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(NFL)   Eli Manning threw the game winning touchdown pass in this game. It just wasn't to his team, is all   (nfl.com ) divider line
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2013-09-09 10:19:04 AM  
Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.
 
2013-09-09 10:20:19 AM  
That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.
 
2013-09-09 10:25:02 AM  

RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.


the blown coverage on the 1st half Cruz TD was a big part of that. they were doing a good job on the Giants until then
 
2013-09-09 10:31:41 AM  
Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.
 
2013-09-09 10:34:47 AM  

RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.


That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.
 
2013-09-09 10:36:12 AM  
Dallas won, but exposed their running back and secondary weaknesses.  At least 1/2 of those turnovers were unforced flukes that just happened to bounce the Cowboy's way last night.  I know in the NFL it goes down as an in-conference win but there's plenty to worry the Cowboy faithful given barely hanging on after 6 turnovers.  Week 1 there was some very sloppy play all over the league.  It almost looked like a Week 2 preseason week for a bunch of teams.
 
2013-09-09 10:40:55 AM  

Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.


How can you say it was garbage time when the Giants had the ball for the game-winning drive before that fortunate bounce?  The last TD for the Giants was the only real possible garbage-time score and the onside kick almost worked so even that is in question.
 
2013-09-09 10:42:10 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.


I basically watched last night's game with this little voice in my head going "why couldn't the Giants play this careless against us??" over and over again.
 
2013-09-09 10:43:35 AM  

revman64: Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.

How can you say it was garbage time when the Giants had the ball for the game-winning drive before that fortunate bounce?  The last TD for the Giants was the only real possible garbage-time score and the onside kick almost worked so even that is in question.


It's a double reverse Cris Collinsworth (Mr. "2 more scores and they're right back in this thing")
 
2013-09-09 10:43:43 AM  

Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.


When one team has the ball at midfield with 2 minutes left trailing by 6 points, it is an extremely close game.  Suggesting otherwise is, in a word, dumb.
 
2013-09-09 10:44:01 AM  

AnEvilGuest: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

the blown coverage on the 1st half Cruz TD was a big part of that. they were doing a good job on the Giants until then


Yeah, the Dallas defense had been doing a great job until that play.  However, by that point, the Dallas offense had taken the 2 interceptions and the fumble and turned them into 3 points.  Not good.
 
2013-09-09 10:46:56 AM  
To be fair, if you get paid to catch balls for a living and a quarterback throws a pass to you which hits you in your hands and which you then subsequently flop into the (much more competent) hands of the other team, the interception and ensuing pick six really isn't the quarterback's fault.  Its yours.
 
2013-09-09 10:49:44 AM  
Just an awful game by the Gints.  I wouldn't be too happy as a Dallas fan, though.  That many turnovers?  Game should have been over by the 4th quarter, if not earlier.
 
2013-09-09 10:50:03 AM  

Prevailing Wind: To be fair, if you get paid to catch balls for a living and a quarterback throws a pass to you which hits you in your hands and which you then subsequently flop into the (much more competent) hands of the other team, the interception and ensuing pick six really isn't the quarterback's fault.  Its yours.


Hey mr. Rodgers.
 
2013-09-09 10:50:32 AM  

Killer Cars: Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.

I basically watched last night's game with this little voice in my head going "why couldn't the Giants play this careless against us??" over and over again.


Well, it wasn't for lack of effort.  If you recall, in 42 the Pats got a deflected INT while the Giants were in the red zone, plus the infamous Asante Samuel non INT.

And if memory serves, Ahmad Bradshaw put the ball on the ground in both Super Bowls, but the Giants recovered both.
 
2013-09-09 10:50:44 AM  

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2013-09-09 10:52:04 AM  
I'm a big Dallas fan, but thought we'd get blown out in this game.  We're starting two or three guys as starters on the lines that were out of football last year, huge injury problems, coming back from an off season where we made offensive play calling changes, and changing our entire defensive scheme to 4-3 (and not picking up the talent to actually make the change effectively).  If someone predicted a 20 point loss, it wouldn't have surprised me.

But it seems the Giants had their own problems.  Didn't realize they came in so damaged.  Even with that, it looked like two very bad teams failing at each other.  Three turnovers in the first quarter, and only 3 points from them?  Dallas wins, but gives up over 500 yard of offense?  We lead the entire game, but throw the ball 49 times?

This does bode well as as start for either team.  Dallas gets six turnovers (+5 on the day), but still fighting late in the fourth quarter to hold onto a lead at home, and the Giants were moving the ball at will.  Their defense tired badly in a game with very unbalanced time of possession (a full 15 minutes favoring Dallas).  All very, very bad indicators.

But they did get the win.
 
2013-09-09 10:52:35 AM  
Trying to decide if it makes sense to pick up Dallas' defense for next week.  All the top defenses are taken in my league so I'm just going to drop and add based on who plays the Jets or Jaguars and the like.  Obviously 20+ points from a defense aren't sustainable but hopefully they get at least a few turnovers a week.
 
2013-09-09 10:56:27 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

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Stupid joke is stupid.

I mean, at least Eli wins Superbowls. To Cowboy's fans of this generation, the "playoffs" are a mythical creature (like the unicorn and the chupacabra), much less this "Superbowl" thing people keep blabbering on about.
 
2013-09-09 10:57:43 AM  

Khellendros: I'm a big Dallas fan, but thought we'd get blown out in this game.  We're starting two or three guys as starters on the lines that were out of football last year, huge injury problems, coming back from an off season where we made offensive play calling changes, and changing our entire defensive scheme to 4-3 (and not picking up the talent to actually make the change effectively).  If someone predicted a 20 point loss, it wouldn't have surprised me.

But it seems the Giants had their own problems.  Didn't realize they came in so damaged.  Even with that, it looked like two very bad teams failing at each other.  Three turnovers in the first quarter, and only 3 points from them?  Dallas wins, but gives up over 500 yard of offense?  We lead the entire game, but throw the ball 49 times?

This does bode well as as start for either team.  Dallas gets six turnovers (+5 on the day), but still fighting late in the fourth quarter to hold onto a lead at home, and the Giants were moving the ball at will.  Their defense tired badly in a game with very unbalanced time of possession (a full 15 minutes favoring Dallas).  All very, very bad indicators.

But they did get the win.


Here in Minnesota we call that "Out Lioning the Lions". Feel free to adjust as needed for your division.
 
2013-09-09 10:58:39 AM  
Cowboys saved what was a dreadful sports weekend for me...Ranger can't hit their way out of a paper bag and someone stole the Longhorn defense and replaced them with the Tarrant County College Flag badmitton team.
 
2013-09-09 11:00:19 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

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Stupid joke is stupid.

I mean, at least Eli's team wins Superbowls. To Cowboy's fans of this generation, the "playoffs" are a mythical creature (like the unicorn and the chupacabra), much less this "Superbowl" thing people keep blabbering on about.


FTFY

QBs don't win games. Teams do.
 
2013-09-09 11:10:50 AM  
It was more of a pass from the RB to the Cowboys, seeing as he didn't turn around in time and volleyballed it over to the defense while flailing for it.

/Giants fan
//Both teams look pretty bad
 
2013-09-09 11:12:12 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

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Seriously, what the fark does this even mean? It doesn't make any sense.

And also, I'm seeing a lot of "Yeah, without those 6 turnovers, the Cowboys don't win the game" bullshiat this morning. Uh.... well, yeah. And without those 4 touchdowns, the Cowboys don't win the game, either.


Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.


^^^ This is the correct thing to say. ^^^ They were close and for a goddamn change for once in their lives, the Dallas defense stepped up. And I was just as surprised as anyone.
 
2013-09-09 11:13:37 AM  
Last few years, if the Cowboys were up against a team by 2 scores in the 4th quarter they would most likely lose. Thus, this win is not as bad as some people make it seem. The Giants front four are till in the top 3 in the leauge and they shut down the running game of the Cowboys early in the game.

And as I've said previously, in football today you cannot stop the hurry up offense. The Giants' only way to stop it was to fake injuries and the Cowboys weren't even smart enough to try that. Even if you don't run it for a whole game, it is the best weapon an offense has in today's game where half the people getting paid a ton of money are either on the injury list or on the bench getting looked over.
 
2013-09-09 11:14:57 AM  

redmid17: Jim from Saint Paul: Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

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Stupid joke is stupid.

I mean, at least Eli's team wins Superbowls. To Cowboy's fans of this generation, the "playoffs" are a mythical creature (like the unicorn and the chupacabra), much less this "Superbowl" thing people keep blabbering on about.

FTFY

QBs don't win games. Teams do.


The joke was comparing Eli Manning to Tony Romo. Debating the value of a QB Vs The-rest-of-the-team, is irrelevant. Comparing a guy who has won 2 SB's (against Darth Vader and Co even) to a guy with one playoff win is inaccurate enough that the joke is dumb.
 
2013-09-09 11:19:23 AM  
I like the turnover stat about Eli they brought up during the game.
 
2013-09-09 11:21:21 AM  
In other news, buffalo channeled their inner buffalo yesterday
 
2013-09-09 11:26:23 AM  
Giants RB situation is really pretty drastic.  And their 2ndary as well.  I had Dallas at 9-7 this year.  Revising to 10-6 after seeing how bad off NY is.  Tonights other matchup Skins/Piggles could revise that prognotication further.  I fear for his health as a fellow human being, but RGIII is gonna get broken again this year, and as a Redskin who works for Dan Snyder, this makes me happy.

Eagles need a better QB, period.  I am not up to date on what their other ills are right now.

NFCEast won't be the strongest conf, that is for sure.  Just grateful we're not in the West with SF and the Waterbirds....that is gonna be bloody.
 
2013-09-09 11:30:30 AM  
Both of these teams are terrible.
 
2013-09-09 11:34:12 AM  
There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?
 
2013-09-09 11:34:17 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Giants RB situation is really pretty drastic.


ESPN says they're going to work out street FAs Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee.  Yeah, because when every team in the NFL has spent March - August evaluating talent and no one picked these guys up, yet they appear to be the best option....rrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggght.


Lt. Cheese Weasel: Revising to 10-6 after seeing how bad off NY is.


B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but whomever comes out of the NFC East will be battle tested and thus, will coast through the playoffs!

signed,
things dumb people were saying just a week ago
 
2013-09-09 11:36:02 AM  

AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.


Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.
 
2013-09-09 11:36:52 AM  

rickythepenguin: B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but whomever comes out of the NFC East will be battle tested and thus, will coast through the playoffs!


I like the revised prediction.  If only every Cowboys opponent turns it over 6 times, they'll be 16-0.
 
2013-09-09 11:39:57 AM  

Farnn: Trying to decide if it makes sense to pick up Dallas' defense for next week.  All the top defenses are taken in my league so I'm just going to drop and add based on who plays the Jets or Jaguars and the like.  Obviously 20+ points from a defense aren't sustainable but hopefully they get at least a few turnovers a week.


Bucc's sucked this week so it won't always pan out.  Also I would add the Browns to the list of fail teams
 
2013-09-09 11:40:54 AM  

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


Because everyone saw this game.
 
2013-09-09 11:42:37 AM  

czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.


You know that thing where Fark quotes something completely different from what you thought you were quoting? And you don't notice in the preview? Yeah. That.
 
2013-09-09 11:43:09 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.


Yea, cuz that was totally guaranteed, if not for that turnover.
 
2013-09-09 11:43:16 AM  

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

thumbs.newschoolers.com
 
2013-09-09 11:43:21 AM  
Still ended with more fantasy points than either Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford (in my league, anyway).
 
2013-09-09 11:44:58 AM  

Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.


Considering the Giants were driving to make the deficit less than a TD before that 3rd pick, yes, yes it was.

All things considered, the Giants should've lost by 4 TDs; the Cowboys' Offense was as efficient as the Jets Offense.
 
2013-09-09 11:45:08 AM  

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time.  You should check it out sometime.  It can be kinda cool.
 
2013-09-09 11:46:39 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.


Just ask the Gators
 
2013-09-09 11:49:13 AM  

asmodeus224: Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.

Yea, cuz that was totally guaranteed, if not for that turnover.


I considered it highly likely, based on the game's momentum and several recent examples of Eli Manning rallying the Giants despite a shiatty game to win on the last drive.  It's happened quite a few times, especially in Dallas.
 
2013-09-09 11:50:02 AM  

thecpt: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

Because everyone saw this game.


Not people in Milwaukee. NBC and TWC are having a lover's quarrel over how to split up our money here - so no NBC football for us (missed the opener, and Sunday night game). Jackasses.
 
2013-09-09 11:53:58 AM  
I will never tire of Manning's "awww c'mon guys, really?" grade school disappointed face.

big gif here:
http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ELI-MANNIN G- INTERCEPTIONFACE.gif
 
2013-09-09 11:54:35 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: thecpt: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

Because everyone saw this game.

Not people in Milwaukee. NBC and TWC are having a lover's quarrel over how to split up our money here - so no NBC football for us (missed the opener, and Sunday night game). Jackasses.


Can we forget about the galgamecs?
 
2013-09-09 12:04:28 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Giants RB situation is really pretty drastic.  And their 2ndary as well.  I had Dallas at 9-7 this year.  Revising to 10-6 after seeing how bad off NY is.  Tonights other matchup Skins/Piggles could revise that prognotication further.  I fear for his health as a fellow human being, but RGIII is gonna get broken again this year, and as a Redskin who works for Dan Snyder, this makes me happy.

Eagles need a better QB, period.  I am not up to date on what their other ills are right now.

NFCEast won't be the strongest conf, that is for sure.  Just grateful we're not in the West with SF and the Waterbirds....that is gonna be bloody.


Eagles switched to a 3-4 and don't have the personnel to run it. They will get run all over without a run stuffing nose tackle. Time of possession will rapidly get out of hand and the defense will get more and more gassed later in games, meaning the entire defense will be torn apart.

Receivers are also a question, Desean Jackson is the only playmaker on the outside, and isn't a 100 catch type. If Avant can emerge as an actual threat on the outside instead of just the good hands guy he is now, it'll help, but it's unlikely.
 
2013-09-09 12:05:13 PM  

cheezitmojo: Still ended with more fantasy points than either Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford (in my league, anyway).


Heck in one of the Fark leagues Eli battered Romo by almost 100%
 
2013-09-09 12:06:02 PM  

jimmythefly: I will never tire of Manning's "awww c'mon guys, really?" grade school disappointed face.

big gif here:
http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ELI-MANNIN G- INTERCEPTIONFACE.gif


That is perfect. I really enjoy that gif.

Not as much as I enjoyed the broadcasters slobbering all over Eli's comeback skills and then sitting quietly during his ensuing pick-6.
 
2013-09-09 12:06:24 PM  

IanMoone: cheezitmojo: Still ended with more fantasy points than either Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford (in my league, anyway).

Heck in one of the Fark leagues Eli battered Romo by almost 100%


That's funny!
 
2013-09-09 12:14:01 PM  

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


Did you submit any?
 
2013-09-09 12:14:48 PM  
I am cautiously optimistic about what last night's game might mean for the Cowboy's season. The O-line seemed improved, Smith is a beast of a man. The running game was solid and an effective part of the strategy - even into the 4th quarter! Romo and Austin looked sharp, as always whitten, would like Bryant to get more looks, if anything to keep his head in the game.

Defense looked re-energized, secondary went to sleep some. stopping the big play still a problem but they did get the stop when they needed it.

should be a fun season.
 
2013-09-09 12:16:35 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: would like Bryant to get more looks


Bryant was getting a lot of attention from the defense and seemingly any time the ball came his way he was wearing a CB like a cape.
 
2013-09-09 12:18:52 PM  

Klivian: Eagles switched to a 3-4 and don't have the personnel to run it. They will get run all over without a run stuffing nose tackle. Time of possession will rapidly get out of hand and the defense will get more and more gassed later in games, meaning the entire defense will be torn apart.

Receivers are also a question, Desean Jackson is the only playmaker on the outside, and isn't a 100 catch type. If Avant can emerge as an actual threat on the outside instead of just the good hands guy he is now, it'll help, but it's unlikely.


Eagles don't have the personnel to run any sort of defense.  Avant is 30, he is what he is at this point.

The O Line is monstrous though when healthy.  Hurry up or not they should be able to sustain some drives on offense since Chip likes to run and they're going to use a lot of tight ends since as you point out they don't have receivers anyway.
 
2013-09-09 12:19:13 PM  

ShadowKamui: Also I would add the Browns to the list of fail teams


Cleveland is the charter member of the Fail List.  It doesn't need to be added because it never leaves.

Yanks_RSJ: I considered it highly likely, based on the game's momentum and several recent examples of Eli Manning rallying the Giants despite a shiatty game to win on the last drive. It's happened quite a few times, especially in Dallas.


Plus, you never know when a Lavonte David is going to lurch into view and lose a won game.
 
2013-09-09 12:23:18 PM  

rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time. You should check it out sometime. It can be kinda cool.


I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.
 
2013-09-09 12:28:19 PM  

Di Atribe: Primitive Screwhead: [img.fark.net image 720x536]

/shameless repost

Seriously, what the fark does this even mean? It doesn't make any sense.

And also, I'm seeing a lot of "Yeah, without those 6 turnovers, the Cowboys don't win the game" bullshiat this morning. Uh.... well, yeah. And without those 4 touchdowns, the Cowboys don't win the game, either.


Yanks_RSJ: Five turnovers and they were at midfield on their way to the winning TD, the 6th slammed the door.  Can't win when you're that careless with the ball all night long.

^^^ This is the correct thing to say. ^^^ They were close and for a goddamn change for once in their lives, the Dallas defense stepped up. And I was just as surprised as anyone.


My observations from last night are these:

Romo played like an elite quarterback with really no major mistakes (like trying to pitch it to Choice to avoid a sack) other than the 19yard loss from two consecutive sacks.

The game was closer than it should have been because Williams had grease hands and also started to worry about a hit before getting full control of the ball. The latter being a rookie mistake. It was also closer because it took too long to get the running game together properly.

The offical's reenactment of the Weatherford attempt to draw a penalty is still hilarious to me.
 
2013-09-09 12:28:20 PM  

Treygreen13: TrainingWheelsNeeded: would like Bryant to get more looks

Bryant was getting a lot of attention from the defense and seemingly any time the ball came his way he was wearing a CB like a cape.


Bryant is bracket covered the whole game and Romo is left with only Witten and Austin cuz the other WRs dropped passed when they were wide open. Can we have Ogletree back? I don't even know how much TB offered him.
 
2013-09-09 12:29:11 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: thecpt: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

Because everyone saw this game.

Not people in Milwaukee. NBC and TWC are having a lover's quarrel over how to split up our money here - so no NBC football for us (missed the opener, and Sunday night game). Jackasses.


People in Milwaukee would just need to get out their rabbit ears and get NBC over the local signal.  It's a pain in the butt I know, but it does work, even in HD.  If they don't have rabbit ear antennas, get their kids to stand holding the coax cable plugged into the antenna input.  Kids make great antennas...
 
2013-09-09 12:29:51 PM  
Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.
 
2013-09-09 12:31:55 PM  
As an unbiased observer, the highlight of last night's game was Jason Witten puke-videobombing "ROMO RIBWATCH 2013".
 
2013-09-09 12:33:20 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: I am cautiously optimistic about what last night's game might mean for the Cowboy's season



Oh how I love you, overreaction Monday!

But i understand.  i'm guilty of it too.  I saw some things out of Arizona that make me feel really good.  Palmer, for all the shiat I've said about him, was remarkably accurate.  Mendenhall showed a north-south running style we haven't seen in years (is beanie "fall down before you get hit" wells even on a roster?).

but i try not to fall in love with anybody, or throw dirt on the grave, until the 4th week.  i mean hell, not that people are putting Geno Smith in Canton or the Jets in the Super Bowl, but can you imagine the mock furor if that Chiefs dude hadn't committed on ethe more egregiously stupid penalties yesterday?  Yeah, Suh is getting fined, the whoel 49ers/Packers mess, but, the Jets LOSE that game but for the penalty.  that game was in the books.  that woudl have been a 63, count 'em, 63 yard attempt with i think 3 seconds left (the Jets had to kick off after the 48 yarder, to burn 2-3 seconds) but for that penalty.  anyways, my point is you can't take too much away from one game, either way.
 
2013-09-09 12:33:32 PM  

Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


Here are the broadcast maps.
i.imgur.com

Looks like if there was any game that more than 50% of the country watched, it was Green Bay/San Fran. But it wasn't showing everywhere (map 3).

SNF goes to the whole country.
 
2013-09-09 12:34:05 PM  
Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.
 
2013-09-09 12:34:49 PM  

czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.


Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:41 PM  
Oh noes! Giants are losing, time to fake some injuries to slow the game down! Nice to see some horrendous butthurt ONE game into the season guys, I hope that for your emotional well being things go better for you as the season goes on.
 
2013-09-09 12:35:48 PM  

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


I'm surprised too. Maybe if it involved the Seahawks we'd hear about it.
 
2013-09-09 12:36:05 PM  

Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


1) i didn't say that

2) you misread my post;  it is the only game televised at that time slot.  regional markets get different games.  phoenix had Seahawks/Panthers and Bears/Whatevers yesterday.  Your market probably got a different 10AM/1PM matchup.  But everybody (well, except in Milwaukee) gets the SNF game.  that's my point.
 
2013-09-09 12:37:00 PM  

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


Why? Just so people can say the 9ers would've won anyways?

Yesterday's thread went potato
 
2013-09-09 12:37:04 PM  

JohnBigBootay: czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.

Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.


As a Bengals fan, this makes me happy. But, as a Bengals fan I know that means we're going to struggle to get to the QB because Marvin Lewis will make sure to not pressure Ben or Blitz.
 
2013-09-09 12:43:25 PM  

Treygreen13: Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.

I'm surprised too. Maybe if it involved the Seahawks we'd hear about it.


I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.
 
2013-09-09 12:43:55 PM  

Treygreen13: (map 3).


bizarre that a little pocket of West By God Virginia got Rams/Cards!

JohnBigBootay: Their offensive line is just reprehensible


i didn't see the play, but as described on the radio today, that rookie that dove into Pouncey, he was basically attempting a chop block as the defensive player was engaged with Pouncey.  they were saying, one, had he succeded on the blcok, that woudl hvae been flagged for chop block, but two, he missed the defensive player by "two feet" and destroyed Pouncey's knee.  so aside from the flag aspect, it was incompetence.  Ron Wolfley (former Cardinal, current radio host) was like, "folks, i'm not kidding, I seriously wonder if his eyes were even open.  How could you miss that badly?  I gotta wonder, rookie, first game jitters, i wonder if his eyes were closed.  there's no other explanation for what happened."
 
2013-09-09 12:45:43 PM  

rickythepenguin: 2) you misread my post; it is the only game televised at that time slot. regional markets get different games. phoenix had Seahawks/Panthers and Bears/Whatevers yesterday. Your market probably got a different 10AM/1PM matchup. But everybody (well, except in Milwaukee) gets the SNF game. that's my point.


My point is that my entire weekend revolves around football, as I'm sure most everyone else's does.

My market is Dallas, TX, by the way, so it's great that everyone walks to talk Cowboys.  But I'm not just a Cowboys fan, I'm also an NFL fan.  So some talk about other, better games, would be welcome as well.
 
2013-09-09 12:46:46 PM  

Slow To Return: So some talk about other, better games, would be welcome as well.


I don't know any better game than watching Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way to his 2nd straight opening week loss to the Cowboys.
 
2013-09-09 12:48:41 PM  

Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.


It was WAY closer than it ever should've been. 
SIX turnovers. SIX! 
And the Giants were starting a game-winning drive with 2:30 left, all timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Had either offense been competent it would've been a 30 point win.

Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

I watched Carson Palmer and Marvin Lewis for 8 years. I know a thing or two about incompetent 'big yardage' offenses that only win when the other team gives the game away. 
The Giants won't turn the ball over like that again for 20 years. The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.

/but the offense/defense have improved
//no really
///three slashies swear
 
2013-09-09 12:49:00 PM  

revman64: People in Milwaukee would just need to get out their rabbit ears and get NBC over the local signal.


Yeah - TWC did say they'd give out the rabbit ears (I of course learned about this last night) - and really, a SNF game involving teams I'm not really interested in wasn't worth the effort. It just torques me off that spending $$$/mo and you can't get basic network signals. I'm guessing this weekends 2 lost football games will result in an end to the standoff though (and whatever college was lost Saturday) - that or the first time the Packers get flexed to the game of the week.
 
2013-09-09 12:50:17 PM  

Treygreen13: Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way


he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible.  he can be terrible.  i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games.  i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say.  definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs.  he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

but godammit if come December, he doesn't pull a 3-game streak out of his ass to make the playoffs.  AGAIN.
 
2013-09-09 12:50:42 PM  

Slow To Return: rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time. You should check it out sometime. It can be kinda cool.

I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.


I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.
 
2013-09-09 12:51:36 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: As a Bengals fan, this makes me happy. But, as a Bengals fan I know that means we're going to struggle to get to the QB because Marvin Lewis will make sure to not pressure Ben or Blitz.


THIS
The Steelers rarely put together 2 bad seasons, nor two bad games. 
The Bengals have gone to the playoffs consecutively for the first time in 20 years. And the sheer brilliance of blowing two timeouts & then giving up the TD on the next play just speaks to that.
 
2013-09-09 12:53:41 PM  

LucklessWonder: I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.


In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game, and an even better 49ers/Packers game to tide me over.
 
2013-09-09 12:54:30 PM  
That's ok, no one expects Eli to live up to the unstoppable force that was Andrew Luck's week 1 performance
 
2013-09-09 12:55:44 PM  

Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.


Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.
 
2013-09-09 12:56:53 PM  

JohnBigBootay: czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.

Oh god. The steelers might not win a damn game. Their offensive line is just reprehensible.


This. Plus we lost Pouncy for the year. Ben will be lucky to get to the by-week.
 
2013-09-09 12:57:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: but can you imagine the mock furor if that Chiefs dude hadn't committed on ethe more egregiously stupid penalties yesterday


memo to me, from me, through me

dear me:

they both wear red, but the tampa bay bucs are not the chiefs.  got it?  if you have any questions, see me.

respectfully,
me
 
2013-09-09 12:58:31 PM  

natural316: In other news, buffalo channeled their inner buffalo yesterday


There were 80 games last year with a greater than 40 point difference in QB rating. All 80 teams on the low end lost.
Yesterday the Bills lost what was unloseable in 2012.

IT IS A NEW ERA!
 
2013-09-09 12:58:38 PM  

rickythepenguin: he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible. he can be terrible. i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games. i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say. definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs. he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.


Collinsworth (of all people) said it best.  He's (usually) great in the clutch.  He's a better QB in the last 5 minutes of a game then he is in the rest.  Maybe, just maybe, a good coach would recognize this and have him run the hurry-up offense all game.  Peyton kind of does, so maybe his slower brother could too?
 
2013-09-09 01:00:20 PM  

bionicjoe: Kornchex: RickN99: That was an ugly game.  Dallas is happy with a win, but given that the Giants turned it over 6 times, it should have been a blowout.  Even with the massive assistance from the Giants offense, Dallas barely held on.

That was garbage time.  The game wasn't as close as you think it was.

It was WAY closer than it ever should've been. 
SIX turnovers. SIX! 
And the Giants were starting a game-winning drive with 2:30 left, all timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Had either offense been competent it would've been a 30 point win.

Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

I watched Carson Palmer and Marvin Lewis for 8 years. I know a thing or two about incompetent 'big yardage' offenses that only win when the other team gives the game away. 
The Giants won't turn the ball over like that again for 20 years. The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.

/but the offense/defense have improved
//no really
///three slashies swear


It's hard to do what the fans want sometimes. If they go out there and throw it all over the place people whine about a risky offense, and when they play it safe the crowd whines about how they only barely won.

The Cowboys didn't look sharp on offense, I agree. But it's not like they went out and stumbled to a 12-6 win. The offense scored 23 points, which would have been enough to win 9 other games this week.
 
2013-09-09 01:00:24 PM  

Slow To Return: LucklessWonder: I don't know about you but I was waiting all day for Sunday night.

In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game, and an even better 49ers/Packers game to tide me over.


Was suckered into yard/car work (as my beloved Redskins play tonight, I figured "where's the harm?"). Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.
 
2013-09-09 01:03:05 PM  

mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.


Yeah.  The refs blew the call.  But it's hard for me as a Niners fan to be all that sympathetic to a mistake stemming from the Niners' response to Matthews' play there.
 
2013-09-09 01:04:13 PM  

mjbok: He's (usually) great in the clutch.


except when he's not.  that's the problem with him.  he has obviously come through in the clutch but not always, and beyond that, his terrible play early is sometimes why he's in the clutch situation.


LucklessWonder: Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.


i didn't watch a hwole lot of SNF.  i don't know what it was, but i was football'd out.  as much as i love football and craved the season to begin, i had no interest in the game.  saw maybe 10-15 minutes and i wsa barely paying attention.
 
2013-09-09 01:05:49 PM  

LucklessWonder: Was suckered into yard/car work (as my beloved Redskins play tonight, I figured "where's the harm?"). Saw bits of both those games, but SNF was the only one I saw all way through.


After watching the Saints/Falcons game, I couldn't help but have BountyGate on my mind while watching the 49ers/Packers.  It was crazy.
 
2013-09-09 01:06:39 PM  

mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.


Full disclosure: I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan so take this for what it's worth - the entire 2nd half of the game last years was f*cked and each team was gifted a TD, with GBs coming at the hands of a drive that included multiple flags left in pockets on obvious holding and a GB 3rd down failure on which a phantom PI penalty was called to extend the drive. The last legitimate score of that game was 7-6 to the Seahawks at the half. I don't think I've ever seen an officiating crew Jekyll & Hyde it so badly in a game.

FWIW, I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted. It was a flat-out dirty play all-around from Matthews. I'm frankly surprised no one put him in his place afterward. I expected some targeted downfield blocking or blatant crack-back blocking from SF. I guess the scoreboard will have to do the talking.
 
2013-09-09 01:07:45 PM  

Dafatone: But it's hard for me as a Niners fan to be all that sympathetic to a mistake stemming from the Niners' response to Matthews' play there


you could say STaley escalated it, but it looked to me like Matthews threw a punch.  two PFs in the space of 10 seconds should have been an ejection, in my opinion.  especially since, as noted above, the Packers (if not Clay specifically) had said just days ago, hitting Kaep was their strategy.  he was well OOB when that happened.  obviously he'll be fined, curious how much.  pretty sure the NFL doesn't want a marquee "face" getting hit like that.
 
2013-09-09 01:10:18 PM  

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: Eli flop out 3 turnovers on his way

he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible.  he can be terrible.  i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games.  i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say.  definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs.  he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

but godammit if come December, he doesn't pull a 3-game streak out of his ass to make the playoffs.  AGAIN.


Thing is, Eli had a fantastic game last night.  450 yards on 42 attempts is great.  4 TDs.  He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad.  But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.  Wasn't another of the interceptions like that?  I can't remember.

So you knock that one off the board and you're looking at 27/42, 450 yards, 4 tds, 2 ints.  More ints than you'd like, but still really good.  And he did that with zero running game.
 
2013-09-09 01:11:53 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Eagles need a better QB, period. I am not up to date on what their other ills are right now.


Actually, given both the offensive line and the multi-faceted (read: it has a real running game, and involves more than screen-passes and 15-yard throws on 3rd-and-2) offense they'll be running, both Vick and Foles should be fine. Not "set-the-world-on-fire" great, but more than "game-managing serviceable".

Their biggest problem is the secondary. Seriously, putting pylons out in the safety and corner slots might be just as effective as the personnel there. Perhaps more, because at least the pylons won't ever be out of position.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:12 PM  

rickythepenguin: Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?

there's this revolutionary thing called "Sunday Night Football", where the premise is they take marquee teams and televise that one game nationwide in prime time, and check this out, it is the only game on at the time.  You should check it out sometime.  It can be kinda cool.


It can't be that cool if the Cowboys get 3 of the first 10 games (before the flex schedules start). At least the 49ers (who get two games) made the playoffs last year.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:22 PM  

Shame Us: mjbok: Shame Us: I certainly wouldn't have walked into that trap. After benefitting from last years colossal f*ck-up, I don't think I'd have opened that box of rattlesnakes. Mike McCarthy must just be beside himself privately with those two losses to the Niners and Seahawks considering the boneheaded officiating.

Though both involve the Packers you can't really compare the two.  The Seattle thing cost them the game, period.  The whole game develops differently after the offsetting calls yesterday if it was done correctly.

All that being said (and I am a Packer fan for full disclosure), that hit on Kapernick by Clay Matthews was pure bush league BS.  He should get a nice fine for that, especially after his statements prior to the game about targeting Kapernick.

//I was surprised yesterday by a lot of the calls that I expected that never came about roughing the passer.  Across several games I saw lots of driving the qb into the ground or what would be considered late-hits on Brady that were never called.

Full disclosure: I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan so take this for what it's worth - the entire 2nd half of the game last years was f*cked and each team was gifted a TD, with GBs coming at the hands of a drive that included multiple flags left in pockets on obvious holding and a GB 3rd down failure on which a phantom PI penalty was called to extend the drive. The last legitimate score of that game was 7-6 to the Seahawks at the half. I don't think I've ever seen an officiating crew Jekyll & Hyde it so badly in a game.

FWIW, I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted. It was a flat-out dirty play all-around from Matthews. I'm frankly surprised no one put him in his place afterward. I expected some targeted downfield blocking or blatant crack-back blocking from SF. I guess the scoreboard will have to do the talking.


They nailed clay later with a pulling guard on a fake boot. And there was the no call later with Davis tripping him. And yes, that's a legitimate place to call tripping. You can't hold someone by thier leg.

I thought it was great officiating except the brain fart blunder. The sea game last year was just a tough game literally ruined by poor officiating.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:35 PM  

Shame Us: I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted.


huh, i didn't see the Sea/Car punch, although i watched most of the game.

did you see Steve Smith destroying that player on that phantom penalty?  Man.  he was LIVID.  and then of course the penalty was reduced from 15 to 5.

it didn't really affect the game so no one is talkign about it, but, it didn't make sense.  the guy voluntarily went OOB (which was the basis for the 5yd penalty) but, he came right back in.  the ref explained it as "the player went OOB and did not directly come back to the field of play" but, on replay, he did.  the explanation didn't match the action.  ehhh.  whatever.

it was i think 5yds then a rekick.  so curious of Steve Smith went back to the guy or if he said fark it.
 
2013-09-09 01:12:35 PM  

mjbok: rickythepenguin: he has the hardware so in that sense, he's bulletproof, but......he can be terrible. he can be terrible. i never understand -- i know, overreaction monday -- how he gets talked up so much by some analysts, who then seem to ignore his bad games. i don't dislike him or the Giants, i just don't think he's as great as many say. definitely a top 15QB but, while we have a mighty small sample size with kaepernick, wilson, and RGIII, i don't even think Eli is in the top third of QBs. he's waaaaaaay too inconsistent.

Collinsworth (of all people) said it best.  He's (usually) great in the clutch.  He's a better QB in the last 5 minutes of a game then he is in the rest.  Maybe, just maybe, a good coach would recognize this and have him run the hurry-up offense all game.  Peyton kind of does, so maybe his slower brother could too?


Almost every QB looks better in a hurry up offense, which is why it's so popular in college/HS (together with the spread offense). Less time for defense to substitute players (especially the front 4), less time to call plays and adjust at the line and the defense overall put a lot more effort. Almost every player runs to the ball carrier every single play while the offense regroups and sets up for the next play.

When the Cowboys did it the Giants had to start faking injuries. NFL really has to come down hard on teams that do that time and time again.
 
2013-09-09 01:13:19 PM  

Slow To Return: There were 12 other games played in the NFL yesterday ... why isn't there a thread for each one of them also?


It's an NFL thread. Comment on whatever game you wish. You don't need a special headline to do so.
 
2013-09-09 01:13:23 PM  
I only saw the second half (work), but DAL had the game well in hand, then started playing soft-zone D around the end of the 3rd. Does anyone ever farking learn? The only thing a prevent D prevents is a win!

Didn't see the Romo injury, but he looked bad to start the 3rd, then perked up all of a sudden.

The funniest thing was listening to Collinsworth say something like "there's very few QBs I'd rather have with 3 minutes to go than Eli", then furiously backpedaling after the INT, practically screaming, "NOT HIS FAULT! NOT HIS FAULT!" as if he yelled loud enough, his earlier statement would magically erase itself. Yea, I know the RB didn't turn around in time, but he was still trying to block, and a QB will get blamed for that every time, whether it's right or wrong.
 
2013-09-09 01:14:54 PM  

Dafatone: He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad. But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him



so basically, it was Eli being Eli.  Monster numbers, highlight reel TDs, but INTs.  that's what Eli is.  He'll win a game and lose a game.
 
2013-09-09 01:15:16 PM  

Shame Us: Wondering why we don't already have a thread about the fail mary level brain fart that gifted the Niners a 2nd 3rd down (and consequently a TD). Seems right up Fark's alley.


1:59 eastern
 
2013-09-09 01:17:03 PM  

rickythepenguin: Shame Us: I thought Matthews should have been ejected for punching Staley. It happened in the SEA/CAR game earlier and the player was booted.

huh, i didn't see the Sea/Car punch, although i watched most of the game.

did you see Steve Smith destroying that player on that phantom penalty?  Man.  he was LIVID.  and then of course the penalty was reduced from 15 to 5.

it didn't really affect the game so no one is talkign about it, but, it didn't make sense.  the guy voluntarily went OOB (which was the basis for the 5yd penalty) but, he came right back in.  the ref explained it as "the player went OOB and did not directly come back to the field of play" but, on replay, he did.  the explanation didn't match the action.  ehhh.  whatever.

it was i think 5yds then a rekick.  so curious of Steve Smith went back to the guy or if he said fark it.


Yeah, I think the R got bad info from the SJ before making the announcement there. Still a boneheaded penalty to commit when you'd already been called (legitimately) for the 15-yarder on the previous punt.

The punch came after a sack of Wilson and Breno Giacomini (as always) just nudged a CAR DT with his shoulder next to the pile. A little dirty? Yes, but no more than the normal shoving and posturing that happens after plays all the time. Dude just lost it. Turned around and punched him square in the helmet right in front of an official. He got a solid talking to from Steve Smith on hos wau off the field too. Turned a 8-10yd sack into 15 yards and a 1st.
 
2013-09-09 01:18:03 PM  
oh, it was "only" STL/ARZ, but, tyrann mathieu went Operation Codename:  Steve Tasker on some Rams dude yesterday.  Rams completed a 20yd pass down the seam, dude had about 20yds for the TD, no one areound him (nice coverage, AZ).  He's trucking to the endzone, Mathieu never gave up, and about 3-4 yards shy, knocked the ball loose, recovered in the endzone by AZ.  touchback baby!

we still lost but that was awesome.

/and in fairness to the Rams guy, he wasn't going Operation Codename:  Leon Lett.he had decent ball security, he just got ran down from behind.
 
2013-09-09 01:18:24 PM  

PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.


By to, you mean "three feet behind on a 10-foot route."

bionicjoe: The Cowboys will look the same all season....AGAIN.


I gotta feel like refs might start calling it when a CB is literally hanging off of Bryant before the pass gets there on every single play instead of on the one token play they called it this last game.

/I appreciate the Giants' effort, though, since my opponent had Bryant in FFB
//also, 80 of those yards were garbage-time yards
 
2013-09-09 01:18:50 PM  

mjbok: He's (usually) great in the clutch.


Well the problem with that is that we think he's great in the "clutch" because we're told to celebrate his successes and absolutely bury his failures. In 2011 he had a great streak of comeback wins, and basically every other year is just... average or below.

For example, last year:

Eli has three 4th quarter "comeback" wins.

vs. Tampa Bay: 3 TD, 3 INT
vs. Washington: 1 TD, 2 INT
vs. Dallas: 0 TD, 1 INT

But they're technically wins, so we say yay, good job Eli! Look at how clutch you are!  Then we look back at the whole season and see, oh right, he also lost 4 games "in the clutch"

vs. DAL: 17-24
vs. PHI: 17-19
vs. PIT: 20-24
vs. WAS: 16-17

And he got blanked 34-0 against the Falcons.


...but nobody talks about them. Nobody. You'd never know it unless you went back to the stats. So when he comes out it's "if you could have anyone in the 4th quarter it'd be Eli."
 
2013-09-09 01:19:21 PM  

Treygreen13: Slow To Return: I seriously doubt that's that only game that 99.9% of Farkers watched on Sunday.

Here are the broadcast maps.
[i.imgur.com image 358x522]

Looks like if there was any game that more than 50% of the country watched, it was Green Bay/San Fran. But it wasn't showing everywhere (map 3).

SNF goes to the whole country.


Well here are some other figures, 33, 29, 88%, 1/3rd, most, 4.29 & a handfull.
 
2013-09-09 01:19:51 PM  

Dafatone: But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.


If he threw it to the WR instead of way behind him, then it's probably not intercepted. A good example of one you can't blame a QB for is the one Jermichael Finley dropped to the Niners.

But I suppose you can blame Rodgers for actually expecting Finley to catch a pass given the past few years.
 
2013-09-09 01:21:38 PM  

rickythepenguin: Operation Codename:  Steve Tasker on some Rams dude yesterday.


Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.
 
2013-09-09 01:22:27 PM  

Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,


I don't know about you, but

i63.photobucket.com

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.
 
2013-09-09 01:22:35 PM  

rickythepenguin: Dafatone: He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad. But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him


so basically, it was Eli being Eli.  Monster numbers, highlight reel TDs, but INTs.  that's what Eli is.  He'll win a game and lose a game.


Eli is a bit of a gunslinger, just how he is. Usually he makes up for his mistakes by having a huge 4th quarter and winning. The Giants' inconsistencies are nerve wracking for us Giants fans. But when Eli has won more Super Bowls that 20 NFL teams in their entire history, living with clunker games is bearable.
 
2013-09-09 01:24:35 PM  

IAmRight: Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.


well shiat.  i actually stopped to think about that, too.  data bank was like, "white bills dude.....hustle guy....TASKER!"
 
2013-09-09 01:25:04 PM  

IAmRight: By to, you mean "three feet behind on a 10-foot route."


Hard to say what was going on there. I don't really hold it against him - not sure what the call was. Sort of like Romo's pass to where the receiver was supposed to be on a read and getting a deflected pass picked down to the 1. Which sort of gets lost here - the Cowboys defense managed to hold off a 1st and 1. Seriously.

Dafatone: Thing is, Eli had a fantastic game last night.  450 yards on 42 attempts is great.  4 TDs.  He threw 3 interceptions, which is bad.  But that last one bounced right off a receiver and into a defender's hands, so it's really hard to blame him.  Wasn't another of the interceptions like that?  I can't remember.


Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot in this game and the Cowboys lost a 36-31 game after Tony Romo threw 3 INTs and 4 TDs for 450 yards? Would we say the same thing about Tony?

Spoiler alert: no.
 
2013-09-09 01:26:13 PM  

bionicjoe: Romo-Garrett Offense
288 yards on 49 attempts; 5.3 YPA, 1 INT

Eli-Coughlin
450 yards on 42 attempts; 10.1 YPA

, 3 INT

All this comparison says to me is that Dallas finally has some semblance of a run game (please stay healthy, DeMarco Murray). Oh and you left off a bit, I'll add it in for you.
 
2013-09-09 01:26:58 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


Well basically anything is an improvement from last year's Saints D, so I bet you are. Rob is probably just getting more experienced coaching defenses where everyone is on the IR.
 
2013-09-09 01:28:20 PM  

yumpizza: . But when Eli has won more Super Bowls that 20 NFL teams in their entire history, living with clunker games is bearable.


yup.  like i said, he has the ice so fair play to eli.  but yeah, i understand how you'll take the good with the bad.

i'm not saying Eli is Jake Plummer, but that was what we had back in the day.  he'd hvae Bad Jake games where we'd be pulling our hair out, and then he'd, you know, throw 2TDs and run for 1 in the 4th quarter to win, and we'd love the guy.

(on that note, he was on a local show just a few days ago and he said, only half joking, he was born ten years too early.  to paraphrase, he was wondeirng how differrently his career would have been in the "read option" era.  he said he was in systems where he was trained to be a pocket passer when arguably his talents would have been far more suited to the read option.  interesting.)
 
2013-09-09 01:29:52 PM  

Treygreen13: Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot in this game and the Cowboys lost a 36-31 game after Tony Romo threw 3 INTs and 4 TDs for 450 yards? Would we say the same thing about Tony?


absolutely.  i was gonna say that.  Eli goes Eli, and it is, "welp, one bounced off a player, one was a heads up defensive play, what are you gonna do?", but when Romo goes Romo, no one can STFU about how awful he is.

the power of two rings, i guess.
 
2013-09-09 01:31:56 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.
 
2013-09-09 01:33:20 PM  

Treygreen13: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

Well basically anything is an improvement from last year's Saints D, so I bet you are. Rob is probably just getting more experienced coaching defenses where everyone is on the IR.


Oh, he's well talented at it at this point, lol.  And yeah, hearing Mike Smith say "that was not the 2012 defense" in his postgame presser was wonderful.
 
2013-09-09 01:35:47 PM  

Slow To Return: I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.


I think most of Rob's problems in Dallas were based around the fact that his exotic blitz packages and schemes were difficult for replacement guys to pick up when the Cowboys defense started dropping like flies.
 
2013-09-09 01:37:10 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

I was sad to see Ryan go. Like Romo, he took a lot of unnecessary blame for things beyond his control. Of course, also like Romo, some of that blame was warranted.


Generally enjoying the look of ex-Cowboy coaches in the Superdome, heh.

/not that they fired Payton, but
 
2013-09-09 01:38:48 PM  
robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

i didn't rrrrrrrrrrrrreally watch anything yesterday so i don't know if someone had a worse day.  i mean, i watched SEA/CAR, a little of Giants/Whatevers, and then they gave us the tail end of Jets/Chiefs, where i saw that moronic penalty live, and then i half assedly watched a little of SNF.


over /unders were interesting. i didn't get to make my picks but, Patriots "only" by 3 on a spread i think 9.5 was interesting, spesh with all the drama Rough Buff had at QB.  i would have taken AZ (+4.5) too;  we should have won that, period.  I think a 12 point lead we blew in the 4th.  just let 'em back in.  Packers/49ers would have gone my way too.

i need to reup TF so i can in the NFL thread early.  by the time i got back from church the thread was like,, 1100 posts already.
 
2013-09-09 01:39:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: jake is eli


"finkle is einhorn!  einhorn is finkle!  finkle is einhorn!"

/obcure?
 
2013-09-09 01:42:10 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?


Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.
 
2013-09-09 01:45:43 PM  

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.


THEY LET HIM THROW THREE TIMES?!
 
2013-09-09 01:46:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?


Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.
 
2013-09-09 01:46:18 PM  

thecpt: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.

THEY LET HIM THROW THREE TIMES?!


Well, it's Ponder, so they let him "throw" three times, yeah.
 
2013-09-09 01:47:43 PM  

robsul82: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.


I'm only seeing 3 INT, 1 FUM. Is there another turnover I'm missing? Maybe one of those really weird ones?
 
2013-09-09 01:47:45 PM  

Treygreen13: Still two games, but I believe the current Jake leader is Ponder, with 3 INT and a fumble.


oh duh.

well tonight.....Wash -3.5 (52).....hmmm.....I'm gonna pick PHI with the upset and the over.  3.5 in week one is basically "i dunno!" so i'll just say PHI because.

HOU @ SD, Hou -4 (44).....HOU outright.  why not?  no one knows anything about the first two weeks, arguably 3.

/Thursday nights Jets @ Pats?  -13, -14 so far.  mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.
 
2013-09-09 01:48:19 PM  

rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.


It's a division game. All bets are off.
 
2013-09-09 01:49:08 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


You won't for long.  His D scheme is 'blitz everyone', and blame media and fans when it does not work.
 
2013-09-09 01:49:35 PM  

robsul82: Ponder had 5 turnovers. Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.



ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

(but i'm not that guy that said you palyed favorites or whatever he said in that one thread.)
 
2013-09-09 01:51:26 PM  

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.

It's a division game. All bets are off.


This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.
 
2013-09-09 01:52:09 PM  

Treygreen13: robsul82: rickythepenguin: robsul82, jake is eli, i'm guessing?  marquee game, loss, and 3 INTs?

Ponder had 5 turnovers.  Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.

I'm only seeing 3 INT, 1 FUM. Is there another turnover I'm missing? Maybe one of those really weird ones?


Yesterday the ESPN box score had him at 3 INT, 2 FUM, now they've changed it.  Well, 66.7 is still good enough for the lead, only now it's very reachable...and you know who is playing tonight.  And when he plays on Mondays, HISTORY HAPPENS, hahaha.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

You won't for long.  His D scheme is 'blitz everyone', and blame media and fans when it does not work.


Well, I'm just thinking positive for now, trying not to think about how it ended elsewhere.
 
2013-09-09 01:53:04 PM  

Di Atribe: All this comparison says to me is that Dallas finally has some semblance of a run game


Semblance?  With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.  They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.  They don't have a lot of faith in their run game, and it shows.

One game sample, I know.  But even when they had a good lead, they still kept throwing.  A lot.
 
2013-09-09 01:53:38 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82: Ponder had 5 turnovers. Marquee games, the Delhomme RatingTM cares not for such things.


ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

(but i'm not that guy that said you palyed favorites or whatever he said in that one thread.)


Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.
 
2013-09-09 01:54:04 PM  

Dafatone: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: mildly surprised at how narrowly the Pats beat the Bills.

It's a division game. All bets are off.

This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.



Naaaaa, Pats almost fell into the trap game.  They were looking ahead to Thursday ngith's game.  Trap game.  What are you gonna do?  Trap game, that's all.  That game had trap written all over it.  Trap game.  That's all.  Classic trap game.
 
2013-09-09 01:54:32 PM  

Khellendros: One game sample, I know. But even when they had a good lead, they still kept throwing. A lot.


Where's the Romo flowchart when you need it....
 
2013-09-09 01:54:39 PM  

rickythepenguin: ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.


Well, the importance of the game does matter when turnovers are equal.

Dafatone: This right here is the number one rule of predicting NFL games and of drawing conclusions about teams based on results.


Indeed. And a division game in Week 1? I'd rather have a coin flip.

robsul82: And when he plays on Mondays, HISTORY HAPPENS, hahaha.


I sure hope so. Starting that Texans D tonight.
 
2013-09-09 01:56:40 PM  

robsul82: Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.


If it had been a tie, Manning should've gotten it for the whole pick-six to clinch the game PLUS the fact that his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew a few days earlier and threw 7 TDs with 0 INTs.

But Ponder is what Ponder is.
 
2013-09-09 01:56:49 PM  

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: ha.  ok.  i wsa thinking it mattered.  like i said the other day i don't really "do" the jake, sorry.

Well, the importance of the game does matter when turnovers are equal.


True, in the event of a tie, everything comes on the table.
 
2013-09-09 01:57:22 PM  
I'm a Vikings fan so I'm really getting a... [sob] nevermind.
 
2013-09-09 01:58:33 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: Well, after yesterday he's probably going to disappear until the Falcons beat up some cupcakes, so he can piss and moan and make up nonsense about whatever he wants, lol.

If it had been a tie, Manning should've gotten it for the whole pick-six to clinch the game PLUS the fact that his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew a few days earlier and threw 7 TDs with 0 INTs.


Would've been poetic, alas.
 
2013-09-09 02:02:04 PM  

IAmRight: his brother went out on the same channel with the same broadcasting crew


speaking of brothers and broadcasting, Ronde Barber had a predictably shaky first game in the booth for ARZ/STL.  he fumble the telestrator a few times and I heard him say "Larry Johnson" twice (because, you know, Larry Fitzgerald isn't an NFL icon or anything).  he was ok overall but that was annoying.

(paper had a neat tidbit about cards coach Bruce ARians and Ronde;  i guess in the 80s or whatever, ARians either played with or coached Tiki and Ronde's father, and the ARians and Barber families lived in the same campus apartments. so, back in the day, the ARians family used to babysit Tiki and Ronde.  who knew all three would end up in teh NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE?)
 
2013-09-09 02:03:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: Naaaaa, Pats almost fell into the trap game.  They were looking ahead to Thursday ngith's game.  Trap game.  What are you gonna do?  Trap game, that's all.  That game had trap written all over it.  Trap game.  That's all.  Classic trap game


rickbakas.com
 
2013-09-09 02:04:36 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.


I'm not much of a fan of Saints fans, Farkers excepted.  They're whole 'WHO DAT?' thing is close to being as annoying as the obsolete 'America's Team' noise.  (If the Cowboys history is indicative of the Saints future, that might eventually become as much of a burden.)  Still, I don't hate the team.

But seeing that fat fuzzy turd wallowing on the sidelines made me want the goddam wouldn't-piss-on-them-if-they-were-on-fire Falcons to win.
 
2013-09-09 02:11:25 PM  

Khellendros: With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.


Currently Demarco Murray sits at 5th in rushing attempts, and put in the 4th most yards of all RBs to play so far.

Khellendros: They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.


Well part of that was unfortunate penalties. For example, first drive:

1st and 10: Murray for 3
2nd and 7: 5 yard penalty
3rd and 12: Pass


3rd drive:
1st and 10: Murray for 11
1st and 10: Murray for 7
2nd and 3: Romo to Austin for 8 (10 yard penalty)
1st and 18: Pass for 7
2nd and 11: Incomplete pass
3rd and 11: 14 yards to Witten


Also, it's easy to forget Demarco Murray caught 8 passes, putting his personal contribution to the game at 28 plays.
 
2013-09-09 02:13:55 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

I'm not much of a fan of Saints fans, Farkers excepted.  They're whole 'WHO DAT?' thing is close to being as annoying as the obsolete 'America's Team' noise.  (If the Cowboys history is indicative of the Saints future, that might eventually become as much of a burden.)  Still, I don't hate the team.

But seeing that fat fuzzy turd wallowing on the sidelines made me want the goddam wouldn't-piss-on-them-if-they-were-on-fire Falcons to win.


Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.
 
2013-09-09 02:20:30 PM  

Treygreen13: mjbok: He's (usually) great in the clutch.

Well the problem with that is that we think he's great in the "clutch" because we're told to celebrate his successes and absolutely bury his failures. In 2011 he had a great streak of comeback wins, and basically every other year is just... average or below.

For example, last year:

Eli has three 4th quarter "comeback" wins.

vs. Tampa Bay: 3 TD, 3 INT
vs. Washington: 1 TD, 2 INT
vs. Dallas: 0 TD, 1 INT

But they're technically wins, so we say yay, good job Eli! Look at how clutch you are!  Then we look back at the whole season and see, oh right, he also lost 4 games "in the clutch"

vs. DAL: 17-24
vs. PHI: 17-19
vs. PIT: 20-24
vs. WAS: 16-17

And he got blanked 34-0 against the Falcons.


...but nobody talks about them. Nobody. You'd never know it unless you went back to the stats. So when he comes out it's "if you could have anyone in the 4th quarter it'd be Eli."


Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?
 
2013-09-09 02:22:39 PM  

Treygreen13: Also, it's easy to forget Demarco Murray caught 8 passes, putting his personal contribution to the game at 28 plays.


Running down that 90 yds to keep that interception from turning into a Pick 6 bought Murray a lot of slack from me.
 
2013-09-09 02:25:50 PM  

robsul82: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: robsul82: Slow To Return: In the DFW area, I was treated to a wonderful Saints/Falcons game,

I don't know about you, but

[i63.photobucket.com image 200x112]

I'm enjoying The Rob Ryan Era so far, lol.

I'm not much of a fan of Saints fans, Farkers excepted.  They're whole 'WHO DAT?' thing is close to being as annoying as the obsolete 'America's Team' noise.  (If the Cowboys history is indicative of the Saints future, that might eventually become as much of a burden.)  Still, I don't hate the team.

But seeing that fat fuzzy turd wallowing on the sidelines made me want the goddam wouldn't-piss-on-them-if-they-were-on-fire Falcons to win.

Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.


The thought of Rob Ryding a Rascal on the sideline.  YESSSSSSS!!
 
2013-09-09 02:27:31 PM  

yumpizza: Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?


Trey has a huge hard-on for Eli Manning, best to just leave him be.
 
2013-09-09 02:28:38 PM  

yumpizza: Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?


I don't recall the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2012, the year I'm talking about in the post you quoted and the year Eli blew more comebacks than he won and threw for more INTs than TDs during his "comebacks".

Rings don't mean you deserve credit for everything and blame for nothing. Eli was bad "in the clutch" last year. He deserves credit for his previous successes, but they don't make you immune to criticism for your failures.
 
2013-09-09 02:28:59 PM  
A moment of silence for the Steelers' 2013 season. Nothing like losing your best offensive player (injured by our guy no less) and one of your defense's leaders in the first game.

Time to go Clownshoes for Clowney. Well maybe not, he isn't really a 3-4 DE, but Clownshoes for someone.
 
2013-09-09 02:36:08 PM  

Treygreen13: Khellendros: With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.

Currently Demarco Murray sits at 5th in rushing attempts, and put in the 4th most yards of all RBs to play so far.

Khellendros: They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.

Well part of that was unfortunate penalties. For example, first drive:

1st and 10: Murray for 3
2nd and 7: 5 yard penalty
3rd and 12: Pass


3rd drive:
1st and 10: Murray for 11
1st and 10: Murray for 7
2nd and 3: Romo to Austin for 8 (10 yard penalty)
1st and 18: Pass for 7
2nd and 11: Incomplete pass
3rd and 11: 14 yards to Witten


Also, it's easy to forget Demarco Murray caught 8 passes, putting his personal contribution to the game at 28 plays.


That actually does put a lot into perspective.  I still think the run/pass balance for the Cowboys is WAY off of where it should be for a healthy team.  But seeing that he's 4th in rushing yards says a lot - some good and some bad.  What it tells me is that running is very weak in the NFL right now, and we're relying far too much on one guy to do it.  But I'm glad he's working as a tent pole for now.  We need it, and I hope they can balance it more and keep him healthy.

Good notes, though.
 
2013-09-09 02:36:26 PM  

czetie: AnEvilGuest: Streaky McFlukey : high highs, low lows.

Yes it was. Mind you, I watched the Steelers/Titans game earlier, and by comparison Dallas/Giants was a ballet of grace and perfection.


LOL, I was thinking the same thing...
 
2013-09-09 02:38:18 PM  
It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.
 
2013-09-09 02:40:02 PM  

Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.


Agreed. I don't blame Eli for INT #3.
 
2013-09-09 02:40:51 PM  

robsul82: Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.


It's a fun chant. And it's used WAY too much. Can you imagine the hell Cowboys fans would get if we AMERICAS TEAM-ed nearly as much as Saints fans WHO DAT?


yumpizza: Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?


Is that seriously all you have? Every time, we put numbers beside each other comparing EManning & Romo, some Giants fan has to show up all "NAH NAH TWO SUPER BOWLS." Dude, we know. And I don't think I should have to explain every single time how the SB wins are team accomplishments. Teams. Individuals. Different!
 
2013-09-09 02:41:41 PM  

Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.


Agreed. It should count as a fumble charged to the receiver.
 
2013-09-09 02:42:53 PM  
The more you think about that Tampa Bay player, the bigger a bonehead he is. There's three seconds left. Why is he shoving the Jets QB out of bounds? He should be grabbing the guy and keeping him in bounds, so the clock runs out, and the Jet don't get their last-gasp 63-yard field goal attempt. Instead he gives them a free 15 yards, and a make-able 48 yard kick.
 
2013-09-09 02:45:19 PM  

Di Atribe: robsul82: Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.

It's a fun chant. And it's used WAY too much. Can you imagine the hell Cowboys fans would get if we AMERICAS TEAM-ed nearly as much as Saints fans WHO DAT?


yumpizza: Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?

Is that seriously all you have? Every time, we put numbers beside each other comparing EManning & Romo, some Giants fan has to show up all "NAH NAH TWO SUPER BOWLS." Dude, we know. And I don't think I should have to explain every single time how the SB wins are team accomplishments. Teams. Individuals. Different!


I wonder if Eli tried reminding Carr about his rings while he was running that game-sealing pick 6 back.
 
2013-09-09 02:45:52 PM  
Oh and trey, if you get a second, could you fark-size this gif? I want to use it forever.
 
2013-09-09 02:46:30 PM  

Khellendros: Treygreen13: Khellendros: With 49 pass attempts and 23 rushes for only 87 yards, I don't think we can seriously talk about the Cowboys having a run game.

Currently Demarco Murray sits at 5th in rushing attempts, and put in the 4th most yards of all RBs to play so far.

Khellendros: They led the whole game, had a massive time of possession advantage, and they still threw more than 2x more than they ran the ball.

Well part of that was unfortunate penalties. For example, first drive:

1st and 10: Murray for 3
2nd and 7: 5 yard penalty
3rd and 12: Pass


3rd drive:
1st and 10: Murray for 11
1st and 10: Murray for 7
2nd and 3: Romo to Austin for 8 (10 yard penalty)
1st and 18: Pass for 7
2nd and 11: Incomplete pass
3rd and 11: 14 yards to Witten


Also, it's easy to forget Demarco Murray caught 8 passes, putting his personal contribution to the game at 28 plays.

That actually does put a lot into perspective.  I still think the run/pass balance for the Cowboys is WAY off of where it should be for a healthy team.  But seeing that he's 4th in rushing yards says a lot - some good and some bad.  What it tells me is that running is very weak in the NFL right now, and we're relying far too much on one guy to do it.  But I'm glad he's working as a tent pole for now.  We need it, and I hope they can balance it more and keep him healthy.

Good notes, though.


Murray is a very, very, very good runner who gets hurt all the time, partially because it seems he has a knack for working EXTREMELY hard just to gain a yard and a half.
 
2013-09-09 02:46:54 PM  

Di Atribe: Oh and trey, if you get a second, could you fark-size this gif? I want to use it forever.


I'm at lunch right now but when I get back I'll farkify it.
 
2013-09-09 02:47:18 PM  

bingethinker: The more you think about that Tampa Bay player, the bigger a bonehead he is. There's three seconds left. Why is he shoving the Jets QB out of bounds? He should be grabbing the guy and keeping him in bounds, so the clock runs out, and the Jet don't get their last-gasp 63-yard field goal attempt. Instead he gives them a free 15 yards, and a make-able 48 yard kick.


media.avclub.com
 
2013-09-09 02:47:42 PM  

Di Atribe: robsul82: Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.

It's a fun chant. And it's used WAY too much. Can you imagine the hell Cowboys fans would get if we AMERICAS TEAM-ed nearly as much as Saints fans WHO DAT?


i1.ytimg.com

It's our hot chant and we'll use it as much as we want!
 
2013-09-09 02:48:03 PM  

Treygreen13: I wonder if Eli tried reminding Carr about his rings while he was running that game-sealing pick 6 back.


Oh do you mean this one?

i27.photobucket.com


Ohgod that face..... I can't right now.... I just can't.
 
2013-09-09 02:49:13 PM  

robsul82: It's our hot chant and we'll use it as much as we want!


i27.photobucket.com

OK! lolz
 
2013-09-09 02:49:46 PM  

bingethinker: The more you think about that Tampa Bay player, the bigger a bonehead he is. There's three seconds left. Why is he shoving the Jets QB out of bounds? He should be grabbing the guy and keeping him in bounds, so the clock runs out, and the Jet don't get their last-gasp 63-yard field goal attempt. Instead he gives them a free 15 yards, and a make-able 48 yard kick.


Because he doesn't have the reach/angle to catch him and pull him backwards and he barely can reach him to push him (and does so in bounds, that was a horrible call)?
 
2013-09-09 02:50:11 PM  

Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.


it also kinda sucks when a QB throws a 8yd pass that the WR turns into a 24yd after the catch run, dodging 4 LBs and the QB gets a TD that isn't their doing.

for example, yesterday Brees threw a short pass that what's his name, jimmy bryant or whatever, runs to the edge and in acrobatic motion, clips the pylon.  this isn't shiattalking on Brees, this play happens all the time, but why does Brees get the "TD pass" when the dude made an incredible play entirely independently of Brees' throw?
 
2013-09-09 02:52:35 PM  

rickythepenguin: for example, yesterday Brees threw a short pass that what's his name, jimmy bryant or whatever, runs to the edge and in acrobatic motion, clips the pylon. this isn't shiattalking on Brees, this play happens all the time, but why does Brees get the "TD pass" when the dude made an incredible play entirely independently of Brees' throw?


Through Breesus all things are possible.
 
2013-09-09 02:54:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.

it also kinda sucks when a QB throws a 8yd pass that the WR turns into a 24yd after the catch run, dodging 4 LBs and the QB gets a TD that isn't their doing.

for example, yesterday Brees threw a short pass that what's his name, jimmy bryant or whatever, runs to the edge and in acrobatic motion, clips the pylon.  this isn't shiattalking on Brees, this play happens all the time, but why does Brees get the "TD pass" when the dude made an incredible play entirely independently of Brees' throw?


YAC (yards after catch) is talked quite a bit for WR. It's not talked at all for QBs though but analysts do talk about the QB placing the ball ahead the WR to allow him to catch the ball in stride.
 
2013-09-09 02:58:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.

it also kinda sucks when a QB throws a 8yd pass that the WR turns into a 24yd after the catch run, dodging 4 LBs and the QB gets a TD that isn't their doing.

for example, yesterday Brees threw a short pass that what's his name, jimmy bryant or whatever, runs to the edge and in acrobatic motion, clips the pylon.  this isn't shiattalking on Brees, this play happens all the time, but why does Brees get the "TD pass" when the dude made an incredible play entirely independently of Brees' throw?


They do keep track of YAC and attempt distance. So you just gotta dig deeper for your stats.

Although a QB can improve YAC by leading his receiver properly and hitting guys with a lot of space in front of them so you just gotta watch the games.
 
2013-09-09 03:00:49 PM  

ddam: It's not talked at all for QBs though but analysts do talk about the QB placing the ball ahead the WR to allow him to catch the ball in stride.


It's factored into with QBR (the newer version of the stat).
 
2013-09-09 03:13:02 PM  

IAmRight: ddam: It's not talked at all for QBs though but analysts do talk about the QB placing the ball ahead the WR to allow him to catch the ball in stride.

It's factored into with QBR (the newer version of the stat).


They changed QBR? So it's slightly less meaningless?
 
2013-09-09 03:19:03 PM  

ddam: YAC (yards after catch) is talked quite a bit for WR. It's not talked at all for QBs though but analysts do talk about the QB placing the ball ahead the WR to allow him to catch the ball in stride.


i get that and i know some FF leagues track YAC.  but even "in stride" doesn't account for the play dude did yesterday.  that's all i'm saying.

anquan boldin at his best was a huge YAC guy.  he was a biatch to tackle.  it wasn't always Warner hitting him in stride, it was the simple 7yd post that Boldin would turn into a 17yd gain with 4 dudes on him.  warner shouldn't get credit for a dude's heart.

anyways.
 
2013-09-09 03:19:41 PM  

Treygreen13: They changed QBR? So it's slightly less meaningless?


QBR is pretty decent over a longer period of time.

The other one is passer rating. That's how I try to refer to each to avoid confusion.
 
2013-09-09 03:21:24 PM  

Di Atribe: Oh and trey, if you get a second, could you fark-size this gif? I want to use it forever.


Ask and ye shall receive:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-09 03:22:40 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: They changed QBR? So it's slightly less meaningless?

QBR is pretty decent over a longer period of time.

The other one is passer rating. That's how I try to refer to each to avoid confusion.


I could see it being good over time - a lot of stats are. Single game QBR is extraordinarily meaningless, or at least it was in its original iteration which I can only assume was done to to prop up Tim Tebow.
 
2013-09-09 03:31:53 PM  

Treygreen13: Di Atribe: Oh and trey, if you get a second, could you fark-size this gif? I want to use it forever.

Ask and ye shall receive:
[i.imgur.com image 308x257]


It's so beautiful. And the scoreboard rolling over to "TOUCHDOWN" really seals it. Thank you.
 
2013-09-09 03:36:51 PM  

Di Atribe: Treygreen13: Di Atribe: Oh and trey, if you get a second, could you fark-size this gif? I want to use it forever.

Ask and ye shall receive:
[i.imgur.com image 308x257]

It's so beautiful. And the scoreboard rolling over to "TOUCHDOWN" really seals it. Thank you.


I like the guys in the back. One is clapping excitedly and the other is NOT HAVING IT.
 
2013-09-09 03:38:33 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.

it also kinda sucks when a QB throws a 8yd pass that the WR turns into a 24yd after the catch run, dodging 4 LBs and the QB gets a TD that isn't their doing.

for example, yesterday Brees threw a short pass that what's his name, jimmy bryant or whatever, runs to the edge and in acrobatic motion, clips the pylon.  this isn't shiattalking on Brees, this play happens all the time, but why does Brees get the "TD pass" when the dude made an incredible play entirely independently of Brees' throw?


It's still tracked for the receiver, but I totally see where you're coming from here.
 
2013-09-09 03:45:43 PM  
not only did Eli perform Romo-esque, he also gets the Romo style "well he can't overcome the deficit that he created so this is clearly everyone else's fault" ESPN article

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-09 03:49:05 PM  

Mikey1969: It's still tracked for the receiver, but I totally see where you're coming from here.



ehhh.  just one of those NFL things that drive me semi-bonkers.  what are you gonna do.
 
2013-09-09 03:49:36 PM  

falcon176: not only did Eli perform Romo-esque, he also gets the Romo style "well he can't overcome the deficit that he created so this is clearly everyone else's fault" ESPN article

[i.imgur.com image 223x157]


When does Romo get that? He gets "Romo blows it what a choker" not "Romo's heroic comeback falls short."
 
2013-09-09 03:49:38 PM  

Di Atribe: robsul82: Ah, c'mon, it's a fun chant and considering the city he now lives in/near, Rob Ryan only has a few weeks of mobility left, so be nice, heh.

It's a fun chant. And it's used WAY too much. Can you imagine the hell Cowboys fans would get if we AMERICAS TEAM-ed nearly as much as Saints fans WHO DAT?


yumpizza: Perhaps that's because Eli has two farkin' Super Bowl winning drives which overshadow a few regular season games?

Is that seriously all you have? Every time, we put numbers beside each other comparing EManning & Romo, some Giants fan has to show up all "NAH NAH TWO SUPER BOWLS." Dude, we know. And I don't think I should have to explain every single time how the SB wins are team accomplishments. Teams. Individuals. Different!


QB is the most important position in professional sports. Playoffs and Super Bowls are what matter. Romo is shiatty in the playoffs, Eli is great. End of story.
 
2013-09-09 03:52:39 PM  

yumpizza: Romo is shiatty in the playoffs, Eli is great. End of story.


Eli is great, except when he's not, which is most of the time. But the Giants' team is better than the Cowboys' team, so he gets some titles.
 
2013-09-09 03:52:59 PM  

falcon176: not only did Eli perform Romo-esque, he also gets the Romo style "well he can't overcome the deficit that he created so this is clearly everyone else's fault" ESPN article

[i.imgur.com image 223x157]


Uh, hold on. Eli performed "Romo-esque?" How so? He threw over 4900 yards in a season? Oh no, that can't be it. Hm. He holds a 2.5 % internet to TD ratio? Hm, nope, Eli's is 3.3%.

What your post is really showing people is that no matter how bad Eli farks up, ESPN will still paint him as the only good thing on that team & they lost DESPITE his heroics. And people biatch about ESPN kissing the Cowboys' asses. Like hell they do. Why aren't the Cowboys the top story? They're the ones who actually WON.
 
2013-09-09 03:54:09 PM  

yumpizza: QB is the most important position in professional sports. Playoffs and Super Bowls are what matter. Romo is shiatty in the playoffs, Eli is great. End of story.


That's hardly the end of the story. Are you a homer or do you get all of your football analysis from SportsCenter?
 
2013-09-09 03:59:22 PM  

Di Atribe: He holds a 2.5 % internet to TD ratio?


He doesn't win very many internets :(
 
2013-09-09 04:00:46 PM  

yumpizza: QB is the most important position in professional sports. Playoffs and Super Bowls are what matter. Romo is shiatty in the playoffs, Eli is great. End of story.


Except when he isn't great, right? Like the 3 playoff games he blew spectacularly? Like in 2009 when he threw 2 INTs in a playoff loss to the Eagles, his 2nd playoff game where he failed to record a TD and had multiple INTs?
 
2013-09-09 04:02:37 PM  

Di Atribe: falcon176: not only did Eli perform Romo-esque, he also gets the Romo style "well he can't overcome the deficit that he created so this is clearly everyone else's fault" ESPN article

[i.imgur.com image 223x157]

Uh, hold on. Eli performed "Romo-esque?" How so? He threw over 4900 yards in a season? Oh no, that can't be it. Hm. He holds a 2.5 % internet to TD ratio? Hm, nope, Eli's is 3.3%.

What your post is really showing people is that no matter how bad Eli farks up, ESPN will still paint him as the only good thing on that team & they lost DESPITE his heroics. And people biatch about ESPN kissing the Cowboys' asses. Like hell they do. Why aren't the Cowboys the top story? They're the ones who actually WON.


When a QB puts a team on his back and wills them to a Super Bowl like he did in 2011, then yes Eli has proven to carry a team. As for ratios, let's try playoffs winning percentage instead.

Also:

Season Passing Record:

8Eli ManningNew York Giants4,93320119* Tony RomoDallas Cowboys4,9032012
 
2013-09-09 04:03:09 PM  

IAmRight: Di Atribe: He holds a 2.5 % internet to TD ratio?

He doesn't win very many internets :(


LOL..... oops.... INTERCEPTION to TD ratio dammit you guys.
 
2013-09-09 04:03:33 PM  
Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903
 
2013-09-09 04:05:54 PM  

yumpizza: When a QB puts a team on his back and wills them to a Super Bowl like he did in 2011, then yes Eli has proven to carry a team. As for ratios, let's try playoffs winning percentage instead.


WONK WONK ALL THAT MATTERS ARE PLAYOFFS NOTHING ELSE WONK WONK

So a homer, I guess. For every 3 stats, you bring me one.

Here, found another gif for you.
 
2013-09-09 04:08:08 PM  
Dammit. It says it couldn't thumbnail the image so now it won't work. Pfft.
 
2013-09-09 04:08:09 PM  
Fun fact:

Tony Romo and Eli Manning (and their respective teams) have each made the playoffs ONCE in the past four years. Neither are elite.
 
2013-09-09 04:11:07 PM  

yumpizza: As for ratios, let's try playoffs winning percentage instead.


You don't get credit for failing to make the playoffs with a superior team.
 
2013-09-09 04:13:36 PM  
Also, Eli Manning didn't force Kyle Williams to drop two punts, including the one that gave the Giants the game-winning score as Eli's "offense" got shut down time and time again. Eli Manning didn't force the Packers to fumble on every single possession. Eli Manning gave up more points to the Falcons than the Giants' defense did. He didn't carry that team for sh*t.
 
2013-09-09 04:16:17 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Mikey1969: It kinda sucks when the QB gets dinged for an interception that isn't their fault. I mean, it just affects their stats and ratings(and their game bonuses), but if Butterfingers McGee can't bring the ball in, it shouldn't be the QB's fault.

Agreed. It should count as a fumble charged to the receiver.


Gonna have to disagree. Take a look at the play & feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZvCS0Ndh8

First, Eli's the one that threw the ball. No one else.

Second, Eli threw it before Scott had his head turned anticipating the incoming pass.

Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that  Dipassed for  Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.

Conclusion: That pick-6 is all on Eli, not Scott. Kudos to Carr for the heads-up ply on basically the ol' "tip drill".

Now, take a close look at the tape from that play & honestly tell me you wouldn't be ripping/blaming Romo if the roles were reversed & saying he choked/made a mistake that cost his team the game.
 
2013-09-09 04:27:26 PM  

4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him.


Everything else was accurate, but I'd point out that the Cowboys rush had beaten the blocks and they were set free. could've waited another step, though, and definitely hurried it.
 
2013-09-09 04:33:18 PM  

4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that Dipassed for Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.


Which one? Do you mean this one? Just checking.

i27.photobucket.com

Watch carefully for accuracy..... NYG 24 DAL 30 *peacock spin VWERRRRRRP* TOUCHDOWN
 
2013-09-09 04:42:47 PM  

rickythepenguin: IAmRight: Don Beebe was the one who knocked it out of Lett's hands. Different diminutive white Bills player.

well shiat.  i actually stopped to think about that, too.  data bank was like, "white bills dude.....hustle guy....TASKER!"


Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?
 
2013-09-09 05:00:36 PM  

rubertidom: Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?


Tim Dwight?

/but he went to SD, then New England, then the Jets, then the Raiders
//meets the description, though
 
2013-09-09 05:05:36 PM  

IAmRight: rubertidom: Makes me think of that little guy that used to play for Atlanta 10 or some odd years ago. Returned kicks and stuff. White guy, shaved head. Looked sorta built until they zoomed out and you realized he was like 5'7". After Atlanta I want to say he wound up in Chicago (maybe not.) Somebody help me out here?

Tim Dwight?

/but he went to SD, then New England, then the Jets, then the Raiders
//meets the description, though


That's the guy. Preshinate it.
 
2013-09-09 05:07:08 PM  

IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him.

Everything else was accurate, but I'd point out that the Cowboys rush had beaten the blocks and they were set free. could've waited another step, though, and definitely hurried it.


To say they'd beaten their blocks is a bit of a stretch. Not trying to split hairs, but look again. NY O-linemen have both Hatcher and Ware engaged & both held their blocks up until the
point that the pass was away. Bottom line is he hurried the pass when he really didn't have to hurry it. Granted, it's pretty easy to say that when I'm not the one that has 550+ lbs of pissed off humanity inevitably bearing down on me.

Di Atribe: 4NTLRZ: Third, Eli threw it when he wasn't under any pressure at all. There wasn't a Cowboy pass-rusher within 5 yards of him. Eli hurried the throw when it wasn't necessary & well, you get what you got. The gif that Dipassed for Trey to fark-size pretty much says it all.

Which one? Do you mean this one? Just checking.

[i27.photobucket.com image 308x257]

Watch carefully for accuracy..... NYG 24 DAL 30 *peacock spin VWERRRRRRP* TOUCHDOWN


Yes, the very one!
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-09 05:11:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.


No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass
 
2013-09-09 05:30:28 PM  

JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass


This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.
 
2013-09-09 05:30:53 PM  

yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903


Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.

Then there are these key areas where it's really not so close...

Regular season completion percentage:
Romo: 64.7
EManing: 58.6

Interception percentage (per 100 passes)
Romo: 2.8
EManning: 3.2

Yards per completion
Romo: 7.9
EManning: 7.1

Career 4th quarter passer rating
Romo 101.9
EManning 84.6


/Dallas O-line still sucks -IMO - & while slightly better than in '12 will still be a problem in '13.
//Frederick and Smith appear to be the only ones that can really play.
///Selvie looks like a good find... and outta nowhere.
 
2013-09-09 05:32:32 PM  

yumpizza: This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.



Eli makes that throw:  "the young man has to know to turn around!  Eli knows where to deliver the ball."

Romo makes that throw:  "Dumb idea, worse execution!"


/good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.
 
2013-09-09 05:37:53 PM  

JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass


Looked good to me, 6 pts!
 
2013-09-09 05:40:52 PM  

rickythepenguin: /good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.


Don't get too excited. It's one of the most obvious tropes in football right now. Eli can go out and bomb spectacularly, but when it's time for the 4th quarter it's "Mr. Comeback Eli" time, and then he bombs again and they're quiet until the next 4th quarter.
 
2013-09-09 05:41:15 PM  

rickythepenguin: yumpizza: This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.


Eli makes that throw:  "the young man has to know to turn around!  Eli knows where to deliver the ball."

Romo makes that throw:  "Dumb idea, worse execution!"


/good god.  did i just white knight romo?  jeez.  i feel dirty.


Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.
 
2013-09-09 05:45:37 PM  

4NTLRZ: Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.


it is like I've taken the first step into a larger universe!
 
2013-09-09 05:54:26 PM  

rickythepenguin: 4NTLRZ: Congrats, Ricky. You're seeing things for what they really are.

it is like I've taken the first step into a larger universe!


Indeed, you are. We all feel are dirty here.
 
2013-09-09 05:54:58 PM  
No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass
 
2013-09-09 05:55:40 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mikey1969: It's still tracked for the receiver, but I totally see where you're coming from here.


ehhh.  just one of those NFL things that drive me semi-bonkers.  what are you gonna do.


We could stage a coup...  :-)
 
2013-09-09 06:33:39 PM  

4NTLRZ: yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.



I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0
 
2013-09-09 06:53:17 PM  

yumpizza: JonPace: PowerSlacker: Best Manning threw the pass to his teammate...who promptly farked up the catch and turned it into a Dallas TD.

No. Eli threw it wide to his RB who wasn't even turned around yet. It was not a good pass

This is the NFL. Plays are based on timing. The RB was supposed to be turned around based on the timing of the play, but he was late to turn around.


I agree that timing is very important on pass plays, but this was just a dumpoff. On a 15+ yard pass you can throw the ball before the receiver has turned around. In this game, if the RB wasn't turned around when Eli threw it he wasn't going to be able to turn around at all. Eli should have seen that. He had time to look.

Plus, why does everyone say the QB is always correct if there's a timing problem? Maybe Eli rushed it because he felt pressure, and the RB was turning at the correct time.
 
2013-09-09 07:06:17 PM  

Di Atribe: I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0


He wasn't talking about last year.  He was comparing each QB's BEST year.

I gotta say, the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo, these threads go from 15 post threads to 223 post threads.
 
2013-09-09 08:15:32 PM  

Slow To Return: the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo


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2013-09-09 09:21:13 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?
 
2013-09-09 09:42:50 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?


Yards are generally a bad thing beyond a certain point.  I don't know the exact stat, but they were chatting about it on the radio this morning, so I'm close here - teams who pass 400 yards have a losing record in the last five years - they're throwing a lot to make up for being in a hole.  You know, like the Giants did.
 
2013-09-09 09:44:43 PM  
He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.
 
2013-09-09 09:57:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?


They have. Have you mentioned that they lost because of his 3 picks yet?
 
2013-09-09 11:01:52 PM  

Khellendros: WhyteRaven74: Has anyone mentioned that one of Eli's picks wasn't his fault since it went off the receiver's hands? And he threw for 450 yards? You know, 12 less than Peyton did the other night?

Yards are generally a bad thing beyond a certain point.  I don't know the exact stat, but they were chatting about it on the radio this morning, so I'm close here - teams who pass 400 yards have a losing record in the last five years - they're throwing a lot to make up for being in a hole.  You know, like the Giants did.


Also, the more you turn it over, the more yards you're going to have, especially in the case of pick-sixes, since you don't come off the field really and you just start over with a drive.
 
2013-09-09 11:24:21 PM  

Free Radical: He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.


So you only watch the Super Bowl?
 
2013-09-10 12:04:15 AM  
Loving all the excuses from Giants fans, hilarious.
 
2013-09-10 12:41:32 PM  

Di Atribe: 4NTLRZ: yumpizza: Let me clear that up:

8. Eli Manning New York Giants: 4,933

9 Tony RomoDallas Cowboys 4,903

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that stat. Hopefully it's that EManning & Romo are basically about the same because that's a 30 yard discrepancy. Not even worth mentioning if you're trying to make the assertion that Eli is a better QB than Romo.


I'm also not sure what point he's trying to make, considering that EManning threw for (oh dear, let me scroll down) 3948 yards last year, not 4933.

Oooh one more stat for us:

Reality: 1
yumpizza: 0


Well, ya gotta give him one because let's face it, pizza is pretty yummy. That's about as far as I can go, though.

Slow To Return: *** SNIP ***

He wasn't talking about last year.  He was comparing each QB's BEST year.

I gotta say, the reason Tony Romo takes so much criticism seems to be because every time someone criticizes Romo, these threads go from 15 post threads to 223 post threads he's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys.


-FTFY & if you haven't noticed, criticism is just about all Romo gets here. But hey, it's Fark!

Still a comparison of their two best seasons is not at all compelling if you're trying to make the case that Eli is a superior QB. It's only a 30 yard difference.

Free Radical: He's still 2-0 in Super Bowls which is all that really matters.


Oh, I know how to play that game, since that's all that really matters. It's called "scoreboarding", correct?

The NY Giants: Four Time Super Bowl Champions (1986, 1990, 2007 & 2011).

The Dallas Cowboys: Five Time Super Bowl Champions (1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995).

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