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2013-09-09 08:57:13 PM  
ESPN just aired a tweet from Gordon. He's pissed.
 
2013-09-09 09:00:06 PM  
Wow.
NASCAR did something almost right. They should have made it a 13 car chase field and let Gordon in because of Vicker's pitting at the end of the race intentionally screwed him.
 
2013-09-09 09:00:23 PM  

DanZero: Michael Waltrip @mw55

This wasn't a master plan or about a spin. It's about a split-second decision made by Ty to try to help a teammate. I stand by my people


Utter pinnochio.

Two teams, *at the same time*, making changes that change the landscape.

Sorry, but that is fresher bs than what's in the field.

Also, Gordon is being very classy about all this. Best to him...
 
2013-09-09 09:01:48 PM  
They take away driver points and a chase spot from the one guy on the team who didn't appear to be in on it (but was the beneficiary), while giving the guy who was behind the biggest, most dangerous, and most shameful a slap on the wrist that's functionally worthless.

NASCAR clearly doesn't understand or care why fans were truly angry here, they just threw out the most easily token penalty they could muster to beg fans to shut up. One of the blackest days in the history of the sport.
 
2013-09-09 09:02:05 PM  

Clutch2013: ESPN just aired a tweet from Gordon. He's pissed.


I liked the anchor's response.

"Three question marks. That's a lot of characters."
 
2013-09-09 09:04:40 PM  

smerfnablin: Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday


link to comments? Or better yet just surmise it real quick? been a crazy work week...
 
2013-09-09 09:04:56 PM  
Mark my words: Bowyer wins the Chase.
 
2013-09-09 09:05:08 PM  
fark Michael waltrip

Fox and napa need to fire his ass

Jeff Gordon needs to put Bowyer in the wall then punch Mikey in the mouth
 
2013-09-09 09:06:44 PM  
Nascar Memes @NascarMemes

Truex's reaction at home.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-09 09:08:14 PM  

rubertidom: smerfnablin: Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday

link to comments? Or better yet just surmise it real quick? been a crazy work week...


Saturday when asked about how the 55 made the chase he said truex has really great teammates

Sunday when he was quoted and asked to explain he knew nothing, couldn't explain the context, then said no comment

It was like they asked him to comment on finding him in bed with a transvestite hooker
 
2013-09-09 09:08:57 PM  

zanysatsuma: Mark my words: Bowyer wins the Chase.


Clint's going to have trouble finishing every race.

/nudge nudge
//wink wink
 
2013-09-09 09:09:36 PM  

smerfnablin: fark Michael waltrip

Fox and napa need to fire his ass

Jeff Gordon needs to put Bowyer in the wall then punch Mikey in the mouth


With not much to race for, I'm sure there will be a few people looking for retribution on MWRs cars this weekend. NASCAR may have cleaned up their image in the past decade, but at heart there's still a lot of drivers, owners, crew chiefs, officials, and spotters that are good ole southern boys that don't take too kindly to that kind of bullshiat.

/ wouldn't be surprised if some MWR cars get really hassled at tech
// possibly even fail inspection.
 
2013-09-09 09:12:11 PM  
NAPA No (way you're getting in the chase any) How

/expect less NAPA ads next year
 
2013-09-09 09:13:06 PM  

smerfnablin: Clutch2013: Jensaarai: So, if working with a teammate to manipulate the points is bad, will we see NASCAR regulating all calls to pit road designed to help a teammate? How about pulling over to let your teammate get a point for leading or clinching the "leading the most laps?" Letting them around you when they're on the tail end of the lead lap? These are all common on-track behaviors.

We all know directly and intentionally wrecking championship contenders is only worthy of a slap on the wrist.

Because showing a little courtesy and doing the aforementioned is exactly the same thing as ordering one of your drivers, over open channels, to spin his car out to draw a caution and another driver to pit and then subsequently run laps 50 mph slower than anyone else out there.

If anything, MWR still got off light.  Bowyer should be sitting on the outside as well, and all three should get a time out for this weekend.

I'm a little anxious to see how the sponsors react.  If this is as much of a big deal to them as Smoke said it was, I'm eagerly awaiting the reports of NAPA, 5-Hour Energy and Aaron's either going "FARK YOU, we're out" or "Get your farking house in order by this date, or we're gone."

One of the articles pointe out sponsors pay millions to teams for each driver that makes the chase

Napa gets to put their checkbook away and in pretty sure Mikey is going to have issues getting sponsors when these contracts are up...

I think the 55 is locked in but the limited race schedule 56 might be pressed for dollars next year


Toyota is HATING this, "honor" is HUGE to the Japs. They may very well kick Mikey to the curb now, it's no secret that this is really their house team anyways.
 
2013-09-09 09:13:58 PM  

smerfnablin: Jeff Gordon needs to put Bowyer in the wall then punch Mikey in the mouth


He should wait until it benefits his teammates though like he did last year. ;)
 
2013-09-09 09:17:09 PM  
Congrats Newman

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-09 09:19:40 PM  

DanZero: Congrats Newman

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x602]


I loled.

Will LOL again.
 
2013-09-09 09:21:56 PM  

DanZero: Congrats Newman

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x602]


I was waiting for that.  Good work.

I've been listening to the NASCAR channel on Sirius/XM all day, and Dave Moody made a good point (before the penalty was announced).  He said he feels bad for Bowyer, as he was given direct (indirect) orders to spin.  He had no choice.  You could tell from his tone that he didn't want to, but knew he had to.

I also feel horrible for Truex.  I believe he was truly innocent in all of this.  But all that being said, congrats to Newman.

Of course, Kyle Petty compared everyone at MWR to the 1919 Chicago Black Sox and said whatever penalty NASCAR dished out wasn't severe enough.  Yeah...
 
2013-09-09 09:23:07 PM  
Fifty points from Boyerdoor..
 
2013-09-09 09:25:31 PM  

DanZero: Congrats Newman


NASCAR should do just that...

Bad photoshop skills and all
 
2013-09-09 09:25:50 PM  

smerfnablin: rubertidom: smerfnablin: Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday

link to comments? Or better yet just surmise it real quick? been a crazy work week...

Saturday when asked about how the 55 made the chase he said truex has really great teammates

Sunday when he was quoted and asked to explain he knew nothing, couldn't explain the context, then said no comment

It was like they asked him to comment on finding him in bed with a transvestite hooker


Thank you
 
2013-09-09 09:26:24 PM  

smerfnablin: DanZero: Congrats Newman

NASCAR should do just that...

Bad photoshop skills and all


That was Nascarcasm's bad skills
 
2013-09-09 09:26:56 PM  
Called it. (Though I said 250k)
 
2013-09-09 09:31:02 PM  
nascarcasm @nascarcasm

Congrats to Newman, who got a job, a Chase berth, and a free Bloomin' Onion on what will go down in history as "Least sh-tty Monday ever."
 
2013-09-09 09:32:07 PM  
I am glad NASCAR reviewed all of the info and booted Truex out. I think the sponsors will be PISSED and the additional punishment against MWR'S will be in ways that aren't so obvious to the casual observer. And I am really glad Newman is in. He earned that right.
 
2013-09-09 09:32:25 PM  
Contrarian tendencies aside, I think NASCAR came the closest it has to making a "right call" tonight that I can remember.

I just don't know if it'll be enough to truly curtail the long ignored growing cancer that is team orders. As technical restrictions tighten more and more in the coming years, I fear we will only have an increase on track shenanigans, both in frequency and scale. Guys like Hendrick and Roush will just become more clever about it like they did in F1 when it was still widely practiced but technically illegal. More code words, intentionally blown motors, and even false "rivalries" to cover taking out competitors are all in the future of the sport, I fear.
 
2013-09-09 09:33:20 PM  

soopey: Wow.
NASCAR did something almost right. They should have made it a 13 car chase field and let Gordon in because of Vicker's pitting at the end of the race intentionally screwed him.


I'd have had no problem if Bowyer had been tossed from the Chase and Gordon let in as another Wild Card.

the biggest redneck here: Toyota is HATING this, "honor" is HUGE to the Japs.


I am glad you put that in caps, because Japanese leadership (see: Pride Fighting, TEPCO, etc) seems to only care, these days, when their dishonor becomes public.
 
2013-09-09 09:34:15 PM  
Err, quotations, not caps.

Anywho, yes, this shouldn't fly well with them. Now, if Ferrari were in NASCAR... fuggeddaboutit!
 
2013-09-09 09:37:37 PM  

vegaswench: Of course, Kyle Petty compared everyone at MWR to the 1919 Chicago Black Sox and said whatever penalty NASCAR dished out wasn't severe enough. Yeah...


For a number of reasons, I think he's absolutely right.

I'd rather every athlete ever take as many PEDs as possible than intentionally fix results (or be involved in said fixing).

Leave that crap to the occasional Super Bowl ref or World Series ump, or the BCS.
 
2013-09-09 09:37:47 PM  
They should have just parked MWR for the remainder of the year.  No fines, no suspensions, no point deductions - just a BIG "think about this until we go to Daytona next year."
 
2013-09-09 09:38:21 PM  
@dustinlong
Michael Waltrip Racing announces it will NOT appeal penalties.
 
2013-09-09 09:42:29 PM  

good_2_go: @dustinlong
Michael Waltrip Racing announces it will NOT appeal penalties.


Also, MWR just released this statement:

What occurred on the No. 55 radio at the end of Saturday night's race in Richmond was a split-second decision made by team spotter Ty Norris to bring the No. 55 to pit lane and help a teammate earn a place in the Chase.  We apologize to NASCAR, our fellow competitors, partners and fans who were disappointed in our actions.  We will learn from this & move on.
 
2013-09-09 09:43:50 PM  

vegaswench: good_2_go: @dustinlong
Michael Waltrip Racing announces it will NOT appeal penalties.

Also, MWR just released this statement:

What occurred on the No. 55 radio at the end of Saturday night's race in Richmond was a split-second decision made by team spotter Ty Norris to bring the No. 55 to pit lane and help a teammate earn a place in the Chase.  We apologize to NASCAR, our fellow competitors, partners and fans who were disappointed in our actions.  We will learn from this & move on.


And yet, nothing about the 15. Fu*k them.
 
2013-09-09 09:44:32 PM  

good_2_go: @dustinlong
Michael Waltrip Racing announces it will NOT appeal penalties.


Toyota's call.
 
2013-09-09 09:45:06 PM  
As an aside, isn't it weird how Twitter has taken over as the place for news instead of radio and TV?  The accuracy of most of it is to be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but if you had told me that five years ago we would be getting our news from Twitter instead of news websites, I would have thought you were nuts.  Yet, here we are.  Retweeting news into a news aggregate.
 
2013-09-09 09:45:20 PM  

smerfnablin: fark Michael waltrip


Jeff Gordon needs to put Bowyer in the wall then punch Mikey in the mouth


He can't reach that high....
 
2013-09-09 09:46:14 PM  

the biggest redneck here: And yet, nothing about the 15. Fu*k them.


It wasn't Clint's spin that brought about the penalty...

@JennaFryer
Helton: "There's not conclusive evidence that the spin was intentional. There's a lot of chatter, but we didn't see any conclusive evidence

@dustinlong
Helton said the "most clear piece of evidence'' of MWR"s actions was the radio conversation on Vickers' channel.
 
2013-09-09 09:49:26 PM  

good_2_go: the biggest redneck here: And yet, nothing about the 15. Fu*k them.

It wasn't Clint's spin that brought about the penalty...

@JennaFryer
Helton: "There's not conclusive evidence that the spin was intentional. There's a lot of chatter, but we didn't see any conclusive evidence

@dustinlong
Helton said the "most clear piece of evidence'' of MWR"s actions was the radio conversation on Vickers' channel.


That's ridiculous.
 
2013-09-09 09:56:29 PM  
Random question :

Is waltrip going to be driving the 55 at talladega?

If so Gordon is going to have a very busy day

/might need to buy tickets
//can bring power idol if you want me to rub it on the 15 or 18
 
2013-09-09 09:57:45 PM  

vegaswench: As an aside, isn't it weird how Twitter has taken over as the place for news instead of radio and TV?  The accuracy of most of it is to be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but if you had told me that five years ago we would be getting our news from Twitter instead of news websites, I would have thought you were nuts.  Yet, here we are.  Retweeting news into a news aggregate.


No problems with me. They got the news (and the laughs) a lot more right on than a lot of news outlets.
 
2013-09-09 09:58:08 PM  
As long as that assclown Mike Helton is in a position of authority within the sport, NASCAR will continue to slide further into absurdity and eventual irrelevancy in a cycle of self-inflicted destruction.

/Done.
 
2013-09-09 10:01:31 PM  
Bowyer was penalized and still had the points to make the Chase, I don't see why he should be booted. Besides, it's going to be farking hilarious watching him get wrecked at some point in the final races. I do think they should have made an exception and added Gordon.
 
2013-09-09 10:06:13 PM  
 
2013-09-09 10:09:09 PM  

smerfnablin: Random question :

Is waltrip going to be driving the 55 at talladega?

If so Gordon is going to have a very busy day

/might need to buy tickets
//can bring power idol if you want me to rub it on the 15 or 18


That was the original plan...he may re-think that.
 
2013-09-09 10:09:53 PM  
Absolute horseshiat! I wonder if they forgot (how conveniently) that every "start and park" car entered also "manipulates the finishing order" by taking up the lower points spots so that someone who wrecks early won't lose as many points as they could have if all the cars actually tried to finish the race.

Not to mention JJ (running 40th many laps down) hit the wall to bring out a yellow so Jeffy wouldn't get lapped. Gordon intentionally took out Boyer last year during the chase and didn't get penalized, doesn't that "alter the outcome of a race?" (Boyer was still in contention for the championship when Gordon took him out.)

And to think everytime they run Talladega and Daytona the announcers talk about "team plans" to work together, or with drivers who are in the same make of car...and that isn't "altering the outcome"?

Helton got one thing right...they can't prove Boyer spun deliberately. He said he thought he was losing a tire, and he did. Unless you hit something and turn the sheet metal in, not very damned often do you manage to shred a tire by flat-spotting it on a short track. Yet Boyer shredded his.

I think NASCAR is running a distraction for the fact they completely blew the last restart on Friday and Saturday night's races. Edwards jumped the start and didn't get penalized for it. If they'd penalized him Newman might have had a chance to win it still...despite his crap pit crew, now residing under the bus. If they yellow flagged it again and sent him to back of the line, how would the results have changed point wise?

They need to get back to racing, not "lucky dogs" and "chases" to try to liven up dull races.

A lot of folks are talking about how other sports have "cleaned up"...bah! How may times can someone fake an injury in football to get an official's time out, sit out a play and return?

If they are going to do a "chase" make it to where the "wild cards" can't be manipulated...top 10 in points, plus anyone in top 20 who wins a race, period. NASCAR is more guilty of "actions detrimental to the sport" than any of the teams and drivers.
 
2013-09-09 10:10:18 PM  
How the meeting played out in my mind...

Brian France as Walter:
"Over the line!"
"This is a league race, this determines who enters the next phase of the chase"
"This isn't Nam, this is racing and there are rules!"
"Mark his points zero!"

If he pulled a gun on waltrip I think he could run for president ...
 
2013-09-09 10:13:41 PM  

uncleacid: After all the fake debris cautions during the season and Boyer's spin, I just have one thing to say. I'm ready for some football.


Thanks NASCAR, football can wait.
 
2013-09-09 10:17:53 PM  
And the real one that gets me...in what other sport do you have a "playoff" where all the other teams also get to run interference? You want a real tight playoff? Send all the other teams home for the winter and race only the chase teams...now you can only lose a race by 13-14 points or so, and the standings will remain tight throughout the playoff. (Please Gawd, don't let Helton see this post, it might give him bad ideas.)
 
2013-09-09 10:29:55 PM  
Can't believe a new thread didnt go green yet

Are the mods not entertained?
 
2013-09-09 11:11:02 PM  

HamstersFromHell: Absolute horseshiat! I wonder if they forgot (how conveniently) that every "start and park" car entered also "manipulates the finishing order" by taking up the lower points spots so that someone who wrecks early won't lose as many points as they could have if all the cars actually tried to finish the race.

Not to mention JJ (running 40th many laps down) hit the wall to bring out a yellow so Jeffy wouldn't get lapped. Gordon intentionally took out Boyer last year during the chase and didn't get penalized, doesn't that "alter the outcome of a race?" (Boyer was still in contention for the championship when Gordon took him out.)

And to think everytime they run Talladega and Daytona the announcers talk about "team plans" to work together, or with drivers who are in the same make of car...and that isn't "altering the outcome"?

Helton got one thing right...they can't prove Boyer spun deliberately. He said he thought he was losing a tire, and he did. Unless you hit something and turn the sheet metal in, not very damned often do you manage to shred a tire by flat-spotting it on a short track. Yet Boyer shredded his.

I think NASCAR is running a distraction for the fact they completely blew the last restart on Friday and Saturday night's races. Edwards jumped the start and didn't get penalized for it. If they'd penalized him Newman might have had a chance to win it still...despite his crap pit crew, now residing under the bus. If they yellow flagged it again and sent him to back of the line, how would the results have changed point wise?

They need to get back to racing, not "lucky dogs" and "chases" to try to liven up dull races.

A lot of folks are talking about how other sports have "cleaned up"...bah! How may times can someone fake an injury in football to get an official's time out, sit out a play and return?

If they are going to do a "chase" make it to where the "wild cards" can't be manipulated...top 10 in points, plus anyone in top 20 who wins a race, period. NASCAR is more guilty of "actions detrimental to the sport" than any of the teams and drivers.


Bowyer did shred a tire...after the fact. And it was his right front. Tell me, when was the last time losing a right front lead to a tail-happy condition and spin?

I don't think they wanted to waste any more time building up such a case that would have broken the blatant "code" Brian Pattie used (even though they should have), especially when they had Ty Norris and the 55 dead to rights with their equally or more blatant BS.
 
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