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2013-09-09 09:08:05 AM  
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There's a STORM coming!
 
2013-09-09 09:13:36 AM  
Reasons against building an underground doomsday shelter: You might be growing drugs in there

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It would seem in the eyes of certain city council members that if it didn't happen on Breaking Bad, it doesn't exist.
 
2013-09-09 09:14:41 AM  
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2013-09-09 09:16:36 AM  
I'm no geologist, but I find it difficult to believe that Cletus's backyard bunker is going to have a meaningful impact on fault lines.
 
2013-09-09 09:17:10 AM  
I really hate the "you might possibly be contemplating something illegal, so we're just going to arrest you anyway...you know...just in case....for your safety....citizen..." mentality, it just drives me nuts.
Politicians just don't like competition and their thermal scanners don't work 20 feet underground.

I would freaking love one of these bunkers, it's like the fort you wanted as a kid, only much, much better!
My wife would hate it because I might be down there and possibly sitting still, not cleaning the garage, or building planter boxes, or having a conversation with her about her scentsy business.
Or even worse...playing a video game...god save us all.
I'm too damn paranoid and claustrophobic though.  What if the door shuts, and locks.....from the outside!
That would be my luck.  Getting out would be easy though.. I'd just have to tell my wife that I'm looking at online porn and she'd rip the door off with her bare hands.
 
2013-09-09 09:17:45 AM  
Engage phase two, Miss Tessmacher.
 
2013-09-09 09:18:28 AM  

mod3072: I'm no geologist, but I find it difficult to believe that Cletus's backyard bunker is going to have a meaningful impact on fault lines.


Nor is he growing meth or doing lines of weed.
It's just the fear-mongering and douchebaggery of a police state.
 
2013-09-09 09:21:00 AM  
Yes because that is what drug dealers do. Spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building an underground shelter to grow some pot. Yup. Genius.
 
2013-09-09 09:21:50 AM  
ww1.hdnux.com

That sign sums up preppers and doomsday fanatics. They really just want an excuse to kill anyone who looks at them funny.
 
2013-09-09 09:25:32 AM  
On a side note...I don't get these prefab underground shelters at all. Why would you build something with no way to grow your own food? If I built an underground shelter it would at least have an aquaponics system, but I'd like to find a way to incorporate small livestock without worry about sanitation issues (like goats and chickens).

I think underground shelters are nifty. Even if the end times don't come, you stil have a cool guesthouse or a unique place for the kids to have sleepovers. Hell I'd even use it as a quarantine shelter for when the family gets sick (I'd stay there, not force the sickies out).
 
2013-09-09 09:26:46 AM  
Building bunkers may be on the lunatic paranoid side or just living out childish fort fantasies or even a bit of "Hey look what I can do", but I never would guess somebody would challenge the legality of building one.
 
2013-09-09 09:27:13 AM  

Teknowaffle: That sign sums up preppers and doomsday fanatics. They really just want an excuse to kill anyone who looks at them funny.


He-man woman haters club.
 
2013-09-09 09:28:24 AM  
I've watched the prepper show, and that is way to nice for a prepper.

/On a side note those would make awesome tornado bunkers, safe and big enough to live in while you repair or rebuild your house.
 
2013-09-09 09:36:59 AM  

Tom_Slick: I've watched the prepper show, and that is way to nice for a prepper.

/On a side note those would make awesome tornado bunkers, safe and big enough to live in while you repair or rebuild your house.


I often wonder why the heaviest tornado areas don't build underground by default. Wouldn't the excavation costs be cheaper than the cost of rebuilding every 10 years?
 
2013-09-09 09:38:51 AM  
Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too?

timemarcheson.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-09 09:39:19 AM  
I want one of these just for tornado season.  If you have kids, then no more pants-shiatting from the kids when the storms blow in and they are sure that they are going to die.  Tuck them in the shelter and now instead of freaking out its a party.  Not to mention the fact that this is really no different than having a detached garage with a bonus room above it.  Just another room on your property to play with.
 
2013-09-09 09:40:31 AM  
I don't get the prepper thing. There is no time in human history where most of their plans would really be effective. I mean, sure, have extra food and meds and such. But yikes.

If the disaster is local (storm, flood, bomb, etc.) the REST of the US is going to come and help eventually (unless we keep electing the GOP bootstrap brigade).

If the disaster is SO large that the entire US is effected you measley bunker with just makers you a target for every starving person for miles around.

"Hey JimBob, that guy has a bunker full of food and I got me a back hoe!  Let's eat!"
"Ok, but first let's block the vents for a week or so just to be sure he don't start shooting at us."
 
2013-09-09 09:41:33 AM  

Tom_Slick: On a side note those would make awesome tornado bunkers, safe and big enough to live in while you repair or rebuild your house.


That's not a bad idea.  We were planning on doing ICF construction, but this could work, too.
 
2013-09-09 09:42:44 AM  
How can Christians of any stripe build a bunker full of food. This implies your plan is to hoard the food and use the bunker to keep it away from all the needy starving people around you. Not very Christian.

All I know is this. If my neighbor has a bunker full of food and doesn't share I am gonna park my SUV on top of his bunker door before I head towards the nearest source of food.
 
2013-09-09 09:45:49 AM  

FarknGroovn: I want one of these just for tornado season.  If you have kids, then no more pants-shiatting from the kids when the storms blow in and they are sure that they are going to die.  Tuck them in the shelter and now instead of freaking out its a party.  Not to mention the fact that this is really no different than having a detached garage with a bonus room above it.  Just another room on your property to play with.


I agree I have a tornado closet (literally the master walk-in closet is a re-enforced concrete tornado shelter) when there are tornadoes in the area, we all go sit in the closet.  It would be much nicer to have an underground den where you could just go and act normally until the storm passes.
 
2013-09-09 09:47:07 AM  
The Crystal Method recorded one of their albums in a former doomsday/bomb shelter. They probably would at least make a cool recording studio. Bonus, get a collaboration of the likes of Bieber, Miley, Gaga, Kardashians, etc.. ala Hands Across America or whatever it was......then seal it.
 
2013-09-09 09:47:21 AM  
Tom_Slick:

I agree I have a tornado closet (literally the master walk-in closet is a re-enforced concrete tornado shelter) when there are tornadoes in the area, we all go sit in the closet.  It would be much nicer to have an underground den where you could just go and act normally until the storm passes.

That would be pretty cool. No tornadoes up here (knock wood), but if I lived in tornado alley I would consider it.
 
2013-09-09 09:50:37 AM  
"Most people are going to use their bunkers for good reason, but you do have some sick people out there," Deputy Mayor Wallace Edgerton says....

You can replace "bunkers" with any item in existence and the statement would be just as accurate.  But I bet he's not advocating making screwdrivers or Saran Wrap illegal.
 
2013-09-09 09:52:28 AM  
ww1.hdnux.com

These actually look pretty cool. I wouldn't mind putting one in my back yard, would make one hell of a man cave or even a guest house.
 
2013-09-09 09:57:55 AM  

SpectroBoy: How can Christians of any stripe build a bunker full of food. This implies your plan is to hoard the food and use the bunker to keep it away from all the needy starving people around you. Not very Christian.

All I know is this. If my neighbor has a bunker full of food and doesn't share I am gonna park my SUV on top of his bunker door before I head towards the nearest source of food.


Yes because people who spend there hard earned money planning for disaster and stocking up on food/supplies so their family can survive a bit are complete arsehole and should risk their survival to supply your greedy unprepared ass with food/supplies because you were too uncaring to build up an emegency supply of your own.

The average prepper family spends about $5k a year stocking their supplies. You are just a dumbass whose survival plan is stealing from other people. Nothing wrong with taking that risk, but the people who are prepared are not jerks for not wanting to share with your lazy ass.
 
2013-09-09 09:58:28 AM  

SpectroBoy: How can Christians of any stripe build a bunker full of food. This implies your plan is to hoard the food and use the bunker to keep it away from all the needy starving people around you. Not very Christian.

All I know is this. If my neighbor has a bunker full of food and doesn't share I am gonna park my SUV on top of his bunker door before I head towards the nearest source of food.


It's nice to see the entitlement crowd is here. You wont mind if I come by your house and look through your things will you? I'm sure you have something I could use.
 
2013-09-09 09:58:59 AM  
www.prepperforums.netGIS for prepper

/sigh, our race is doomed
 
2013-09-09 10:02:26 AM  

hailin: Yes because people who spend there hard earned money planning for disaster and stocking up on food/supplies so their family can survive a bit are complete arsehole and should risk their survival to supply your greedy unprepared ass with food/supplies because you were too uncaring to build up an emegency supply of your own.

The average prepper family spends about $5k a year stocking their supplies. You are just a dumbass whose survival plan is stealing from other people. Nothing wrong with taking that risk, but the people who are prepared are not jerks for not wanting to share with your lazy ass.



I am pretty sure we all know where Jesus would stand in such a situation and I am pretty sure his words would not be "Screw those guys, they didn't plan. Let em starve, Biatches!"

I'm not particularly religious, but I do find this hoarding to be against the basic foundations of Christianity.

Secondly, I did not say anything about how prepaired I am. It was a hypothetical situation to so a weakness in their plan.

Lastly, if you let innocent people around you starve to death while you sit on large supply of food you are a bad person and a bad Christian. Period.  How will you feel when help arrives in a month, your neighbors are dead, and you are still sitting on 11 months of food?
 
2013-09-09 10:10:55 AM  

ReapTheChaos: It's nice to see the entitlement crowd is here. You wont mind if I come by your house and look through your things will you? I'm sure you have something I could use.


Good point.

That is exactly the same as sitting on a years worth of food while listening to people starve to death outside your door. No difference at all. You got me.
 
2013-09-09 10:16:21 AM  

hailin: Yes because that is what drug dealers do. Spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building an underground shelter to grow some pot. Yup. Genius.


It has happened, but the authorities in this case are still asshats:

In Tennessee:

sparkreport.net

sparkreport.net


From this:  http://sparkreport.net/2009/03/the-full-story-behind-the-great-tennes s ee-pot-cave/
 
2013-09-09 10:20:26 AM  
Handy tip:

If you find yourself in the apocalypse and find an underground bunker full of preppers and food here's what you do. Connect the exhaust pipe from your truck to the air intake of the bunker. Be sure to use duct tape in case they turn off their fan. You want the positive pressure.

Then, wait by the door with your gun.

Of course, if they refuse to come out and die, you are going to have to dig it out, but the food will still be good.
 
2013-09-09 10:24:14 AM  

computerguyUT: I really hate the "you might possibly be contemplating something illegal, so we're just going to arrest you anyway...you know...just in case....for your safety....citizen..." mentality, it just drives me nuts.
Politicians just don't like competition and their thermal scanners don't work 20 feet underground.

I would freaking love one of these bunkers, it's like the fort you wanted as a kid, only much, much better!
My wife would hate it because I might be down there and possibly sitting still, not cleaning the garage, or building planter boxes, or having a conversation with her about her scentsy business.
Or even worse...playing a video game...god save us all.
I'm too damn paranoid and claustrophobic though.  What if the door shuts, and locks.....from the outside!
That would be my luck.  Getting out would be easy though.. I'd just have to tell my wife that I'm looking at online porn and she'd rip the door off with her bare hands.


Are you ... me? We might be somehow related.
 
2013-09-09 10:25:41 AM  

mod3072: I'm no geologist, but I find it difficult to believe that Cletus's backyard bunker is going to have a meaningful impact on fault lines.


I suspect they're worried about people being trapped in their bunkers after an earthquake and being difficult to rescue
 
2013-09-09 10:26:06 AM  

SpectroBoy: [www.prepperforums.net image 850x1269]GIS for prepper
/sigh, our race is doomed


I'll be in my bunker.
 
2013-09-09 10:27:08 AM  

SpectroBoy: hailin: Yes because people who spend there hard earned money planning for disaster and stocking up on food/supplies so their family can survive a bit are complete arsehole and should risk their survival to supply your greedy unprepared ass with food/supplies because you were too uncaring to build up an emegency supply of your own.

The average prepper family spends about $5k a year stocking their supplies. You are just a dumbass whose survival plan is stealing from other people. Nothing wrong with taking that risk, but the people who are prepared are not jerks for not wanting to share with your lazy ass.


I am pretty sure we all know where Jesus would stand in such a situation and I am pretty sure his words would not be "Screw those guys, they didn't plan. Let em starve, Biatches!"

I'm not particularly religious, but I do find this hoarding to be against the basic foundations of Christianity.

Secondly, I did not say anything about how prepaired I am. It was a hypothetical situation to so a weakness in their plan.

Lastly, if you let innocent people around you starve to death while you sit on large supply of food you are a bad person and a bad Christian. Period.  How will you feel when help arrives in a month, your neighbors are dead, and you are still sitting on 11 months of food?


I never said I was christian. I also believe in survival of the fittest. Unless those "innocent" people can trade or supply valuable resources (medicine, bullets, or skills such as doctor, hunting, etc.) then fark them. If the try to steal from me I will do my best to protect my abode.

It is the end of the world and my only goal is to protect my family. I don't give a fark about anyone else. If you don't have a survival plan, supplies and/or useful skills to help my family out then starve or move on and find a more accomodating community. That does not make me an arsehole, but a realist.

For example, lets say I have two years of food saved up and the end of the world truly did come. That means we have maybe a year to get a farm going with cattle, livestock, gardens, and etc. to continue supplying food after that period. Some of that food will go to trading for supplies. Some will go to people we take on in the community with skills to farm and protect the community. If re-establishing is impossible then that food and the supplies have to support the community during migration somewhere else. Then you show up with no useful skills, no supplies, nothing to trade, and a family to feed. Why in fark should I help out deadweight during that crucial timeframe? After the community is established and food is plentiful, then you are more than welcome, but before then I have one concern only: survival. I'm not risking that to feed you and your family out of humanity. All that will do is put EVERYONE at risk. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
 
2013-09-09 10:32:10 AM  

SpectroBoy: hailin: Yes because people who spend there hard earned money planning for disaster and stocking up on food/supplies so their family can survive a bit are complete arsehole and should risk their survival to supply your greedy unprepared ass with food/supplies because you were too uncaring to build up an emegency supply of your own.

The average prepper family spends about $5k a year stocking their supplies. You are just a dumbass whose survival plan is stealing from other people. Nothing wrong with taking that risk, but the people who are prepared are not jerks for not wanting to share with your lazy ass.


I am pretty sure we all know where Jesus would stand in such a situation and I am pretty sure his words would not be "Screw those guys, they didn't plan. Let em starve, Biatches!"

I'm not particularly religious, but I do find this hoarding to be against the basic foundations of Christianity.

Secondly, I did not say anything about how prepaired I am. It was a hypothetical situation to so a weakness in their plan.

Lastly, if you let innocent people around you starve to death while you sit on large supply of food you are a bad person and a bad Christian. Period.  How will you feel when help arrives in a month, your neighbors are dead, and you are still sitting on 11 months of food?


Jesus could feed 5k people with five loaves and two fish.  I ain't that good.
 
2013-09-09 10:33:50 AM  
Well it worked so well for Adolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerbunker

Seriously, you are almost defenseless in anything underground. I'd go for one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martello_tower
and not show it off on Doomsday Preppers.
 
2013-09-09 10:36:12 AM  
In the more likely event of a tornado or something that would interrupt life for a few weeks or months I'd have no trouble supporting some of my neighbors, but I would sure hope they wouldn't be dicks about using my food/supplies without any sort of compensation afterwards (doesn't have to be monetary, but helping cleanup or rebuild would be appreciated).
 
2013-09-09 10:42:37 AM  
hailin: I never said I was christian. I also believe in survival of the fittest. Unless those "innocent" people can trade or supply valuable resources (medicine, bullets, or skills such as doctor, hunting, etc.) then fark them. If the try to steal from me I will do my best to protect my abode.

Fair enough. I was really addressing self-proclaimed Christian preppers. I don't see how those two things are compatible. What you say here makes sense. 

It is the end of the world and my only goal is to protect my family. I don't give a fark about anyone else. If you don't have a survival plan, supplies and/or useful skills to help my family out then starve or move on and find a more accomodating community. That does not make me an arsehole, but a realist.

Now THIS is an honest and workable approach.

For example, lets say I have two years of food saved up and the end of the world truly did come. That means we have maybe a year to get a farm going with cattle, livestock, gardens, and etc. to continue supplying food after that period. Some of that food will go to trading for supplies. Some will go to people we take on in the community with skills to farm and protect the community. If re-establishing is impossible then that food and the supplies have to support the community during migration somewhere else. Then you show up with no useful skills, no supplies, nothing to trade, and a family to feed. Why in fark should I help out deadweight during that crucial timeframe? After the community is established and food is plentiful, then you are more than welcome, but before then I have one concern only: survival. I'm not risking that to feed you and your family out of humanity. All that will do is put EVERYONE at risk. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

I get it. Really.

I really only had 2 points.

1) How can Christians be preppers who hoard food (They can't).

2) If a prepper's plan includes locking yourself in an underground box, it's not a good plan.
 
2013-09-09 10:50:56 AM  
Not with a bang but a whimper.
 
2013-09-09 10:57:27 AM  

Xlr8urfark: computerguyUT: I really hate the "you might possibly be contemplating something illegal, so we're just going to arrest you anyway...you know...just in case....for your safety....citizen..." mentality, it just drives me nuts.
Politicians just don't like competition and their thermal scanners don't work 20 feet underground.

I would freaking love one of these bunkers, it's like the fort you wanted as a kid, only much, much better!
My wife would hate it because I might be down there and possibly sitting still, not cleaning the garage, or building planter boxes, or having a conversation with her about her scentsy business.
Or even worse...playing a video game...god save us all.
I'm too damn paranoid and claustrophobic though.  What if the door shuts, and locks.....from the outside!
That would be my luck.  Getting out would be easy though.. I'd just have to tell my wife that I'm looking at online porn and she'd rip the door off with her bare hands.

Are you ... me? We might be somehow related.


Seriously. I am just about ready for the apocalypse. My house will emit the sweet smells of whatever the fark those boxes full of candle shait are sitting in the garage for while it burns.
 
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2013-09-09 11:02:00 AM  

SpectroBoy: ReapTheChaos: It's nice to see the entitlement crowd is here. You wont mind if I come by your house and look through your things will you? I'm sure you have something I could use.

Good point.

That is exactly the same as sitting on a years worth of food while listening to people starve to death outside your door. No difference at all. You got me.


You need to work on your trolling :)
 
2013-09-09 11:02:05 AM  
Whatever happened to the good old days when the Preppers and Doomsdayers would just climb into a nearby cave and block themselves in?
 
2013-09-09 11:05:26 AM  

hailin: SpectroBoy: hailin: Yes because people who spend there hard earned money planning for disaster and stocking up on food/supplies so their family can survive a bit are complete arsehole and should risk their survival to supply your greedy unprepared ass with food/supplies because you were too uncaring to build up an emegency supply of your own.

The average prepper family spends about $5k a year stocking their supplies. You are just a dumbass whose survival plan is stealing from other people. Nothing wrong with taking that risk, but the people who are prepared are not jerks for not wanting to share with your lazy ass.


I am pretty sure we all know where Jesus would stand in such a situation and I am pretty sure his words would not be "Screw those guys, they didn't plan. Let em starve, Biatches!"

I'm not particularly religious, but I do find this hoarding to be against the basic foundations of Christianity.

Secondly, I did not say anything about how prepaired I am. It was a hypothetical situation to so a weakness in their plan.

Lastly, if you let innocent people around you starve to death while you sit on large supply of food you are a bad person and a bad Christian. Period.  How will you feel when help arrives in a month, your neighbors are dead, and you are still sitting on 11 months of food?

I never said I was christian. I also believe in survival of the fittest. Unless those "innocent" people can trade or supply valuable resources (medicine, bullets, or skills such as doctor, hunting, etc.) then fark them. If the try to steal from me I will do my best to protect my abode.

It is the end of the world and my only goal is to protect my family. I don't give a fark about anyone else. If you don't have a survival plan, supplies and/or useful skills to help my family out then starve or move on and find a more accomodating community. That does not make me an arsehole, but a realist.

For example, lets say I have two years of food saved up and the end of the world trul ...


If you really care for your family, you should remember that genetic diversity is also useful.  You should keep any girls (or boys if you have girls) who come along.  You don't want your sons to have to marry their sisters.
 
2013-09-09 11:14:24 AM  
Reasons to build an underground doomsday shelter: because they're AWESOME, that's why.

/I want a batcave
 
2013-09-09 11:18:36 AM  

Millennium: Reasons to build an underground doomsday shelter: because they're AWESOME, that's why.

/I want a batcave


Batcave, shooting range, home theater, man cave, wine cellar. All good.

Just don't lock yourself in there during civil unrest.
 
2013-09-09 11:21:24 AM  

SpectroBoy: I am pretty sure we all know where Jesus would stand in such a situation and I am pretty sure his words would not be "Screw those guys, they didn't plan. Let em starve, Biatches!"


Christianity's ethos is not as selfless as certain political interests would like people to believe: there is an ethic of taking care of yourself. You cannot do nearly as much good for the needy if you yourself are in need, and you certainly can't do good for others if you are dead.

Lastly, if you let innocent people around you starve to death while you sit on large supply of food you are a bad person and a bad Christian. Period. How will you feel when help arrives in a month, your neighbors are dead, and you are still sitting on 11 months of food?

A good Christian would share their supplies, no doubt about it, but you have to have supplies before you can share them.
 
2013-09-09 11:32:15 AM  
Personal Responsibility.

It enables you to have public responsibility.

Example: I have a stocked jump bag in my car, along with a bug out bag. To date, I have used the med bag it once for myself and over 50 times for other people in issues ranging from minor boo boos and blisters, to full out motorcycle wrecks and pedestrians collapsing. I have used the bug out bag for impromptu camping... but more often to loan out sweaters on cold days, blankets to spread for sudden picnics, and other tools for those who need them etc.

It's simple, you have to be able to take care of yourself to be able to take care of others. At the minimum, take care of yourself so that you don't need the resources that can go to others that can't.

So, with that in mind: How are the guys who do that, or at least make themselves not a burden the bad guys and selfish, but those that make no effort secure their own supplies for the simple basic needs and plan on instead stealing, or taking assistance that could go elsewhere more compassionate and humane?
 
2013-09-09 11:54:51 AM  
Digging a bunker still not as bad as fracking.
 
2013-09-09 12:10:09 PM  

SpectroBoy: ReapTheChaos: It's nice to see the entitlement crowd is here. You wont mind if I come by your house and look through your things will you? I'm sure you have something I could use.

Good point.

That is exactly the same as sitting on a years worth of food while listening to people starve to death outside your door. No difference at all. You got me.


If someone needs help and I can give it to them, I will, but if I have no way of knowing how long a situation is going to last then only an absolute fool would be giving up their own supplies to every stranger that comes along. With that mindset, you'll be out begging for food yourself in a few days.

Say what you want but you would do the same thing. Christian charity is all fine and good, but in an absolute survival situation those things go out the window, that's just the cold hard facts of the matter. I would never expect others to take care of me because I was to lazy to do it myself.
 
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