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2013-09-09 09:10:36 AM
Worst code phrase ever.

I hope Nascar slams the hammer on MWR racing.
 
2013-09-09 09:23:39 AM
NASCAR should really make an example of these guys. If they tolerate this kind of blatant manipulation of the outcome of a race, they are going to lose the fans that have stuck around this long.
 
2013-09-09 10:36:42 AM
Holy cow.

I saw the Boyer spin and thought "WTF is wrong with that guy? He's had a good car".

I don't know. If there is any truth to this there should be a BIG points deduction and a realignment of just who is and who is not in the chase.
 
2013-09-09 11:54:06 AM
There were other antics at play too. Brian Vickers slowed down to 77 MPH AND came into pit during green flag so that Joey Logano would get ahead of him, thereby putting Joey in 10th and allowing the second wild card spot to open up for Truex.
 
2013-09-09 12:49:37 PM
Then there was the Brian Vickers exchange:
"We're probably going to pit here on green," Norris says.
"Are you talking to me?" a surprised Vickers asks.
Vickers continued to question the call, at one point asking, "I don't understand, pit right now?"
"You've got to pit this time. We need that 1 point," Norris replies.
"10-4. Do I got a tire going down?" Vickers asked.
Vickers then pitted as the field went green. When he asked afterward if his crew found anything with the tire, Norris replied, "I'll see you after the race, Brian, I owe you a kiss."
 
2013-09-09 01:15:56 PM
If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?
 
2013-09-09 01:19:13 PM

wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?


Up until now, "teammanship" meant letting your teammate lead a lap for a bonus point. That, and maybe a drafting partner. But we have not seen this magnitude of cohesion.
 
2013-09-09 01:20:01 PM

wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?


Yeah, I'm not sure I understand why this is a big deal. Isn't the point of teams that you CAN manipulate the outcome?

/Shake n Bake
 
2013-09-09 01:26:49 PM
Teammates helping each other out! What a travesty!
 
2013-09-09 01:28:08 PM
If only there was a way to race stock cars without schenanigans.  Some sort simple race.  Go fast, turn left, unmodified stock cars.
 
2013-09-09 01:28:20 PM
Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.
 
2013-09-09 01:28:53 PM
Team orders done right.

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Team orders done wrong
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2013-09-09 01:35:06 PM

IAmRight: Teammates helping each other out! What a travesty!


This kind of blatant horseshiat isn't tolerated in Cup like it is in F1, and this is the first time it has been used like this.

Frankly, I'm surprised ti took this long, but if NASCAR doesn't come down HARD on MWR as a whole, this is going to be standard operating procedure at Richmond every year, and the fans will (rightly) throw a huge fit about it. We simply don't want this shiat in Cup, plain and simple.
 
2013-09-09 01:38:07 PM
fark you Michael Waltrip, you cheater scumbag
 
2013-09-09 01:39:04 PM

Random Name Generator: fark you Michael Waltrip, you cheater scumbag


(to be fair everyone cheats in NASCAR, but especially MW, like in rocketfuelgate)
 
2013-09-09 01:40:04 PM
It's still real to me goddamnit!
 
2013-09-09 01:51:00 PM
It was never real to me.
 
2013-09-09 01:51:27 PM
I've watched NASCAR for a long time and didn't think anything about it when Bowyer spun out.  It wasn't until you factor in the radio communication that it became clear that they were manipulating the race using their entire stable of drivers.  It's a joke and they should be pummeled with a substantial fine and loss of driver and owner points to set a clear example.  I've always liked Michael Waltrip, but this team is always at the front of any scandal.
 
2013-09-09 02:00:44 PM
Throw Bowyer and Truex out of the chase, add Gordon and Newman to the Chase.

Problem solved.
 
WGJ
2013-09-09 02:00:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: It's still real to me goddamnit!


Yep, we're getting closer to WWE on wheels. Next up will be a driver slapping a race official to really add to the "drama".
 
2013-09-09 02:02:09 PM
This is just a blatant attempt to make NASCAR interesting. Won't work on me, though
 
2013-09-09 02:03:38 PM

PowerSlacker: Throw Bowyer and Truex out of the chase, add Gordon and Newman to the Chase.

Problem solved.


I say just throw Boyer out of the Chase and move everyone up one. Now whether it's Newman or Gordon, I don't know. But don't penalize Truex, as he was simply the beneficiary. He and his crew chief didn't do anything wrong.
 
2013-09-09 02:08:58 PM

soopey: Team orders done right.



Team orders done wrong


It wasn't even really done right there. The resulting investigation essentially blacklisted Nelson Piquet, Jr and cost two of Renault's top officials their jobs.

On topic, I haven't rooted for NASCAR this hard in quite some time. My dream punishment? MWR loses both their Chase positions, gets automatically sent to the bottom of the owner's points, gets a minimum-seven-figure fine, and ends up on hard probation for three years.
 
2013-09-09 02:10:07 PM

Bonkthat_Again: PowerSlacker: Throw Bowyer and Truex out of the chase, add Gordon and Newman to the Chase.

Problem solved.

I say just throw Boyer out of the Chase and move everyone up one. Now whether it's Newman or Gordon, I don't know. But don't penalize Truex, as he was simply the beneficiary. He and his crew chief didn't do anything wrong.


I'd be fine with that too.

NASCAR will probably just dock Bowyer five points and call it a day.
 
2013-09-09 02:12:07 PM

IAmRight: Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.


I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.

Definition of ITCHintransitive verb1a  : to have an itch  <her arm  itched>b  : to produce an  <long underwear thatitches>2: to have a restless desire or hankering for something  <wereitching to go outside>transitive verb1: to cause to itch2:vex, irritate
 
2013-09-09 02:13:00 PM
It used to be that shiat like this would be solved by a nice fistfight between the drivers. Alas, that won't be happening here.

If i was the driver that got screwed, i'd find one of those "start and park" drivers and offer him something to wreck the conspirators for me at the start of the next race. After all, they werent going to race their cars anyway; might as well get some use out of them.
 
2013-09-09 02:13:49 PM

PowerSlacker: NASCAR will probably just dock Bowyer five points and call it a day.


Sponsors are PISSED, too, though. The financial payout structure for big teams like the 24 swing well into the millions for Chase berths. Anything less than effectively knocking Bowyer out of the championship rce (50 points, one-race ban, whatever) will piss off an incredibly high number of both fans and sponsors.
 
2013-09-09 02:14:41 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: IAmRight: Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.

I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.

Definition of ITCHintransitive verb1a  : to have an itch  <her arm  itched>b  : to produce an  <long underwear thatitches>2: to have a restless desire or hankering for something  <wereitching to go outside>transitive verb1: to cause to itch2:vex, irritate


Read the article (and others). The headline is damn near verbatim.
 
2013-09-09 02:17:35 PM

Clutch2013: Satan's Bunny Slippers: IAmRight: Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.

I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.

Definition of ITCHintransitive verb1a  : to have an itch  <her arm  itched>b  : to produce an  <long underwear thatitches>2: to have a restless desire or hankering for something  <wereitching to go outside>transitive verb1: to cause to itch2:vex, irritate

Read the article (and others). The headline is damn near verbatim.


Not this article, which is the one linked from this thread:

Analysis: NASCAR facing ethical quandary after Richmond
 
2013-09-09 02:17:36 PM
...it could undermine the integrity of NASCAR...

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
 
2013-09-09 02:22:51 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Clutch2013: Satan's Bunny Slippers: IAmRight: Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.

I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.

Definition of ITCHintransitive verb1a  : to have an itch  <her arm  itched>b  : to produce an  <long underwear thatitches>2: to have a restless desire or hankering for something  <wereitching to go outside>transitive verb1: to cause to itch2:vex, irritate

Read the article (and others). The headline is damn near verbatim.

Not this article, which is the one linked from this thread:

Analysis: NASCAR facing ethical quandary after Richmond


OK, not this article.

But in every article that quotes him, and the in-car audio, those are Brian Pattie's exact words.
 
2013-09-09 02:23:07 PM

Dick Gozinya: It used to be that shiat like this would be solved by a nice fistfight between the drivers. Alas, that won't be happening here.

If i was the driver that got screwed, i'd find one of those "start and park" drivers and offer him something to wreck the conspirators for me at the start of the next race. After all, they werent going to race their cars anyway; might as well get some use out of them.


I am pretty unfamiliar with NASCAR, but isn't the point of "start and park" to save money? You would basically have to offer them a car. What is the bare minimum for a car that is qualified to race?
 
2013-09-09 02:25:43 PM

Random Name Generator: Random Name Generator: fark you Michael Waltrip, you cheater scumbag

(to be fair everyone cheats in NASCAR, but especially MW, like in rocketfuelgate)


Speaking of Rocketfuelgate, did we ever find out what the mystery substance was?
 
2013-09-09 02:26:27 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.


Southern colloquialism. It's more common than you'd guess.
 
2013-09-09 02:27:46 PM

Gonz: Southern colloquialism. It's more common than you'd guess.


I can't stand it when southerners say "hisself".
 
2013-09-09 02:28:13 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: IAmRight: Also, it's "scratch it" you f*cking f*ck.

Something itches. So you scratch it. You don't itch an itch, you stupid buffoon.

I came only to say this.  I couldn't care less about the article, or NASCAR, but submitter, you are a farking idiot.

Definition of ITCHintransitive verb1a  : to have an itch  <her arm  itched>b  : to produce an  <long underwear thatitches>2: to have a restless desire or hankering for something  <wereitching to go outside>transitive verb1: to cause to itch2:vex, irritate


RTFA. Subby was quoting what the crew chief said on the radio.
 
2013-09-09 02:29:28 PM
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2013-09-09 02:32:30 PM

Bonkthat_Again: Gonz: Southern colloquialism. It's more common than you'd guess.

I can't stand it when southerners say "hisself".


I grew up in Kentucky. There are many, many Southern (and Appalachian) abuses of grammar that cause me to twitch audibly. I actually credit the steretypical Kentuckian for my lack of an accent- I didn't want to sound like those hilljacks, so I tried to talk like like Tom Brokaw.

//Get a few drinks in me, and the occasional phrase might sneak out.
 
2013-09-09 02:33:06 PM
NASCAR Wonka @NASCAR_Wonka

Newman says he found some old pics of Bowyer at RCR, and he and Childress have spent the morning using them as a dart board.
 
2013-09-09 02:46:33 PM

wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?


Exactly. There's nothing to be done about it, really. I guess people would be happier if Bowyer stuffed some guy from DNM Racing instead?

/DNM. Does Not Matter.
 
2013-09-09 02:52:26 PM

MFAWG: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

Exactly. There's nothing to be done about it, really. I guess people would be happier if Bowyer stuffed some guy from DNM Racing instead?

/DNM. Does Not Matter.


If some guy from DNM Racing was a hair's width from making the Final 10, yeah, we'd be having this same conversation.

It's not who it was done to; it's that it was done in the first place. It shouldn't have been.
 
2013-09-09 02:56:24 PM

desertgeek: RTFA. Subby was quoting what the crew chief said on the radio.


Article was TL; DR.
 
2013-09-09 02:56:56 PM
Team orders? That's a shame.

Bowyer's tire shredded on the way to the pits, which suggests it may have been going down when he spun. Unless there's concrete proof that it was a deliberate, concerted effort to screw around the standings, what can NASCAR do about it?
Plus, who the hell does something stupid like that over a live, public radio channel? "Hey, we know people are going to hear this and wonder what the hell we're talking about and then pair it with the spin and the timing and everything and give us hell, but we're gonna do it anyhow!" Makes no sense at all.

I see concrete proof that there was a conspiracy, I'll be disappointed as a MWR fan. But proof please.
 
2013-09-09 02:57:14 PM
The announcers had just said something to the effect that all Gordon had to do was drive out the race.  He didn't even need to pass anyone, and since there was only one car on the same lap as Logano, he wouldn't be passing anyone.

The pit crew must moniter the TV broadcast.
 
2013-09-09 02:57:47 PM
And Ctrl+F doesn't come up with any mentions of "itch."

Now we have to read the article, look for all other articles, and read videos? F*ck you, Fark, that's like homework.
 
2013-09-09 02:59:29 PM

Five Tails of Fury: Team orders? That's a shame.

Bowyer's tire shredded on the way to the pits, which suggests it may have been going down when he spun. Unless there's concrete proof that it was a deliberate, concerted effort to screw around the standings, what can NASCAR do about it?
Plus, who the hell does something stupid like that over a live, public radio channel? "Hey, we know people are going to hear this and wonder what the hell we're talking about and then pair it with the spin and the timing and everything and give us hell, but we're gonna do it anyhow!" Makes no sense at all.

I see concrete proof that there was a conspiracy, I'll be disappointed as a MWR fan. But proof please.


Brian Pattie, apparently, is that man.
 
2013-09-09 03:01:39 PM

MFAWG: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

Exactly. There's nothing to be done about it, really. I guess people would be happier if Bowyer stuffed some guy from DNM Racing instead?

/DNM. Does Not Matter.


Sure there is something to be done,  they need to punish MWR to reestablish that only NASCAR can affect the outcome of races by causing late cautions with phantom debris yellow flags...

Seriously though, while some teamwork is expected and encouraged, this blatant meddling in the outcome takes it beyond something we want.  I hate to use the old slippery slope argument, but if this behavior is allowed, what is to stop the wrecking of competition with cars not involved in the championship.  Allowing the conduct of Bowyer puts himself, other competitors, and safety crew at risk as once a car is spinning, who knows what could happen and who may get hurt in response to the act.

Financially and competitively it made all the sense in the world for MWR to engage in this behavior.  Unless actions are taken to show that teams cannot profit from this misconduct it will become the norm.  Regardless of what happens now, we will probably see something similar in the future, but be masked better than the blatant meddling in the outcome that MWR engaged in through open radio communications broadcasting what they want done. Disqualify MWR from the chase and move the next two cars into the field who qualify if their cars are removed.  That is the only way this can be discourage from occurring in the future.
 
2013-09-09 03:04:44 PM

Five Tails of Fury: Team orders? That's a shame.

Bowyer's tire shredded on the way to the pits, which suggests it may have been going down when he spun. Unless there's concrete proof that it was a deliberate, concerted effort to screw around the standings, what can NASCAR do about it?
Plus, who the hell does something stupid like that over a live, public radio channel? "Hey, we know people are going to hear this and wonder what the hell we're talking about and then pair it with the spin and the timing and everything and give us hell, but we're gonna do it anyhow!" Makes no sense at all.

I see concrete proof that there was a conspiracy, I'll be disappointed as a MWR fan. But proof please.


So you didn't watch the race, and haven't followed this issue at all since then, either. Good to know.
 
2013-09-09 03:11:00 PM
 
2013-09-09 03:11:04 PM

Daedalus27: MFAWG: wxboy: If you're going to have driver teams, why wouldn't you expect this sort of thing?

Exactly. There's nothing to be done about it, really. I guess people would be happier if Bowyer stuffed some guy from DNM Racing instead?

/DNM. Does Not Matter.

Sure there is something to be done,  they need to punish MWR to reestablish that only NASCAR can affect the outcome of races by causing late cautions with phantom debris yellow flags...

Seriously though, while some teamwork is expected and encouraged, this blatant meddling in the outcome takes it beyond something we want.  I hate to use the old slippery slope argument, but if this behavior is allowed, what is to stop the wrecking of competition with cars not involved in the championship.  Allowing the conduct of Bowyer puts himself, other competitors, and safety crew at risk as once a car is spinning, who knows what could happen and who may get hurt in response to the act.

Financially and competitively it made all the sense in the world for MWR to engage in this behavior.  Unless actions are taken to show that teams cannot profit from this misconduct it will become the norm.  Regardless of what happens now, we will probably see something similar in the future, but be masked better than the blatant meddling in the outcome that MWR engaged in through open radio communications broadcasting what they want done. Disqualify MWR from the chase and move the next two cars into the field who qualify if their cars are removed.  That is the only way this can be discourage from occurring in the future.


Because nobody in the history of NASCAR has ever thrown debris on the track to bring out a yellow.

And yeah, shiat like this is part of the game now, and really always has been.
 
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