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2013-09-09 10:21:17 AM
5 votes:
Great. For years, one of the major selling points of legalization was "think of all the tax revenue it will generate." And now there's protests about paying taxes on it. OF COURSE it was going to have a hefty tax, it's still illegal technically.

Can we please get the dang plant legalized first, then work on the other stuff later? Baby steps.
2013-09-09 11:13:21 AM
4 votes:
Almost everyone I knew who supported legalization used as one of their arguments "we could tax it, and all that money would go to the government".  So, now that it's legal, they're pissed that Colorado is going to tax their weed?  Jesus, be grateful you won, and accept that what you claimed was a positive of the legislation has come to pass.
2013-09-09 11:29:07 AM
2 votes:

alice_600: Tom_Slick: WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.

Which is why more people drink moonshine than legal whiskey, right? When pot is legal, the penalties for selling it untaxed will be harsh, as harsh as untaxed tobacco and liquor. Doing 2 years in federal prison for selling an untaxed legal product will not appeal to most people.  Like tobacco their probably will be a "grow for personal use" provision, but again the penalties for selling it will be too harsh for the average person growing their own weed.

And the ones who were against legalization this just laugh and laugh as you all eat yourselves alive.


I don't care if it is legal or not, I don't use it and have no desire to use it; however, since use has stayed pretty constant over the years, there is no reason to continue to waste resources trying to curb usage.  So legalize it, tax it like tobacco, and spend that tax money trying to get rid of Meth which is a drug that really needs to go.
2013-09-09 11:21:49 AM
2 votes:

alice_600: WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.

This is why I'm against legalization folks.


That's completely wrong, though. Much of the cost of Weed is not the product itself, it's the transportation and the profit down the chains of dealers, etc.

Absolutely NOTHING about weed costs $60/eighth ounce to produce. The rest is tied up in incidentals largely related to it being illegal.

I just want the right to grow a few plants myself.
2013-09-09 11:16:34 AM
2 votes:
Speaking as somebody who enjoys alcohol and tobacco, please allow me to fetch my tiny violin.
2013-09-09 11:16:10 AM
2 votes:
Oh shiat.....I could drive there.   I'm actually tempted to do it, but I'm not going to bother with it just for a farking joint.

I don't care if they tax it either.

"Marijuana was supposed to be taxed and regulated like alcohol, not tobacco,"

Go cry some more, biatches.  When they increased tobacco taxes you said nothing.  The cost of a carton went from $48 to $75 before the taxes even took effect and no, the increase in taxes wasn't enough to justify that price increase.


This is all about dealers and growers who are watching their cash cow slip away.    The free market is going to be an evil biatch for them and when I can walk into a store and buy an ounce of Colorado Kush for $90 they are going to be crying like babies because when it was illegal that would have cost me twice that.
2013-09-09 11:13:07 AM
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.


Just like with alcohol.
=Smidge=
2013-09-09 10:55:51 PM
1 votes:
I want to open a grow supply store here in CO in the old blockbuster building by my house. It's the selling the shovel business model and I'd see how the retails sales go before I would dip my toe in that ocean.
2013-09-09 07:49:49 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: I don't do drugs myself, so I've got no dog in the hunt


Tom_Slick: I don't care if it is legal or not, I don't use it and have no desire to use it


This sentiment is often repeated and I don't get how someone could feel this way.  Is it mental simplicity?  Spinelessness?

Would you say something like, "I'm not political and I don't speak in public, so I don't care if free speech is legal or not"?  That sounds amazingly stupid and cowardly, doesn't it?

The government is telling you what you can and can't do with your own body on your own property.  Regardless of the specifics, that should be fueling massive outrage.
2013-09-09 04:08:44 PM
1 votes:
Because it is legal to grow your own plants in Colorado, any person with a green thumb who can keep the spider mites out of their crop can grow more than their personal needs.  There will be plenty of cannabis to supply the black market and high taxes insures that there will be a black market.  This gives cops an opportunity to do undercover drug investigations and dramatic drug busts they so love.

It is kind of like a local disc golf course that charges $5 per round and employs a guard to insure that people are paying the fee.  Where does the $5 a round go?  To the guard that insures that you pay the fee.
2013-09-09 01:12:17 PM
1 votes:
I've never tried pot and I probably never will. However, I fully support legalization for 3 key reasons:

1. Financial. We spend an absolutely ridiculous amount of money each year trying to stop the flow of marijuana, and we're failing horribly. Legalize it and tax it, and we'll save a huge amount on the enforcement, prosecution and incarceration end and make a ton on the tax side. Win-win.

2. Open it up for medical studies. I've seen some pretty good anecdotal evidence that marijuana or marijuana extracts could have some very good, legitimate medical uses. Maybe it's all bullshiat too, but I think it's worth the effort to do some actual scientific studies on the issue and find out for sure. We can't do that as long as it is classified as a Schedule 1 substance.

3. It will get the hippie legalization crowd to just shut the fark up already.

So now we're finally at a point where we're experimenting with legalization. We still can't do studies because the legal classification at the federal level hasn't changed, so #2 is still out at this point. On top of that, the goddamn hippies are still whining (#3) about #1. Congratulations, potheads. You're almost making me reconsider my entire position on the topic.
2013-09-09 01:00:32 PM
1 votes:
They tax Tobacco and Alcohol, so just get over it.
2013-09-09 12:31:16 PM
1 votes:

knowless: WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.

Who do you know that bothers growing their own tobacco? Eventually legal weed will become so ubiquitous that procuring it otherwise will seem silly.

..buy moonshine because potters just ain't cheap enough? I mean, besides people that drink mouthwash and rubbing alcohol?

The only people buying weed illegally will eventually be teenagers waiting outside a 7-11.

Market forces will stabilise the price between the two, convenience is a market force.


Plus, let's not ignore the fact that there are some serious barriers to entry into the moonshine market. If I wanted to start cranking out "Gonz' Hi-Powered Hooch" today, I'd need to do some heavy investment. First off, I'd need to acquire a still, which isn't cheap. Then, I'd need to have a fairly substantial time investment while I learned how to make some wine or something to distill. (OK, I already know how to make wine, but bear with me.) Then, I'm going to have to learn how to operate my still.

Combine that with the fact that I'm risking some serious jail time for making an illegal product, and I can pretty much guarantee that I'm going to need to price my product higher than the bottom-shelf vodka... which is defeating the purpose. If I was trying to become some sort of craft distillery, cranking out exotic brandies or whiskies, it would be one thing. If I'm trying to make cheap moonshine in order to go low end? That's an unsustainable business model.
2013-09-09 12:11:41 PM
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: gfid: I don't care if they tax it either.

"Marijuana was supposed to be taxed and regulated like alcohol, not tobacco,"

Go cry some more, biatches. When they increased tobacco taxes you said nothing. The cost of a carton went from $48 to $75 before the taxes even took effect and no, the increase in taxes wasn't enough to justify that price increase.

The funny thing is they're also going to argue, as folks always have, that pot is less bad for you than alcohol and so it doesn't make sense to tax it this way.  Never mind that most people smoke it, which inserts hot ash into the lungs, which is terribly bad like tobacco.  Never mind that when we industrialize it, we'll add a ton of chemicals like with tobacco.  It'll be just as bad, and people will be mad that we're taxing funny-smelling cigarettes like cigarettes instead of like alcohol.

Don't they realize the taxes are all arbitrary?  This high tax is a revenue generating risk control to offset the failed Obamacare costs from increased healthcare problems.  Nobody can agree on how much health damage this will cause in general, so they're making conservative risk estimates and thus estimating high and mitigating with high taxes.  This may reduce risk beyond actual risk into an excessively high perceived risk, but at least they won't come up short when the public health cost impact hits.  It's that line of thinking.

It is also that pot is bad and we are giving a sin tax on this stuff to make bad people pay a tithe for being bad and doing such bad things, so of course it's very palatable.  A high tax accomplishes every conceivable goal, as long as it's kept below the market cost of illegal dealings--if we can manufacture this stuff more cheaply on an industrial scale and a 100% tax mark-up still brings a product at a price too low for small illegal dealers to make good business from, then a 100% tax mark-up really still accomplishes our goals as it will push the illegal element out and draw tons of revenue and disc ...


you are a moron.
2013-09-09 11:54:13 AM
1 votes:
Utah has bars, restaurants, no limit on retail sales and taxes are not that high.
2013-09-09 11:48:57 AM
1 votes:

bmwericus: devildog123: Almost everyone I knew who supported legalization used as one of their arguments "we could tax it, and all that money would go to the government".  So, now that it's legal, they're pissed that Colorado is going to tax their weed?  Jesus, be grateful you won, and accept that what you claimed was a positive of the legislation has come to pass.

Add 30% to the price of your legal beer and see how you feel.  Taxation is one thing, excess, puntative taxes that are essentially the Scarlet Letter..."We don't think you should do this but since you voted to make it legal, you can still do it only behind your closed curtains, and you pay a lot more tax and you can't have more than an ounce"...etc.

It's a bunch of freaking balloon juice, but the pants-wetting drunks just cannot seem to get over themselves.  Their day will come.

Want to have an amendment, regulate alcohol like Marijuana...

Close all bars
no liquor in restaurants
You can buy 8 ABU's if you are a resident, 2 if you are from out of state and you MUST provide a valid photo ID and have it recorded.
Tax all sauce at 30% sales tax, for the Children.
Liquor stores open 11AM to 7PM, not on Sat, or Sunday at all.
No drinking outside your house, inside where no one can see you...

Imagine the howling of the drunks if this passed?


You just described Utah.
2013-09-09 11:44:02 AM
1 votes:

AltheaToldMe: LasersHurt: NOTHING about weed costs $60/eighth ounce to produce

Holy FARK!  Either I am old and in the way, or that is a REALLY high markup.


Yeah, $60 for an 8th is farked up.  Who the hell buys 8ths anyway?  When I first started buying weed it was $20-25 a quarter.  Granted it was Mexiweed, but still.

Today, I could probably get a whole ounce of kind bud for about $250.  I dunno - I've only bought weed once in the last few years and I don't remember what I paid, but I do know that $60 for an 8th is a farking ripoff.
2013-09-09 11:38:47 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Try reading the article next time. They want it to be taxed like alcohol.


Yes, and Legal, taxed pot alcohol will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot alcohol. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.

=Smidge=
/Insert some witty comment about not reading here
2013-09-09 11:36:56 AM
1 votes:

devildog123: Almost everyone I knew who supported legalization used as one of their arguments "we could tax it, and all that money would go to the government".  So, now that it's legal, they're pissed that Colorado is going to tax their weed?  Jesus, be grateful you won, and accept that what you claimed was a positive of the legislation has come to pass.


Add 30% to the price of your legal beer and see how you feel.  Taxation is one thing, excess, puntative taxes that are essentially the Scarlet Letter..."We don't think you should do this but since you voted to make it legal, you can still do it only behind your closed curtains, and you pay a lot more tax and you can't have more than an ounce"...etc.

It's a bunch of freaking balloon juice, but the pants-wetting drunks just cannot seem to get over themselves.  Their day will come.

Want to have an amendment, regulate alcohol like Marijuana...

Close all bars
no liquor in restaurants
You can buy 8 ABU's if you are a resident, 2 if you are from out of state and you MUST provide a valid photo ID and have it recorded.
Tax all sauce at 30% sales tax, for the Children.
Liquor stores open 11AM to 7PM, not on Sat, or Sunday at all.
No drinking outside your house, inside where no one can see you...

Imagine the howling of the drunks if this passed?
2013-09-09 11:35:09 AM
1 votes:
Just let me grow my own for personal use.  That's all I ask.  Hopefully it'll be legal in Tennessee before I retire in 20 years.  We're already considering legal hemp, Kentucky did that a while ago.  So it might be possible down here in Jesus land.
2013-09-09 11:28:37 AM
1 votes:

AltheaToldMe: LasersHurt: NOTHING about weed costs $60/eighth ounce to produce

Holy FARK!  Either I am old and in the way, or that is a REALLY high markup.


I've heard it's only that much for higher quality stuff, and that you can get cheap shiat for $20-25 bucks an eighth.

/or so I've heard
2013-09-09 11:27:16 AM
1 votes:
IMHO, if it becomes legal at the federal level, they should place a SCHIP tax on it.
2013-09-09 11:21:36 AM
1 votes:

Smidge204: WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.

Just like with alcohol.
=Smidge=


Try reading the article next time.  They want it to be taxed like alcohol.

ftfa -  But critics are upset state and local governments want to tax marijuana at a much higher rate than alcohol.
"Marijuana was supposed to be taxed and regulated like alcohol, not tobacco," a press release from organizers states.
2013-09-09 11:20:05 AM
1 votes:

ArkPanda: I'm not sure if the anti- or pro-legalization people are more full of shiat.  According to the legalizers, it's supposed to instantly end all crime and balance the budget.


"I enjoy making ridiculously oversimplified arguments, pretending other people make them, and then judging them for it."
2013-09-09 11:19:50 AM
1 votes:

devildog123: Almost everyone I knew who supported legalization used as one of their arguments "we could tax it, and all that money would go to the government".  So, now that it's legal, they're pissed that Colorado is going to tax their weed?  Jesus, be grateful you won, and accept that what you claimed was a positive of the legislation has come to pass.


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2013-09-09 11:18:37 AM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Legal, taxed pot will always be more expensive than illegal, untaxed pot. Market forces will push people to continue buying from illegal sources.


Which is why more people drink moonshine than legal whiskey, right? When pot is legal, the penalties for selling it untaxed will be harsh, as harsh as untaxed tobacco and liquor. Doing 2 years in federal prison for selling an untaxed legal product will not appeal to most people.  Like tobacco their probably will be a "grow for personal use" provision, but again the penalties for selling it will be too harsh for the average person growing their own weed.
2013-09-09 11:15:14 AM
1 votes:
Shhhhhhhh! STFU and pay your taxes. You know it's still technically illegal, RIGHT? Don't make waves at this tender time.
2013-09-09 11:15:08 AM
1 votes:
You know, I get why coke, heroin, crack, and meth are illegal.....but why is a plant illegal?  I don't do drugs myself, so I've got no dog in the hunt, but it's always puzzled me why something as physically and socially destructive as meth is put in the same group as pot.  Methheads will kill....what's a pothead going to kill?  A couple Nachos Bel Grande from Taco Bell?
2013-09-09 11:14:49 AM
1 votes:
Don't waste your time. There was a story on another local news program last night about this. I wouldn't sully my lungs with the garbage they showed them rolling.

/Why yes, I am a snob
 
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