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2013-09-08 04:14:43 PM
4 votes:

06Wahoo: For all the talk from people who hate that the new Trek films are nothing like what Gene Rodenberry wanted, a Section 31 series would be this times ten. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a great concept for a few episodes, but it is the very antithesis of the message Star Trek sent (peaceful Federation, above being uncivilized), and quite frankly, I think it would wear thin fairly quickly. Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.


The producer/creator for Deep Space Nine deliberately made his show to be the anti-Star Trek and all it's kum-bay-ya galactic touchy-feelyness. A rough part of the quadrant involving a planet struggling to rebuild after a brutal occupation, religion in politics, coupled with the threat of a powerful empire on the other side of the wormhole. Sisko's speech about Earth being like a Paradise but DS9 's being "far far away from Paradise" was the show's core.

Case in point, the BEST Trek episode of the entire franchise: "In The Pale Moonlight"

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2013-09-08 07:27:13 PM
2 votes:
I still want a new show featuring Voyager's Doctor and Elim Garak.

Call it Snark Trek.

/You can't handle the sarcasm
2013-09-08 03:39:18 PM
2 votes:
I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.

Make it so!
2013-09-08 02:30:49 PM
2 votes:
Benevolent Misanthrope:  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.

I see a problem with this premise.  Actually, a few.

1) Location, Location, Location.
"To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life, new civilizations..." Starfleet Academy would be the dryest possible place for ongoing storytelling I can imagine. One location, under Highly controlled military conditions. I don't know how well you remember your college years, but based on my experience you couldn't make an interesting commercial out of the whole thing, much less a series. In a matter of episodes, you have Space Harry Potter, who discovers some arc of conspiracy in the faculty.

They did this once, a LONG time ago - "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet." It was an interesting enough show for its time, and I'd really suggest you dig it up - it's fun, in a nostalgic way. But they were working in a universe where the Unknown started just outside of Earth's atmosphere. Pirates based on the moon, etc. In the Star Trek universe, Earth is dead center of the Federation - they probably have Ikea stores on the moon. To get the cadets anywhere testing, they'd have to get Waaay outside of our solar system, into something really unknown... which they wouldn't, because it's Starfleet, and they are cadets. They don't even get close to anyplace interesting until they graduate and are assigned to some soft-duty position to get their space legs.

Same Old, Same Old
Deep Space Nine suffered because it was stuck in one place - people came, people went, but there they were, stuck in a station. They went to monumental lengths to try to break that monotony. Space Gods in the wormhole, an invasion by Odo's people, bickering with the Cardassians... going back in time, visiting grandpa, Worf's kid...

And again, Starfleet Academy is San Francisco. Earth. Nobody's getting close to bickering, attacking, God bothering. So you end up locked in a soap opera. There's no sense of danger there. It's a day care center in uniforms. The mountain doesn't come to Mohammad; for a steady flow of new situations, you need to go to them, not wait for them to come to you.
2013-09-08 11:52:04 AM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.


By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.
2013-09-08 11:07:36 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Brick-House:


Ralph McQuarrie's original concept of the Enterprise refit. Much more impressive than the Andrew Probert version they decided on.:


Um no, actually it's not.
2013-09-08 08:15:35 PM
1 votes:
Been showing my wife 'Deep Space Nine' and she's loving it, we just finished "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" last night.  I figured out why I liked Deep Space Nine over the other Treks.  In Deep Space Nine they were allowed to be real characters.  They didn't always get along.  They argued, they disagreed, Sisko yelled quite a bit.  When Roddenberry was in control he believed that humans didn't grieve for the dead.  In Deep Space Nine, when Jadzia died they spend three months grieving for her loss.  Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.  In DS9, Sisko yelled at his staff, took failures personally, while grieving for his dead wife told Picard that he met him once on the battlefield: Wolf 359.  After Picard recovered from the Borg, he went back to duty.  Hell, looking at Ben and Jake, they look like a real father and son.  Beverly and Wesley never looked like a real mother and son.

Eventually Star Trek will return to television, and when it does, I hope they model the show after DS9 more than the other Trek series.
2013-09-08 07:39:12 PM
1 votes:
The important thing about the original Trek is that they had first class Sci Fi heavyweights writing for them. Blish, Fontana, Gerrold, all wrote hard sci-fi instead of pulp. The orginal pilot ("The Cage") holds up damned well today, almost 50 years later. Te story, not the FX, but Trek was about the story and people, not the action.


/Trekker since 1968
//Have a replica agonizer from "Mirror, Mirror", so don't fark with me.
2013-09-08 05:19:17 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: They did that. It was called "Dark Skies"


I faintly remember knowing about that show, but I never watched it. Is it worth a watch?

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Did anyone else like the Star Trek cartoon? I used to love watching that when I was a kid(along with the Planet of the Apes cartoon).
2013-09-08 04:08:45 PM
1 votes:
Keep in mind that despite him creating the show, Roddenberry wasn't always the one with good decisions. He actually fought against Paramount's idea to introduce the Borg into the series, calling Borg "a bunch of robot men"* and derided Wrath of Khan as "Horatio Hornblower in Space".

* The original Borg concept was for them to be an insectoid race (ergo the "hive mentality"), but I guess Rick Berman caught an old Dr Who Cybermen episode on TV one night.
2013-09-08 04:02:56 PM
1 votes:

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.


Roddenberry is contradictory on this. The Prime Directive is supposed to provide guidance for captains when they're too far away from the nearest star base to ask an admiral for advice, and at the end of the day, while Kirk would bend a rule or two, he wouldn't stray too far.

What you're describing was more or less done with Battlestar Galactica, where for the sake of survival, lots of immoral choices were made.

That's what Voyager should have been -- Janeway should have broken a lot of rules, and in the series finale, gets back to earth and is put on trial for violating the Prime Directive, pitting Roddenbery's utopian ideas vs the real world.
2013-09-08 03:53:18 PM
1 votes:
Brick-House:
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Ralph McQuarrie's original concept of the Enterprise refit. Much more impressive than the Andrew Probert version they decided on.:

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2013-09-08 03:46:18 PM
1 votes:

Bludyard: I can't remember if I read this idea here or if I made it up, but I think a new Trek show should be set on an all-Vulcan crew, in a Vulcan ship.  And have completely ridiculous over the top things happen to them every week, which, being Vulcans, they react to in unemotional, stoic ways.  In other words, a total deadpan comedy.


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2013-09-08 03:02:09 PM
1 votes:
FrancoFile: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

I believe one of the phrases he used in pitching it, or in a story guide, was "Horatio Hornblower in space"


You are indeed correct, sir.  Bonus points for remembering that one.  Most folks remember the more commonly repeated pitch of 'Wagon Train to the Stars'.

Gene had read the Hornblower books and was somehat the fan of them.  He wanted a show that had the same sort of situation.

Interesting guy - Bomber pilot in WWII, commercial airline pilot after the war, spent time as a cop in LA.  Wish I could find his first show, 'The Lieutenant'.

People nowadays tend to delight in trumpeting the man's flaws, which have come to light more recently, as though anything worthwhile done by someone who is not perfect in every way does not count, somehow.  Bah.  He was human, all of us have our dark sides and our sins (I know all too well from my own personal experience).  More to his credit that he tried to shoot for something better, to lift mankind's sight up from its feet to the far horizons, despite his faults.
2013-09-08 02:37:49 PM
1 votes:
Seriously, Geek to Geek, I hope JJ Abrams gets Lou Gehrig's disease...

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2013-09-08 02:29:35 PM
1 votes:
I want to see Das Boot in space
2013-09-08 02:24:04 PM
1 votes:
For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

For me, the more modern scripts tend to go back to Earth, or into the heart of the Federation, way too frequently.  Nothing really wrong with that, and you can tell good stories that way - but I don't think these necessarily *have* been really good stories.  At, least, for my taste.  YMMV.  I'd rather see the ship way out back of beyond, with nothing but their own resources to rely on.  They're supposed to be explorers pushing the frontiers, and as close as they seem to be to home, they come off more like beat cops on the corner.

Other pet peeves, while I'm at it - the first movies were so damn dark (lighting) that the Enterprise looked like it forgot to pay the light bill.  Then we went from that to so damn much much shine, glare, and lens flare it looked like a parody of an Apple store.  This is a quasi-military vessel - lighting levels will be set for comfort and effiency of the crew.  And can we *please* go at least one movie without destroying the damn ship?  Who's running this operations - O'Bannon Spacelines?  (reference to Dan's propensity for destroying his ships - Dark Star, Alien, etc.)

/Plus, Ghod! do I miss Gene's penchant for running his stories past actual scientists and engineers and *listening* to their feedback!
2013-09-08 02:22:14 PM
1 votes:
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2013-09-08 01:59:57 PM
1 votes:

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


I pictured that being said with a retainer in your mouth.
2013-09-08 01:57:49 PM
1 votes:

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Get over it. Most fans really know that he doesn't say it, but it's going to be almost impossible to erase the phrase from pop culture. You'll be much better off if you stop being an assburgers case over it and relax. Aproach it like Cliff from Cheers and when you hear someone say it just mention it as a bit of trivia instead of getting all nerd rage over it and making the rest of the fanbase look like socially stunted ass burgers.
2013-09-08 01:57:27 PM
1 votes:

FrancoFile: NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)

One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

/obligatory
//if not, it should be
2013-09-08 01:47:17 PM
1 votes:
Star Trek Online is the new Trek show for me. It's set in the old timeline and has plenty of episodes/missions to bring back nostalgia for nostalgia's sake.
2013-09-08 01:25:06 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)


One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.
2013-09-08 12:31:49 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.

No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.


You say that like it's a bad thing. ;-)
2013-09-08 11:54:04 AM
1 votes:
Beth: This is just like that episode of Star Trek when they entered a parallel universe where everything was the same except they were all on heroin.

Dave: There was no such episode.

Jimmy: Geek test two!
2013-09-08 11:50:55 AM
1 votes:
Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.
2013-09-08 11:21:51 AM
1 votes:
Jimmy James: Well, beam me up, Slappy!

Dave Nelson: Actually, that's Scottie.

Jimmy James: Geek test!
2013-09-08 11:19:41 AM
1 votes:
I watched that very first episode

/beam off of my lawn
 
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