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(National Review)   If you want congressional support for your attack on Syria, sending Susan Rice on the anniversary of Benghazi might not be the best idea   (nationalreview.com) divider line 79
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2013-09-09 10:36:55 AM
Well, we wouldn't want to distract anyone from debating the merits of the idea now would we...
 
2013-09-09 10:38:26 AM
Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
 
2013-09-09 10:53:33 AM
Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets
 
2013-09-09 11:15:57 AM
Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.
 
2013-09-09 11:16:28 AM
I know there's something important to discuss, but I wanted to be sure to poison the well first.
 
2013-09-09 11:16:36 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


How about all of them, Charlie?
 
2013-09-09 11:16:43 AM
But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.
 
2013-09-09 11:17:04 AM
Drink!
 
2013-09-09 11:17:07 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, so it's the anniversary of Benghazi now and not about the WTC attack?

/you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets


C'mon, that was a rookie mistake, coulda happened to anybody, just 3,000+ nobodies, a drop in the virtual bucket!

Benghazi, on the other hand, is the greatest criminal terrorist act in the history of history, and the colored socialist president behind those 4 deaths will pay for the blood on his hands!!!!

No cognitive dissonance whatsoever.
 
2013-09-09 11:18:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.


Troll-in-Chief strikes again!

In all seriousness, yes.  This is Obama either rubbing the GOP's face in their bad deeds concerning Ms Rice a year ago, and/or his attempt to get them to say NO and give him a reason to not move forward on military force concerning Syria.
 
2013-09-09 11:19:34 AM
If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl
 
2013-09-09 11:24:43 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you assholes are losing track of which dead Americans you want to drag through the streets



I know what I'd like to see dragged through the streets.

i651.photobucket.com
// Not dead yet!
 
2013-09-09 11:25:02 AM
Rice may have some interesting new facts to bring to the discussion.
 
2013-09-09 11:26:58 AM

iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl


It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.
 
2013-09-09 11:27:13 AM

lennavan: Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.


1.  Dates on which Susan Rice still has any credibility--None.
 
2013-09-09 11:30:38 AM
That lying sack of dung 0bammy is just rubbing our collective faces in the fact that he can circumcise congress and do as he pleases now. 0bongo lied, 4 brave patriots dyed. Trotting out this contemptuous, promiscuous Fluke on the most sacred of anniversaries - the anniversary of  4 Americans dyeing - is stomach turning. I'm composing a telegram to my congressperson at this moment demanding that they tell 0dumb0, the DemonCRAPS and this harlot to shove their agenda up their collective smelly obamas.

i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-09 11:32:50 AM
Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?
 
2013-09-09 11:32:55 AM
You know what?  All this shiat makes me miss the cold war and that really sucked.
 
2013-09-09 11:33:20 AM
What if Obama did this because he really doesn't want to go to Syria?  Queue perplexed Keanu.
 
2013-09-09 11:34:16 AM

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


Circular logic is circular
 
2013-09-09 11:34:30 AM
RT has gone 9/11 truther do they really think they can save Syria by going there!?!
 
2013-09-09 11:35:24 AM

soporific: Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


Obama may have underestimated just how much a chemical attack acts as a motivator for intervention. It's weird that the GOP is suddenly anti-war (no it's not - remember Bosnia in the late 90s and the Sudan shortly after? Remember how Clinton wanted Congress to do more before the USS Cole and the embassy attacks in Yemen/Oman?), though.

Pre-2003, the US is already in Syria handing out explosives like Halloween candy. Now, after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, we seem to have learned the wrong lesson - like a kid who touches a hot stove, and decides "STOVE BAD", we may be falsely equating things based on an incomplete reading of the situation.

// that said, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that shipping some Tridents to Syrian lands will help anything but the rubble industry
 
2013-09-09 11:37:02 AM
The administration is now finally engaged in lobbying Congress and briefing members, even going so far as to have former Bush national-security adviser Stephen Hadley brief Republican members of Congress on the importance of approving the Syria resolution.

"Hmmm . .  who should we pick to make the case for going to war? It should probably be someone we implicitly trust, right? Oh, I know! Let's use a former Bush administration security adviser!" Seriously? Was Rush Limbaugh not available? Was Optimus Prime too busy?
 
2013-09-09 11:37:23 AM
Maybe this is part of a plan by Obama to get Congress to re-assert their authority around declaring war, taking that power back from the presidency.  Maybe he believes that the power to declare war shouldn't lie with one man.

/nah, probably not.
 
2013-09-09 11:38:21 AM
www.greendiary.com
Step right up, ladies!
 
2013-09-09 11:38:23 AM
Nothing makes conservatives anti-war like a democrat in the White House...now if there were only a pill that made them stop mistaking the national review for a source of news or clarity...
 
2013-09-09 11:38:56 AM
i38.tinypic.com

keep fighting the good fight, chicken farkers. maybe one day you'll be able to leverage the tragic murder of four americans to score political points against democrats. don't stop believin'!
 
2013-09-09 11:47:39 AM

Dr Dreidel: soporific: Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.

Obama may have underestimated just how much a chemical attack acts as a motivator for intervention. It's weird that the GOP is suddenly anti-war (no it's not - remember Bosnia in the late 90s and the Sudan shortly after? Remember how Clinton wanted Congress to do more before the USS Cole and the embassy attacks in Yemen/Oman?), though.

Pre-2003, the US is already in Syria handing out explosives like Halloween candy. Now, after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, we seem to have learned the wrong lesson - like a kid who touches a hot stove, and decides "STOVE BAD", we may be falsely equating things based on an incomplete reading of the situation.

// that said, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that shipping some Tridents to Syrian lands will help anything but the rubble industry


I honestly don't think it has anything to do with chemical weapons with some people. I figure a hardcore 30% anti-Obama group that would forgo water if he were to introduce legislation supporting the drinking of it.

There is not a damned thing he could back that would not get a knee-jerk opposite reaction. That would include an attack on American soil. No evidence would be strong enough, even with a group claiming responsibility and the whole thing on video. It would be called a ploy to do something else. It's farking despicable.
 
2013-09-09 11:48:57 AM
If you want congressional support for anything, being a black Democrat might not be the best idea

FTFY
 
2013-09-09 11:50:04 AM

tylerdurden217: Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?


Voting to go into Iraq along with their Democrat counterparts.

There are many Democrat members of Congress that are opposed to any military action in Syria. It's not just the Republicans.
 
2013-09-09 11:52:42 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: tylerdurden217: Where were all the anti-war isolationist Republicans when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?

Voting to go into Iraq along with their Democrat counterparts.

There are many Democrat members of Congress that are opposed to any military action in Syria. It's not just the Republicans.


They also have a problem with a black president, obviously.
 
2013-09-09 11:52:43 AM

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.



"If."

/also, you made the error of assuming that the Republicans would even consider agreeing with Obama on any subject instead of just reflexively taking the contrarian position
 
2013-09-09 11:56:05 AM
so in the [PoS] Metro free newspaper this morning, I was informed that Syrians feel abandoned by America.

a refugee man who's so poor his 9 year old son was out at work, and whose daughter was hobbling around stooped in agony after a botched operation on her stomach found the time and leisure to be really quite articulate about america's lack of action and what he felt you guys should do

obviously he's completely untraceable and a cynical outlet would just fabricate the entire thing, but i won't believe that of today's press
 
2013-09-09 11:56:11 AM

BravadoGT: lennavan: Can I get a list of dates where it's okay to do stuff and what is okay to do that day?  I don't wanna step on any toes.  I assume I should just take Sept 11th off.

1.  Dates on which Susan Rice still has any credibility--None.


Oh noes, people who already didn't like her still don't like her! Shocking.
 
2013-09-09 12:06:29 PM
Don't send someone who was unfairly vilified by asshole GOPers trying desperately to score political points? Why the fark not? Let them cry again.
 
2013-09-09 12:08:31 PM
What does it matter? Republicans get outraged/indignant about anything anyone does except them. They even get outraged/indignant about things Republicans do if it turns out it isn't harming/going to harm other people quite as much as they thought it was going to.
 
2013-09-09 12:09:40 PM
Ever consider the idea that Obama actually doesn't want to do anything about Syria and he's sabotaging the effort for political reasons?
 
2013-09-09 12:11:39 PM

patrick767: Don't send someone who was unfairly vilified by asshole GOPers trying desperately to score political points? Why the fark not? Let them cry again.


Mid term elections coming up? I like it. Only problem is, there are an awful lot of facebook forwards that are still screaming about a cover-up and conspiracy. I've had to start de-friending relatives. Truly ignorant stuff. And they don't want to hear debate on it, they just want to scream about it.
 
2013-09-09 12:11:55 PM
what difference does it make
 
2013-09-09 12:13:10 PM

soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.


So, it's a trap? Unless the republicans take a third option.

/ if your opponent gives you two targets; strike at a third.
 
2013-09-09 12:17:11 PM

paygun: what difference does it make


Oh man, now you've done it...you'll be dodging sniper fire for the rest of this thread...
 
2013-09-09 12:18:36 PM

iheartscotch: soporific: iheartscotch: If I didn't know any better; I'd say that our good buddy, Obama, doesn't want to help the poor Syrians..... Good god, that sneaky bastard! He's doing this in the most foot-draggingest way possible.

/ clever girl

It might be a clever move. Get the usual war-hungry Republicans to oppose it, which not only will cause them harm in 2014 but give him an out.

However, if the Republicans see through this ruse and vote for military action, that might be his plan all along. If the Republicans are on his side, even reluctantly, it gives his actions legitimacy.

Of course, this could be the first 2012 debate all over again, where he's just blowing it and letting the Republicans run the table.

So, it's a trap? Unless the republicans take a third option.

/ if your opponent gives you two targets; strike at a third.


So another vote to defund Obamacare it is!
 
2013-09-09 12:29:11 PM
Political slapfight aside, does anyone here really want another war in the Mideast?

Most Americans and congresscritters don't want to see it happen, I doubt the president can change that at this point.
 
2013-09-09 12:31:22 PM
Little known fact - Condeleeza Rice and Susan Rice are first cousins.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:23 PM

paygun: what difference does it make


the telling of made up stories and the repetition of those lies leads to loss of credibility both at home and abroad.  At home it makes thinking people wonder if they are being told the truth "this time" or what the political motive is.  Abroad the loss of credibility and in inability to admit the truth to your own citizens displays weakness.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:44 PM

super_grass: Political slapfight aside, does anyone here really want another war in the Mideast?

Most Americans and congresscritters don't want to see it happen, I doubt the president can change that at this point.


He might have his out, what with everyone suddenly deciding they're cool with surrendering all Chemical Weapons to the UN or another body.
 
2013-09-09 12:33:15 PM
www.ruthlessreviews.com
 
2013-09-09 12:34:12 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Ever consider the idea that Obama actually doesn't want to do anything about Syria and he's sabotaging the effort for political reasons?


Honestly, that wouldn't really surprise me. He painted himself into a corner with a poorly thought out statement, and blaming congress is just about his only hope for trying to remain credible while not backing up his words.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:06 PM

gnosis301: What if Obama did this because he really doesn't want to go to Syria?  Queue perplexed Keanu.


Cue for you to buy a dictionary.
 
2013-09-09 12:36:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: But if your goal is to troll them in to saying no and giving you an out, she might be a ringer.


Just might.
 
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