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2013-09-08 11:42:53 AM  
Really? Looked like a legal block to me.
 
2013-09-08 11:53:58 AM  
Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few.  That's how players get injured for life.
 
2013-09-08 12:00:03 PM  

clancifer: Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few.  That's how players get injured for life.


What, exactly, was the personal foul?  The guy was chasing the ball carrier, they were close to the ball, Bell got in a good shot to block...  I can't see that it was unnecessary roughness.  As a matter of fact, in the slo-mo, it looked to me like the defensive player took a dive.  Probably played alot of soccer in high school.

Fark it.  Corruption won't bring down football - it will be pansy-ass snowflakes who went through their school days wrapped in bubble wrap and can not believe someone would hit them.  And their helicopter parents who sue the school on their behalf, because they chose to participate in a dangerous sport.
 
2013-09-08 12:23:14 PM  

clancifer: Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few. That's how players get injured for life.


So, you really know absolutely nothing about football, correct?
 
2013-09-08 12:23:32 PM  
He should have run alongside him and asked him to kindly stop pursuing the ball carrier.
 
2013-09-08 12:29:22 PM  

panfried: He should have run alongside him and asked him to kindly stop pursuing the ball carrier.


And asked him to hold his purse.
 
2013-09-08 12:31:22 PM  
Disgusting call. That ref should never work again.
 
2013-09-08 12:37:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: clancifer: Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few.  That's how players get injured for life.

What, exactly, was the personal foul?  The guy was chasing the ball carrier, they were close to the ball, Bell got in a good shot to block...  I can't see that it was unnecessary roughness.  As a matter of fact, in the slo-mo, it looked to me like the defensive player took a dive.  Probably played alot of soccer in high school.

Fark it.  Corruption won't bring down football - it will be pansy-ass snowflakes who went through their school days wrapped in bubble wrap and can not believe someone would hit them.  And their helicopter parents who sue the school on their behalf, because they chose to participate in a dangerous sport.


Yes, because most rational parents want their kids engaging in activities that can injure them, with permanent brain damage as the major attraction.

(Of course, this doesn't apply in the US Southeast, where brain damage is celebrated).
 
2013-09-08 12:54:06 PM  

bronyaur1: Benevolent Misanthrope: clancifer: Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few.  That's how players get injured for life.

What, exactly, was the personal foul?  The guy was chasing the ball carrier, they were close to the ball, Bell got in a good shot to block...  I can't see that it was unnecessary roughness.  As a matter of fact, in the slo-mo, it looked to me like the defensive player took a dive.  Probably played alot of soccer in high school.

Fark it.  Corruption won't bring down football - it will be pansy-ass snowflakes who went through their school days wrapped in bubble wrap and can not believe someone would hit them.  And their helicopter parents who sue the school on their behalf, because they chose to participate in a dangerous sport.

Yes, because most rational parents want their kids engaging in activities that can injure them, with permanent brain damage as the major attraction.


Ummmm... yeah, they seem to.  School football is still popular in the US.  If I had kids, there's no way in hell I would allow them to play football.  It's a dangerous sport, and there's not a helmet or pads out there that can keep a kid's head and neck protected.  They can play other sports.

If someone chooses to play a dangerous sport, though, they should not be surprised when they get hit.  And if you play college football, you sure as hell should not be surprised when you get hit.
 
2013-09-08 12:54:22 PM  

bronyaur1: Yes, because most rational parents want their kids engaging in activities that can injure them, with permanent brain damage as the major attraction.


Going outside is highly overrated.
 
2013-09-08 12:57:35 PM  
Well it's no longer allowed in the NFL either. Gotta get them used to the rules.
 
2013-09-08 01:01:33 PM  
Holy farking cum sucking christ that was a HORRIBLE call and part of the reason why I can barely even have football on the tv anymore.  The defender was like 2 steps behind the ball carrier and he got blocked.  farking penalty?  Eat a goddamn dick, modern football.
 
2013-09-08 01:17:48 PM  
Bad call, it looked like a completely legal hit.  He led with his shoulder, not his helmet, and he hit him right in the chest where he's supposed to.  The refs overreacted.
 
2013-09-08 01:33:09 PM  
This was last season?
 
2013-09-08 01:45:56 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Bad call, it looked like a completely legal hit.  He led with his shoulder, not his helmet, and he hit him right in the chest where he's supposed to.  The refs overreacted.


Exactly.  But you gotta give style points to Smith - I'm pretty sure he took a dive there.  I could be wrong, but it looks to me like he definitely pushed of with his right foot when he was hit
 
2013-09-08 02:37:02 PM  
Uh.  Helmet to helmet?  Duh?

Am I missing something here?
 
2013-09-08 02:39:52 PM  
Why are we seeing a clip from last year?
 
2013-09-08 02:41:05 PM  

dartben: Why are we seeing a clip from last year?


Because subby is a farking idiot.

/subby
 
2013-09-08 02:42:15 PM  
Hines Ward nods, goes back to training for his next triathlon.
 
2013-09-08 02:42:21 PM  
But, but, but ... that hit looked awfully vicious.  It sent chills down the spine of anyone who watched it.  Because, it's all about what things look and feel like, not what's legal and illegal.
 
2013-09-08 02:46:24 PM  
Not sure if the offender launched himself and that drew the foul, or the ref reacted to the seemingly blind hit that made a great sound, and they figured the player was defenseless.
 
2013-09-08 02:47:31 PM  

Dafatone: Uh.  Helmet to helmet?  Duh?

Am I missing something here?


Um, apparently you are.  He hit him so much with his shoulder that it's technically bad form (though quite effective in this case).
 
2013-09-08 02:50:48 PM  
Apparently subs (and the alleged "blocker") has missed the whole concussions hoopla in the NCAA and NFL not to mention evolving rules on helmet to helmet contact.
 
2013-09-08 02:59:13 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Bad call, it looked like a completely legal hit.  He led with his shoulder, not his helmet, and he hit him right in the chest where he's supposed to.  The refs overreacted.


THIS.  The blocker did everything by the book.  Maybe because of the speed and strength of these players, enhanced by space-age shoes and turf, and pads, etc. the old techniques are too dangerous.  But then it's not football anymore.

/football fan
//old
///hates to see the game get too soft
////also hates to see kids get hurt
 
2013-09-08 03:01:16 PM  

harleyquinnical: Not sure if the offender launched himself and that drew the foul, or the ref reacted to the seemingly blind hit that made a great sound, and they figured the player was defenseless.


He didn't leave his feet, he didn't launch himself, it was from the front, and it wasn't helmet-to-helmet.

There was nothing at all wrong with that block that would warrant a penalty.
 
2013-09-08 03:02:21 PM  

edmo: Apparently subs (and the alleged "blocker") has missed the whole concussions hoopla in the NCAA and NFL not to mention evolving rules on helmet to helmet contact.


Except that the hit was clean, shoulder to chest, and the helmets touching was incidental to the blow. The reverse angle slow-mo makes it look bad, I agree, but the front angle shows a clean shot that would get him a spot on most hockey teams in the country if the kid can skate worth a darn. The flag was reaction to the (willfully) "blind" nature of the hit - if the corner hadn't been so target fixated he'd have easily seen the WR coming and wouldn't have taken nearly so devestating a hit.

Awful call.
 
2013-09-08 03:08:05 PM  
Completely legit hit. Hopefully the defender will learn his lesson and keep his eyes open next time.
 
2013-09-08 03:08:27 PM  

panfried: He should have run alongside him and asked him to kindly stop pursuing the ball carrier.


Should have shot him.
 
2013-09-08 03:08:43 PM  

Do not hit with the helmet.  Is that too difficult to understand.

it's not dont lead with the the helmet, or don't hit helmet-to-helmet, it's "DON'T HIT WITH THE HELMET". "DON'T MAKE CONTACT ABOVE THE SHOULDER"

The NCAA has defined the rules clearly. Officials will look for players who initiate above-the-shoulder contact with a defenseless player using the crown of their helmet, forearm, elbow or shoulder. An emphasis is being put on players who launch themselves, thrusting upward or leaving their feet to hit the head or neck.

Helmet-to-helmet is an ejection. Hitting with/to the helmet is a roughness penalty. You wouldn't lead with your head, don't lead with your helmet. Use your pads.

Learn to tackle.

 
2013-09-08 03:11:47 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Dafatone: Uh.  Helmet to helmet?  Duh?

Am I missing something here?

Um, apparently you are.  He hit him so much with his shoulder that it's technically bad form (though quite effective in this case).


well, watch the slo mo part.  he lowered then raised his body into him.  he led with his shoulder but definitely hit helmet to helmet.  yeah, it's legal, but the helmet-to-helmet part was why the ref called it.  to me, college football's a sham anyway but the force of that blindside was excessive for the desired outcome.
 
2013-09-08 03:12:22 PM  

clancifer: Personal foul like that and Bell should be out for the remainder of the game, and perhaps the next few.  That's how players get injured for life.


Bullshiat.  That was a legitimate block where he used his shoulder...the other guy should have his head on a swivel and be paying attention to what might be coming at him.  Learn the rules before you spout off.  We're still a year or 2 away from flag football, but until then; that has been and will be, a legal block.
 
2013-09-08 03:14:23 PM  
he could have laid a block there without lowering the boom.  he blasted him with everything he had
 
2013-09-08 03:14:46 PM  
It's the blokers responsibility to ensure there's no helmet-to-helmet contact. He failed to do so, it was carelessness rather than intent, but  res ipsa loquitor
 
2013-09-08 03:17:52 PM  
ITT: People who don't play any sports claim their favorite sport (a sport they don't play) is being ruined.

Benevolent Misanthrope: If someone chooses to play a dangerous sport, though, they should not be surprised when they get hit. And if you play college football, you sure as hell should not be surprised when you get hit.


Step 1: "ALL THE ATHLETES SHOULD GO TO FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES"
Step 2: Players pursue a dangerous sport, whether by own choice or by parents shuffling them into the sport, sometimes against their own will.
Step 3: "WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER WHEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE UP FOOTBALL"
Step 4: lol
 
2013-09-08 03:18:27 PM  
Destroyer at the end of the video. Well done.
 
2013-09-08 03:22:47 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ITT: People who don't play any sports claim their favorite sport (a sport they don't play) is being ruined.

Benevolent Misanthrope: If someone chooses to play a dangerous sport, though, they should not be surprised when they get hit. And if you play college football, you sure as hell should not be surprised when you get hit.

Step 1: "ALL THE ATHLETES SHOULD GO TO FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES"
Step 2: Players pursue a dangerous sport, whether by own choice or by parents shuffling them into the sport, sometimes against their own will.
Step 3: "WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER WHEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE UP FOOTBALL"
Step 4: lol


It's not about them not being intelligent enough to make decisions for themselves.  There's no minor league for football, and players straight out of high school aren't well enough developed physically to handle the NFL.  College football has a lot of proud traditions, and it does give a lot of student athletes an opportunity for a better education that they might not have otherwise.  The vast majority of players will never make the NFL, so taking advantage of the free education to have a career path to follow is a smart idea.

Kids who are playing against their will because their parents want them to aren't going to end up on division 1 rosters very often, if there is even a worthwhile number of them to worry about in the first place.
 
2013-09-08 03:23:28 PM  

The Flexecutioner: he lowered then raised his body into him.


Huh?  Is that a bad thing now?  That's just basic technique.

The Flexecutioner: he led with his shoulder but definitely hit helmet to helmet.


You and I are seeing two entirely different things.  The blocker's entire shoulder and arm end up between him and the defender.  If there was any helmet touching (which I haven't clearly seen) it was entirely incidental.  Basically, if you wanted to throw a flag any times helmets touched, there would be countless penalties at the line of scrimmage every single play.
 
2013-09-08 03:24:14 PM  
It is a (borderline) illegal move for two reasons: 1. Helmet to helmet. Yes the shoulder made contact with the chest first, but the helmets did collide. and 2. He launched at the defensive player. If you see on the slow motion, he clearly changed from a running motion to a jumping motion prior to contact and both feet left the ground.

In the past it would have been fine; but with the new safety consciousness, I can see the call.
 
2013-09-08 03:25:18 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Basically, if you wanted to throw a flag any times helmets touched, there would be countless penalties at the line of scrimmage every single play.


Which, somewhat ironically, is where much of the damage that people are so worried about actually occurs.
 
2013-09-08 03:26:39 PM  

ltdanman44: he could have laid a block there without lowering the boom.  he blasted him with everything he had


Basic physics. Try to follow.

Two large fellows running towards each other. Force is doubled when they hit.
 
2013-09-08 03:27:42 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ITT: People who don't play any sports claim their favorite sport (a sport they don't play) is being ruined.


People loudly denouncing "what football has become" while continuing to watch just as often as ever
 
2013-09-08 03:28:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The vast majority of players will never make the NFL, so taking advantage of the free education to have a career path to follow is a smart idea.


I think you missed my point.  All I hear is how college athletes are not qualified to make life decisions and should therefore go to college, but in adopting a dangerous sport well before that point, according to this thread, "they should have known better".
 
2013-09-08 03:29:16 PM  

Sliding Carp: Which, somewhat ironically, is where much of the damage that people are so worried about actually occurs.


YES.  There are studies suggesting that it's not necessarily the big hits but the repetitive "small" collisions that happen every single play that really damage your brain.  Imagine a boxer going 12 rounds and getting peppered in the face the entire time vs. getting one clean shot to the chin in the second and being knocked out.  For the record, I'm all for rules to make the game safer, but they should be clear and logical, not "Oh he hit him hard!" because that's just a normal part of the game.
 
2013-09-08 03:31:41 PM  

Mike_LowELL: TuteTibiImperes: The vast majority of players will never make the NFL, so taking advantage of the free education to have a career path to follow is a smart idea.

I think you missed my point.  All I hear is how college athletes are not qualified to make life decisions and should therefore go to college, but in adopting a dangerous sport well before that point, according to this thread, "they should have known better".


I've never heard the argument that college athletes aren't qualified to make life decisions, who are you talking to?
 
2013-09-08 03:31:48 PM  

ElwoodCuse: People loudly denouncing "what football has become" while continuing to watch just as often as ever


I can't wait when technology fundamentally obsoletes the concept of sports.  The cognitive dissonance is going to be incredible.
 
2013-09-08 03:32:31 PM  

PainfulItching: ltdanman44: he could have laid a block there without lowering the boom.  he blasted him with everything he had

Basic physics. Try to follow.

Two large fellows running towards each other. Force is doubled when they hit.


and if fellow 1 stays away from the head of fellow 2 (like every rugby player does all the time, because there are no helmets and no-one wants to be knocked unconscious every week) then everything's fine.
 
2013-09-08 03:33:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I've never heard the argument that college athletes aren't qualified to make life decisions, who are you talking to?


"IF YOU DON'T GO TO SCHOOL FOR FOUR THE FULL FOUR YEARS YOU'RE DOING YOURSELF A DISSERVICE AND YOU WON'T BE MATURE ENOUGH FOR THE NEXT LEVEL", and so forth.
 
2013-09-08 03:37:28 PM  
That's the kind of cheap blindside hit that earned Hines Ward his label as a tough guy.
 
2013-09-08 03:37:54 PM  

Mike_LowELL: TuteTibiImperes: I've never heard the argument that college athletes aren't qualified to make life decisions, who are you talking to?

"IF YOU DON'T GO TO SCHOOL FOR FOUR THE FULL FOUR YEARS YOU'RE DOING YOURSELF A DISSERVICE AND YOU WON'T BE MATURE ENOUGH FOR THE NEXT LEVEL", and so forth.


Skipping the opportunity for a free education is doing yourself a disservice, even if you make the NFL your career may peter out early on, and it makes sense to have a degree that you can fall back on.  That doesn't have anything to do with being too immature to make life decisions.

The arguments about maturity at the next level are mainly in terms of physical maturity and understanding of the game, not emotional/mental maturity.  Players build a lot of muscle mass over their college careers and learn the most about fine tuning their skills and playing their positions through the coaches at the college level.

It's not that a guy out of high school couldn't make the decision to play in the NFL and understand what he was doing, it's that he'd be eaten alive on the field by larger, stronger, more experience players.
 
2013-09-08 03:47:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Skipping the opportunity for a free education is doing yourself a disservice, even if you make the NFL your career may peter out early on, and it makes sense to have a degree that you can fall back on. That doesn't have anything to do with being too immature to make life decisions.


My original post was addressing the audience that claims people who are supposedly going to college so they can learn how to make intelligent decisions are supposed to have the wherewithal to recognize that football is dangerous and that they can make a conscious choice to stop playing it, because it doesn't work that way, ever.
 
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