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(NFL)   Eli Manning threw the game winning touchdown pass in this game. It just wasn't to his team, is all   (nfl.com) divider line 232
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2013-09-09 04:11:07 PM  

yumpizza: As for ratios, let's try playoffs winning percentage instead.


You don't get credit for failing to make the playoffs with a superior team.
 
2013-09-09 04:13:36 PM  
Also, Eli Manning didn't force Kyle Williams to drop two punts, including the one that gave the Giants the game-winning score as Eli's "offense" got shut down time and time again. Eli Manning didn't force the Packers to fumble on every single possession. Eli Manning gave up more points to the Falcons than the Giants' defense did. He didn't carry that team for sh*t.
 
2013-09-09 04:16:17 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.

Agreed. It should count as a fumble charged to the receiver.


Gonna have to disagree. Take a look at the play & feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZvCS0Ndh8

First, Eli's the one that threw the ball. No one else.

Second, Eli threw it before Scott had his head turned anticipating the incoming pass.

Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that  Dipassed for  Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.

Conclusion: That pick-6 is all on Eli, not Scott. Kudos to Carr for the heads-up ply on basically the ol' "tip drill".

Now, take a close look at the tape from that play & honestly tell me you wouldn't be ripping/blaming Romo if the roles were reversed & saying he choked/made a mistake that cost his team the game.
 
2013-09-09 04:27:26 PM  

4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him.


Everything else was accurate, but I'd point out that the Cowboys rush had beaten the blocks and they were set free. could've waited another step, though, and definitely hurried it.
 
2013-09-09 04:33:18 PM  

4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that Dipassed for Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.


Which one? Do you mean this one? Just checking.

i27.photobucket.com

Watch carefully for accuracy..... NYG 24 DAL 30 *peacock spin VWERRRRRRP* TOUCHDOWN
 
2013-09-09 04:42:47 PM  

rickythepenguin: IAmRight: Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.

well shiat.  i actually stopped to think about that, too.  data bank was like, "white bills dude.....hustle guy....TASKER!"


Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?
 
2013-09-09 05:00:36 PM  

rubertidom: Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?


Tim Dwight?

/but he went to SD, then New England, then the Jets, then the Raiders
//meets the description, though
 
2013-09-09 05:05:36 PM  

IAmRight: rubertidom: Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?

Tim Dwight?

/but he went to SD, then New England, then the Jets, then the Raiders
//meets the description, though


That's the guy. Preshinate it.
 
2013-09-09 05:07:08 PM  

IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him.

Everything else was accurate, but I'd point out that the Cowboys rush had beaten the blocks and they were set free. could've waited another step, though, and definitely hurried it.


To say they'd beaten their blocks is a bit of a stretch. Not trying to split hairs, but look again. NY O-linemen have both Hatcher and Ware engaged & both held their blocks up until the
point that the pass was away. Bottom line is he hurried the pass when he really didn't have to hurry it. Granted, it's pretty easy to say that when I'm not the one that has 550+ lbs of pissed off humanity inevitably bearing down on me.

Di Atribe: 4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that Dipassed for Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.

Which one? Do you mean this one? Just checking.

[i27.photobucket.com image 308x257]

Watch carefully for accuracy..... NYG 24 DAL 30 *peacock spin VWERRRRRRP* TOUCHDOWN


Yes, the very one!
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-09 05:11:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.


No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass
 
2013-09-09 05:30:28 PM  

JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass


This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.
 
2013-09-09 05:30:53 PM  

yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903


Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.

Then there are these key areas where it's really not so close...

Regular season completion percentage:
Romo: 64.7
EManing: 58.6

Interception percentage (per 100 passes)
Romo: 2.8
EManning: 3.2

Yards per completion
Romo: 7.9
EManning: 7.1

Career 4th quarter passer rating
Romo 101.9
EManning 84.6


/Dallas O-line still sucks -IMO - & while slightly better than in '12 will still be a problem in '13.
//Frederick and Smith appear to be the only ones that can really play.
///Selvie looks like a good find... and outta nowhere.
 
2013-09-09 05:32:32 PM  

yumpizza: This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.



Eli makes that throw:  "the young man has to know to turn around!  Eli knows where to deliver the ball."

Romo makes that throw:  "Dumb idea, worse execution!"


/good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.
 
2013-09-09 05:37:53 PM  

JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass


Looked good to me, 6 pts!
 
2013-09-09 05:40:52 PM  

rickythepenguin: /good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.


Don't get too excited. It's one of the most obvious tropes in football right now. Eli can go out and bomb spectacularly, but when it's time for the 4th quarter it's "Mr. Comeback Eli" time, and then he bombs again and they're quiet until the next 4th quarter.
 
2013-09-09 05:41:15 PM  

rickythepenguin: yumpizza: This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.


Eli makes that throw:  "the young man has to know to turn around!  Eli knows where to deliver the ball."

Romo makes that throw:  "Dumb idea, worse execution!"


/good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.


Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.
 
2013-09-09 05:45:37 PM  

4NTLRZ: Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.


it is like I've taken the first step into a larger universe!
 
2013-09-09 05:54:26 PM  

rickythepenguin: 4NTLRZ: Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.

it is like I've taken the first step into a larger universe!


Indeed, you are. We all feel are dirty here.
 
2013-09-09 05:54:58 PM  
No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass
 
2013-09-09 05:55:40 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mikey1969: It's still tracked for the receiver, but I totally see where you're coming from here.


ehhh.  just one of those NFL things that drive me semi-bonkers.  what are you gonna do.


We could stage a coup...  :-)
 
2013-09-09 06:33:39 PM  

4NTLRZ: yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.



I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0
 
2013-09-09 06:53:17 PM  

yumpizza: JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass

This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.


I agree that timing is very important on pass plays, but this was just a dumpoff. On a 15+ yard pass you can throw the ball before the receiver has turned around. In this game, if the RB wasn't turned around when Eli threw it he wasn't going to be able to turn around at all. Eli should have seen that. He had time to look.

Plus, why does everyone say the QB is always correct if there's a timing problem? Maybe Eli rushed it because he felt pressure, and the RB was turning at the correct time.
 
2013-09-09 07:06:17 PM  

Di Atribe: I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0


He wasn't talking about last year.  He was comparing each QB's BEST year.

I gotta say, the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo, these threads go from 15 post threads to 223 post threads.
 
2013-09-09 08:15:32 PM  

Slow To Return: the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo


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2013-09-09 09:21:13 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?
 
2013-09-09 09:42:50 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?


Yards are generally a bad thing beyond a certain point.  I don't know the exact stat, but they were chatting about it on the radio this morning, so I'm close here - teams who pass 400 yards have a losing record in the last five years - they're throwing a lot to make up for being in a hole.  You know, like the Giants did.
 
2013-09-09 09:44:43 PM  
He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.
 
2013-09-09 09:57:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?


They have. Have you mentioned that they lost because of his 3 picks yet?
 
2013-09-09 11:01:52 PM  

Khellendros: WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?

Yards are generally a bad thing beyond a certain point.  I don't know the exact stat, but they were chatting about it on the radio this morning, so I'm close here - teams who pass 400 yards have a losing record in the last five years - they're throwing a lot to make up for being in a hole.  You know, like the Giants did.


Also, the more you turn it over, the more yards you're going to have, especially in the case of pick-sixes, since you don't come off the field really and you just start over with a drive.
 
2013-09-09 11:24:21 PM  

Free Radical: He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.


So you only watch the Super Bowl?
 
2013-09-10 12:04:15 AM  
Loving all the excuses from Giants fans, hilarious.
 
2013-09-10 12:41:32 PM  

Di Atribe: 4NTLRZ: yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.


I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0


Well, ya gotta give him one because let's face it, pizza is pretty yummy. That's about as far as I can go, though.

Slow To Return: *** SNIP ***

He wasn't talking about last year.  He was comparing each QB's BEST year.

I gotta say, the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo, these threads go from 15 post threads to 223 post threads he's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys.


-FTFY & if you haven't noticed, criticism is just about all Romo gets here. But hey, it's Fark!

Still a comparison of their two best seasons is not at all compelling if you're trying to make the case that Eli is a superior QB. It's only a 30 yard difference.

Free Radical: He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.


Oh, I know how to play that game, since that's all that really matters. It's called "scoreboarding", correct?

The NY Giants: Four Time Super Bowl Champions (1986, 1990, 2007 & 2011).

The Dallas Cowboys: Five Time Super Bowl Champions (1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995).

amidoinitrite?
 
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