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(NFL)   Eli Manning threw the game winning touchdown pass in this game. It just wasn't to his team, is all   (nfl.com) divider line 232
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2013-09-09 01:13:19 PM

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


It's an NFL thread. Comment on whatever game you wish. You don't need a special headline to do so.
 
2013-09-09 01:13:23 PM
I only saw the second half (work), but DAL had the game well in hand, then started playing soft-zone D around the end of the 3rd. Does anyone ever farking learn? The only thing a prevent D prevents is a win!

Didn't see the Romo injury, but he looked bad to start the 3rd, then perked up all of a sudden.

The funniest thing was listening to Collinsworth say something like "there's very few QBs I'd rather have with 3 minutes to go than Eli", then furiously backpedaling after the INT, practically screaming, "NOT HIS FAULT! NOT HIS FAULT!" as if he yelled loud enough, his earlier statement would magically erase itself. Yea, I know the RB didn't turn around in time, but he was still trying to block, and a QB will get blamed for that every time, whether it's right or wrong.
 
2013-09-09 01:14:54 PM

Dafatone: He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad. But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him



so basically, it was Eli being Eli.  Monster numbers, highlight reel TDs, but INTs.  that's what Eli is.  He'll win a game and lose a game.
 
2013-09-09 01:15:16 PM

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


1:59 eastern
 
2013-09-09 01:17:03 PM

rickythepenguin: Shame Us: I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted.

huh, i didn't see the Sea/Car punch, although i watched most of the game.

did you see Steve Smith destroying that player on that phantom penalty?  Man.  he was LIVID.  and then of course the penalty was reduced from 15 to 5.

it didn't really affect the game so no one is talkign about it, but, it didn't make sense.  the guy voluntarily went OOB (which was the basis for the 5yd penalty) but, he came right back in.  the ref explained it as "the player went OOB and did not directly come back to the field of play" but, on replay, he did.  the explanation didn't match the action.  ehhh.  whatever.

it was i think 5yds then a rekick.  so curious of Steve Smith went back to the guy or if he said fark it.


Yeah, I think the R got bad info from the SJ before making the announcement there. Still a boneheaded penalty to commit when you'd already been called (legitimately) for the 15-yarder on the previous punt.

The punch came after a sack of Wilson and Breno Giacomini (as always) just nudged a CAR DT with his shoulder next to the pile. A little dirty? Yes, but no more than the normal shoving and posturing that happens after plays all the time. Dude just lost it. Turned around and punched him square in the helmet right in front of an official. He got a solid talking to from Steve Smith on hos wau off the field too. Turned a 8-10yd sack into 15 yards and a 1st.
 
2013-09-09 01:18:03 PM
oh, it was "only" STL/ARZ, but, tyrann mathieu went Operation Codename:  Steve Tasker on some Rams dude yesterday.  Rams completed a 20yd pass down the seam, dude had about 20yds for the TD, no one areound him (nice coverage, AZ).  He's trucking to the endzone, Mathieu never gave up, and about 3-4 yards shy, knocked the ball loose, recovered in the endzone by AZ.  touchback baby!

we still lost but that was awesome.

/and in fairness to the Rams guy, he wasn't going Operation Codename:  Leon Lett.he had decent ball security, he just got ran down from behind.
 
2013-09-09 01:18:24 PM

PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.


By to, you mean "three feet behind on a 10-foot route."

bionicjoe: The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.


I gotta feel like refs might start calling it when a CB is literally hanging off of Bryant before the pass gets there on every single play instead of on the one token play they called it this last game.

/I appreciate the Giants' effort, though, since my opponent had Bryant in FFB
//also, 80 of those yards were garbage-time yards
 
2013-09-09 01:18:50 PM

mjbok: He's (usually) great in the clutch.


Well the problem with that is that we think he's great in the "clutch" because we're told to celebrate his successes and absolutely bury his failures. In 2011 he had a great streak of comeback wins, and basically every other year is just... average or below.

For example, last year:

Eli has three 4th quarter "comeback" wins.

vs. Tampa Bay: 3 TD, 3 INT
vs. Washington: 1 TD, 2 INT
vs. Dallas: 0 TD, 1 INT

But they're technically wins, so we say yay, good job Eli! Look at how clutch you are!  Then we look back at the whole season and see, oh right, he also lost 4 games "in the clutch"

vs. DAL: 17-24
vs. PHI: 17-19
vs. PIT: 20-24
vs. WAS: 16-17

And he got blanked 34-0 against the Falcons.


...but nobody talks about them. Nobody. You'd never know it unless you went back to the stats. So when he comes out it's "if you could have anyone in the 4th quarter it'd be Eli."
 
2013-09-09 01:19:21 PM

Treygreen13: Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.

Here are the broadcast maps.
[i.imgur.com image 358x522]

Looks like if there was any game that more than 50% of the country watched, it was Green Bay/San Fran. But it wasn't showing everywhere (map 3).

SNF goes to the whole country.


Well here are some other figures, 33, 29, 88%, 1/3rd, most, 4.29 & a handfull.
 
2013-09-09 01:19:51 PM

Dafatone: But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.


If he threw it to the WR instead of way behind him, then it's probably not intercepted. A good example of one you can't blame a QB for is the one Jermichael Finley dropped to the Niners.

But I suppose you can blame Rodgers for actually expecting Finley to catch a pass given the past few years.
 
2013-09-09 01:21:38 PM

rickythepenguin: Operation Codename:  Steve Tasker on some Rams dude yesterday.


Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.
 
2013-09-09 01:22:27 PM

Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,


I don't know about you, but

i63.photobucket.com

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.
 
2013-09-09 01:22:35 PM

rickythepenguin: Dafatone: He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad. But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him


so basically, it was Eli being Eli.  Monster numbers, highlight reel TDs, but INTs.  that's what Eli is.  He'll win a game and lose a game.


Eli is a bit of a gunslinger, just how he is. Usually he makes up for his mistakes by having a huge 4th quarter and winning. The Giants' inconsistencies are nerve wracking for us Giants fans. But when Eli has won more Super Bowls that 20 NFL teams in their entire history, living with clunker games is bearable.
 
2013-09-09 01:24:35 PM

IAmRight: Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.


well shiat.  i actually stopped to think about that, too.  data bank was like, "white bills dude.....hustle guy....TASKER!"
 
2013-09-09 01:25:04 PM

IAmRight: By to, you mean "three feet behind on a 10-foot route."


Hard to say what was going on there. I don't really hold it against him - not sure what the call was. Sort of like Romo's pass to where the receiver was supposed to be on a read and getting a deflected pass picked down to the 1. Which sort of gets lost here - the Cowboys defense managed to hold off a 1st and 1. Seriously.

Dafatone: Thing is, Eli had a fantastic game last night.  450 yards on 42 attempts is great.  4 TDs.  He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad.  But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.  Wasn't another of the interceptions like that?  I can't remember.


Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot in this game and the Cowboys lost a 36-31 game after Tony Romo threw 3 INTs and 4 TDs for 450 yards? Would we say the same thing about Tony?

Spoiler alert: no.
 
2013-09-09 01:26:13 PM

bionicjoe: Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA, 1 INT

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

, 3 INT

All this comparison says to me is that Dallas finally has some semblance of a run game (please stay healthy, DeMarco Murray). Oh and you left off a bit, I'll add it in for you.
 
2013-09-09 01:26:58 PM

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


Well basically anything is an improvement from last year's Saints D, so I bet you are. Rob is probably just getting more experienced coaching defenses where everyone is on the IR.
 
2013-09-09 01:28:20 PM

yumpizza: . But when Eli has won more Super Bowls that 20 NFL teams in their entire history, living with clunker games is bearable.


yup.  like i said, he has the ice so fair play to eli.  but yeah, i understand how you'll take the good with the bad.

i'm not saying Eli is Jake Plummer, but that was what we had back in the day.  he'd hvae Bad Jake games where we'd be pulling our hair out, and then he'd, you know, throw 2TDs and run for 1 in the 4th quarter to win, and we'd love the guy.

(on that note, he was on a local show just a few days ago and he said, only half joking, he was born ten years too early.  to paraphrase, he was wondeirng how differrently his career would have been in the "read option" era.  he said he was in systems where he was trained to be a pocket passer when arguably his talents would have been far more suited to the read option.  interesting.)
 
2013-09-09 01:29:52 PM

Treygreen13: Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot in this game and the Cowboys lost a 36-31 game after Tony Romo threw 3 INTs and 4 TDs for 450 yards? Would we say the same thing about Tony?


absolutely.  i was gonna say that.  Eli goes Eli, and it is, "welp, one bounced off a player, one was a heads up defensive play, what are you gonna do?", but when Romo goes Romo, no one can STFU about how awful he is.

the power of two rings, i guess.
 
2013-09-09 01:31:56 PM

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but



I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.
 
2013-09-09 01:33:20 PM

Treygreen13: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

Well basically anything is an improvement from last year's Saints D, so I bet you are. Rob is probably just getting more experienced coaching defenses where everyone is on the IR.


Oh, he's well talented at it at this point, lol.  And yeah, hearing Mike Smith say "that was not the 2012 defense" in his postgame presser was wonderful.
 
2013-09-09 01:35:47 PM

Slow To Return: I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.


I think most of Rob's problems in Dallas were based around the fact that his exotic blitz packages and schemes were difficult for replacement guys to pick up when the Cowboys defense started dropping like flies.
 
2013-09-09 01:37:10 PM

Slow To Return: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.


Generally enjoying the look of ex-Cowboy coaches in the Superdome, heh.

/not that they fired Payton, but
 
2013-09-09 01:38:48 PM
robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

i didn't rrrrrrrrrrrrreally watch anything yesterday so i don't know if someone had a worse day.  i mean, i watched SEA/CAR, a little of Giants/Whatevers, and then they gave us the tail end of Jets/Chiefs, where i saw that moronic penalty live, and then i half assedly watched a little of SNF.


over /unders were interesting. i didn't get to make my picks but, Patriots "only" by 3 on a spread i think 9.5 was interesting, spesh with all the drama Rough Buff had at QB.  i would have taken AZ (+4.5) too;  we should have won that, period.  I think a 12 point lead we blew in the 4th.  just let 'em back in.  Packers/49ers would have gone my way too.

i need to reup TF so i can in the NFL thread early.  by the time i got back from church the thread was like,, 1100 posts already.
 
2013-09-09 01:39:23 PM

rickythepenguin: jake is eli


"finkle is einhorn!  einhorn is finkle!  finkle is einhorn!"

/obcure?
 
2013-09-09 01:42:10 PM

rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?


Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.
 
2013-09-09 01:45:43 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.


THEY LET HIM THROW THREE TIMES?!
 
2013-09-09 01:46:17 PM

rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?


Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.
 
2013-09-09 01:46:18 PM

thecpt: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.

THEY LET HIM THROW THREE TIMES?!


Well, it's Ponder, so they let him "throw" three times, yeah.
 
2013-09-09 01:47:43 PM

robsul82: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.


I'm only seeing 3 INT, 1 FUM. Is there another turnover I'm missing? Maybe one of those really weird ones?
 
2013-09-09 01:47:45 PM

Treygreen13: Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.


oh duh.

well tonight.....Wash -3.5 (52).....hmmm.....I'm gonna pick PHI with the upset and the over.  3.5 in week one is basically "i dunno!" so i'll just say PHI because.

HOU @ SD, Hou -4 (44).....HOU outright.  why not?  no one knows anything about the first two weeks, arguably 3.

/Thursday nights Jets @ Pats?  -13, -14 so far.  mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.
 
2013-09-09 01:48:19 PM

rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.


It's a division game. All bets are off.
 
2013-09-09 01:49:08 PM

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


You won't for long.  His D scheme is 'blitz everyone', and blame media and fans when it does not work.
 
2013-09-09 01:49:35 PM

robsul82: Ponder had 5 turnovers. Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.



ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

(but i'm not that guy that said you palyed favorites or whatever he said in that one thread.)
 
2013-09-09 01:51:26 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.

It's a division game. All bets are off.


This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.
 
2013-09-09 01:52:09 PM

Treygreen13: robsul82: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.

I'm only seeing 3 INT, 1 FUM. Is there another turnover I'm missing? Maybe one of those really weird ones?


Yesterday the ESPN box score had him at 3 INT, 2 FUM, now they've changed it.  Well, 66.7 is still good enough for the lead, only now it's very reachable...and you know who is playing tonight.  And when he plays on Mondays, HISTORY HAPPENS, hahaha.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

You won't for long.  His D scheme is 'blitz everyone', and blame media and fans when it does not work.


Well, I'm just thinking positive for now, trying not to think about how it ended elsewhere.
 
2013-09-09 01:53:04 PM

Di Atribe: All this comparison says to me is that Dallas finally has some semblance of a run game


Semblance?  With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.  They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.  They don't have a lot of faith in their run game, and it shows.

One game sample, I know.  But even when they had a good lead, they still kept throwing.  A lot.
 
2013-09-09 01:53:38 PM

rickythepenguin: robsul82: Ponder had 5 turnovers. Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.


ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

(but i'm not that guy that said you palyed favorites or whatever he said in that one thread.)


Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.
 
2013-09-09 01:54:04 PM

Dafatone: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.

It's a division game. All bets are off.

This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.



Naaaaa, Pats almost fell into the trap game.  They were looking ahead to Thursday ngith's game.  Trap game.  What are you gonna do?  Trap game, that's all.  That game had trap written all over it.  Trap game.  That's all.  Classic trap game.
 
2013-09-09 01:54:32 PM

Khellendros: One game sample, I know. But even when they had a good lead, they still kept throwing. A lot.


Where's the Romo flowchart when you need it....
 
2013-09-09 01:54:39 PM

rickythepenguin: ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.


Well, the importance of the game does matter when turnovers are equal.

Dafatone: This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.


Indeed. And a division game in Week 1? I'd rather have a coin flip.

robsul82: And when he plays on Mondays, HISTORY HAPPENS, hahaha.


I sure hope so. Starting that Texans D tonight.
 
2013-09-09 01:56:40 PM

robsul82: Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.


If it had been a tie, Manning should've gotten it for the whole pick-six to clinch the game PLUS the fact that his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew a few days earlier and threw 7 TDs with 0 INTs.

But Ponder is what Ponder is.
 
2013-09-09 01:56:49 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

Well, the importance of the game does matter when turnovers are equal.


True, in the event of a tie, everything comes on the table.
 
2013-09-09 01:57:22 PM
I'm a Vikings fan so I'm really getting a... [sob] nevermind.
 
2013-09-09 01:58:33 PM

IAmRight: robsul82: Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.

If it had been a tie, Manning should've gotten it for the whole pick-six to clinch the game PLUS the fact that his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew a few days earlier and threw 7 TDs with 0 INTs.


Would've been poetic, alas.
 
2013-09-09 02:02:04 PM

IAmRight: his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew


speaking of brothers and broadcasting, Ronde Barber had a predictably shaky first game in the booth for ARZ/STL.  he fumble the telestrator a few times and I heard him say "Larry Johnson" twice (because, you know, Larry Fitzgerald isn't an NFL icon or anything).  he was ok overall but that was annoying.

(paper had a neat tidbit about cards coach Bruce ARians and Ronde;  i guess in the 80s or whatever, ARians either played with or coached Tiki and Ronde's father, and the ARians and Barber families lived in the same campus apartments. so, back in the day, the ARians family used to babysit Tiki and Ronde.  who knew all three would end up in teh NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE?)
 
2013-09-09 02:03:34 PM

rickythepenguin: Naaaaa, Pats almost fell into the trap game.  They were looking ahead to Thursday ngith's game.  Trap game.  What are you gonna do?  Trap game, that's all.  That game had trap written all over it.  Trap game.  That's all.  Classic trap game


rickbakas.com
 
2013-09-09 02:04:36 PM

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


I'm not much of a fan of Saints fans, Farkers excepted.  They're whole 'WHO DAT?' thing is close to being as annoying as the obsolete 'America's Team' noise.  (If the Cowboys history is indicative of the Saints future, that might eventually become as much of a burden.)  Still, I don't hate the team.

But seeing that fat fuzzy turd wallowing on the sidelines made me want the goddam wouldn't-piss-on-them-if-they-were-on-fire Falcons to win.
 
2013-09-09 02:11:25 PM

Khellendros: With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.


Currently Demarco Murray sits at 5th in rushing attempts, and put in the 4th most yards of all RBs to play so far.

Khellendros: They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.


Well part of that was unfortunate penalties. For example, first drive:

1st and 10: Murray for 3
2nd and 7: 5 yard penalty
3rd and 12: Pass


3rd drive:
1st and 10: Murray for 11
1st and 10: Murray for 7
2nd and 3: Romo to Austin for 8 (10 yard penalty)
1st and 18: Pass for 7
2nd and 11: Incomplete pass
3rd and 11: 14 yards to Witten


Also, it's easy to forget Demarco Murray caught 8 passes, putting his personal contribution to the game at 28 plays.
 
2013-09-09 02:13:55 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

I'm not much of a fan of Saints fans, Farkers excepted.  They're whole 'WHO DAT?' thing is close to being as annoying as the obsolete 'America's Team' noise.  (If the Cowboys history is indicative of the Saints future, that might eventually become as much of a burden.)  Still, I don't hate the team.

But seeing that fat fuzzy turd wallowing on the sidelines made me want the goddam wouldn't-piss-on-them-if-they-were-on-fire Falcons to win.


Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.
 
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