the good stuff. You know briefcase of guns, brick of cocaine, bag full of money, mermaid, nothing.
 
2013-09-09 04:57:52 PM

durbnpoisn: MasterSFV: Its a mandatory 5 years for possession of firearms in the UK. There was a guy recently who found some in a bag thrown over his garden wall. He got 5 years when he took them to the police station.

I remember that.  It was something about the technicality of actually picking them up to bring them to the police.  "well, you're in posession of them now, sir."

Talk about a stupid inflexible law.


It's not illegal to possess firearms in the UK you just need a license and a gun safe apart from handguns and a strict licensing system its not much Different than the US. Also i call bullshiat on that 5 years for finding guns in your garden although i could believe some dumb cop arresting him.
 
2013-09-09 04:58:37 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: iheartscotch: Couldn't have been very many guns to fit into a briefcase; or very long.

Not necessarily true . . .

[mw2.google.com image 500x375]


Perhaps the application of some basic triggernometry could help ....
 
2013-09-09 05:04:09 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: iheartscotch: Couldn't have been very many guns to fit into a briefcase; or very long.

Not necessarily true . . .

[mw2.google.com image 500x375]


That is one of the lamest pieces of "art" I've ever seen. And I've hated some art in my day, believe me!
 
2013-09-09 05:28:45 PM

vudukungfu: jaybeezey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

One guy gets it.

*pours jaybeezey a beer*


I got it, but is it simply because it's a very British article that you said this?
 
2013-09-09 06:19:59 PM

zulius: vudukungfu: jaybeezey: vudukungfu: Yeah, Don't go to England.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

One guy gets it.

*pours jaybeezey a beer*

I got it, but is it simply because it's a very British article that you said this?


Cheeky bastige. I'm gobasmacked you would think this. Blijit.
 
2013-09-09 06:38:30 PM

MasterSFV: Its a mandatory 5 years for possession of firearms in the UK. There was a guy recently who found some in a bag thrown over his garden wall. He got 5 years when he took them to the police station.


No, he didn't get five years, he got a 12 month suspended sentence. And he didn't "take it to the police station" he arranged a meeting with a senior officer and when he got into his office produced the gun out of a pocket.
Link

People find guns all the time in the UK, as in this case today, without getting into any trouble. These guys were also "in possession" of a sniper rifle but didn't get arrested. Because they didn't walk into a senior officer farking office and suddenly produce a gun!
Link
 
2013-09-09 07:39:41 PM

goatan: It's not illegal to possess firearms in the UK you just need a license and a gun safe apart from handguns and a strict licensing system its not much Different than the US.


Yeah, one of the first things i thought of was when the guy from river cottage went hunting- they were not using bows and arrows.
 
2013-09-09 08:27:30 PM

alienated: goatan: It's not illegal to possess firearms in the UK you just need a license and a gun safe apart from handguns and a strict licensing system its not much Different than the US.

Yeah, one of the first things i thought of was when the guy from river cottage went hunting- they were not using bows and arrows.


A shotgun licence is a right, the police have to show a "good reason" why you should not get it. You can buy shotguns and use them legally anywhere.

A rifle licence is down to the police, you have to show why you want it. If you say "To shoot rabbits on my farm" you could get a licence but the licence would be limited to shooting rabbits on your farm. Shoot pigeons? Illegal. Shoot rabbits on your neighbours farm? Illegal.
 
2013-09-09 08:51:07 PM
There arming the fish now?
 
2013-09-09 09:48:23 PM

goatan: durbnpoisn: MasterSFV: Its a mandatory 5 years for possession of firearms in the UK. There was a guy recently who found some in a bag thrown over his garden wall. He got 5 years when he took them to the police station.

I remember that.  It was something about the technicality of actually picking them up to bring them to the police.  "well, you're in posession of them now, sir."

Talk about a stupid inflexible law.

It's not illegal to possess firearms in the UK you just need a license and a gun safe apart from handguns and a strict licensing system its not much Different than the US. Also i call bullshiat on that 5 years for finding guns in your garden although i could believe some dumb cop arresting him.


It is strictly illegal to possess a firearm in the UK without a permit.

That permit is actually much harder to get than a license to carry concealed in most states.  And handgun ownership is completely banned, and if you want to own something other than a break-open shotgun or a .22 LR, you have all sorts of hoops to jump through.

Also, that guy who got 5 years for the gun in his garden?  He was set up.  Just six months earlier he had embarrassed the local constabulary by making fools of them in court.  Then, like magic, the Shotgun Fairy tosses a shotgun wrapped in black plastic over the back wall of his garden, coincidentally picking just the right one out of a couple dozen identical walled gardens all in a row.

He took it to the police, and was charged with possession.  I forget the ultimate outcome, but sure as hell he was set up by the cops.   Had he not taken it, the police would have gotten an "anonymous tip" that he owned an unregistered shotgun.

No matter what he did, he was farked, because possession without a license in the UK is illegal no matter what you intent was:  It's a strict liability crime.  And once it was on his property, he "possessed" it.

There was a fark thread about it, and we figured out what the news media apparently couldn't or wouldn't dig into.

Also, need I point out that in most states there is no licensing requirement to own a firearm, and in some states it's only for handguns.
 
2013-09-10 08:45:54 AM
We do have beaches in England.
 
2013-09-10 10:36:06 AM

dittybopper: Also, that guy who got 5 years for the gun in his garden?  He was set up.  Just six months earlier he had embarrassed the local constabulary by making fools of them in court.  Then, like magic, the Shotgun Fairy tosses a shotgun wrapped in black plastic over the back wall of his garden, coincidentally picking just the right one out of a couple dozen identical walled gardens all in a row.

He took it to the police, and was charged with possession.  I forget the ultimate outcome, but sure as hell he was set up by the cops.   Had he not taken it, the police would have gotten an "anonymous tip" that he owned an unregistered shotgun.

No matter what he did, he was farked, because possession without a license in the UK is illegal no matter what you intent was:  It's a strict liability crime.  And once it was on his property, he "possessed" it.


He got a twelve month suspended sentence, so no jail time at all.

He was an idiot for asking a senior officer for a meeting, without saying what it was about, and then once in his office producing the gun. That could be interpreted all sorts of ways, of course the cop went nuts.

But as this case in TFA shows it is not a strict liability as you suggest. These two guys were in possession of a sniper rifle, yet they haven't been arrested or charged. (Being on his property has nothing to do with possession) They've been thanked for turning it in. Because they did the sensible thing, they phoned the cops as soon as they found it. They didn't take it into a senior cops office and then suddenly produce it.
 
2013-09-10 10:51:56 AM

Flint Ironstag: ut as this case in TFA shows it is not a strict liability as you suggest.


Let's see what the Crown Prosecution Service has to say about that:

Possession of Firearms by Adults
The Firearms Act 1968 creates offences of:

Section 1 - Possession of a firearm/specially dangerous air weapon and certain ammunition without a certificate, (Archbold, 24.3);

Section 2 - Possession of a "shotgun" without a certificate (Archbold, 24.9); NB: Shotguns can fall within various sections, see Evidence to Charge below.

Section 5 - Possession of a prohibited weapon (Archbold, 24.19).
The above offences are subject to certain exceptions (Archbold, 24.28 - 24.34)

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Possession
Section 1(1) of the Firearms Act 1968 creates an absolute offence.
The prosecution only has to show that the defendant knew he had something in his possession. It is irrelevant what he knew or thought it was
(R v Hussain (1981) 72 Cr. App. R. 143; R v Waller Crim. L.R. 1991, 381; Sullivan v Earl of Caithness [1976] 62 Cr. App. R 105). (Archbold 24-6).

Possession is both proprietary and custodial (Distinction from "have with him" in criminal use offences) (Hall v Cotton and Treadwell [1987] 83 Cr. App. R 257 DC).

...
There may be an overlap between an offence contrary to section 1 or section 2 and section 19 Firearms Act where a person with a firearm or loaded shotgun for which no certificate is held is in a public place. The following factors should be taken into account when determining the appropriate charge:

Section 1, section 2 and section 5 are offences of strict liability;


Don't mistake the mistake of confusing "prosecutorial discretion" with it not being a strict liability crime.  Possession of any kind of firearm in the UK without the proper permit is a strict liability crime.
 
2013-09-10 03:43:37 PM
Desperado UK: a briefcase instead of a guitarcase full of guns. Take me to BUCHO!!!
 
2013-09-10 07:08:06 PM

dittybopper: Flint Ironstag: ut as this case in TFA shows it is not a strict liability as you suggest.

Let's see what the Crown Prosecution Service has to say about that:

Possession of Firearms by Adults
The Firearms Act 1968 creates offences of:

Section 1 - Possession of a firearm/specially dangerous air weapon and certain ammunition without a certificate, (Archbold, 24.3);

Section 2 - Possession of a "shotgun" without a certificate (Archbold, 24.9); NB: Shotguns can fall within various sections, see Evidence to Charge below.

Section 5 - Possession of a prohibited weapon (Archbold, 24.19).
The above offences are subject to certain exceptions (Archbold, 24.28 - 24.34)

Top of page

Possession
Section 1(1) of the Firearms Act 1968 creates an absolute offence.
The prosecution only has to show that the defendant knew he had something in his possession. It is irrelevant what he knew or thought it was (R v Hussain (1981) 72 Cr. App. R. 143; R v Waller Crim. L.R. 1991, 381; Sullivan v Earl of Caithness [1976] 62 Cr. App. R 105). (Archbold 24-6).

Possession is both proprietary and custodial (Distinction from "have with him" in criminal use offences) (Hall v Cotton and Treadwell [1987] 83 Cr. App. R 257 DC).
...
There may be an overlap between an offence contrary to section 1 or section 2 and section 19 Firearms Act where a person with a firearm or loaded shotgun for which no certificate is held is in a public place. The following factors should be taken into account when determining the appropriate charge:

Section 1, section 2 and section 5 are offences of strict liability;


Don't mistake the mistake of confusing "prosecutorial discretion" with it not being a strict liability crime.  Possession of any kind of firearm in the UK without the proper permit is a strict liability crime.


But you said "No matter what he did, he was farked, because possession without a license in the UK is illegal no matter what you intent was: It's a strict liability crime. ".
If there is discretion then it wasn't a case of "No matter what he did he was farked". Had he dealt with it in a reasonable manner, as these two who found this sniper rifle did, then he would not have been farked. Your comment suggested there was no other possible outcome, that the police had to charge him. Strict liability means there is no defence, and that intent is irrelevant, if they decide to charge. It does not mean they must charge. Hence it was not a case of "No matter what he did, he was farked".

And BTW, I have driven on British roads with eight SA-80 assault rifles in the boot of my car, and no paperwork or licence to show any cop who might have stopped me that I was entitled to possess them. I was not worried about the "strict liability" of what I was doing. I had a good reason.
 
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