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(South Jersey Courier-Post)   Since their precious snowflakes are unique and certainly not standardized, some parents feel it's cruel to subject them to standardized tests in school   (courierpostonline.com) divider line 114
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2013-09-09 01:22:57 PM

JPSimonetti: Bontesla: JPSimonetti: I'm just gonna say it. The only reason I'd keep my kids away from standardized testing is if I knew it would embarrass them. Like, they'd just bomb the thing because they were idiots.

Regardless of how bad standardized testing is, is it really necessary to draw attention to yourself by refusing to take it? I mean, really? What harm is it doing to your child, or you, as individuals? It lets you know (more often than not) where your kid stands, and knowledge is important for progression. That's why they're in school.

Either the parents are stupid, or the kids are stupid. I mean that literally. There is no reason to soapbox this issue when the cost to your kid and knowledge of how to handle their future is so high.

Standardized tests are an inadequate tool for measuring knowledge. Why waste our time trying to teach students how to pass these tests when we could be just teaching student?

Absolute rubbish. I was misguided as a youth, to put it mildly. I was suspended at least once a month, never did homework, slept through half my classes, etc. The only way anyone knew what I could actually do was from the yearly TCAP (Tennessee standardized tests). And you know what? I nailed them. Every single one, I was in the top 10%. I couldn't go a day without hearing "You're so smart, but you don't apply yourself." If the tests didn't exist, everyone would have (rightfully so) thought I was a complete idiot.

I don't buy into this culture about testing only showing how well you take tests. To me, it sounds like a cop out for kids that can't focus or can't recall what they learn. How can you NOT know how to take a test, but do fine on everything else? It's nonsense. Every class I took had at least 1 test a week. What's the difference between a weekly test and a yearly test? If you'd fail one, you'd fail the other. There is nothing about a longer test that makes it more difficult. This is snowflake-syndrome and parents that don't want to admit their kids might have problems learning or focusing, which is what tests will show and that's sort of the point.

Obviously, I graduated before the anti-test crowd stampeded to the media.


This isn't the opinion of a singular farker. There are studies demonstrating this trend.

Some students are bad test takers. Others do poorly under time restraint. Others remember better by putting scientific equations to a beat.

Some students do better taking the reading portion in the afternoon. Others in the morning.

And what happens when the tests fall during flu season? There are some entrance exams that average your test results. One bad test because you're on DayQuil can knock you down an entire their in terms of colleges.

And none of the standardized tests measure anything beyond parroting back information. The students can and have demonstrated proficiencies in the subjects while still utterly failing to understand and apply the knowledge they're supposedly proficient in.
 
2013-09-09 01:36:52 PM
namegoeshere: Arsten: What school teaches HOW to take the test more than the week or so directly before the tests?

THIS is what we are talking about! Kids are spending upwards of two hours a day every day practicing this test. They learn how to answer the questions on the test. They take a practice test that looks just like the test at least once a week if not more. Starting week one of school.

Well, as a former teacher, there is something to be said about trying to reduce test anxiety by using a practice test.  If they find out prior to the real thing that it's not so bad, that they'll have time to answer most of the questions, etc., then that should improve overall scores and hopefully stop reinforcing fears of such testing.
 
2013-09-09 01:43:15 PM

knowless: My favorite part is how NCLB ties funding to improving scores, not good scores, but improving.
So a school can consistently out-perform others and still see funding cuts, truly a work of genius.


This was my favorite part of ROTC.  When we had to take the PT test, I'd do just enough to pass.  When the next one came around, I'd max out on just about every test.  I won "Most Improved" 3 times before they banned me from the award.  I simply explained that they set up the rules and I shouldn't be punished for finding flaws in their system.
 
2013-09-09 01:58:23 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: CPT Ethanolic: How about we try teaching critical thinking instead of producing little robots.

How about you end questions with a question mark.


It's not a question it's a suggestion, it doesn't require a question mark.

Also, aren't you missing a question mark?  You ARE!

Didn't have your trollios this morning did you?
 
2013-09-09 02:00:12 PM

Felgraf: Dafatone: As someone who teaches writing nowhere near North Carolina, I'm curious. How so?

It's been a while, and I've purged most of the writing from my mind, but I seem to recall:

First paragraph should always START generalized then funnel down into what you REALLY want to talk about (Apparently, going straight off the bat into your topic is a no-no! So I learned to start with bullshiat generalizations, etc.). Then you need at least one sentence that states EXPLICITLY what your next three paragraphs will be.

The next there paragraphs must describe/talk about your topic. When I took it, it ALWAYS needed to be three paragraphs in the body, and they needed to be about different/slightly different things. So you were taught to ALWAYS find a way to break your subject into three chunks. MORE THAN THREE PARAGRAPHS=BAD. Less than three, BAAAAAAD! Because they ahve to grade it by incredibely precise criteria, so they all have to be close to the same.

Then a conclusion paragraph, where you sum up what you said, and funnel back out to general again!

It was more the "Funneling" plus the "ALWAYS THREE BODY PARAGRAPHS!" that farked me over for a bit. I adapted quick, but damnit it was irritating to realize it had been such a waste of time.


Heh.   Are you sure that wasn't Michigan?

I mean, eventually (Read: 10th farking grade) they just taught us that the end of the funnel was called your "thesis" and that we were doing it backwards (Namely, instead of 1 sentence listing off 3 paragraphs, your 3 paragraphs should tie into and support your thesis), but it was pretty much the same deal.

/Look, there's a reason I'm CS.
 
2013-09-09 02:35:04 PM

maram500: Apologies. I was, of course, only joking.


No apology necessary.  My fail is there for the world to see.
 
2013-09-09 02:38:47 PM

Wingchild: Sounds like parents who sucked at school and are ashamed of their mediocre lives are trying to spare their children the ignominy they suffered (while still preserving their ignorance).


I score A's and B's on almost every subject while being tested. Speaking as a student, they do  jack shiat for teaching--they're just a way to keep your 'points' high enough to win the prize of a 'good grade'.
 
2013-09-09 02:42:02 PM

PsiChick: I score A's and B's on almost every subject while being tested. Speaking as a student, they do jack shiat for teaching--they're just a way to keep your 'points' high enough to win the prize of a 'good grade'.


The only thing tests were ever supposed to do for teaching is measure how well the information is being absorbed. This is a very important thing, and needs to continue, but we've started using testing for things it wasn't designed to do, and that is causing problems.
 
2013-09-09 04:31:31 PM

CPT Ethanolic: Standardized tests are moronic.


Complaining about "standardized tests" in an education system that applies education like paint -- spraying children as they go by on a conveyer belt and hoping it sticks -- is like complaining about the flavor of mercury tinctures used in your syphilis treatment. The actual problem is much more fundamental, and the one you're complaining about wouldn't even exist if you fixed the underlying issue.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with examinations or standards; I'd argue they are vital to measuring the outcomes of education system and making improvements. It's just that we've selected ridiculous standards based on how easy they are to measure, rather than how important they are to positive educational outcomes, so the tests don't actually give us any useful information.
 
2013-09-09 04:37:56 PM

namegoeshere: The problem is that the test  has become the most important thing the children do. At the expense of everything else.


No. The problem is the test doesn't measure anything we really want to know. If the test actually told us how well our children were being educated then "teaching to the test" would be an ideal outcome.

But the exams instead measure things that are easy to test, and because they're easy to test we've made them important. It's hardly the first time that's happened in human history.
 
2013-09-09 04:48:10 PM
Crap like this led to the WASL. A standardized test that doesn't give a crap about having the right answer, just that you can justify your stupidly wrong answer.
 
2013-09-09 07:05:47 PM
FTA: She said parents who pull their children out of testing wouldn't be able to identify if a student was having problems in a particular subject and the move would deny educators the chance to see if the curriculum is working.

Really? You have no other methods of evaluation? None?
 
2013-09-09 07:18:31 PM
Can we spot those in this thread that either failed at tests, or have snowflakes that are dumb as a bag of hammers?
Yes, I think we can.
 
2013-09-09 09:54:08 PM
Subtard's War on Children® continues...
 
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