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2013-09-08 02:54:39 PM
3 votes:
The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).
2013-09-08 10:42:49 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.


Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.
2013-09-08 07:43:18 PM
2 votes:

simplicimus: It's supposed to be about amateur athletes


Amateurism was purely a classist thing, not a commercialism thing. There's a story behind that:

The ancient Greeks' interpretation of professionalism was different than ours. They saw a professional as someone performing for money, not someone performing for pride, heart, or the honor and duty of representing his people. To them, professionals were scorned -- people chasing something much lower (money) than the lofty ideal of human perfection. In addition, it was reasoned that professionals could not be trusted. Like mercenaries, they held no loyalties and no convictions. They traversed to where the money was. Thus, amateurs only were permitted, to preserve the purity and sanctity of the Games.

In the modern era, professionalism and amatuerism was wrapped around a more practical and somewhat sleazier angle: It was to preserve the delicate social order of snobbish Victorian society. Invented in the mid-19th century for the emerging field sports of association football and Rugby, amateurism was classism straight-up. It was a way to prevent the upper classes from mingling -- much less competing -- with commoners, and the Olympics, the bastion of amateurism, reflected such aristocratic bias in making things habitually difficult for the working class to participate.

The modern Olympic definition of amateurism, vaguely defined and of British origin (not Greek), slowly began crumbling as the skill level of the Games and the standard for achievement escalated over the course of the 20th century into a full-time commitment. Moreover, Communist countries did not have any distinction between pro and amateur (everyone worked for the state), so they could always send their best which maintained a gross advantage over capitalist countries.

With the breaking down of the amateur/professional barriers in the last 20 years and the transforming of the Olympics into a "best against the best, bar none" affair, the whole controversy over amateurism has now become a sponsorship/commercialism thing. Despite the fact that the modern Olympics is one of the most commercial properties in the world.
2013-09-08 11:29:04 PM
1 votes:

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


Don't even think about Olympic MMA.  There is no way you could have good MMA in the tournament style needed for the Olympics.  Boxing works because you have big oversized gloves and helmets to keep people from getting cut.  Wrestling works because you aren't allowed to hit anyone.  Judo et. al. work because it is more about form than and tapping someone in the right spot to score a point than actually hurting anyone.

Let's just keep all of the fighting disciplines as they are in the Olympics to serve as a feeder system for good MMA.
2013-09-08 11:23:27 PM
1 votes:

Kouvre: but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism.


Umm, no.  They are a celebration of Zeus' majesty.  And this was a guy who boned women as a bull, a thundercloud, a pile of gold, and a swan - I'm not even sure Zeus farked anybody while human(-shaped).

/Man-whore had serious fetish issues
2013-09-08 11:00:25 PM
1 votes:

Glockenspiel Hero: Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.

Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.


I can't even imagine how to go about biathlon.  I'm a fair shot, but I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn after cross-country skiing all out.
2013-09-08 10:33:46 PM
1 votes:

Twist2005: Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know

Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.


I'm not saying equestrian sports aren't real sports, but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism. That's why we don't have rally cars and F1 in the Olympics.
2013-09-08 10:23:51 PM
1 votes:

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.
2013-09-08 10:02:19 PM
1 votes:

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.
2013-09-08 08:50:16 PM
1 votes:

browser_snake: It doesn't count as doing something right if you simply backtrack on something you did wrong in the first place.


I think this is what they wanted all along.

FTA:
"Wrestling has shown great passion and resilience in the last few months," IOC president Jacques Rogge said. "They have taken a number of steps to modernize and improve their sport."

That's what the IOC wanted; modernization especially when it comes to women, not to get rid of it entirely, and that threat to do so was the kick in the butt they felt the wrestling federation needed to be more gender friendly and appetizing for TV.
2013-09-08 06:57:52 PM
1 votes:

Hoban Washburne: The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).


Man, I love your handle, but try horse dancing and you'll see why it's an Olympic sport. Also, try walking the day after. That'll feel like an Olympic effort, too.
I assume you're talking about dressage. Yeah, the required movements are dull. Freestyles? Not so much.

And what's wrong with a sport that requires all its very fit competitors to wear very tight pants?
2013-09-08 05:04:33 PM
1 votes:

gtfan92: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

You're adorable.


Thanks. And what's with everybody wearing clothes? That's not how the original Olympics were played.
2013-09-08 04:46:58 PM
1 votes:

Hoban Washburne: The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).


Well, Tuesday they're voting on a new IOC president and I know one of the candidates have suggested cutting back on some events within sports in order to bring more sports in without adding too many athletes to the Games. So there's a chance that something like the horse dancing could get dumped for something like baseball.
2013-09-08 03:52:36 PM
1 votes:
There's a cap on events so as to not strain the host city even more than they already are. They hit a point at which they don't think they can reasonably ask more of them. That's why for something to be added, something else has to go. And by 'something', we're talking an entire category of event. To get rid of dressage so as to make room for squash, you must remove the entire equestrian discipline.

However, I would suggest dumping modern pentathlon instead. There is simply no point to that event except for it to be an Olympic discipline.
2013-09-08 03:48:47 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Shooting, though? I'm iffy.


The shooting since 2009 in the modern pentathlon is the summer version of the biathlon (Skiing and Shooting), it is more about conditioning, muscle control and well rounded athleticism than it is about the actual act of shooting.  I like that aspect and I'm not sure if there is an alternate skill that could replace the shooting.
2013-09-08 01:34:40 PM
1 votes:

simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.


Professionals can complete in everything but boxing, actually.  Summer and winter.  But it's really, really obvious in basketball and hockey.
2013-09-08 01:28:40 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.
2013-09-08 01:25:23 PM
1 votes:

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.
2013-09-08 01:10:42 PM
1 votes:
Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.
2013-09-08 01:03:43 PM
1 votes:
I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

It seems to me that the Olympics have also gotten bloated with alot of sports that are either obscure, or require little to no athletic ability, because of bids and politicking from the organizations that "organize" (i.e., make money off of) them.  Sad, really.
2013-09-08 12:47:22 PM
1 votes:
They just did what was BEST-AH, FOR THIS BUSINESS-AHH
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