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2013-09-09 01:36:57 AM
I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.
 
2013-09-09 02:28:43 AM

mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.


Proprioception.
 
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2013-09-09 02:36:47 AM
Some of the supernatural and paranormal claims for a sixth sense often strike me as manifestations of the phrenias, organic psychosis, and other organic roots for cognitive distortion.  That wouldn't make for an additional sense, but rather, a deficiency in interpretation of the five.

Calling the ability to estimate the number of jellybeans in a jar a "sense" sounds like a stretch to me.  An ability, maybe, and certainly a novel one, but not a sense.

I'm not a scientist, though; I'll let them tell me what my senses are.
 
2013-09-09 02:53:27 AM

mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.


Or sensing temperature on the skin (which doesn't require physical contact so it doesn't count as touch).
 
2013-09-09 03:34:16 AM

Ivo Shandor: Or sensing temperature on the skin (which doesn't require physical contact so it doesn't count as touch).


Eh, it requires just as much physical contact as feeling the wind. ;)
(which is to say there needs to be contact with a medium to conduct the heat energy to your skin)
It's not like the heat sensors in vipers which actually detect thermal IR radiation.

I've always considered "touch" the combination of mechanoreceptors, nociceptors (pain, damage), and thermoreceptors in the skin. Just like "taste" is a combination of taste bud chemoreceptors, mechanoreceptors, thermoreceptors, and nociceptors in the tongue, as well as olfactory receptors (sense of smell is a significant part of sense of taste).

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Proprioception.


Thanks. Didn't know the word off the top of my head. :)
 
2013-09-09 04:03:54 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.

Proprioception.


What I find more disturbing is that we have these other "things" which we have grouped into SENSE.
It is the problem with classical definitions of a Group versus a group.

Tomatoes are fruits, but we call them Vegetables. Etc, etc.

On the other hand, it is amazing and interesting reading about these things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

That "counting" might now fall into this broader category is even more interesting.
That we "sense" some, lots, few, many, couple ...
 
2013-09-09 05:00:20 AM

mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.


Technically, each sensory nerve system would be a sense, wouldn't it? So hot, cold, pain, etc.
 
2013-09-09 05:04:45 AM
Of course we have a sixth sense. We also have a seventh and eighth. There are, like, 20 senses now.
 
2013-09-09 05:09:24 AM

Ishkur: Of course we have a sixth sense. We also have a seventh and eighth. There are, like, 20 senses now.


5 more and we got a quarter.
 
2013-09-09 05:34:06 AM
Is the National Monitor the new Opposing Views?  Their chicanery is identical.
 
mjl
2013-09-09 06:07:33 AM

mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.


I always thought it was knowing how full your bladder is.
 
2013-09-09 07:19:26 AM

433: Some of the supernatural and paranormal claims for a sixth sense


Perception.  Most mystics (i.e. cold readers) seem to have a very good sense of perception.

But beyond that yes bollocks, bullshiat and hokum.
 
2013-09-09 07:42:49 AM
www.marcojacobs.nl

246 total.
 
2013-09-09 07:58:39 AM
My sixth sense says that my therapist is actually dead.
 
2013-09-09 08:07:40 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: mamoru: I thought the real "sixth sense" is the sense of balance and body position.

Proprioception.


BWAAAHHHMMM
 
2013-09-09 08:08:12 AM
Started reading the story, then got a bit side-tracked by the other story on that page..

http://natmonitor.com/gallery/?WhichGallery=BREASTS_NATIONAL
 
2013-09-09 08:28:39 AM

stuartp9: Started reading the story, then got a bit side-tracked by the other story on that page..

http://natmonitor.com/gallery/?WhichGallery=BREASTS_NATIONAL


Yeah, though CH was about the only one I really agreed with.  SJ exists more for her lips and ass, and Upton for the whole figure.  The rest are pretty typical of Hollywood.
 
2013-09-09 09:12:32 AM

stuartp9: Started reading the story, then got a bit side-tracked by the other story on that page..

http://natmonitor.com/gallery/?WhichGallery=BREASTS_NATIONAL


Glad to see I wasn't the ONLY one.
 
2013-09-09 09:41:09 AM
BS?  Sounds more like they pulled it out of their aaas.
 
2013-09-09 09:52:34 AM
Sorry, I was distracted by Christina Hendrick's breasts over there on the right next to the article.
 
2013-09-09 10:16:52 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how to use my sense of test.
 
2013-09-09 10:18:27 AM
Since there aren't five senses to begin with, talking about a "sixth" as if it's new is pretty silly.  Sight (technically two senses in one), hearing, taste, smell, pressure, temperature, equilibrioception, chemoreception, and about half a dozen others, depending on how you slice them.

Talking about your "five senses" is analogous to talking about the four elements that make up matter.  It's quite outdated and incorrect at this point in our understanding of human physiology.
 
2013-09-09 10:24:27 AM
entropy2.com

I love to Count!
 
2013-09-09 10:32:26 AM

mamoru: It's not like the heat sensors in vipers which actually detect thermal IR radiation.


It's not as directional or sensitive as what the vipers have, but human skin is certainly able to detect thermal IR. The back of the hand and the upper lip just below the nose are two particularly sensitive areas. If you hold a mug of hot coffee close to one of those spots, you can feel the radiated heat without direct contact. Or just hold your hand near an incandescent light bulb.
 
2013-09-09 11:03:29 AM

Khellendros: Since there aren't five senses to begin with, talking about a "sixth" as if it's new is pretty silly.  Sight (technically two senses in one), hearing, taste, smell, pressure, temperature, equilibrioception, chemoreception, and about half a dozen others, depending on how you slice them.

Talking about your "five senses" is analogous to talking about the four elements that make up matter.  It's quite outdated and incorrect at this point in our understanding of human physiology.


I agree that saying that this could be the 6th sense is kinda wrong. That is like saying there are only 3 dimensions as well. We know that there is at least fourth dimension in time. As I am not a scientist, I do not know if they added any more dimensions outside of the 4 I know of.

Also, you got me confused for a second there when you said 4 types of matter. I originally thought of the 4 states of matter that I know of: Solid, Liquid, Gas and Plasma. Not what you meant in Air, Earth Fire and Water.

/Need coffee now
 
2013-09-09 12:44:54 PM
FTA the sense of test?
 
2013-09-09 12:47:57 PM
it cot bye mine spell checher
 
2013-09-09 01:26:00 PM
If there is a sense of how many, does it outweigh the sense of how few, or how one?

/lame ... but I could not resist :)
 
2013-09-09 03:53:15 PM

Khellendros: Since there aren't five senses to begin with, talking about a "sixth" as if it's new is pretty silly.  Sight (technically two senses in one), hearing, taste, smell, pressure, temperature, equilibrioception, chemoreception, and about half a dozen others, depending on how you slice them.

Talking about your "five senses" is analogous to talking about the four elements that make up matter.  It's quite outdated and incorrect at this point in our understanding of human physiology.


Except the universe isn't made of air, earth, fire, and water. But the senses can easily be lumped into five basic categories.

Even such "omg! it's own sense!" things like proprioception (mentioned above) can be lumped into the Basic Five (in this case, we can toss it in with "touch"). Is it wholly accurate? No. Does it work for most people who really don't give a flying fark to have seventy-brazilian categories? Sure.

Because you said it yourself: Sight (technically two senses in one). Bothering to separate them out is, the vast majority of the time, like bothering to note that the opposing army is actually several thousand humans and a metric ass-load of equipment; for much of the time, the generic "it" or "they" will work just fine without needing to worry about every one of their names.
 
2013-09-09 04:29:42 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Except the universe isn't made of air, earth, fire, and water. But the senses can easily be lumped into five basic categories


And I can lump any physical substance into a mix of air, earth, fire, and water.  It's meaningless, but I can do it, and there was a time it was convenient to do so.  But to lump temperature sense, pressure, equilibrioception, etc, all into "touch" is meaningless as well.  They use different nerves, direct to different parts of the brain, and provoke different reactions in the body.  Lumping them to touch is done for convenience only because we didn't understand things well when that idea was created centuries ago, but it leads to very bad conclusions about how we gain data and process information about our environment.

Yes, some of them can be reasonably put together.  They access similar pathways in the brain, or they're the same nerve build, but slightly adapted differently.  But five isn't right at all.  Eight, nine, maybe.
 
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