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2013-09-09 12:06:24 PM

IanMoone: cheezitmojo: Still ended with more fantasy points than either Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford (in my league, anyway).

Heck in one of the Fark leagues Eli battered Romo by almost 100%


That's funny!
 
2013-09-09 12:14:01 PM

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


Did you submit any?
 
2013-09-09 12:14:48 PM
I am cautiously optimistic about what last night's game might mean for the Cowboy's season. The O-line seemed improved, Smith is a beast of a man. The running game was solid and an effective part of the strategy - even into the 4th quarter! Romo and Austin looked sharp, as always whitten, would like Bryant to get more looks, if anything to keep his head in the game.

Defense looked re-energized, secondary went to sleep some. stopping the big play still a problem but they did get the stop when they needed it.

should be a fun season.
 
2013-09-09 12:16:35 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: would like Bryant to get more looks


Bryant was getting a lot of attention from the defense and seemingly any time the ball came his way he was wearing a CB like a cape.
 
2013-09-09 12:18:52 PM

Klivian: Eagles switched to a 3-4 and don't have the personnel to run it. They will get run all over without a run stuffing nose tackle. Time of possession will rapidly get out of hand and the defense will get more and more gassed later in games, meaning the entire defense will be torn apart.

Receivers are also a question, Desean Jackson is the only playmaker on the outside, and isn't a 100 catch type. If Avant can emerge as an actual threat on the outside instead of just the good hands guy he is now, it'll help, but it's unlikely.


Eagles don't have the personnel to run any sort of defense.  Avant is 30, he is what he is at this point.

The O Line is monstrous though when healthy.  Hurry up or not they should be able to sustain some drives on offense since Chip likes to run and they're going to use a lot of tight ends since as you point out they don't have receivers anyway.
 
2013-09-09 12:19:13 PM

ShadowKamui: Also I would add the Browns to the list of fail teams


Cleveland is the charter member of the Fail List.  It doesn't need to be added because it never leaves.

Yanks_RSJ: I considered it highly likely, based on the game's momentum and several recent examples of Eli Manning rallying the Giants despite a shiatty game to win on the last drive. It's happened quite a few times, especially in Dallas.


Plus, you never know when a Lavonte David is going to lurch into view and lose a won game.
 
2013-09-09 12:23:18 PM

rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time. You should check it out sometime. It can be kinda cool.


I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.
 
2013-09-09 12:28:19 PM

Di Atribe: Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

/shameless repost

Seriously, what the fark does this even mean? It doesn't make any sense.

And also, I'm seeing a lot of "Yeah, without those 6 turnovers, the Cowboys don't win the game" bullshiat this morning. Uh.... well, yeah. And without those 4 touchdowns, the Cowboys don't win the game, either.


Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.

^^^ This is the correct thing to say. ^^^ They were close and for a goddamn change for once in their lives, the Dallas defense stepped up. And I was just as surprised as anyone.


My observations from last night are these:

Romo played like an elite quarterback with really no major mistakes (like trying to pitch it to Choice to avoid a sack) other than the 19yard loss from two consecutive sacks.

The game was closer than it should have been because Williams had grease hands and also started to worry about a hit before getting full control of the ball. The latter being a rookie mistake. It was also closer because it took too long to get the running game together properly.

The offical's reenactment of the Weatherford attempt to draw a penalty is still hilarious to me.
 
2013-09-09 12:28:20 PM

Treygreen13: TrainingWheelsNeeded: would like Bryant to get more looks

Bryant was getting a lot of attention from the defense and seemingly any time the ball came his way he was wearing a CB like a cape.


Bryant is bracket covered the whole game and Romo is left with only Witten and Austin cuz the other WRs dropped passed when they were wide open. Can we have Ogletree back? I don't even know how much TB offered him.
 
2013-09-09 12:29:11 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: thecpt: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

Because everyone saw this game.

Not people in Milwaukee. NBC and TWC are having a lover's quarrel over how to split up our money here - so no NBC football for us (missed the opener, and Sunday night game). Jackasses.


People in Milwaukee would just need to get out their rabbit ears and get NBC over the local signal.  It's a pain in the butt I know, but it does work, even in HD.  If they don't have rabbit ear antennas, get their kids to stand holding the coax cable plugged into the antenna input.  Kids make great antennas...
 
2013-09-09 12:29:51 PM
Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.
 
2013-09-09 12:31:55 PM
As an unbiased observer, the highlight of last night's game was Jason Witten puke-videobombing "ROMO RIBWATCH 2013".
 
2013-09-09 12:33:20 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: I am cautiously optimistic about what last night's game might mean for the Cowboy's season



Oh how I love you, overreaction Monday!

But i understand.  i'm guilty of it too.  I saw some things out of Arizona that make me feel really good.  Palmer, for all the shiat I've said about him, was remarkably accurate.  Mendenhall showed a north-south running style we haven't seen in years (is beanie "fall down before you get hit" wells even on a roster?).

but i try not to fall in love with anybody, or throw dirt on the grave, until the 4th week.  i mean hell, not that people are putting Geno Smith in Canton or the Jets in the Super Bowl, but can you imagine the mock furor if that Chiefs dude hadn't committed on ethe more egregiously stupid penalties yesterday?  Yeah, Suh is getting fined, the whoel 49ers/Packers mess, but, the Jets LOSE that game but for the penalty.  that game was in the books.  that woudl have been a 63, count 'em, 63 yard attempt with i think 3 seconds left (the Jets had to kick off after the 48 yarder, to burn 2-3 seconds) but for that penalty.  anyways, my point is you can't take too much away from one game, either way.
 
2013-09-09 12:33:32 PM

Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


Here are the broadcast maps.
i.imgur.com

Looks like if there was any game that more than 50% of the country watched, it was Green Bay/San Fran. But it wasn't showing everywhere (map 3).

SNF goes to the whole country.
 
2013-09-09 12:34:05 PM
Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.
 
2013-09-09 12:34:49 PM

czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.


Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:41 PM
Oh noes! Giants are losing, time to fake some injuries to slow the game down! Nice to see some horrendous butthurt ONE game into the season guys, I hope that for your emotional well being things go better for you as the season goes on.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:48 PM

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


I'm surprised too. Maybe if it involved the Seahawks we'd hear about it.
 
2013-09-09 12:36:05 PM

Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


1) i didn't say that

2) you misread my post;  it is the only game televised at that time slot.  regional markets get different games.  phoenix had Seahawks/Panthers and Bears/Whatevers yesterday.  Your market probably got a different 10AM/1PM matchup.  But everybody (well, except in Milwaukee) gets the SNF game.  that's my point.
 
2013-09-09 12:37:00 PM

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


Why? Just so people can say the 9ers would've won anyways?

Yesterday's thread went potato
 
2013-09-09 12:37:04 PM

JohnBigBootay: czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.

Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.


As a Bengals fan, this makes me happy. But, as a Bengals fan I know that means we're going to struggle to get to the QB because Marvin Lewis will make sure to not pressure Ben or Blitz.
 
2013-09-09 12:43:25 PM

Treygreen13: Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.

I'm surprised too. Maybe if it involved the Seahawks we'd hear about it.


I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.
 
2013-09-09 12:43:55 PM

Treygreen13: (map 3).


bizarre that a little pocket of West By God Virginia got Rams/Cards!

JohnBigBootay: Their offensive line is just reprehensible


i didn't see the play, but as described on the radio today, that rookie that dove into Pouncey, he was basically attempting a chop block as the defensive player was engaged with Pouncey.  they were saying, one, had he succeded on the blcok, that woudl hvae been flagged for chop block, but two, he missed the defensive player by "two feet" and destroyed Pouncey's knee.  so aside from the flag aspect, it was incompetence.  Ron Wolfley (former Cardinal, current radio host) was like, "folks, i'm not kidding, I seriously wonder if his eyes were even open.  How could you miss that badly?  I gotta wonder, rookie, first game jitters, i wonder if his eyes were closed.  there's no other explanation for what happened."
 
2013-09-09 12:45:43 PM

rickythepenguin: 2) you misread my post; it is the only game televised at that time slot. regional markets get different games. phoenix had Seahawks/Panthers and Bears/Whatevers yesterday. Your market probably got a different 10AM/1PM matchup. But everybody (well, except in Milwaukee) gets the SNF game. that's my point.


My point is that my entire weekend revolves around football, as I'm sure most everyone else's does.

My market is Dallas, TX, by the way, so it's great that everyone walks to talk Cowboys.  But I'm not just a Cowboys fan, I'm also an NFL fan.  So some talk about other, better games, would be welcome as well.
 
2013-09-09 12:46:46 PM

Slow To Return: So some talk about other, better games, would be welcome as well.


I don't know any better game than watching Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way to his 2nd straight opening week loss to the Cowboys.
 
2013-09-09 12:48:41 PM

Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.


It was WAY closer than it ever should've been. 
SIX turnovers. SIX! 
And the Giants were starting a game-winning drive with 2:30 left, all timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Had either offense been competent it would've been a 30 point win.

Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

I watched Carson Palmer and Marvin Lewis for 8 years. I know a thing or two about incompetent 'big yardage' offenses that only win when the other team gives the game away. 
The Giants won't turn the ball over like that again for 20 years. The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.

/but the offense/defense have improved
//no really
///three slashies swear
 
2013-09-09 12:49:00 PM

revman64: People in Milwaukee would just need to get out their rabbit ears and get NBC over the local signal.


Yeah - TWC did say they'd give out the rabbit ears (I of course learned about this last night) - and really, a SNF game involving teams I'm not really interested in wasn't worth the effort. It just torques me off that spending $$$/mo and you can't get basic network signals. I'm guessing this weekends 2 lost football games will result in an end to the standoff though (and whatever college was lost Saturday) - that or the first time the Packers get flexed to the game of the week.
 
2013-09-09 12:50:17 PM

Treygreen13: Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way


he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible.  he can be terrible.  i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games.  i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say.  definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs.  he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

but godammit if come December, he doesn't pull a 3-game streak out of his ass to make the playoffs.  AGAIN.
 
2013-09-09 12:50:42 PM

Slow To Return: rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time. You should check it out sometime. It can be kinda cool.

I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.
 
2013-09-09 12:51:36 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: As a Bengals fan, this makes me happy. But, as a Bengals fan I know that means we're going to struggle to get to the QB because Marvin Lewis will make sure to not pressure Ben or Blitz.


THIS
The Steelers rarely put together 2 bad seasons, nor two bad games. 
The Bengals have gone to the playoffs consecutively for the first time in 20 years. And the sheer brilliance of blowing two timeouts & then giving up the TD on the next play just speaks to that.
 
2013-09-09 12:53:41 PM

LucklessWonder: I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.


In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game, and an even better 49ers/Packers game to tide me over.
 
2013-09-09 12:54:30 PM
That's ok, no one expects Eli to live up to the unstoppable force that was Andrew Luck's week 1 performance
 
2013-09-09 12:55:44 PM

Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.


Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.
 
2013-09-09 12:56:53 PM

JohnBigBootay: czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.

Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.


This. Plus we lost Pouncy for the year. Ben will be lucky to get to the by-week.
 
2013-09-09 12:57:29 PM

rickythepenguin: but can you imagine the mock furor if that Chiefs dude hadn't committed on ethe more egregiously stupid penalties yesterday


memo to me, from me, through me

dear me:

they both wear red, but the tampa bay bucs are not the chiefs.  got it?  if you have any questions, see me.

respectfully,
me
 
2013-09-09 12:58:31 PM

natural316: In other news, buffalo channeled their inner buffalo yesterday


There were 80 games last year with a greater than 40 point difference in QB rating. All 80 teams on the low end lost.
Yesterday the Bills lost what was unloseable in 2012.

IT IS A NEW ERA!
 
2013-09-09 12:58:38 PM

rickythepenguin: he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible. he can be terrible. i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games. i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say. definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs. he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.


Collinsworth (of all people) said it best.  He's (usually) great in the clutch.  He's a better QB in the last 5 minutes of a game then he is in the rest.  Maybe, just maybe, a good coach would recognize this and have him run the hurry-up offense all game.  Peyton kind of does, so maybe his slower brother could too?
 
2013-09-09 01:00:20 PM

bionicjoe: Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.

It was WAY closer than it ever should've been. 
SIX turnovers. SIX! 
And the Giants were starting a game-winning drive with 2:30 left, all timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Had either offense been competent it would've been a 30 point win.

Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

I watched Carson Palmer and Marvin Lewis for 8 years. I know a thing or two about incompetent 'big yardage' offenses that only win when the other team gives the game away. 
The Giants won't turn the ball over like that again for 20 years. The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.

/but the offense/defense have improved
//no really
///three slashies swear


It's hard to do what the fans want sometimes. If they go out there and throw it all over the place people whine about a risky offense, and when they play it safe the crowd whines about how they only barely won.

The Cowboys didn't look sharp on offense, I agree. But it's not like they went out and stumbled to a 12-6 win. The offense scored 23 points, which would have been enough to win 9 other games this week.
 
2013-09-09 01:00:24 PM

Slow To Return: LucklessWonder: I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.

In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game, and an even better 49ers/Packers game to tide me over.


Was suckered into yard/car work (as my beloved Redskins play tonight, I figured "where's the harm?"). Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.
 
2013-09-09 01:03:05 PM

mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.


Yeah.  The refs blew the call.  But it's hard for me as a Niners fan to be all that sympathetic to a mistake stemming from the Niners' response to Matthews' play there.
 
2013-09-09 01:04:13 PM

mjbok: He's (usually) great in the clutch.


except when he's not.  that's the problem with him.  he has obviously come through in the clutch but not always, and beyond that, his terrible play early is sometimes why he's in the clutch situation.


LucklessWonder: Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.


i didn't watch a hwole lot of SNF.  i don't know what it was, but i was football'd out.  as much as i love football and craved the season to begin, i had no interest in the game.  saw maybe 10-15 minutes and i wsa barely paying attention.
 
2013-09-09 01:05:49 PM

LucklessWonder: Was suckered into yard/car work (as my beloved Redskins play tonight, I figured "where's the harm?"). Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.


After watching the Saints/Falcons game, I couldn't help but have BountyGate on my mind while watching the 49ers/Packers.  It was crazy.
 
2013-09-09 01:06:39 PM

mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.


Full disclosure: I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan so take this for what it's worth - the entire 2nd half of the game last years was f*cked and each team was gifted a TD, with GBs coming at the hands of a drive that included multiple flags left in pockets on obvious holding and a GB 3rd down failure on which a phantom PI penalty was called to extend the drive. The last legitimate score of that game was 7-6 to the Seahawks at the half. I don't think I've ever seen an officiating crew Jekyll & Hyde it so badly in a game.

FWIW, I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted. It was a flat-out dirty play all-around from Matthews. I'm frankly surprised no one put him in his place afterward. I expected some targeted downfield blocking or blatant crack-back blocking from SF. I guess the scoreboard will have to do the talking.
 
2013-09-09 01:07:45 PM

Dafatone: But it's hard for me as a Niners fan to be all that sympathetic to a mistake stemming from the Niners' response to Matthews' play there


you could say STaley escalated it, but it looked to me like Matthews threw a punch.  two PFs in the space of 10 seconds should have been an ejection, in my opinion.  especially since, as noted above, the Packers (if not Clay specifically) had said just days ago, hitting Kaep was their strategy.  he was well OOB when that happened.  obviously he'll be fined, curious how much.  pretty sure the NFL doesn't want a marquee "face" getting hit like that.
 
2013-09-09 01:10:18 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way

he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible.  he can be terrible.  i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games.  i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say.  definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs.  he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

but godammit if come December, he doesn't pull a 3-game streak out of his ass to make the playoffs.  AGAIN.


Thing is, Eli had a fantastic game last night.  450 yards on 42 attempts is great.  4 TDs.  He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad.  But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.  Wasn't another of the interceptions like that?  I can't remember.

So you knock that one off the board and you're looking at 27/42, 450 yards, 4 tds, 2 ints.  More ints than you'd like, but still really good.  And he did that with zero running game.
 
2013-09-09 01:11:53 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Eagles need a better QB, period. I am not up to date on what their other ills are right now.


Actually, given both the offensive line and the multi-faceted (read: it has a real running game, and involves more than screen-passes and 15-yard throws on 3rd-and-2) offense they'll be running, both Vick and Foles should be fine. Not "set-the-world-on-fire" great, but more than "game-managing serviceable".

Their biggest problem is the secondary. Seriously, putting pylons out in the safety and corner slots might be just as effective as the personnel there. Perhaps more, because at least the pylons won't ever be out of position.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:12 PM

rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time.  You should check it out sometime.  It can be kinda cool.


It can't be that cool if the Cowboys get 3 of the first 10 games (before the flex schedules start). At least the 49ers (who get two games) made the playoffs last year.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:22 PM

Shame Us: mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.

Full disclosure: I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan so take this for what it's worth - the entire 2nd half of the game last years was f*cked and each team was gifted a TD, with GBs coming at the hands of a drive that included multiple flags left in pockets on obvious holding and a GB 3rd down failure on which a phantom PI penalty was called to extend the drive. The last legitimate score of that game was 7-6 to the Seahawks at the half. I don't think I've ever seen an officiating crew Jekyll & Hyde it so badly in a game.

FWIW, I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted. It was a flat-out dirty play all-around from Matthews. I'm frankly surprised no one put him in his place afterward. I expected some targeted downfield blocking or blatant crack-back blocking from SF. I guess the scoreboard will have to do the talking.


They nailed clay later with a pulling guard on a fake boot. And there was the no call later with Davis tripping him. And yes, that's a legitimate place to call tripping. You can't hold someone by thier leg.

I thought it was great officiating except the brain fart blunder. The sea game last year was just a tough game literally ruined by poor officiating.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:35 PM

Shame Us: I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted.


huh, i didn't see the Sea/Car punch, although i watched most of the game.

did you see Steve Smith destroying that player on that phantom penalty?  Man.  he was LIVID.  and then of course the penalty was reduced from 15 to 5.

it didn't really affect the game so no one is talkign about it, but, it didn't make sense.  the guy voluntarily went OOB (which was the basis for the 5yd penalty) but, he came right back in.  the ref explained it as "the player went OOB and did not directly come back to the field of play" but, on replay, he did.  the explanation didn't match the action.  ehhh.  whatever.

it was i think 5yds then a rekick.  so curious of Steve Smith went back to the guy or if he said fark it.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:35 PM

mjbok: rickythepenguin: he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible. he can be terrible. i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games. i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say. definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs. he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

Collinsworth (of all people) said it best.  He's (usually) great in the clutch.  He's a better QB in the last 5 minutes of a game then he is in the rest.  Maybe, just maybe, a good coach would recognize this and have him run the hurry-up offense all game.  Peyton kind of does, so maybe his slower brother could too?


Almost every QB looks better in a hurry up offense, which is why it's so popular in college/HS (together with the spread offense). Less time for defense to substitute players (especially the front 4), less time to call plays and adjust at the line and the defense overall put a lot more effort. Almost every player runs to the ball carrier every single play while the offense regroups and sets up for the next play.

When the Cowboys did it the Giants had to start faking injuries. NFL really has to come down hard on teams that do that time and time again.
 
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