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2013-09-08 12:47:22 PM  
They just did what was BEST-AH, FOR THIS BUSINESS-AHH
www.wwe.com
 
2013-09-08 12:51:44 PM  
Inigo Montoya: You know, Fezzik, you finally did something right.
Fezzik: Don't worry, I won't let it go to my head.
 
2013-09-08 01:03:43 PM  
I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

It seems to me that the Olympics have also gotten bloated with alot of sports that are either obscure, or require little to no athletic ability, because of bids and politicking from the organizations that "organize" (i.e., make money off of) them.  Sad, really.
 
2013-09-08 01:06:55 PM  
Call me when they approve a real sport.
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2013-09-08 01:10:42 PM  
Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.
 
2013-09-08 01:25:23 PM  

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.
 
2013-09-08 01:28:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.
 
2013-09-08 01:34:40 PM  

simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.


Professionals can complete in everything but boxing, actually.  Summer and winter.  But it's really, really obvious in basketball and hockey.
 
2013-09-08 01:42:11 PM  

simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.


Yeah, but there at least the pros are much better distributed across the various teams, so it doesn't lead to stuff like the US beatng the shiat out of Angola by 60 points, like what happened with the original "Dream Team"
 
2013-09-08 02:54:39 PM  
The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).
 
2013-09-08 03:26:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


The IOC started allowing profession athletes to country the Communist block stranglehold on so many events. All of the Communist athletes were "amateurs"  given that there were no professional sports in those countries.

While it was annoying, it made sense from a fairness point of view.


Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

It seems to me that the Olympics have also gotten bloated with alot of sports that are either obscure, or require little to no athletic ability, because of bids and politicking from the organizations that "organize" (i.e., make money off of) them.  Sad, really.


Dont get me started. I play squash and enjoy professional squash. I would KILL to be able to go watch squash in the olympics. It would be amazing. Why the fark couldnt they have added all three?
Why do they have so many retarded events??

Squash could have been combined with Table Tennis, Tennis, Badminton and called racket sports. 
Baseball, softball, cricket, lacrosse, golf and croquet could have been combined into Stick and Ball Sports and left out or added as a group.
Wrestling, Judo, Taekwondo, Boxing and Fencing would be combined.
Basketball, football, football, rugby, bah you get the idea

BUT WTF is TRAMPOLINE?
Seriously, how is TRAMPOLINE and olympic event when all the rest are not?
I guess it appeals to ....
oh never mind

but this also explains why I never watch the olympics. farking nutters
 
2013-09-08 03:38:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.

Professionals can complete in everything but boxing, actually.  Summer and winter.  But it's really, really obvious in basketball and hockey.


LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.
 
2013-09-08 03:48:47 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Shooting, though? I'm iffy.


The shooting since 2009 in the modern pentathlon is the summer version of the biathlon (Skiing and Shooting), it is more about conditioning, muscle control and well rounded athleticism than it is about the actual act of shooting.  I like that aspect and I'm not sure if there is an alternate skill that could replace the shooting.
 
2013-09-08 03:52:36 PM  
There's a cap on events so as to not strain the host city even more than they already are. They hit a point at which they don't think they can reasonably ask more of them. That's why for something to be added, something else has to go. And by 'something', we're talking an entire category of event. To get rid of dressage so as to make room for squash, you must remove the entire equestrian discipline.

However, I would suggest dumping modern pentathlon instead. There is simply no point to that event except for it to be an Olympic discipline.
 
2013-09-08 04:03:33 PM  
Squash isn't a sport, it's a vegetable. Can't wait to see the Olympic smack down!!!
 
2013-09-08 04:08:58 PM  

jake_lex: simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.

Yeah, but there at least the pros are much better distributed across the various teams, so it doesn't lead to stuff like the US beatng the shiat out of Angola by 60 points, like what happened with the original "Dream Team"


The Dream Team is what inspired people over the world to play. Look at how close games are how
 
2013-09-08 04:10:41 PM  
I Say dump everything for which the Olympics isn't the most prestigious thing, e.g:
Golf, Tennis, Men's Soccer, Baseball, Rugby, Basketball, road cycling,

Keep women's soccer and softball.

And half the swimming events, which are inefficiently different. No one runs 100m, 200m and 400m, or 400m and 800m. Everyone doubles up at swimming, often with multiple strokes. Those "8 medals at a games" are always swimmers, and it devalues everyone else's medals.
 
2013-09-08 04:17:10 PM  

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


Until the NBA became international and the Draft Pool are a bunch of one-and-dones from college. Then it became interesting again.
 
2013-09-08 04:19:20 PM  
Oh, and the only women's Olympic sports should be those where women wear next to nothing or are skin tight, because your average Farker can beat any woman in any sport.

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-09-08 04:20:31 PM  

Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: Shooting, though? I'm iffy.

The shooting since 2009 in the modern pentathlon is the summer version of the biathlon (Skiing and Shooting), it is more about conditioning, muscle control and well rounded athleticism than it is about the actual act of shooting.  I like that aspect and I'm not sure if there is an alternate skill that could replace the shooting.


WITH LASERS PEW PEW PEW
 
2013-09-08 04:24:13 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


US vs Canada. Just book it and done.

/same with women's hockey
//oh yeah, they have to be in thongs and skate on jello
///grunt grunt grunt
 
2013-09-08 04:30:30 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.

Professionals can complete in everything but boxing, actually.  Summer and winter.  But it's really, really obvious in basketball and hockey.


What's the reason behind the boxing thing? Gambling?

That would make sense as I've always wondered about the lack of horse racing

/loves the ponies
 
2013-09-08 04:46:58 PM  

Hoban Washburne: The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).


Well, Tuesday they're voting on a new IOC president and I know one of the candidates have suggested cutting back on some events within sports in order to bring more sports in without adding too many athletes to the Games. So there's a chance that something like the horse dancing could get dumped for something like baseball.
 
2013-09-08 04:55:40 PM  

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


You're adorable.
 
2013-09-08 05:04:33 PM  

gtfan92: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

You're adorable.


Thanks. And what's with everybody wearing clothes? That's not how the original Olympics were played.
 
2013-09-08 05:06:31 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

US vs Canada. Just book it and done.


Russia, Finland, Sweden and the Czech Republic are all currently ranked higher than those two teams in IIHF play.  The US and Canada both field strong teams, but there's a lot of parity on top in ice hockey.  Any of those six could win in the Olympics without it being some sort of massive deal.
 
2013-09-08 05:15:23 PM  

The Smails Kid: Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: Shooting, though? I'm iffy.

The shooting since 2009 in the modern pentathlon is the summer version of the biathlon (Skiing and Shooting), it is more about conditioning, muscle control and well rounded athleticism than it is about the actual act of shooting.  I like that aspect and I'm not sure if there is an alternate skill that could replace the shooting.

WITH LASERS PEW PEW PEW


I know it is a joke, but lasers would take wind calculations out of the skill.
 
2013-09-08 05:23:03 PM  

Tom_Slick: The Smails Kid: Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: Shooting, though? I'm iffy.

The shooting since 2009 in the modern pentathlon is the summer version of the biathlon (Skiing and Shooting), it is more about conditioning, muscle control and well rounded athleticism than it is about the actual act of shooting.  I like that aspect and I'm not sure if there is an alternate skill that could replace the shooting.

WITH LASERS PEW PEW PEW

I know it is a joke, but lasers would take wind calculations out of the skill.



Modern Pentathlon really does use lasers now.

AND

Very few of the Olympic shooting disciplines require any wind reading skill (Men's and Women's 3P, Men's Prone - that's 3 out of 17 - and even for those 3, reading the wind but is a minor component of overall success).
 
2013-09-08 05:24:34 PM  
*is but*, not "but is"

/butt
//is butt
 
2013-09-08 05:35:49 PM  

simplicimus: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.


Those USSR teams that mopped the floor with everyone sure were "amateurs"
 
2013-09-08 06:33:53 PM  

Hoban Washburne: horse dancing was completely safe


www.refinedguy.com
 
2013-09-08 06:42:23 PM  
I will forever hold out hope for Ice Boxing, aka hockey fights as a organized sport.
 
2013-09-08 06:57:52 PM  

Hoban Washburne: The fact that farking horse dancing was completely safe while wrestling was on the chopping block shows that the entire IOC needs to be lined up and shot (with airsoft guns, let's not get crazy).


Man, I love your handle, but try horse dancing and you'll see why it's an Olympic sport. Also, try walking the day after. That'll feel like an Olympic effort, too.
I assume you're talking about dressage. Yeah, the required movements are dull. Freestyles? Not so much.

And what's wrong with a sport that requires all its very fit competitors to wear very tight pants?
 
2013-09-08 07:19:25 PM  
I don't get the hate against Baseball in the Olympics. It's played by well over a billion people in the world, is extremely popular on 3 continents, is rapidly gaining popularity as a youth sport in Australia, and is the second most popular sport in this hemisphere.

Hell, the MLB is nearly 30% international.
 
2013-09-08 07:22:53 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: I don't get the hate against Baseball in the Olympics. It's played by well over a billion people in the world, is extremely popular on 3 continents, is rapidly gaining popularity as a youth sport in Australia, and is the second most popular sport in this hemisphere.

Hell, the MLB is nearly 30% international.


That's the issue. MLB isn't willing to halt their season to let players play in the Olympics like the NHL does.
 
2013-09-08 07:37:46 PM  

simplicimus: Didn't know they did the same to hockey. Shame.


How could you not tell? One of the biggest clues was that Canada's winning it again.
 
2013-09-08 07:43:18 PM  

simplicimus: It's supposed to be about amateur athletes


Amateurism was purely a classist thing, not a commercialism thing. There's a story behind that:

The ancient Greeks' interpretation of professionalism was different than ours. They saw a professional as someone performing for money, not someone performing for pride, heart, or the honor and duty of representing his people. To them, professionals were scorned -- people chasing something much lower (money) than the lofty ideal of human perfection. In addition, it was reasoned that professionals could not be trusted. Like mercenaries, they held no loyalties and no convictions. They traversed to where the money was. Thus, amateurs only were permitted, to preserve the purity and sanctity of the Games.

In the modern era, professionalism and amatuerism was wrapped around a more practical and somewhat sleazier angle: It was to preserve the delicate social order of snobbish Victorian society. Invented in the mid-19th century for the emerging field sports of association football and Rugby, amateurism was classism straight-up. It was a way to prevent the upper classes from mingling -- much less competing -- with commoners, and the Olympics, the bastion of amateurism, reflected such aristocratic bias in making things habitually difficult for the working class to participate.

The modern Olympic definition of amateurism, vaguely defined and of British origin (not Greek), slowly began crumbling as the skill level of the Games and the standard for achievement escalated over the course of the 20th century into a full-time commitment. Moreover, Communist countries did not have any distinction between pro and amateur (everyone worked for the state), so they could always send their best which maintained a gross advantage over capitalist countries.

With the breaking down of the amateur/professional barriers in the last 20 years and the transforming of the Olympics into a "best against the best, bar none" affair, the whole controversy over amateurism has now become a sponsorship/commercialism thing. Despite the fact that the modern Olympics is one of the most commercial properties in the world.
 
2013-09-08 08:13:04 PM  
Trampoline's still an Olympic sport?

www.kayfabenews.com

Good.  Dennis Stamp's going for the gold, baby!
 
2013-09-08 08:42:47 PM  
It doesn't count as doing something right if you simply backtrack on something you did wrong in the first place.
 
2013-09-08 08:50:16 PM  

browser_snake: It doesn't count as doing something right if you simply backtrack on something you did wrong in the first place.


I think this is what they wanted all along.

FTA:
"Wrestling has shown great passion and resilience in the last few months," IOC president Jacques Rogge said. "They have taken a number of steps to modernize and improve their sport."

That's what the IOC wanted; modernization especially when it comes to women, not to get rid of it entirely, and that threat to do so was the kick in the butt they felt the wrestling federation needed to be more gender friendly and appetizing for TV.
 
2013-09-08 08:51:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.


The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.
 
2013-09-08 08:52:24 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.

US vs Canada. Just book it and done.

/same with women's hockey
//oh yeah, they have to be in thongs and skate on jello
///grunt grunt grunt


Women's hockey is just US and Canada.  Men's hockey, you have US, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, etc.
 
2013-09-08 09:14:21 PM  

meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.


I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.
 
2013-09-08 09:32:55 PM  
Mitt Romneys horse dancing was in but wrestling had to re-apply? I hate people in general, I really do,
 
2013-09-08 09:47:34 PM  
No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know
 
2013-09-08 09:50:54 PM  

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


Except with the international talent level where it is now the games are competitive. The US nearly lost in 2000 and did lose (to Argentina) in '04. This last Spanish team was much stronger on the interior than the US; their star point guard was hurt (an injury sustained in an NBA game) and they still only lost the gold medal game by 7. There was some terrific basketball in London; the days of opposing teams asking US players for autographs are long gone.

And like Ishkur notes upthread, modern "amateurism" was designed to exclude the working class, who couldn't afford to take weeks off to train (or travel, or equip themselves, or really do anything but work). Good riddance.
 
2013-09-08 10:02:19 PM  

simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.


Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.
 
2013-09-08 10:22:51 PM  

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


I have trouble with snowboarding being in too. No need to hedge it. That should be in the X-games.
 
2013-09-08 10:23:51 PM  

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.
 
2013-09-08 10:33:46 PM  

Twist2005: Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know

Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.


I'm not saying equestrian sports aren't real sports, but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism. That's why we don't have rally cars and F1 in the Olympics.
 
2013-09-08 10:33:54 PM  

Twist2005: Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know

Funny thing but pound-for-pound, top-level riders are great athletes. Throw in the complication of a 1300 lb partner who can kill you and it's both a mental and physical sport. Remember, in dressage the whole point is for your aids to be invisible. It SHOULD look like you're just sitting there.
Riders train and cross-train their whole lives for this; just like every other athlete out there. And they train their partners, too.


They sit on a horse.
 
2013-09-08 10:42:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.


Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.
 
2013-09-08 10:59:30 PM  
In its presentation, wrestling was quick to stake its position as a sport of the future, not the ancient past. "Wrestling is new in virtually every way,"

Does this mean we'll see a TLC match for the gold medal? Past Olympic gold medalists can be special guest referees.
 
2013-09-08 11:00:25 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.

Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.


I can't even imagine how to go about biathlon.  I'm a fair shot, but I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn after cross-country skiing all out.
 
2013-09-08 11:02:44 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Glockenspiel Hero: Benevolent Misanthrope: meanmutton: Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

The entire point of the modern pentathlon is to have a country's best cavalry soldiers compete with each other to see who was the best soldier in the world; hence, they compete in a competition of what cavalry soldiers would actually do -- shooting, sword fighting, riding, running, and swimming.

I know.  And to my mind that belongs in the Olympics, because it involves athletic skill.  But straight shooting is one thing I do wonder if the Olympics could get rid of.  And the aforementioned horse dancing.

Smallbore rifle is a lot more physical than you might think.  Try standing for long periods of time holding a 10+ pound rifle absolutely still and pulling the trigger in between hearbeats.  I ended up drenched in sweat every time.

Biathalon is even more insane- I can't imagine being able to hit squat after going all out physically.

I can't even imagine how to go about biathlon.  I'm a fair shot, but I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn after cross-country skiing all out.


I would be shaking like crazy after that kind of exertion.
 
2013-09-08 11:04:07 PM  
Kouvre:  I'm not saying equestrian sports aren't real sports, but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism. That's why we don't have rally cars and F1 in the Olympics.

Yet
 
2013-09-08 11:23:27 PM  

Kouvre: but the Olympics are a celebration and focus of HUMAN athleticism.


Umm, no.  They are a celebration of Zeus' majesty.  And this was a guy who boned women as a bull, a thundercloud, a pile of gold, and a swan - I'm not even sure Zeus farked anybody while human(-shaped).

/Man-whore had serious fetish issues
 
2013-09-08 11:29:04 PM  

Kouvre: No sport involving horses deserves to be in the olympics. Same with golf. Ditch that crap and you've suddenly got room for baseball/softball, squash, AND maybe even something unusual for the Olympics like skateboarding or even MMA.

/yeah, snowboarding, Winter Olympics, I know


Don't even think about Olympic MMA.  There is no way you could have good MMA in the tournament style needed for the Olympics.  Boxing works because you have big oversized gloves and helmets to keep people from getting cut.  Wrestling works because you aren't allowed to hit anyone.  Judo et. al. work because it is more about form than and tapping someone in the right spot to score a point than actually hurting anyone.

Let's just keep all of the fighting disciplines as they are in the Olympics to serve as a feeder system for good MMA.
 
2013-09-09 02:25:04 AM  
Golf & tennis have no business being in the Olympics.  Tennis has championship level play every year, everywhere. Same with golf. These could be traded for squash and softball.

MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

This is why I believe that the desire to make it 'easier' and more 'manageable' for a city to host the Olympics is bull. Cut tennis, which requires a specific type of venue, along with golf, which demands a lot of real estate? Mais non! Cut baseball/softball, which is played by over a billion people and is loved  on every continent except Europe? Mais oui!
 
2013-09-09 03:39:15 AM  

desertgeek: Well, Tuesday they're voting on a new IOC president and I know one of the candidates have suggested cutting back on some events within sports in order to bring more sports in without adding too many athletes to the Games. So there's a chance that something like the horse dancing could get dumped for something like baseball.


Baseball doesn't deserve to be in, really. The WBC is what best serves baseball, is conducted in nations that don't need to have the rules explained to them, and it runs at a time that minimizes inconvenience to its constituent nations. The Olympics runs in the middle of MLB's season and there is not an organization in the league that's going to let a single one of their players, major or minor league, go off to God knows where for two weeks in the middle of a pennant race. The college-player garbage was literally all the US was willing to send and they will do it again if baseball is reinstated. Which completely spits in the face of the best-athletes-on-Earth thing we're trying to have here.

If baseball is going to seriously return to the Olympics, they need to commit to putting all hands on deck at Olympics time. Robinson Cano needs to suit up. Clayton Kershaw needs to suit up. Justin Verlander needs to suit up. Miguel Cabrera needs to suit up. Mike Trout needs to suit up. And so on. The big guns are all going to need to put country over club to make it work. If they won't? The Olympics will kick them right back out again for not taking it seriously.
 
2013-09-09 04:12:02 AM  

gwowen: I Say dump everything for which the Olympics isn't the most prestigious thing, e.g:
Golf, Tennis, Men's Soccer, Baseball, Rugby, Basketball, road cycling,

Keep women's soccer and softball.

And half the swimming events, which are inefficiently different. No one runs 100m, 200m and 400m, or 400m and 800m. Everyone doubles up at swimming, often with multiple strokes. Those "8 medals at a games" are always swimmers, and it devalues everyone else's medals.


Olympic basketball is the most prestigious international completion in the sport. Until the FIBA championship becomes more relevant I don't see why you'd get rid of Olympic hoops. You'd have a legit case with soccer since the World Cup is such a big deal.
 
2013-09-09 08:08:45 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I never understood baseball/softball in the Olympics.  But then, I don't understand "Dancing With a Ribbon on a Stick" in the Olympics, either.  The Modern Pentathlon includes actual sports, so it seems logical to me.  Shooting, though?  I'm iffy.

It seems to me that the Olympics have also gotten bloated with alot of sports that are either obscure, or require little to no athletic ability, because of bids and politicking from the organizations that "organize" (i.e., make money off of) them.  Sad, really.


"dancing with a stick" is an event in gymnastics, not a whole other sport.  It is not keeping out baseball.

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

That's how I feel about Olympic men's hockey.


I could actually get really behind some limitations on the pros - think like they do in soccer where it is something like a U23 team with 3 older guys.  That may work in hockey now.  Basketball would probably skew too far back to USA, but maybe in the future.

namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.


That is boxing's call, not the IOC.
 
2013-09-09 08:59:40 AM  
Wrestling is boring.
 
2013-09-09 09:06:47 AM  

skinink: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.


This guy was a contrarian internet dork long before it became fashionable.  And why would you let one thing that you dont like ruin the entire thing for you?  Seems kinda dumb.
 
2013-09-09 09:15:52 AM  
www.olympicwrestle.com

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2013-09-09 09:34:53 AM  

bacongood: namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.

That is boxing's call, not the IOC.


hahahhahaah
WHY did I automatically assume that it was teh IOC keeping boxing out, and not the other way around?
So used to the IOC being the controlling voice.
 
2013-09-09 11:20:06 AM  
I'm not sure why they have a seemingly hard limit for the number of sports in the Olympics.  If it's a legit sport and has international participation, why exclude it?  Is there not enough money in the world to support a few more sports?

And while I'm kinda on the subject, how the fark is Butterfly an actual event?  It's difficult to think of a less efficient means of swimming.  And if butterfly is in, why aren't there medals for running backwards at 100, 200, 400 (etc) metres?
 
2013-09-09 11:30:52 AM  

namatad: bacongood: namatad: LOL
WHY would you exclude boxing? LOLOLOLOL
just another way that the IOC looks completely retarded.

That is boxing's call, not the IOC.

hahahhahaah
WHY did I automatically assume that it was teh IOC keeping boxing out, and not the other way around?
So used to the IOC being the controlling voice.


IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

Wrestling also requires amateurs, but I think that has more to do with there being no real professionals and keeping clear from the drugs associated with the WWE types.

I think everything else is open to professionals, assuming there are actually professionals in the sport.
 
2013-09-09 12:32:24 PM  

Khazar-Khum: Golf & tennis have no business being in the Olympics.  Tennis has championship level play every year, everywhere. Same with golf. These could be traded for squash and softball.

MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

This is why I believe that the desire to make it 'easier' and more 'manageable' for a city to host the Olympics is bull. Cut tennis, which requires a specific type of venue, along with golf, which demands a lot of real estate? Mais non! Cut baseball/softball, which is played by over a billion people and is loved  on every continent except Europe? Mais oui!


Do you have a source on this becasue you are saying baseball is played by one seventh of the population of the entire planet. That smells like bullshiat to me.
 
2013-09-09 01:03:12 PM  
Wrestling, no-Gi submission grappling, BJJ and Boxing should be sports, with a catch:

An athlete has to compete in every one. Total up the points in each weight class over the four disciplines, and hand out your medals.
 
2013-09-09 01:07:10 PM  

Gunny Highway: skinink: simplicimus: Basketball turned me off the Olympic games forever. It's supposed to be about amateur athletes, not some NBA all star team.

Oh c'mon. When the first Dream Team played in 1992, even the teams who were getting blown out of the games by the Americans were happy to play against them.

This guy was a contrarian internet dork long before it became fashionable.  And why would you let one thing that you dont like ruin the entire thing for you?  Seems kinda dumb.


You talking to me? Yeah, I can be a bit of a contrarian. As far as one sport ruining the entire thing, it wasn't so much the one thing as the abandonment of the illusion of amateur competition.
 
2013-09-09 04:02:14 PM  
Khazar-Khum:
MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

I mostly disagree. The European issue is a bit of a problem, but the bottom line as long as the summer olympics conflict with MLB Olympic baseball will never be more than an offbrand, minor tournament.

The Olympics isn't supposed to be a developmental league showcase.

 bacongood:
IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

FWIW amateur boxing is a substantively different sport from the pros, and it isn't just the headgear.
 
2013-09-09 04:59:20 PM  

Willas Tyrell: Khazar-Khum:
MLB not being willing to shut down play isn't as much of an issue as the fact that baseball isn't popular in the European countries which the IOC members call home.

I mostly disagree. The European issue is a bit of a problem, but the bottom line as long as the summer olympics conflict with MLB Olympic baseball will never be more than an offbrand, minor tournament.

The Olympics isn't supposed to be a developmental league showcase.

 bacongood:
IOC is corrupt, but so are all the boxing federations and they are constantly at war with each other.  I am not completely up to knowledge on it, but I assume the amateur requirement is a power grab by the international boxing federation against the professional organizations.

FWIW amateur boxing is a substantively different sport from the pros, and it isn't just the headgear.


Is it the shoes? I bet it's the shoes.
 
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