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(Space.com)   These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise, whose ongoing mission began 47 years ago today. Beam me up, Scotty   (space.com) divider line 118
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2013-09-08 10:49:29 AM  
Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.
 
2013-09-08 11:14:12 AM  
He's dead, Jim.
 
2013-09-08 11:19:41 AM  
I watched that very first episode

/beam off of my lawn
 
2013-09-08 11:21:51 AM  
Jimmy James: Well, beam me up, Slappy!

Dave Nelson: Actually, that's Scottie.

Jimmy James: Geek test!
 
2013-09-08 11:37:49 AM  
Nice timeline. Star Trek I was followed by Star Trek III.
 
2013-09-08 11:50:48 AM  
 
2013-09-08 11:50:55 AM  
Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.
 
2013-09-08 11:52:04 AM  

DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.


By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.
 
2013-09-08 11:52:38 AM  
Star_Trek:_Renegades: This could be a stop-gap for fans.
 
2013-09-08 11:54:04 AM  
Beth: This is just like that episode of Star Trek when they entered a parallel universe where everything was the same except they were all on heroin.

Dave: There was no such episode.

Jimmy: Geek test two!
 
2013-09-08 11:56:32 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.
 
2013-09-08 12:01:04 PM  
"The Man Trap" is one of my favorite Trek episodes from any of the series.
"Stop thinking with your glands!"
 
2013-09-08 12:06:25 PM  

HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.


No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.
 
2013-09-08 12:31:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.

No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.


You say that like it's a bad thing. ;-)
 
2013-09-08 12:50:16 PM  

HighOnCraic: Benevolent Misanthrope: HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.

No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.

You say that like it's a bad thing. ;-)


LULZ
 
2013-09-08 01:10:35 PM  
Star Drek. Done in 1975 by the dude best known for Monster Mash.

/don't have a spaz, Snotty
 
2013-09-08 01:25:06 PM  

NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)


One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.
 
2013-09-08 01:44:25 PM  

olddeegee: Star_Trek:_Renegades: This could be a stop-gap for fans.


Eh, the idea isn't bad, but I could see such a show going off the rails pretty quick turning it from Trek to a BSG clone. At this point if there were to be a new Trek Series, I'm thinking a Mirror Universe series would really be the answer. Make the majority of humanity be the bad guy and do it from the perspective of say the Vulcans or maybe Klingons.
 
2013-09-08 01:45:15 PM  
 
2013-09-08 01:47:17 PM  
Star Trek Online is the new Trek show for me. It's set in the old timeline and has plenty of episodes/missions to bring back nostalgia for nostalgia's sake.
 
2013-09-08 01:52:10 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


I am still looking forward to a Captain Worf show (no matter what happened after he saved Dax instead of that Cardassian defector), I just hope Michael Dorn can get it to occur.
 
2013-09-08 01:53:21 PM  
Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.
 
2013-09-08 01:55:47 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Correct.
 
2013-09-08 01:56:11 PM  
 
2013-09-08 01:57:27 PM  

FrancoFile: NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)

One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

/obligatory
//if not, it should be
 
2013-09-08 01:57:49 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Get over it. Most fans really know that he doesn't say it, but it's going to be almost impossible to erase the phrase from pop culture. You'll be much better off if you stop being an assburgers case over it and relax. Aproach it like Cliff from Cheers and when you hear someone say it just mention it as a bit of trivia instead of getting all nerd rage over it and making the rest of the fanbase look like socially stunted ass burgers.
 
2013-09-08 01:59:57 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


I pictured that being said with a retainer in your mouth.
 
2013-09-08 02:01:18 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: I watched that very first episode

/beam off of my lawn


Yup.  I was there, too.  I was 12 years old - the perfect age to experience the awe and wonder.

If you (or anyone, for that matter) want to recapture what those early days were like - in context, rather than the somewhat-revisionist stuff that came out much later - I can recommend several books:

'The Making of Star Trek', by Stephen E. Whitfield (worked for AMT on the original Enterprise model kit, got a lot of access to the crew and cast while TOS was in production);

'The World of Star Trek' and 'The Trouble with Tribbles', by David Gerrold (a look at the show in general, also written while the show was in production, and an in-depth look at the evolution of one episode);

'On the Good Ship Enterprise: My 15 Years with Star Trek', by Bjo Trimble (a pre-eminent fan who also had extensive access to the studio, cast, and crew while TOS was in production.  Interesting semi-outsider viewpoint.  She was one of the principal architects of the mailing campaign that resulted in the reversal of the decision to cancel TOS after the second season.  Also had a big hand in the creation of the souvenirs and collectibles marketing.  Lots of fascinating anecdotes in this one.)
 
2013-09-08 02:03:34 PM  

olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.


I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.
 
2013-09-08 02:04:17 PM  

thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.


Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P
 
2013-09-08 02:05:23 PM  

stamped human bacon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

/obligatory
//if not, it should be


This is one of my favorite bits from Futurama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRygZ-0nPAo
 
2013-09-08 02:05:38 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


I heard a while back that J. Michael Straczynski had an idea for a Star Trek reboot as a series.  Wish I still had a link to the writeup - it sounded *damn* good.  Looking at B5, and what he did for Spider-Man, FF, and Thor while he was on them, I would have *dearly* loved to have seen him turned loose on Trek with a free hand.
 
2013-09-08 02:05:59 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And what premise?


They should do one that focuses on Klingons. Or a Borg invasion of Dominion space.
 
2013-09-08 02:08:30 PM  
 
2013-09-08 02:09:11 PM  
According to very important men such as Orci and Abrams none of that shiat will ever happen.
 
2013-09-08 02:11:16 PM  

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


Dammit that's exactly what I was going to say.
To be honest what I'd really like is for them to continue Enterprise, they were heading toward some pretty interesting storylines before the ax came down.

I would have liked to see more of Shran and how the Andorian's came to be part of Starfleet. And I would have liked to have seen more of the Vulcans coming to terms with their corrupt government. I would have loved to see Starfleet interacting with the Romulans more.
 
2013-09-08 02:11:22 PM  
1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Quite true, as many others here have said.  And Rick Blaine never said 'Play it again, Sam'.  We know, and it's unfortunate that these misstatements have become cemented into the popular culture.  But we love Star Trek, and Casablanca, and these catch phrases have for better or worse become shorthand tags for beloved cultural icons.

/McCoy, on the other hand, had quite the laundry list, starting with 'What am I, a *Doctor*, or a Moon Shuttle Conductor?'
 
2013-09-08 02:13:35 PM  
Wasn't there talk about a Sulu TV show?
 
2013-09-08 02:14:29 PM  
I personally liked Enterprise. I would like a show between it and TOS. Make it abroad the first Starfleet vessel manned by multiple races. Human, Telerite, Andoran, and Vulcan. With Jeffery Combs as Sharn
 
2013-09-08 02:21:35 PM  

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


We already know what happened to Enterprise B and Enterprise C, so it would have to be a non-Enterprise ship.  I dunno how well it would sell without a gimmick like Voyager's "lost in the ghetto" or DS9's "it's like Trek, except we ain't moving."
 
2013-09-08 02:22:14 PM  
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2013-09-08 02:22:34 PM  

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


Touhce, and that's a problem with the reboot -- they go to the trouble of creating an alternate timeline only to bring back the same villains.

Obviously it just comes down to having good writers.

While I doubt Ron Moore will ever come back to Trek, he's the kind of veteran writer a new series needs. Ditto to Ira Steven Behr.
 
2013-09-08 02:24:04 PM  
For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

For me, the more modern scripts tend to go back to Earth, or into the heart of the Federation, way too frequently.  Nothing really wrong with that, and you can tell good stories that way - but I don't think these necessarily *have* been really good stories.  At, least, for my taste.  YMMV.  I'd rather see the ship way out back of beyond, with nothing but their own resources to rely on.  They're supposed to be explorers pushing the frontiers, and as close as they seem to be to home, they come off more like beat cops on the corner.

Other pet peeves, while I'm at it - the first movies were so damn dark (lighting) that the Enterprise looked like it forgot to pay the light bill.  Then we went from that to so damn much much shine, glare, and lens flare it looked like a parody of an Apple store.  This is a quasi-military vessel - lighting levels will be set for comfort and effiency of the crew.  And can we *please* go at least one movie without destroying the damn ship?  Who's running this operations - O'Bannon Spacelines?  (reference to Dan's propensity for destroying his ships - Dark Star, Alien, etc.)

/Plus, Ghod! do I miss Gene's penchant for running his stories past actual scientists and engineers and *listening* to their feedback!
 
2013-09-08 02:29:35 PM  
I want to see Das Boot in space
 
2013-09-08 02:29:38 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.


I believe one of the phrases he used in pitching it, or in a story guide, was "Horatio Hornblower in space"
 
2013-09-08 02:30:45 PM  

olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.


Saw the first reboot, didn't like it.  Told people why, but many of them seemed to like it so good for them.  At least 4 of those people saw the latest one and told me "oh, they fixed all that stuff you were complaining about in this one!  you should totally go see it".  Yeah, thanks for tacitly admitting that the first one sucked retroactively.  If you have to 'fix' things in a second movie, you farked up.  It's like pouring a cocktail or cooking some eggs and then trying to 'fix' them.

The old ones are cheesy, have bad effects and cornball acting, but god damn are they still farking awesome sometimes.  Shat Kirk gets so little credit for being a deep and complex character, probably because real life Shat is such a douche.
 
2013-09-08 02:30:49 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.

I see a problem with this premise.  Actually, a few.

1) Location, Location, Location.
"To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life, new civilizations..." Starfleet Academy would be the dryest possible place for ongoing storytelling I can imagine. One location, under Highly controlled military conditions. I don't know how well you remember your college years, but based on my experience you couldn't make an interesting commercial out of the whole thing, much less a series. In a matter of episodes, you have Space Harry Potter, who discovers some arc of conspiracy in the faculty.

They did this once, a LONG time ago - "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet." It was an interesting enough show for its time, and I'd really suggest you dig it up - it's fun, in a nostalgic way. But they were working in a universe where the Unknown started just outside of Earth's atmosphere. Pirates based on the moon, etc. In the Star Trek universe, Earth is dead center of the Federation - they probably have Ikea stores on the moon. To get the cadets anywhere testing, they'd have to get Waaay outside of our solar system, into something really unknown... which they wouldn't, because it's Starfleet, and they are cadets. They don't even get close to anyplace interesting until they graduate and are assigned to some soft-duty position to get their space legs.

Same Old, Same Old
Deep Space Nine suffered because it was stuck in one place - people came, people went, but there they were, stuck in a station. They went to monumental lengths to try to break that monotony. Space Gods in the wormhole, an invasion by Odo's people, bickering with the Cardassians... going back in time, visiting grandpa, Worf's kid...

And again, Starfleet Academy is San Francisco. Earth. Nobody's getting close to bickering, attacking, God bothering. So you end up locked in a soap opera. There's no sense of danger there. It's a day care center in uniforms. The mountain doesn't come to Mohammad; for a steady flow of new situations, you need to go to them, not wait for them to come to you.
 
2013-09-08 02:37:49 PM  
Seriously, Geek to Geek, I hope JJ Abrams gets Lou Gehrig's disease...

www.flicksandbits.com
 
2013-09-08 02:45:31 PM  
Star Trek TOS is foreplay for my sons Mother and I.

Depending on the mood of the night, sometimes I'll burst out laughing when some "exploration type into music" is playing while I'm...exploring in an introductory manner.

Last year she got a blue tunic, ears, hair for being a vulcan on Halloween but we didn't make it out.  I'll try again this year, instead of HAZMAT guy I'm going for the Shat.  Pics to follow. No sharp knees, guaranteed. :)
 
2013-09-08 03:02:09 PM  
FrancoFile: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

I believe one of the phrases he used in pitching it, or in a story guide, was "Horatio Hornblower in space"


You are indeed correct, sir.  Bonus points for remembering that one.  Most folks remember the more commonly repeated pitch of 'Wagon Train to the Stars'.

Gene had read the Hornblower books and was somehat the fan of them.  He wanted a show that had the same sort of situation.

Interesting guy - Bomber pilot in WWII, commercial airline pilot after the war, spent time as a cop in LA.  Wish I could find his first show, 'The Lieutenant'.

People nowadays tend to delight in trumpeting the man's flaws, which have come to light more recently, as though anything worthwhile done by someone who is not perfect in every way does not count, somehow.  Bah.  He was human, all of us have our dark sides and our sins (I know all too well from my own personal experience).  More to his credit that he tried to shoot for something better, to lift mankind's sight up from its feet to the far horizons, despite his faults.
 
2013-09-08 03:06:43 PM  
"Beam me up, Scotty!"

".... Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes."
 
2013-09-08 03:11:18 PM  
I can't remember if I read this idea here or if I made it up, but I think a new Trek show should be set on an all-Vulcan crew, in a Vulcan ship.  And have completely ridiculous over the top things happen to them every week, which, being Vulcans, they react to in unemotional, stoic ways.  In other words, a total deadpan comedy.
 
2013-09-08 03:39:18 PM  
I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.

Make it so!
 
2013-09-08 03:41:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.

Make it so!


This!

/Working on fan-fic as a side project.
 
2013-09-08 03:46:15 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.

Make it so!


I want a Star Trek based on the Ferengi, exploring new worlds, finding new things to trade for, facing situations that force them to violate the Rules of Acquisition.
 
2013-09-08 03:46:18 PM  

Bludyard: I can't remember if I read this idea here or if I made it up, but I think a new Trek show should be set on an all-Vulcan crew, in a Vulcan ship.  And have completely ridiculous over the top things happen to them every week, which, being Vulcans, they react to in unemotional, stoic ways.  In other words, a total deadpan comedy.


videogamewriters.com
 
2013-09-08 03:47:30 PM  

Bslim: According to very important men such as Orci and Abrams none of that shiat will ever happen.


Hopefully once JJ goes to Mouseschwitz to work on Star Wars, the franchise will be handed over to someone with less of a lensflare fetish.
 
2013-09-08 03:49:23 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Bslim: According to very important men such as Orci and Abrams none of that shiat will ever happen.

Hopefully once JJ goes to Mouseschwitz to work on Star Wars, the franchise will be handed over to someone with less of a lensflare fetish.


And hopefully isn't written with someone who doesn't make Our Heroes travel at the speed of plot and wrap up everything in a day.
 
2013-09-08 03:49:54 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: 'On the Good Ship Enterprise: My 15 Years with Star Trek', by Bjo Trimble (a pre-eminent fan who also had extensive access to the studio, cast, and crew while TOS was in production. Interesting semi-outsider viewpoint. She was one of the principal architects of the mailing campaign that resulted in the reversal of the decision to cancel TOS after the second season. Also had a big hand in the creation of the souvenirs and collectibles marketing. Lots of fascinating anecdotes in this one.)


I'd kill for a T-shirt that read "Property of Klingon Empire Rollerball Team".

In the Star Trek MMO, there's system named after her.
 
2013-09-08 03:53:18 PM  
Brick-House:
img.fark.net

Ralph McQuarrie's original concept of the Enterprise refit. Much more impressive than the Andrew Probert version they decided on.:

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-09-08 03:58:39 PM  

Sass-O-Rev: "Beam me up, Scotty!"

".... Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes."


It could have been worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k5VzDBOcpM
 
2013-09-08 04:02:56 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.


Roddenberry is contradictory on this. The Prime Directive is supposed to provide guidance for captains when they're too far away from the nearest star base to ask an admiral for advice, and at the end of the day, while Kirk would bend a rule or two, he wouldn't stray too far.

What you're describing was more or less done with Battlestar Galactica, where for the sake of survival, lots of immoral choices were made.

That's what Voyager should have been -- Janeway should have broken a lot of rules, and in the series finale, gets back to earth and is put on trial for violating the Prime Directive, pitting Roddenbery's utopian ideas vs the real world.
 
2013-09-08 04:03:02 PM  
Man, I have all sorts of nostalgic feelings for ST:TOS. I can remember sitting in our TV room watching this episode with my mom and cousins when I was a kid, back in the late '70s. And I can remember watching this episode with my cousins at their house, when I was a round four or five(1976).

My friend's mom was a major Trekkie, so we went to a few Star Trek conventions. Got to see James Doohan and George Takei, back in the mid to late '80s.

*Sigh*...TOS was such a great show. And, regardless of what all the fanboys think of it, I really liked Enterprise, too.
 
2013-09-08 04:04:50 PM  

mark12A: Seriously, Geek to Geek, I hope JJ Abrams gets Lou Gehrig's disease...

[www.flicksandbits.com image 825x464]


It is hard to believe that we actually miss the Rick Berman Trek.
 
2013-09-08 04:05:30 PM  

Bludyard: I can't remember if I read this idea here or if I made it up, but I think a new Trek show should be set on an all-Vulcan crew, in a Vulcan ship.  And have completely ridiculous over the top things happen to them every week, which, being Vulcans, they react to in unemotional, stoic ways.  In other words, a total deadpan comedy.


That would rawk.
 
2013-09-08 04:05:33 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.

Make it so!


For all the talk from people who hate that the new Trek films are nothing like what Gene Rodenberry wanted, a Section 31 series would be this times ten.  Don't get me wrong, I think it was a great concept for a few episodes, but it is the very antithesis of the message Star Trek sent (peaceful Federation, above being uncivilized), and quite frankly, I think it would wear thin fairly quickly.  Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.

At this point, the best option may be to start a new show that takes place in the new Star Trek universe, following the premise of the older series, aboard a new starship.  Since there has only been one series set in that time frame anyway, regardless of the timeline, it would be interesting to see what was going on with another ship.  I'd say make the show follow the Enterprise, but I don't see how you'd be able to get people on board since there is little chance they'd be able to get the actors from the movies in it, let alone getting cameos from them (ironically, a lot of actors who played characters in the old universe would likely be fairly easy to get).

We'll see though.  From what I understand, CBS and Paramount are having issues in terms of coming to any agreements that would support a new show, and Michael Dorn's attempts to have a show centering on Worf (I know he loves the character, but no character has had more screentime than Worf, might be best to move on there) have likewise not proceeded far.  At this point, I think the only new (canon) Star Trek we can expect will be in theaters in three years.
 
2013-09-08 04:08:45 PM  
Keep in mind that despite him creating the show, Roddenberry wasn't always the one with good decisions. He actually fought against Paramount's idea to introduce the Borg into the series, calling Borg "a bunch of robot men"* and derided Wrath of Khan as "Horatio Hornblower in Space".

* The original Borg concept was for them to be an insectoid race (ergo the "hive mentality"), but I guess Rick Berman caught an old Dr Who Cybermen episode on TV one night.
 
2013-09-08 04:14:43 PM  

06Wahoo: For all the talk from people who hate that the new Trek films are nothing like what Gene Rodenberry wanted, a Section 31 series would be this times ten. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a great concept for a few episodes, but it is the very antithesis of the message Star Trek sent (peaceful Federation, above being uncivilized), and quite frankly, I think it would wear thin fairly quickly. Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.


The producer/creator for Deep Space Nine deliberately made his show to be the anti-Star Trek and all it's kum-bay-ya galactic touchy-feelyness. A rough part of the quadrant involving a planet struggling to rebuild after a brutal occupation, religion in politics, coupled with the threat of a powerful empire on the other side of the wormhole. Sisko's speech about Earth being like a Paradise but DS9 's being "far far away from Paradise" was the show's core.

Case in point, the BEST Trek episode of the entire franchise: "In The Pale Moonlight"

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2013-09-08 04:19:17 PM  

06Wahoo: Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.


Even though I love both shows, I don't know that a Star Trek/X-Files crossover would be a good idea. I do, however, want to see a re-boot of The X-Files that's set in the early 1950s, during the height of the Cold War.
 
2013-09-08 04:20:08 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Trek TOS is foreplay for my sons Mother and I.

Depending on the mood of the night, sometimes I'll burst out laughing when some "exploration type into music" is playing while I'm...exploring in an introductory manner.

Last year she got a blue tunic, ears, hair for being a vulcan on Halloween but we didn't make it out.  I'll try again this year, instead of HAZMAT guy I'm going for the Shat.  Pics to follow. No sharp knees, guaranteed. :)


Speaking of Halloween costumes, I just dropped a not-altogether-insignificant amount of cash on Wash from Firefly.  Now I just need to find a scifi Halloween party in Northern Virginia.

The place's name is abbreviated NoVA, for fark's sake, it shouldn't be this difficult to find one!
 
2013-09-08 04:26:36 PM  
Personally, I'd be keen on a Star Trek series based on this the USS Excelsior
 
2013-09-08 04:30:41 PM  

olddeegee: Star_Trek:_Renegades: This could be a stop-gap for fans.


That looks very promising.
 
2013-09-08 04:41:08 PM  

Mjeck: I want to see Das Boot in space


"Short" version or director's cut?  Or maybe the uncut version?
 
2013-09-08 04:46:34 PM  
Take off your nostalgia goggles.

TOS wasn't the best series.

DS9 was, and that's because of the influence B5 had on it.
 
2013-09-08 04:59:54 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Personally, I'd be keen on a Star Trek series based on this the USS Excelsior


PacManDreaming: 06Wahoo: Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.

Even though I love both shows, I don't know that a Star Trek/X-Files crossover would be a good idea. I do, however, want to see a re-boot of The X-Files that's set in the early 1950s, during the height of the Cold War.


They did that. It was called "Dark Skies"

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2013-09-08 05:06:41 PM  
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/WELSHIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
 
2013-09-08 05:09:29 PM  

simplicimus: Nice timeline. Star Trek I was followed by Star Trek III.


Read the timeline again, ST2 is on the left side between 1 and 3 like it should be.
 
2013-09-08 05:19:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: They did that. It was called "Dark Skies"


I faintly remember knowing about that show, but I never watched it. Is it worth a watch?

----------------------------------

Did anyone else like the Star Trek cartoon? I used to love watching that when I was a kid(along with the Planet of the Apes cartoon).
 
2013-09-08 05:32:04 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You are indeed correct, sir.  Bonus points for remembering that one.  Most folks remember the more commonly repeated pitch of 'Wagon Train to the Stars'.

Gene had read the Hornblower books and was somehat the fan of them.  He wanted a show that had the same sort of situation.


I want bonus points too!  I remembered it!

Actually a lot of people conflated the pitch with thinking Kirk was supposed to be the embodiment of Hornblower, which didn't fit at all if you've read the Forester books.  Hornblower was kind of like Picard or Spock but more riddled with self-doubt, and was even worse with women*.   But he could pull off great things in a pinch and had a huge .... moral compass.  He was in short not a bombastic, swashbuckling hero but a thoughtful man who cared deeply about his crew.

*I think this made it realistic to the British male audience ZING!
 
2013-09-08 05:40:07 PM  

Rhino_man: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Trek TOS is foreplay for my sons Mother and I.

Depending on the mood of the night, sometimes I'll burst out laughing when some "exploration type into music" is playing while I'm...exploring in an introductory manner.

Last year she got a blue tunic, ears, hair for being a vulcan on Halloween but we didn't make it out.  I'll try again this year, instead of HAZMAT guy I'm going for the Shat.  Pics to follow. No sharp knees, guaranteed. :)

Speaking of Halloween costumes, I just dropped a not-altogether-insignificant amount of cash on Wash from Firefly.  Now I just need to find a scifi Halloween party in Northern Virginia.

The place's name is abbreviated NoVA, for fark's sake, it shouldn't be this difficult to find one!


Are there any sci-fi conventions within driving distance?  You could probably make some new friends at one who would be interested in coordinating a sci-fi Halloween party.  Some of them might even turn out to live nearby.

I don't know of anything in Virginia specifically, but I recently heard of Capclave, which is in Washington D.C. in mid-October.  I've never been there myself, though (I live on the opposite side of the U.S.); I just know of it from a flyer they had at this year's WorldCon.
 
2013-09-08 06:50:33 PM  

potterydove: Take off your nostalgia goggles.

TOS wasn't the best series.

DS9 was, and that's because of the influence B5 had on it.


You mean NONE?

/B5 had a Whitestar because DS9 had the Defiant...
 
2013-09-08 06:53:53 PM  

peterthx: potterydove: Take off your nostalgia goggles.

TOS wasn't the best series.

DS9 was, and that's because of the influence B5 had on it.

You mean NONE?

/B5 had a Whitestar because DS9 had the Defiant...


A decade later and this crap still goes on? And it was a fleet of Whitestars.
 
2013-09-08 06:57:11 PM  

anfrind: Rhino_man: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Trek TOS is foreplay for my sons Mother and I.

Depending on the mood of the night, sometimes I'll burst out laughing when some "exploration type into music" is playing while I'm...exploring in an introductory manner.

Last year she got a blue tunic, ears, hair for being a vulcan on Halloween but we didn't make it out.  I'll try again this year, instead of HAZMAT guy I'm going for the Shat.  Pics to follow. No sharp knees, guaranteed. :)

Speaking of Halloween costumes, I just dropped a not-altogether-insignificant amount of cash on Wash from Firefly.  Now I just need to find a scifi Halloween party in Northern Virginia.

The place's name is abbreviated NoVA, for fark's sake, it shouldn't be this difficult to find one!

Are there any sci-fi conventions within driving distance?  You could probably make some new friends at one who would be interested in coordinating a sci-fi Halloween party.  Some of them might even turn out to live nearby.

I don't know of anything in Virginia specifically, but I recently heard of Capclave, which is in Washington D.C. in mid-October.  I've never been there myself, though (I live on the opposite side of the U.S.); I just know of it from a flyer they had at this year's WorldCon.


Not a bad idea, but then I'd have to come up with ANOTHER costume idea... which, if you know anything about the ginger experience, is quite difficult.
 
2013-09-08 07:14:59 PM  
Despite its flaws, Voyager was the best series.  I wish they had balls to get Janeway laid by Chakotay and the EMH while Seven punishes ensign Kim for his inefficient technique.

/Tuvok gets to watch
//Paris and Neelix do the video
 
2013-09-08 07:22:05 PM  

simplicimus: TV's Vinnie: I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.
Make it so!
I want a Star Trek based on the Ferengi, exploring new worlds, finding new things to trade for, facing situations that force them to violate the Rules of Acquisition.

In an episode of DS9, Grand Nagus Gint tells Quark that they're not set in stone, just some words in a book.  And even then, they were made up by a bunch of Ferengi a long time ago.  So in essence, if you violate them, it won't make a damn difference.  You could just make a Rule up or stretch an old one to its limits and beyond, as that would be the Ferengi way.  Quark may not violate them, but others will...for a profit.

A series based on Section 31 might be interesting.  It seems that the Star Trek series of shows seemed to mainly focus on the good things about the Federation.  There were some morally ambiguous episodes on terrorism and such, but nothing really dark.
 
2013-09-08 07:27:13 PM  
I still want a new show featuring Voyager's Doctor and Elim Garak.

Call it Snark Trek.

/You can't handle the sarcasm
 
2013-09-08 07:27:16 PM  
Some years back, a Farker had a suggestion on doing 3 parallel series.

The one I liked best involved a top Academy student getting cashiered just before graduation. He's extremely resentful, and is perfect recruiting material for Section 31.  Then somewhere in the middle of the 1st season, it turns out that his getting kicked out was all a ruse, and he's been placed as a mole into Section 31 by the Federation, so it can be rooted out and brought to heel.  Lots of room for moral ambiguity in that kind of story line.  It's like Wiseguy in space.
 
2013-09-08 07:27:45 PM  

PacManDreaming: TV's Vinnie: They did that. It was called "Dark Skies"

I faintly remember knowing about that show, but I never watched it. Is it worth a watch?


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Did anyone else like the Star Trek cartoon? I used to love watching that when I was a kid(along with the Planet of the Apes cartoon).


Yeah.
 
2013-09-08 07:30:47 PM  

Rhino_man: anfrind: Rhino_man: Speaking of Halloween costumes, I just dropped a not-altogether-insignificant amount of cash on Wash from Firefly.  Now I just need to find a scifi Halloween party in Northern Virginia.

The place's name is abbreviated NoVA, for fark's sake, it shouldn't be this difficult to find one!

Are there any sci-fi conventions within driving distance?  You could probably make some new friends at one who would be interested in coordinating a sci-fi Halloween party.  Some of them might even turn out to live nearby.

I don't know of anything in Virginia specifically, but I recently heard of Capclave, which is in Washington D.C. in mid-October.  I've never been there myself, though (I live on the opposite side of the U.S.); I just know of it from a flyer they had at this year's WorldCon.

Not a bad idea, but then I'd have to come up with ANOTHER costume idea... which, if you know anything about the ginger experience, is quite difficult.


You don't HAVE to dress up for a science fiction convention.  I had to fly to WorldCon this year, so I left most of my costume pieces at home and showed up to most parties dressed as a generic Victorian gentleman (which is easy to get away with because steampunk has become such a big thing over the past few years).

Also worth mentioning: Capclave welcomes both science fiction and fantasy, and will have George R. R. Martin as a guest of honor this year.  Maybe there's a "Game of Thrones" character you could pull off?
 
2013-09-08 07:37:48 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Brick-House:
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Ralph McQuarrie's original concept of the Enterprise refit. Much more impressive than the Andrew Probert version they decided on.:

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Hmmmm, looks great from the stern. It's the bow that has me wondering.
 
2013-09-08 07:39:12 PM  
The important thing about the original Trek is that they had first class Sci Fi heavyweights writing for them. Blish, Fontana, Gerrold, all wrote hard sci-fi instead of pulp. The orginal pilot ("The Cage") holds up damned well today, almost 50 years later. Te story, not the FX, but Trek was about the story and people, not the action.


/Trekker since 1968
//Have a replica agonizer from "Mirror, Mirror", so don't fark with me.
 
2013-09-08 07:47:43 PM  
TV's Vinnie: 1000 Ways to Dye: Personally, I'd be keen on a Star Trek series based on this the USS Excelsior

06Wahoo: Maybe some people want Star Trek to meld with The X-Files, but I'm not sure how well such a show would do.

Even though I love both shows, I don't know that a Star Trek/X-Files crossover would be a good idea. I do, however, want to see a re-boot of The X-Files that's set in the early 1950s, during the height of the Cold War.

They did that. It was called "Dark Skies"


Also, 'Crusade' (Babylon 5 spinoff) had a great episode, 'The Visitors From Down the Street', which was This.  Captain Gideon and the Excalibur encounter two aliens, members of a security agency who are essentially Mulder and Scully, with Our Heroes as the Aliens.  Very entertaining switch of perspective (the aliens show him a 'crop circle' from their planet - it's an American Flag), and some interesting twists.  At the end, Gideon decides that He Has Had Enough Of This Shiat, and takes matters into his own hands.  His second asks him if it's a good idea to 'interfere in the normal development of this species'.  Gideon's reply: "Screw 'em".

/After seeing the episode, I was inclined to agree with him.
 
2013-09-08 07:49:19 PM  

Lee451: The important thing about the original Trek is that they had first class Sci Fi heavyweights writing for them. Blish, Fontana, Gerrold, all wrote hard sci-fi instead of pulp. The orginal pilot ("The Cage") holds up damned well today, almost 50 years later. Te story, not the FX, but Trek was about the story and people, not the action.


/Trekker since 1968
//Have a replica agonizer from "Mirror, Mirror", so don't fark with me.


Mr. Lee, your agonizer please.
 
2013-09-08 08:15:35 PM  
Been showing my wife 'Deep Space Nine' and she's loving it, we just finished "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" last night.  I figured out why I liked Deep Space Nine over the other Treks.  In Deep Space Nine they were allowed to be real characters.  They didn't always get along.  They argued, they disagreed, Sisko yelled quite a bit.  When Roddenberry was in control he believed that humans didn't grieve for the dead.  In Deep Space Nine, when Jadzia died they spend three months grieving for her loss.  Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.  In DS9, Sisko yelled at his staff, took failures personally, while grieving for his dead wife told Picard that he met him once on the battlefield: Wolf 359.  After Picard recovered from the Borg, he went back to duty.  Hell, looking at Ben and Jake, they look like a real father and son.  Beverly and Wesley never looked like a real mother and son.

Eventually Star Trek will return to television, and when it does, I hope they model the show after DS9 more than the other Trek series.
 
2013-09-08 08:45:11 PM  

Great Janitor: Been showing my wife 'Deep Space Nine' and she's loving it, we just finished "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" last night.  I figured out why I liked Deep Space Nine over the other Treks.  In Deep Space Nine they were allowed to be real characters.  They didn't always get along.  They argued, they disagreed, Sisko yelled quite a bit.  When Roddenberry was in control he believed that humans didn't grieve for the dead.  In Deep Space Nine, when Jadzia died they spend three months grieving for her loss.  Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.  In DS9, Sisko yelled at his staff, took failures personally, while grieving for his dead wife told Picard that he met him once on the battlefield: Wolf 359.  After Picard recovered from the Borg, he went back to duty.  Hell, looking at Ben and Jake, they look like a real father and son.  Beverly and Wesley never looked like a real mother and son.

Eventually Star Trek will return to television, and when it does, I hope they model the show after DS9 more than the other Trek series.


Never thought about it that way but you nailed it.
DS9 is my favorite too.
 
2013-09-08 08:48:25 PM  

FrancoFile: Some years back, a Farker had a suggestion on doing 3 parallel series.

The one I liked best involved a top Academy student getting cashiered just before graduation. He's extremely resentful, and is perfect recruiting material for Section 31.  Then somewhere in the middle of the 1st season, it turns out that his getting kicked out was all a ruse, and he's been placed as a mole into Section 31 by the Federation, so it can be rooted out and brought to heel.  Lots of room for moral ambiguity in that kind of story line.  It's like Wiseguy in space.


Wasn't that the plot for "The Departed" as well?

But yeah, a story about Starfleet's attempt to root out Section 31 would be cool.
 
2013-09-08 09:24:52 PM  
Whatever version of Star Trek suits your fancy, all I have to say is happy birthday Star Trek! Thank you for ruining my expectations of humanity and the future. I mean, face it. Humanity isn't going to get its shiat together. The middle east is still going to be a shiat hole 50 years from now and we certainly aren't going to have Starships in 148 years. Carry on!
 
2013-09-08 09:40:21 PM  

bbfreak: we certainly aren't going to have Starships in 148 years.


148 years ago was 1865.  And they said the same thing.  What do you think they would have said about the possibly of an ISS or shuttles?

/hang tight, brutha
 
2013-09-08 10:08:03 PM  
Star Trek is owned by Viacom, right? That means Paramount Pictures, CBS, and Showtime. I don't think JJ Abrams is going anywhere soon, so may as well roll with the punches and he's a guy who can launch shows. Let's say we get someone from the last era on board - Ronald D. Moore anyone?

Two suggested avenues: CBS (~20 ep seasons) or Showtime (~10 ep seasons). If you want more episodic fare, go with CBS. If you want greater serialization, Showtime. Basically, do you want something like DS9 or not?

Something to consider: A Game of Thrones costs about $6 million an episode. It's a high budget show. That makes for at least $60 million a season. Star Trek: ID cost $190 million to make. What kind of budget could this theoretical ST show expect?

Now as for premise, I'm not sure if the original or the new timeline would be a better sell for prospective viewers. Should it be a radical departure from the classic format or a return to form? Link to the movies or not? These parts I'm not sure about.
 
2013-09-08 10:38:35 PM  

Lord Binky: Star Trek is owned by Viacom, right? That means Paramount Pictures, CBS, and Showtime. I don't think JJ Abrams is going anywhere soon, so may as well roll with the punches and he's a guy who can launch shows. Let's say we get someone from the last era on board - Ronald D. Moore anyone?

Two suggested avenues: CBS (~20 ep seasons) or Showtime (~10 ep seasons). If you want more episodic fare, go with CBS. If you want greater serialization, Showtime. Basically, do you want something like DS9 or not?

Something to consider: A Game of Thrones costs about $6 million an episode. It's a high budget show. That makes for at least $60 million a season. Star Trek: ID cost $190 million to make. What kind of budget could this theoretical ST show expect?

Now as for premise, I'm not sure if the original or the new timeline would be a better sell for prospective viewers. Should it be a radical departure from the classic format or a return to form? Link to the movies or not? These parts I'm not sure about.


I think if it's a method where there is no marketing BS getting in the way, that is the best way to go.  We don't need marketing execs farking up the series.  (Remember that episode of B5: Crusade?)

But yeah, JJ should definitely be in charge of throwing it to cable.  He's had a few successful shows.  (Fringe was the best!)
 
2013-09-08 11:07:36 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Brick-House:


Ralph McQuarrie's original concept of the Enterprise refit. Much more impressive than the Andrew Probert version they decided on.:


Um no, actually it's not.
 
2013-09-08 11:14:58 PM  

Great Janitor: Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.


He does break down in "Family" the first episode after "Best of Both Worlds."
 
2013-09-08 11:39:39 PM  

Pentaxian: Great Janitor: Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.

He does break down in "Family" the first episode after "Best of Both Worlds."


That was the start of season 4.  So it took him three years to show emotion, he has one break down and it's all good after.  Even after looking Sisko in the eye and hearing Sisko tell him that his wife died at Wolf 359, Picard has that "oh fark" look on his face, but brushes it off.
 
2013-09-09 12:09:52 AM  

Lord Binky: Star Trek is owned by Viacom, right? That means Paramount Pictures, CBS, and Showtime. I don't think JJ Abrams is going anywhere soon, so may as well roll with the punches and he's a guy who can launch shows. Let's say we get someone from the last era on board - Ronald D. Moore anyone?

Two suggested avenues: CBS (~20 ep seasons) or Showtime (~10 ep seasons). If you want more episodic fare, go with CBS. If you want greater serialization, Showtime. Basically, do you want something like DS9 or not?

Something to consider: A Game of Thrones costs about $6 million an episode. It's a high budget show. That makes for at least $60 million a season. Star Trek: ID cost $190 million to make. What kind of budget could this theoretical ST show expect?

Now as for premise, I'm not sure if the original or the new timeline would be a better sell for prospective viewers. Should it be a radical departure from the classic format or a return to form? Link to the movies or not? These parts I'm not sure about.


There's a LONG tradition of the movies being "alternate timelines" while the show (with the exception of Mirror Universe) have always been real universe, canon. They should not break from form here, or they will piss off every last remaining fanboy.
 
2013-09-09 12:21:53 AM  

PacManDreaming: Did anyone else like the Star Trek cartoon? I used to love watching that when I was a kid(along with the Planet of the Apes cartoon).


Loved the cartoon. Bought all the books based on the cartoon episodes written by Alan Dean Foster as well. Actually think I still have a couple of them around in a box somewhere.
 
2013-09-09 02:22:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I watched that very first episode


Yeah, I used to watch them with my dad.  Was too young to realize what I was watching, but it was pretty cool that we actually liked the same show and mom and my sisters hated it :)
 
2013-09-09 04:32:02 AM  
But what happened to Welshie?
 
2013-09-09 07:29:34 AM  
The solution is obvious.  You simply reboot TNG with a new cast.  There is absolutely no reason to think the Enterprise no longer has a crew after Nemesis.  Starfleet would finally put the old crew out to pasture and start younger.  Call it ST: TNG, or even just plain old, Star Trek.  If you feel you must, let Patrick Stewart or Jonathan Frakes have a cameo or two for continuity.
 
2013-09-09 08:18:52 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: 1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.

Get over it. Most fans really know that he doesn't say it, but it's going to be almost impossible to erase the phrase from pop culture. You'll be much better off if you stop being an assburgers case over it and relax. Aproach it like Cliff from Cheers and when you hear someone say it just mention it as a bit of trivia instead of getting all nerd rage over it and making the rest of the fanbase look like socially stunted ass burgers.


Also, in no episode of Lassie did Timmy ever fall down a well. He fell down a lot of things and was trapped constantly, but never a well. Interestingly, LASSIE fell down a well once.
 
2013-09-09 09:34:28 AM  

Great Janitor: Pentaxian: Great Janitor: Picard wasn't really allowed to show any emotion until Star Trek: First Contact.

He does break down in "Family" the first episode after "Best of Both Worlds."

That was the start of season 4.  So it took him three years to show emotion, he has one break down and it's all good after.  Even after looking Sisko in the eye and hearing Sisko tell him that his wife died at Wolf 359, Picard has that "oh fark" look on his face, but brushes it off.


He probably had so many people tell him that at that point that he became dull to it.
 
2013-09-09 10:10:01 AM  
 
2013-09-09 01:48:08 PM  

eyeq360: simplicimus: TV's Vinnie: I want to see a Trek series based on Section 31.
Make it so!
I want a Star Trek based on the Ferengi, exploring new worlds, finding new things to trade for, facing situations that force them to violate the Rules of Acquisition.
In an episode of DS9, Grand Nagus Gint tells Quark that they're not set in stone, just some words in a book.  And even then, they were made up by a bunch of Ferengi a long time ago.  So in essence, if you violate them, it won't make a damn difference.  You could just make a Rule up or stretch an old one to its limits and beyond, as that would be the Ferengi way.  Quark may not violate them, but others will...for a profit.

A series based on Section 31 might be interesting.  It seems that the Star Trek series of shows seemed to mainly focus on the good things about the Federation.  There were some morally ambiguous episodes on terrorism and such, but nothing really dark.


As I recall the line was "Suggestions of Acquisition would not sell as well as  Rules of Acquisition". They were meant to be guidelines on how to do business better, not to be a set of laws.
 
2013-09-09 02:00:35 PM  
Am now nearing the end of season 3 having bought the lot in DVD and introduced my wife to it as well. SOme of the things in the original series are way ahead of their time and as someone more familiar with the later series I am surprised just how much of the lore dates from these episodes.

Would love to see Trek return to the TV, I like the period of Ncc1701A and excelsior, the interior design of the ships and the costumes from that period are just cool. Perhapse something set around the end of the klingon war with the Klingons and federation tentatively working together and the romulans as the enemy.
 
2013-09-09 06:06:44 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Glee In Space


On the other hand, I'd pay good money to see the glee coach lady yelling about there being 4 lights..
 
2013-09-09 09:20:44 PM  

Somaticasual: Benevolent Misanthrope: Glee In Space

On the other hand, I'd pay good money to see the glee coach lady yelling about there being 4 lights..


We should rite Jane Lynch and ask her to act that.  I hear she's a helluva sport.
 
2013-09-09 10:09:28 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Somaticasual: Benevolent Misanthrope: Glee In Space

On the other hand, I'd pay good money to see the glee coach lady yelling about there being 4 lights..

We should rite Jane Lynch and ask her to act that.  I hear she's a helluva sport.


You think she'd mind all the misspellings and bad grammar?
 
2013-09-09 10:37:49 PM  

peterthx: Benevolent Misanthrope: Somaticasual: Benevolent Misanthrope: Glee In Space

On the other hand, I'd pay good money to see the glee coach lady yelling about there being 4 lights..

We should rite Jane Lynch and ask her to act that.  I hear she's a helluva sport.

You think she'd mind all the misspellings and bad grammar?


What?  No, I meant we should form an elaborate ritual around Jane Lynch, asking her to act that.  WTF did you think I meant?  ;)
 
2013-09-09 11:06:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What?  No, I meant we should form an elaborate ritual around Jane Lynch, asking her to act that.  WTF did you think I meant?  ;)


I was just imagining her going all Sue Sylvester over the mangled letter... :D
 
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