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(National Review)   If you want congressional support for your attack on Syria, sending Susan Rice on the anniversary of Benghazi might not be the best idea   ( nationalreview.com) divider line
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2013-09-09 10:36:55 AM  
Well, we wouldn't want to distract anyone from debating the merits of the idea now would we...
 
2013-09-09 10:38:26 AM  
Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
 
2013-09-09 10:53:33 AM  
Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets
 
2013-09-09 11:15:57 AM  
Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.
 
2013-09-09 11:16:28 AM  
I know there's something important to discuss, but I wanted to be sure to poison the well first.
 
2013-09-09 11:16:36 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


How about all of them, Charlie?
 
2013-09-09 11:16:43 AM  
But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.
 
2013-09-09 11:17:04 AM  
Drink!
 
2013-09-09 11:17:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


C'mon, that was a rookie mistake, coulda happened to anybody, just 3,000+ nobodies, a drop in the virtual bucket!

Benghazi, on the other hand, is the greatest criminal terrorist act in the history of history, and the colored socialist president behind those 4 deaths will pay for the blood on his hands!!!!

No cognitive dissonance whatsoever.
 
2013-09-09 11:18:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.


Troll-in-Chief strikes again!

In all seriousness, yes.  This is Obama either rubbing the GOP's face in their bad deeds concerning Ms Rice a year ago, and/or his attempt to get them to say NO and give him a reason to not move forward on military force concerning Syria.
 
2013-09-09 11:19:34 AM  
If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl
 
2013-09-09 11:24:43 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets



I know what I'd like to see dragged through the streets.

i651.photobucket.com
// Not dead yet!
 
2013-09-09 11:25:02 AM  
Rice may have some interesting new facts to bring to the discussion.
 
2013-09-09 11:26:58 AM  

iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl


It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.
 
2013-09-09 11:27:13 AM  

lennavan: Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.


1.  Dates on which Susan Rice still has any credibility--None.
 
2013-09-09 11:30:38 AM  
That lying sack of dung 0bammy is just rubbing our collective faces in the fact that he can circumcise congress and do as he pleases now. 0bongo lied, 4 brave patriots dyed. Trotting out this contemptuous, promiscuous Fluke on the most sacred of anniversaries - the anniversary of  4 Americans dyeing - is stomach turning. I'm composing a telegram to my congressperson at this moment demanding that they tell 0dumb0, the DemonCRAPS and this harlot to shove their agenda up their collective smelly obamas.

i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-09 11:32:50 AM  
Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?
 
2013-09-09 11:32:55 AM  
You know what?  All this shiat makes me miss the cold war and that really sucked.
 
2013-09-09 11:33:20 AM  
What if Obama did this because he really doesn't want to go to Syria?  Queue perplexed Keanu.
 
2013-09-09 11:34:16 AM  

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


Circular logic is circular
 
2013-09-09 11:34:30 AM  
RT has gone 9/11 truther do they really think they can save Syria by going there!?!
 
2013-09-09 11:35:24 AM  

soporific: Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


Obama may have underestimated just how much a chemical attack acts as a motivator for intervention. It's weird that the GOP is suddenly anti-war (no it's not - remember Bosnia in the late 90s and the Sudan shortly after? Remember how Clinton wanted Congress to do more before the USS Cole and the embassy attacks in Yemen/Oman?), though.

Pre-2003, the US is already in Syria handing out explosives like Halloween candy. Now, after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, we seem to have learned the wrong lesson - like a kid who touches a hot stove, and decides "STOVE BAD", we may be falsely equating things based on an incomplete reading of the situation.

// that said, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that shipping some Tridents to Syrian lands will help anything but the rubble industry
 
2013-09-09 11:37:02 AM  
The administration is now finally engaged in lobbying Congress and briefing members, even going so far as to have former Bush national-security adviser Stephen Hadley brief Republican members of Congress on the importance of approving the Syria resolution.

"Hmmm . .  who should we pick to make the case for going to war? It should probably be someone we implicitly trust, right? Oh, I know! Let's use a former Bush administration security adviser!" Seriously? Was Rush Limbaugh not available? Was Optimus Prime too busy?
 
2013-09-09 11:37:23 AM  
Maybe this is part of a plan by Obama to get Congress to re-assert their authority around declaring war, taking that power back from the presidency.  Maybe he believes that the power to declare war shouldn't lie with one man.

/nah, probably not.
 
2013-09-09 11:38:21 AM  

www.greendiary.com
Step right up, ladies!

 
2013-09-09 11:38:23 AM  
Nothing makes conservatives anti-war like a democrat in the White House...now if there were only a pill that made them stop mistaking the national review for a source of news or clarity...
 
2013-09-09 11:38:56 AM  
i38.tinypic.com

keep fighting the good fight, chicken farkers. maybe one day you'll be able to leverage the tragic murder of four americans to score political points against democrats. don't stop believin'!
 
2013-09-09 11:47:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: soporific: Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.

Obama may have underestimated just how much a chemical attack acts as a motivator for intervention. It's weird that the GOP is suddenly anti-war (no it's not - remember Bosnia in the late 90s and the Sudan shortly after? Remember how Clinton wanted Congress to do more before the USS Cole and the embassy attacks in Yemen/Oman?), though.

Pre-2003, the US is already in Syria handing out explosives like Halloween candy. Now, after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, we seem to have learned the wrong lesson - like a kid who touches a hot stove, and decides "STOVE BAD", we may be falsely equating things based on an incomplete reading of the situation.

// that said, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that shipping some Tridents to Syrian lands will help anything but the rubble industry


I honestly don't think it has anything to do with chemical weapons with some people. I figure a hardcore 30% anti-Obama group that would forgo water if he were to introduce legislation supporting the drinking of it.

There is not a damned thing he could back that would not get a knee-jerk opposite reaction. That would include an attack on American soil. No evidence would be strong enough, even with a group claiming responsibility and the whole thing on video. It would be called a ploy to do something else. It's farking despicable.
 
2013-09-09 11:48:57 AM  
If you want congressional support for anything, being a black Democrat might not be the best idea

FTFY
 
2013-09-09 11:50:04 AM  

tylerdurden217: Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?


Voting to go into Iraq along with their Democrat counterparts.

There are many Democrat members of Congress that are opposed to any military action in Syria. It's not just the Republicans.
 
2013-09-09 11:52:42 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: tylerdurden217: Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?

Voting to go into Iraq along with their Democrat counterparts.

There are many Democrat members of Congress that are opposed to any military action in Syria. It's not just the Republicans.


They also have a problem with a black president, obviously.
 
2013-09-09 11:52:43 AM  

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.



"If."

/also, you made the error of assuming that the Republicans would even consider agreeing with Obama on any subject instead of just reflexively taking the contrarian position
 
2013-09-09 11:56:05 AM  
so in the [PoS] Metro free newspaper this morning, I was informed that Syrians feel abandoned by America.

a refugee man who's so poor his 9 year old son was out at work, and whose daughter was hobbling around stooped in agony after a botched operation on her stomach found the time and leisure to be really quite articulate about america's lack of action and what he felt you guys should do

obviously he's completely untraceable and a cynical outlet would just fabricate the entire thing, but i won't believe that of today's press
 
2013-09-09 11:56:11 AM  

BravadoGT: lennavan: Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.

1.  Dates on which Susan Rice still has any credibility--None.


Oh noes, people who already didn't like her still don't like her! Shocking.
 
2013-09-09 12:06:29 PM  
Don't send someone who was unfairly vilified by asshole GOPers trying desperately to score political points? Why the fark not? Let them cry again.
 
2013-09-09 12:08:31 PM  
What does it matter? Republicans get outraged/indignant about anything anyone does except them. They even get outraged/indignant about things Republicans do if it turns out it isn't harming/going to harm other people quite as much as they thought it was going to.
 
2013-09-09 12:09:40 PM  
Ever consider the idea that Obama actually doesn't want to do anything about Syria and he's sabotaging the effort for political reasons?
 
2013-09-09 12:11:39 PM  

patrick767: Don't send someone who was unfairly vilified by asshole GOPers trying desperately to score political points? Why the fark not? Let them cry again.


Mid term elections coming up? I like it. Only problem is, there are an awful lot of facebook forwards that are still screaming about a cover-up and conspiracy. I've had to start de-friending relatives. Truly ignorant stuff. And they don't want to hear debate on it, they just want to scream about it.
 
2013-09-09 12:11:55 PM  
what difference does it make
 
2013-09-09 12:13:10 PM  

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


So, it's a trap? Unless the republicans take a third option.

/ if your opponent gives you two targets; strike at a third.
 
2013-09-09 12:17:11 PM  

paygun: what difference does it make


Oh man, now you've done it...you'll be dodging sniper fire for the rest of this thread...
 
2013-09-09 12:18:36 PM  

iheartscotch: soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.

So, it's a trap? Unless the republicans take a third option.

/ if your opponent gives you two targets; strike at a third.


So another vote to defund Obamacare it is!
 
2013-09-09 12:29:11 PM  
Political slapfight aside, does anyone here really want another war in the Mideast?

Most Americans and congresscritters don't want to see it happen, I doubt the president can change that at this point.
 
2013-09-09 12:31:22 PM  
Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:23 PM  

paygun: what difference does it make


the telling of made up stories and the repetition of those lies leads to loss of credibility both at home and abroad.  At home it makes thinking people wonder if they are being told the truth "this time" or what the political motive is.  Abroad the loss of credibility and in inability to admit the truth to your own citizens displays weakness.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:44 PM  

super_grass: Political slapfight aside, does anyone here really want another war in the Mideast?

Most Americans and congresscritters don't want to see it happen, I doubt the president can change that at this point.


He might have his out, what with everyone suddenly deciding they're cool with surrendering all Chemical Weapons to the UN or another body.
 
2013-09-09 12:33:15 PM  
www.ruthlessreviews.com
 
2013-09-09 12:34:12 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Ever consider the idea that Obama actually doesn't want to do anything about Syria and he's sabotaging the effort for political reasons?


Honestly, that wouldn't really surprise me. He painted himself into a corner with a poorly thought out statement, and blaming congress is just about his only hope for trying to remain credible while not backing up his words.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:06 PM  

gnosis301: What if Obama did this because he really doesn't want to go to Syria?  Queue perplexed Keanu.


Cue for you to buy a dictionary.
 
2013-09-09 12:36:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.


Just might.
 
2013-09-09 12:36:42 PM  
Wow, I never thought I'd be able to use this again.

i.imgur.com

I don't want to waste money on another pointless war/bombing/police action/no-fly zone, but bringing this up? WTF.
 
2013-09-09 12:37:35 PM  

Nuclear Monk: iheartscotch: soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.

So, it's a trap? Unless the republicans take a third option.

/ if your opponent gives you two targets; strike at a third.

So another vote to defund Obamacare it is!


No, that's too obvious.

We'll take some of the funding from Obama care to bomb the shiat out of Syria; make sure everybody knows we're NOT takinf it all. As the war becomes a more massive boondoggle; we slowly take more and more funding from Obama care, until it's all gone.

But, we will have to make it look like we are reluctant to tap into funds earmarked for Obama care. That way; the dems overreact and insist we take the funding straight from Obama care.

/ if you'll excuse me; I have to go see my tailor. For this ruse to work; I'll need a black top hat, a black shirt, a black jacket, a pair of black slacks and a evil black mustash. Plus, I might have to tie somebody to the railroad tracks.
 
2013-09-09 12:39:14 PM  

AeAe: Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.


...and they're all related to Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Nero.
 
2013-09-09 12:42:05 PM  

super_grass: Political slapfight aside, does anyone here really want another war in the Mideast?


I know, right? A year later, we're still in Libya!

// no one wants another long-term engagement
// if this is "6 missiles and then we get the fark out of dodge"...?
 
2013-09-09 12:44:14 PM  

safetycap: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


I know what I'd like to see dragged through the streets.

[i651.photobucket.com image 500x442]
// Not dead yet!


I hope he lives a thousand years, an old bitter man that we can point at and tell our children that some favors come with too high a price. I will live that long too, just in spite, so that every day I can walk by his sunken, lifeless eyes and look into his crushed soul and laugh. Death is too good for him.

//But, let me tell you how I really feel.
 
2013-09-09 12:45:04 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: There are many Democrat members of Congress that are opposed to any military action in Syria. It's not just the Republicans.


It's just those Democrats didn't have to be told by a constituent named "Limbaugh" that they were against military action in Syria.
 
2013-09-09 12:47:12 PM  

AeAe: Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.


s.mcstatic.com

/hot like a threesome with Steamed Rice
 
2013-09-09 12:51:18 PM  
Has she ever answered for her lies?
 
2013-09-09 12:55:44 PM  
Perhaps is there had been this much skepticism when Little George was prez. We would not have lost so many in Iraq.
 
2013-09-09 12:56:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


Or it could be, I am just guessing you understand, that Rice is relevant to the Benghazi debacle/cover-up and not the WTC/Pentagon thing.   But I am just guessing here
 
2013-09-09 12:57:03 PM  
That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.
 
2013-09-09 01:05:58 PM  

sage254: That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.


Yeah, remember that 2001 speech on missile defense she gave?

Oh, wait - you don't. Reported to be based on missile defense as "the cornerstone of the new national defense strategy", Condi's speech, which was to be given on 11SEP2001, was made classified after the attacks.

Whether because it would make the administration look like idiots or because Condi had inadvertently clued al Qaeda in to the fact that our focus was elsewhere (leaving them free to plan and conduct the attack in about 3 hours), I leave to the reader.
 
2013-09-09 01:11:43 PM  

hasty ambush: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets

Or it could be, I am just guessing you understand, that Rice is relevant to the Benghazi debacle/cover-up and not the WTC/Pentagon thing.   But I am just guessing here


I understand Benghazi is irrelevant

/just like the endless bleating about it
 
2013-09-09 01:19:34 PM  

safetycap: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


I know what I'd like to see dragged through the streets.

[i651.photobucket.com image 500x442]
// Not dead yet!


Because he is the evil one?

Obama Administration Had Restrictions On NSA Reversed In 2011


safr.kingfeatures.com
 
2013-09-09 01:25:13 PM  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/07/obama-restrictions-nsa_n_388 7 978.html

Obama Administration Had Restrictions On NSA Reversed In 2011

Nice link!
How do you guys like him now?
 
2013-09-09 01:26:20 PM  
sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-09-09 01:35:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: sage254: That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.

Yeah, remember that 2001 speech on missile defense she gave?

Oh, wait - you don't. Reported to be based on missile defense as "the cornerstone of the new national defense strategy", Condi's speech, which was to be given on 11SEP2001, was made classified after the attacks.

Whether because it would make the administration look like idiots or because Condi had inadvertently clued al Qaeda in to the fact that our focus was elsewhere (leaving them free to plan and conduct the attack in about 3 hours), I leave to the reader.


Link does not resolve. No matter. Regardless of the fact that September 11th 2001 changed foreign policy of the United States (and pretty much domestic policy across the board), Condi Rice was an extremely successful UN ambassador, foreign policy adviser and Secretary of State.
 
2013-09-09 01:35:52 PM  

sage254: That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.


You forget the US had a lot of credibility that Condaleeza Rice was able to burn clean through.  Guess what?  Now Kerry, et al, have none of that credibility to bank on.
 
2013-09-09 01:46:29 PM  

Cletus C.: Rice may have some interesting new facts to bring to the discussion.


She's going to blame it on a Youtube video nobody has ever seen?

I hope she blames something on Fraggle Rock this time....
 
2013-09-09 02:00:20 PM  

Deep Contact: AeAe: Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.

...and they're all related to Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Nero.


don't be silly.  They clearly don't have the same last names.
 
2013-09-09 02:08:19 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: sage254: That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.

You forget the US had a lot of credibility that Condaleeza Rice was able to burn clean through.  Guess what?  Now Kerry, et al, have none of that credibility to bank on.


That's irrelevant. She was able to convince and get the world going with whatever the White House wanted. That takes a good foreign policy secretary. You can not blame her for setting the policy. That was a job of the resident of the White House and the congress.
 
2013-09-09 02:10:55 PM  

sage254: Link does not resolve. No matter. Regardless of the fact that September 11th 2001 changed foreign policy of the United States (and pretty much domestic policy across the board), Condi Rice was an extremely successful UN ambassador, foreign policy adviser and Secretary of State.


Try the second one - TPM sources the story/quote to WaPo.

The Bush admin was caught off guard by the reality of what the national security strategy would be, even though Clinton told him al Qaeda (and bin Laden specifically) should be on their radar - but instead, all we heard about that summer were porn bombs, missing "W" keys, and Chandra Levy. So yes, it "changed" the foreign policy, but only because it had been "changed" 9 months prior with the (s)election of the new president.

Condi Rice was only as successful as she was directed to be, which ranged from "very" to "not at all". I remember her selling increasingly unbelievable stories about Iraq-al Qaeda, but once I heard about the missile defense speech, she became Ari Fleischer in a smart dress.
 
2013-09-09 02:19:19 PM  

sage254: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: sage254: That's why I prefer Condi to Susan any day. Or Condy to John. Condi knew how to talk foreign policy and convince the world of what the White House needs to do is right (and no matter what side of the isle you are on -- you gotta agree with me on this.)
The only person who is better than Condi is Madeline Albright and even more -- Henry Kissenger.

You forget the US had a lot of credibility that Condaleeza Rice was able to burn clean through.  Guess what?  Now Kerry, et al, have none of that credibility to bank on.

That's irrelevant. She was able to convince and get the world going with whatever the White House wanted. That takes a good foreign policy secretary. You can not blame her for setting the policy. That was a job of the resident of the White House and the congress.


No, certainly not irrelevant.  How can you imagine it not to be?  She started from a position of superior credibility and helped strongarm the world into doing our bidding (with plenty of anxiety, to be sure).  Now that hill cannot be climbed and addressed from, you're blaming her antecedents for lacking the same environment?  That's nonsense.
 
2013-09-09 03:42:28 PM  
Obama: "Your move republicans".
i265.photobucket.com
Republicans: "We don't know how to play checkers".
 
2013-09-09 06:19:36 PM  

Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.

Troll-in-Chief strikes again!

In all seriousness, yes.  This is Obama either rubbing the GOP's face in their bad deeds concerning Ms Rice a year ago, and/or his attempt to get them to say NO and give him a reason to not move forward on military force concerning Syria.


Or, maybe Obama's just an idiot with no idea how to be Commander in Chief, and has been letting his foreign policy ride on auto-pilot up until now.  He sees the bridge out ahead, but has no clue how to avoid it.
 
2013-09-09 08:37:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I understand Benghazi is irrelevant


Damn, if Nixon would have just taken that stance about Watergate he could have stayed in office.  Of course that did not end up with dead Americans so it was probably even more irrelevant.
 
2013-09-09 09:28:06 PM  

Satanic_Hamster

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2013-09-09 11:16:36 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


We need another school shooting stat
 
2013-09-09 09:39:50 PM  
VendorXeno
Nothing makes conservatives anti-war like a democrat in the White House...now if there were only a pill that made them stop mistaking the national review for a source of news or clarity...


Republicans don't accuse Dems of wanting to kill brown people because they are afraid of Mexicans though. With Republicans, we know where they stand, they want to kill shiat when in power, and not kill shiat when not in power, attempting to make the opposing party look bad. Dems though, you dirty bastards pretend to be champions of human rights, playing every race and gender card in your deck, until you get power and then you are ready to kill, arrest, or blackmail everything or everyone that...well, everything and everyone
 
2013-09-10 06:10:51 AM  

AeAe: Deep Contact: AeAe: Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.

...and they're all related to Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Nero.

don't be silly.  They clearly don't have the same last names.


Must be from the mothers side.
 
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