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(USA Today)   The IOC does something right for once   (usatoday.com) divider line 73
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2013-09-08 10:33:54 PM  

Twist2005: Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know

Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.


They sit on a horse.
 
2013-09-08 10:42:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.


Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.
 
2013-09-08 10:59:30 PM  
In its presentation, wrestling was quick to stake its position as a sport of the future, not the ancient past. "Wrestling is new in virtually every way,"

Does this mean we'll see a TLC match for the gold medal? Past Olympic gold medalists can be special guest referees.
 
2013-09-08 11:00:25 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.

Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.


I can't even imagine how to go about biathlon.  I'm a fair shot, but I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn after cross-country skiing all out.
 
2013-09-08 11:02:44 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Glockenspiel Hero: Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.

Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.

I can't even imagine how to go about biathlon.  I'm a fair shot, but I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn after cross-country skiing all out.


I would be shaking like crazy after that kind of exertion.
 
2013-09-08 11:04:07 PM  
Kouvre:  I'm not saying equestrian sports aren't real sports, but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism. That's why we don't have rally cars and F1 in the Olympics.

Yet
 
2013-09-08 11:23:27 PM  

Kouvre: but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism.


Umm, no.  They are a celebration of Zeus' majesty.  And this was a guy who boned women as a bull, a thundercloud, a pile of gold, and a swan - I'm not even sure Zeus farked anybody while human(-shaped).

/Man-whore had serious fetish issues
 
2013-09-08 11:29:04 PM  

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


Don't even think about Olympic MMA.  There is no way you could have good MMA in the tournament style needed for the Olympics.  Boxing works because you have big oversized gloves and helmets to keep people from getting cut.  Wrestling works because you aren't allowed to hit anyone.  Judo et. al. work because it is more about form than and tapping someone in the right spot to score a point than actually hurting anyone.

Let's just keep all of the fighting disciplines as they are in the Olympics to serve as a feeder system for good MMA.
 
2013-09-09 02:25:04 AM  
Golf & tennis have no business being in the Olympics.  Tennis has championship level play every year, everywhere. Same with golf. These could be traded for squash and softball.

MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

This is why I believe that the desire to make it 'easier' and more 'manageable' for a city to host the Olympics is bull. Cut tennis, which requires a specific type of venue, along with golf, which demands a lot of real estate? Mais non! Cut baseball/softball, which is played by over a billion people and is loved  on every continent except Europe? Mais oui!
 
2013-09-09 03:39:15 AM  

desertgeek: Well, Tuesday they're voting on a new IOC president and I know one of the candidates have suggested cutting back on some events within sports in order to bring more sports in without adding too many athletes to the Games. So there's a chance that something like the horse dancing could get dumped for something like baseball.


Baseball doesn't deserve to be in, really. The WBC is what best serves baseball, is conducted in nations that don't need to have the rules explained to them, and it runs at a time that minimizes inconvenience to its constituent nations. The Olympics runs in the middle of MLB's season and there is not an organization in the league that's going to let a single one of their players, major or minor league, go off to God knows where for two weeks in the middle of a pennant race. The college-player garbage was literally all the US was willing to send and they will do it again if baseball is reinstated. Which completely spits in the face of the best-athletes-on-Earth thing we're trying to have here.

If baseball is going to seriously return to the Olympics, they need to commit to putting all hands on deck at Olympics time. Robinson Cano needs to suit up. Clayton Kershaw needs to suit up. Justin Verlander needs to suit up. Miguel Cabrera needs to suit up. Mike Trout needs to suit up. And so on. The big guns are all going to need to put country over club to make it work. If they won't? The Olympics will kick them right back out again for not taking it seriously.
 
2013-09-09 04:12:02 AM  

gwowen: I Say dump everything for which the Olympics isn't the most prestigious thing, e.g:
Golf, Tennis, Men's Soccer, Baseball, Rugby, Basketball, road cycling,

Keep women's soccer and softball.

And half the swimming events, which are inefficiently different. No one runs 100m, 200m and 400m, or 400m and 800m. Everyone doubles up at swimming, often with multiple strokes. Those "8 medals at a games" are always swimmers, and it devalues everyone else's medals.


Olympic basketball is the most prestigious international completion in the sport. Until the FIBA championship becomes more relevant I don't see why you'd get rid of Olympic hoops. You'd have a legit case with soccer since the World Cup is such a big deal.
 
2013-09-09 08:08:45 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

It seems to me that the Olympics have also gotten bloated with alot of sports that are either obscure, or require little to no athletic ability, because of bids and politicking from the organizations that "organize" (i.e., make money off of) them.  Sad, really.


"dancing with a stick" is an event in gymnastics, not a whole other sport.  It is not keeping out baseball.

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


I could actually get really behind some limitations on the pros - think like they do in soccer where it is something like a U23 team with 3 older guys.  That may work in hockey now.  Basketball would probably skew too far back to USA, but maybe in the future.

namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.


That is boxing's call, not the IOC.
 
2013-09-09 08:59:40 AM  
Wrestling is boring.
 
2013-09-09 09:06:47 AM  

skinink: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.


This guy was a contrarian internet dork long before it became fashionable.  And why would you let one thing that you dont like ruin the entire thing for you?  Seems kinda dumb.
 
2013-09-09 09:15:52 AM  
www.olympicwrestle.com

"Life work complete.  Buy me a beer."
 
2013-09-09 09:34:53 AM  

bacongood: namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.

That is boxing's call, not the IOC.


hahahhahaah
WHY did I automatically assume that it was teh IOC keeping boxing out, and not the other way around?
So used to the IOC being the controlling voice.
 
2013-09-09 11:20:06 AM  
I'm not sure why they have a seemingly hard limit for the number of sports in the Olympics.  If it's a legit sport and has international participation, why exclude it?  Is there not enough money in the world to support a few more sports?

And while I'm kinda on the subject, how the fark is Butterfly an actual event?  It's difficult to think of a less efficient means of swimming.  And if butterfly is in, why aren't there medals for running backwards at 100, 200, 400 (etc) metres?
 
2013-09-09 11:30:52 AM  

namatad: bacongood: namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.

That is boxing's call, not the IOC.

hahahhahaah
WHY did I automatically assume that it was teh IOC keeping boxing out, and not the other way around?
So used to the IOC being the controlling voice.


IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

Wrestling also requires amateurs, but I think that has more to do with there being no real professionals and keeping clear from the drugs associated with the WWE types.

I think everything else is open to professionals, assuming there are actually professionals in the sport.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:24 PM  

Khazar-Khum: Golf & tennis have no business being in the Olympics.  Tennis has championship level play every year, everywhere. Same with golf. These could be traded for squash and softball.

MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

This is why I believe that the desire to make it 'easier' and more 'manageable' for a city to host the Olympics is bull. Cut tennis, which requires a specific type of venue, along with golf, which demands a lot of real estate? Mais non! Cut baseball/softball, which is played by over a billion people and is loved  on every continent except Europe? Mais oui!


Do you have a source on this becasue you are saying baseball is played by one seventh of the population of the entire planet. That smells like bullshiat to me.
 
2013-09-09 01:03:12 PM  
Wrestling, no-Gi submission grappling, BJJ and Boxing should be sports, with a catch:

An athlete has to compete in every one. Total up the points in each weight class over the four disciplines, and hand out your medals.
 
2013-09-09 01:07:10 PM  

Gunny Highway: skinink: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.

This guy was a contrarian internet dork long before it became fashionable.  And why would you let one thing that you dont like ruin the entire thing for you?  Seems kinda dumb.


You talking to me? Yeah, I can be a bit of a contrarian. As far as one sport ruining the entire thing, it wasn't so much the one thing as the abandonment of the illusion of amateur competition.
 
2013-09-09 04:02:14 PM  
Khazar-Khum:
MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

I mostly disagree. The European issue is a bit of a problem, but the bottom line as long as the summer olympics conflict with MLB Olympic baseball will never be more than an offbrand, minor tournament.

The Olympics isn't supposed to be a developmental league showcase.

 bacongood:
IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

FWIW amateur boxing is a substantively different sport from the pros, and it isn't just the headgear.
 
2013-09-09 04:59:20 PM  

Willas Tyrell: Khazar-Khum:
MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

I mostly disagree. The European issue is a bit of a problem, but the bottom line as long as the summer olympics conflict with MLB Olympic baseball will never be more than an offbrand, minor tournament.

The Olympics isn't supposed to be a developmental league showcase.

 bacongood:
IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

FWIW amateur boxing is a substantively different sport from the pros, and it isn't just the headgear.


Is it the shoes? I bet it's the shoes.
 
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