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2013-09-09 03:13:11 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: "Itch" comment midway through article


I see. What we should've done is read this article, plus all the linked articles, just to validate subby.

Also, re: the subject. That's what you get for putting a dumbass "playoff" in place, NASCAR. You f*cking asked for it.
 
2013-09-09 03:13:56 PM  

MFAWG: Because nobody in the history of NASCAR has ever thrown debris on the track to bring out a yellow.


I'm convinced Chad Knaus has fitted a trap door on Jimmy Johnson's car full of debris so can get himself a caution when he deems it necessary.
 
2013-09-09 03:21:49 PM  

soopey: MFAWG: Because nobody in the history of NASCAR has ever thrown debris on the track to bring out a yellow.

I'm convinced Chad Knaus has fitted a trap door on Jimmy Johnson's car full of debris so can get himself a caution when he deems it necessary.


Chad is way more stylish than that.
 
2013-09-09 03:27:22 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: Team orders? That's a shame.

Bowyer's tire shredded on the way to the pits, which suggests it may have been going down when he spun. Unless there's concrete proof that it was a deliberate, concerted effort to screw around the standings, what can NASCAR do about it?
Plus, who the hell does something stupid like that over a live, public radio channel? "Hey, we know people are going to hear this and wonder what the hell we're talking about and then pair it with the spin and the timing and everything and give us hell, but we're gonna do it anyhow!" Makes no sense at all.

I see concrete proof that there was a conspiracy, I'll be disappointed as a MWR fan. But proof please.


I believe he blamed Jr for spinning him out..

Jr's comments on what he saw.

"He just spun right out," Earnhardt said afterward. "That's the craziest thing I ever saw. ... He was hemming around on the brakes and jerking the car around, and then the thing just spun out. It was crazy. I don't know what was going on."
 
2013-09-09 03:29:49 PM  

mjones73: Five Tails of Fury: Team orders? That's a shame.

Bowyer's tire shredded on the way to the pits, which suggests it may have been going down when he spun. Unless there's concrete proof that it was a deliberate, concerted effort to screw around the standings, what can NASCAR do about it?
Plus, who the hell does something stupid like that over a live, public radio channel? "Hey, we know people are going to hear this and wonder what the hell we're talking about and then pair it with the spin and the timing and everything and give us hell, but we're gonna do it anyhow!" Makes no sense at all.

I see concrete proof that there was a conspiracy, I'll be disappointed as a MWR fan. But proof please.

I believe he blamed Jr for spinning him out..

Jr's comments on what he saw.

"He just spun right out," Earnhardt said afterward. "That's the craziest thing I ever saw. ... He was hemming around on the brakes and jerking the car around, and then the thing just spun out. It was crazy. I don't know what was going on."


Joonyer also suggested taking a look at the telemetry of the car, which I thought was interesting.
 
2013-09-09 03:35:05 PM  
So NASCAR has finally graduated to the level of Formula 1.  Got it.
 
2013-09-09 03:35:07 PM  
Even if you go full idiot and try to explain away Bowyer's spin, there's no other possibilities for the subsequent actions of both Bowyer (repeated pit stops "just to make sure") and Vickers (pits under green for no reason at all under the clear orders of his bosses, then proceeds to go half-speed for several laps) than they were tanking the race. It's impossible to come to any other conclusion, this isn't a debate.

Appropriate penalties are the only thing to discuss.
 
2013-09-09 03:36:08 PM  
I kind of wonder what Mark Martin would have to say about all of this were he still in the 55 car.
 
2013-09-09 03:36:16 PM  

MFAWG: Joonyer also suggested taking a look at the telemetry of the car, which I thought was interesting.


It was probably from when he spun himself out at Bristol. He said, "No i didn't." Nascar said, "Yes you did." That might be how they got him.
 
2013-09-09 03:42:54 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: I kind of wonder what Mark Martin would have to say about all of this were he still in the 55 car.


They shoul remake the commercial with MM and MW to add cheating to what they do not have in common.

I am with the people suggesting removing MWR cars from the chase and adding Jeff and Newman.

Also, stop with the BS cautions, NASCAR. There was no need to yellow Bowyer's spin in the first place.
 
2013-09-09 03:49:20 PM  

wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?


I fail to see the outrage.  NASCAR, like Formula 1, is a TEAM SPORT.  It is inherent in racing teams that if a driver in your team has the best shot at the championship, the other driver(s) support him  and maximize his points haul.  If that means moving over for him at the last corner (Barrichello for Schumacher Austria 2002), or being told "Alonso is faster than you.  Can you acknowledge" (Massa being told by his race engineer to basically move his ass over for Fernando Alonso) or being told to maintian position (LeMans.  you pick the year and teams have been ordered to hold station until the end to ensure all cars finished, even when one car was clearly faster than their teammates').

I'm surprised NASCAR fans are outraged.  They do realize that the term "got the call" had its genesis in NASCAR, and was famously brought to public attention when Dale Earnhardt won that highly improbably Daytona 500, when it certainly looked like he was nowhere near the fastest guy on track.  Earnhardt even admitted as such to a reporter from Racer Magazine back in the day.
 
2013-09-09 03:59:53 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-09 04:00:38 PM  
I didn't know NASCAR had any ethics to undermine.
 
2013-09-09 04:08:31 PM  
This being NASCAR, I expect them to add Newman and Gordon to the chase, and somehow include Danica Patrick because why the hell not.
 
2013-09-09 04:12:55 PM  

Mi-5: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

I fail to see the outrage.  NASCAR, like Formula 1, is a TEAM SPORT.  It is inherent in racing teams that if a driver in your team has the best shot at the championship, the other driver(s) support him  and maximize his points haul.  If that means moving over for him at the last corner (Barrichello for Schumacher Austria 2002), or being told "Alonso is faster than you.  Can you acknowledge" (Massa being told by his race engineer to basically move his ass over for Fernando Alonso) or being told to maintian position (LeMans.  you pick the year and teams have been ordered to hold station until the end to ensure all cars finished, even when one car was clearly faster than their teammates').

I'm surprised NASCAR fans are outraged.  They do realize that the term "got the call" had its genesis in NASCAR, and was famously brought to public attention when Dale Earnhardt won that highly improbably Daytona 500, when it certainly looked like he was nowhere near the fastest guy on track.  Earnhardt even admitted as such to a reporter from Racer Magazine back in the day.


*points to 2008 Renault scandal*

If you were outraged by that, you should be outraged at this.
 
2013-09-09 04:36:07 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-09 04:47:35 PM  

Guelph35: This being NASCAR, I expect them to add Newman and Gordon to the chase, and somehow include Danica Patrick because why the hell not.


The ratings will make it all worthwhile. She might get involved in a wreck and if we could have her firesuit pre-ripped in several strategic places, the post-crash interview will be solid gold. Let's run it by her agent and see how much she'd want for that.
 
2013-09-09 05:09:01 PM  
If NASCAR does nothing, Newman needs to man up and put Bowyer into the wall.  Actually, he should do that anyways regardless of what NASCAR does.

And it showed the right-front tire was shredded.  Normally a right-front going down puts you up into the wall, not just spinning around near the bottom
 
2013-09-09 05:18:54 PM  
Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday
 
2013-09-09 05:24:20 PM  
After all the fake debris cautions during the season and Boyer's spin, I just have one thing to say. I'm ready for some football.
 
2013-09-09 05:27:00 PM  

smerfnablin: Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday


Since I was not in a position to watch the race - do you have a link to Waltrip's "classless comments"?
 
2013-09-09 05:41:06 PM  

smerfnablin: Fine Bowyer 100 points for being a douchebag and costing Newman the lead

Fine Vickers 50 points for that pit stop just to let Logano pass him to knock the 24 out of 10th spot

Suspend both of their crew chiefs 6 races

And finally ban Michael Waltrip from ever driving in a Sprint Cup event ever again for his classless comments Saturday AND Sunday


That doesn't remedy the misconduct.  MWR still will profit from their wrongful actions and all it does is promote teams to further collusion in attempts to win.  Your 4th team driver out of contention for the race/championship taps the leader while being lapped, fakes a tire going down and turns right taking out the leader, or have them pull out slowly on pit road to block or cause damage.  If you are allowed to cause a caution and monkey with the finishing order, why not directly damage competition?  It puts NASCAR one step closer to WWE when it seems at times it is already uncomfortably close. The only way to prevent this is to issue incredibly harsh penalties to show the gravity of the situation and restore some credibility.   Of course I still believe misconduct of this nature can occur, it will just be masked better by discussions prerace and implemented in coded phrases or hand signals which hopefully won't be recorded.

There needs to be scalps claimed by NASCAR.  Outright banning crew chiefs for a year. Massive fines for the organization. Although it appears Truex did nothing wrong, he profited from the misconduct of his organization so he shouldn't be rewarded with a Chase spot.  The tougher question is Bowyer who was securely in the Chase but seemingly overtly undermined the integrity of NASCAR. I wouldn't be opposed to disqualifying him, but at the very least 100 point penalty at the start of the chase to make it very unlikely he would win the championship. The credibility of the sport is on the line, so steps need to be taken immediately before it is too late.
 
2013-09-09 05:49:53 PM  
What pisses me off most is that you have a driver racing his guts out because he HAS to win to make the cut and some assclown drives like a dick on purpose to lose spots to someone else.

This sucks.
 
2013-09-09 05:55:52 PM  

Mi-5: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

I fail to see the outrage.  NASCAR, like Formula 1, is a TEAM SPORT.  It is inherent in racing teams that if a driver in your team has the best shot at the championship, the other driver(s) support him  and maximize his points haul.  If that means moving over for him at the last corner (Barrichello for Schumacher Austria 2002), or being told "Alonso is faster than you.  Can you acknowledge" (Massa being told by his race engineer to basically move his ass over for Fernando Alonso) or being told to maintian position (LeMans.  you pick the year and teams have been ordered to hold station until the end to ensure all cars finished, even when one car was clearly faster than their teammates').

I'm surprised NASCAR fans are outraged.  They do realize that the term "got the call" had its genesis in NASCAR, and was famously brought to public attention when Dale Earnhardt won that highly improbably Daytona 500, when it certainly looked like he was nowhere near the fastest guy on track.  Earnhardt even admitted as such to a reporter from Racer Magazine back in the day.


Cup fans don't like this shiat, and "everyone else does it"  won't change that.
 
2013-09-09 06:20:12 PM  
Bah, I don't really expect NASCAR to do anything effective, because, let's face it, when have they ever? What I really wish, in that evil little place I call a heart, is for the sponsors to call in the image clauses you just know they have in all their contracts and pull their names from the MWR cars as loudly and publicly as possible. It would be a lot better positive press for them than anything they would gain from being on the hood of a Chase driver, at this point, and I would just love to see a championship contender forced to wear the blank hood of shame.
 
2013-09-09 06:39:17 PM  
I don't expect NASCAR to fine Bowyer or Vickers, it was a team call. Anyone would do it as they do not want to lose their ride.  I would, however, fine MWR at least half of the bonus money they get from Truex finishing above 13th spot. I would possibly fine a percentage of Bowyer's as well.

Another possibility would be to fine and suspend Ty Norris for the remainder of the season and a $500,000 fine for MWR.
 
2013-09-09 06:40:10 PM  

Mi-5: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

I fail to see the outrage.  NASCAR, like Formula 1, is a TEAM SPORT.  It is inherent in racing teams that if a driver in your team has the best shot at the championship, the other driver(s) support him  and maximize his points haul.  If that means moving over for him at the last corner (Barrichello for Schumacher Austria 2002), or being told "Alonso is faster than you.  Can you acknowledge" (Massa being told by his race engineer to basically move his ass over for Fernando Alonso) or being told to maintian position (LeMans.  you pick the year and teams have been ordered to hold station until the end to ensure all cars finished, even when one car was clearly faster than their teammates').

I'm surprised NASCAR fans are outraged.  They do realize that the term "got the call" had its genesis in NASCAR, and was famously brought to public attention when Dale Earnhardt won that highly improbably Daytona 500, when it certainly looked like he was nowhere near the fastest guy on track.  Earnhardt even admitted as such to a reporter from Racer Magazine back in the day.


You're saying the *entire field* moved aside as some kind of conspiracy to let Dale win?

Also, Daytona is plate racing, where a lot more than speed matters.
 
2013-09-09 06:42:51 PM  

LongWindedMute: Bah, I don't really expect NASCAR to do anything effective, because, let's face it, when have they ever?


When have they ever?  They place people on "probation" all the time.

/WTF does "probation" even mean in NASCAR?
 
2013-09-09 06:50:45 PM  

downstairs: LongWindedMute: Bah, I don't really expect NASCAR to do anything effective, because, let's face it, when have they ever?

When have they ever?  They place people on "probation" all the time.

/WTF does "probation" even mean in NASCAR?


Probation = Don't do anything else or we'll really fark you up.

I seem to remember Chad Knaus being suspended for several races a few years ago. Also Mark Martin being penalized in points at the very end of the 2002 (?) season because they found a spring that was something like 1/3 of a coil too long, even though he was a championship contender. Also, MWR's jet-fuel incident. And let us not forget "every time a driver swears in a post-race interview or slugs someone."

TL;DR- All the farking time.
 
2013-09-09 06:54:08 PM  

downstairs: LongWindedMute: Bah, I don't really expect NASCAR to do anything effective, because, let's face it, when have they ever?

When have they ever?  They place people on "probation" all the time.

/WTF does "probation" even mean in NASCAR?


They came down pretty damned hard on KyBu a few years back when he speared Hornaday (I think it was Hornaday). Chad Knaus has had his balls slapped pretty hard a couple times over the years. KuBu as well, but he's feeling much better now, really he is.
 
2013-09-09 07:02:15 PM  

bestsportnascar: I don't expect NASCAR to fine Bowyer or Vickers, it was a team call. Anyone would do it as they do not want to lose their ride.  I would, however, fine MWR at least half of the bonus money they get from Truex finishing above 13th spot. I would possibly fine a percentage of Bowyer's as well.

Another possibility would be to fine and suspend Ty Norris for the remainder of the season and a $500,000 fine for MWR.


The problem is, this is a multi-million dollar team. Even a half-million dollar fine is nothing to them.

Yanking them out of the Chase, however, is. That should be standard punishment for something like this. Fix a race, and you are automatically out of the top 12. Doesn't matter at what point you do it, or how many wins you have, or whether your attempt was successful or not. Do it, and the highest you can hope for is 13th. No head table for you.
 
2013-09-09 07:05:02 PM  
Here's what gets me:

If Jimmie Johnson and dale Earnhardt jr pulled this shiat to get Gordon in the chase people would be fire bombing Hendrick team headquarters until NASCAR suspended both teams indefinitely

Since its MWR? Eh we are just going to act like nothing happened just like when they caught waltrip with an oxygenizer in his air intake 6 years ago...
 
2013-09-09 07:11:25 PM  
I started Bowyer on my fantasy team so I hope NASCAR throws the book at MWR.

/fantasy is serious business
 
2013-09-09 07:14:33 PM  

smerfnablin: Here's what gets me:

If Jimmie Johnson and dale Earnhardt jr pulled this shiat to get Gordon in the chase people would be fire bombing Hendrick team headquarters until NASCAR suspended both teams indefinitely

Since its MWR? Eh we are just going to act like nothing happened just like when they caught waltrip with an oxygenizer in his air intake 6 years ago...


Is your post from opposite land?

Fans (and sometimes Nascar) let Jr. get away with quite a bit. Nascar is already doing an investigation into this incident. Waltrip was penalized for the jet fuel incident.
 
2013-09-09 07:15:50 PM  
Is there an actual rule in the books that Nascar can use here, or will they have to whip oit the old "Actions detrimental to stock car racing?"
 
2013-09-09 07:16:33 PM  

Clutch2013: bestsportnascar: I don't expect NASCAR to fine Bowyer or Vickers, it was a team call. Anyone would do it as they do not want to lose their ride.  I would, however, fine MWR at least half of the bonus money they get from Truex finishing above 13th spot. I would possibly fine a percentage of Bowyer's as well.

Another possibility would be to fine and suspend Ty Norris for the remainder of the season and a $500,000 fine for MWR.

The problem is, this is a multi-million dollar team. Even a half-million dollar fine is nothing to them.

Yanking them out of the Chase, however, is. That should be standard punishment for something like this. Fix a race, and you are automatically out of the top 12. Doesn't matter at what point you do it, or how many wins you have, or whether your attempt was successful or not. Do it, and the highest you can hope for is 13th. No head table for you.



I agree with you, but it is not something NASCAR will do.  They will most likely suspend Ty Norris for 3 races and a $200,000 fine to MWR.  No fines for individual drivers.  I'm not completely sure they will do anything though. I am a Gordon fan, and I hate it effected his chances, but I do not think Logano should come out and add Jeff in.  Joey took advantage of the circumstances, I would not penalize him for that. I also can't penalize Bowyer unless it can be proved it was his idea.  It is something they talked about before the race obviously, but I still think it has to be viewed as a organizational call.  My view is if Truex or Bowyer win the cup, they should get to keep it, but all the money they gain over 13th should be taken as a fine.  Half of Truex's is a compromise that is a little more reasonable, but still harsh enough to make other teams think about it.
 
2013-09-09 07:17:47 PM  
Twitter says Nascar will hold a press conference at 8:15 tonight. I think we know what it's on.
 
2013-09-09 07:25:26 PM  

Fireproof: Twitter says Nascar will hold a press conference at 8:15 tonight. I think we know what it's on.


Any idea which channels are airing it?
 
2013-09-09 07:29:05 PM  

bestsportnascar: Fireproof: Twitter says Nascar will hold a press conference at 8:15 tonight. I think we know what it's on.

Any idea which channels are airing it?


No idea of specifics, but I'm sure it'll be on SPEE-aww...
 
2013-09-09 07:33:59 PM  

Fireproof: smerfnablin: Here's what gets me:

If Jimmie Johnson and dale Earnhardt jr pulled this shiat to get Gordon in the chase people would be fire bombing Hendrick team headquarters until NASCAR suspended both teams indefinitely

Since its MWR? Eh we are just going to act like nothing happened just like when they caught waltrip with an oxygenizer in his air intake 6 years ago...

Is your post from opposite land?

Fans (and sometimes Nascar) let Jr. get away with quite a bit. Nascar is already doing an investigation into this incident. Waltrip was penalized for the jet fuel incident.


They caught Mikey with the unknown substance in his air intake during inspection

Any other team would be facing fines and loss of points just like Jr got for using the wrong color bolts on his rear spoiler the year before...

What did NASCAR do to waltrip? They told him to change the intake

What did the team do? Installed another one with even more of the unknown substance on it

That's when he got penalized
 
2013-09-09 07:37:25 PM  
nascarcasm @nascarcasm

Ready for some Monday Night Press Conference! ALL my rowdy friend are coming over to the R&D center!
 
2013-09-09 07:38:36 PM  

smerfnablin: Fireproof: smerfnablin: Here's what gets me:

If Jimmie Johnson and dale Earnhardt jr pulled this shiat to get Gordon in the chase people would be fire bombing Hendrick team headquarters until NASCAR suspended both teams indefinitely

Since its MWR? Eh we are just going to act like nothing happened just like when they caught waltrip with an oxygenizer in his air intake 6 years ago...

Is your post from opposite land?

Fans (and sometimes Nascar) let Jr. get away with quite a bit. Nascar is already doing an investigation into this incident. Waltrip was penalized for the jet fuel incident.

They caught Mikey with the unknown substance in his air intake during inspection

Any other team would be facing fines and loss of points just like Jr got for using the wrong color bolts on his rear spoiler the year before...

What did NASCAR do to waltrip? They told him to change the intake

What did the team do? Installed another one with even more of the unknown substance on it

That's when he got penalized


Wow, did not know that particular detail.

Almost makes Waltrip's reaction of "I dunno what idiot put that there, but it wasn't me" almost believable.
 
2013-09-09 07:41:36 PM  

Fireproof: Twitter says Nascar will hold a press conference at 8:15 tonight. I think we know what it's on.


There is nothing on the NASCAR twitter feed...

You got a link gmoney?
 
2013-09-09 07:42:52 PM  

DanZero: nascarcasm @nascarcasm

Ready for some Monday Night Press Conference! ALL my rowdy friend are coming over to the R&D center!


Ah thank you

Was on the wrong twitter
 
2013-09-09 07:47:06 PM  
@JennaFryer 3m
BREAKING: Newman in, Truex out among MWR penalties. 300k MWR fine. All 3 drivers docked 50 points. Ty Norris suspended indefinitely.


/please be true
//please please
 
2013-09-09 07:49:11 PM  

smerfnablin: Fireproof: Twitter says Nascar will hold a press conference at 8:15 tonight. I think we know what it's on.

There is nothing on the NASCAR twitter feed...

You got a link gmoney?


https://twitter.com/jim_utter

Mike Helton and Robin Pemberton will meet with the media tonight at 8:15 at the NASCAR R&D Center to discuss Saturday's race
 
2013-09-09 07:50:10 PM  

good_2_go: @JennaFryer 3m
BREAKING: Newman in, Truex out among MWR penalties. 300k MWR fine. All 3 drivers docked 50 points. Ty Norris suspended indefinitely.


/please be true
//please please


There is a God

Thank you NASCAR.

You have restored my faith in your sport

Only thing that could make this any better is by saying "we aren't formula 1"
 
2013-09-09 07:52:04 PM  

good_2_go: @JennaFryer 3m
BREAKING: Newman in, Truex out among MWR penalties. 300k MWR fine. All 3 drivers docked 50 points. Ty Norris suspended indefinitely.


/please be true
//please please


This
(is huge)
 
2013-09-09 07:53:01 PM  
WOW

CONCORD, N.C. (AP) - Ryan Newman is replacing Martin Truex Jr. in the Chase for the Sprint Cup championship as part of NASCAR'S penalties against Michael Waltrip Racing for manipulating the outcome of last weekend's race at Richmond.

Two independent people familiar with the situation described the penalties to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because NASCAR had yet to announce its decision. The governing body had scheduled a news conference for Monday night.

Michael Waltrip Racing has been fined $300,000, and general manager Ty Norris is suspended indefinitely. Truex, Clint Bowyer and Brian Vickers have been docked 50 points apiece.

The action by NASCAR is a result of Bowyer intentionally spinning with seven laps remaining to bring out a caution with Newman leading Saturday night. Newman was racing Truex for the final spot in the 12-driver Chase field.
 
2013-09-09 07:56:42 PM  
I hope espn interrupts Monday night football for this breaking news
 
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