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2013-09-08 10:49:29 AM
Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.
 
2013-09-08 11:14:12 AM
He's dead, Jim.
 
2013-09-08 11:19:41 AM
I watched that very first episode

/beam off of my lawn
 
2013-09-08 11:21:51 AM
Jimmy James: Well, beam me up, Slappy!

Dave Nelson: Actually, that's Scottie.

Jimmy James: Geek test!
 
2013-09-08 11:37:49 AM
Nice timeline. Star Trek I was followed by Star Trek III.
 
2013-09-08 11:50:48 AM
 
2013-09-08 11:50:55 AM
Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.
 
2013-09-08 11:52:04 AM

DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.


By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.
 
2013-09-08 11:52:38 AM
Star_Trek:_Renegades: This could be a stop-gap for fans.
 
2013-09-08 11:54:04 AM
Beth: This is just like that episode of Star Trek when they entered a parallel universe where everything was the same except they were all on heroin.

Dave: There was no such episode.

Jimmy: Geek test two!
 
2013-09-08 11:56:32 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.
 
2013-09-08 12:01:04 PM
"The Man Trap" is one of my favorite Trek episodes from any of the series.
"Stop thinking with your glands!"
 
2013-09-08 12:06:25 PM

HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.


No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.
 
2013-09-08 12:31:49 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.

No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.


You say that like it's a bad thing. ;-)
 
2013-09-08 12:50:16 PM

HighOnCraic: Benevolent Misanthrope: HighOnCraic: The Borg Invasion in the non-canon books would be interesting.  The Mirror Universe books are even cooler.

No doubt, but can you really see any production studio today doing Trek well?  The Borg Invasion would be done as a Walking Dead reboot, but with more electronics.  The mirror universe stuff would be done up as soft core bdsm porn.

You say that like it's a bad thing. ;-)


LULZ
 
2013-09-08 01:10:35 PM
Star Drek. Done in 1975 by the dude best known for Monster Mash.

/don't have a spaz, Snotty
 
2013-09-08 01:25:06 PM

NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)


One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.
 
2013-09-08 01:44:25 PM

olddeegee: Star_Trek:_Renegades: This could be a stop-gap for fans.


Eh, the idea isn't bad, but I could see such a show going off the rails pretty quick turning it from Trek to a BSG clone. At this point if there were to be a new Trek Series, I'm thinking a Mirror Universe series would really be the answer. Make the majority of humanity be the bad guy and do it from the perspective of say the Vulcans or maybe Klingons.
 
2013-09-08 01:45:15 PM
 
2013-09-08 01:47:17 PM
Star Trek Online is the new Trek show for me. It's set in the old timeline and has plenty of episodes/missions to bring back nostalgia for nostalgia's sake.
 
2013-09-08 01:52:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


I am still looking forward to a Captain Worf show (no matter what happened after he saved Dax instead of that Cardassian defector), I just hope Michael Dorn can get it to occur.
 
2013-09-08 01:53:21 PM
Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.
 
2013-09-08 01:55:47 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Correct.
 
2013-09-08 01:56:11 PM
 
2013-09-08 01:57:27 PM

FrancoFile: NutWrench: Star Trek Cat Fight! (sfw)

One thing people forget is how awesome the incidental music in the original series was.  That's a full orchestra - oboe, cello, french horn, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

/obligatory
//if not, it should be
 
2013-09-08 01:57:49 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Get over it. Most fans really know that he doesn't say it, but it's going to be almost impossible to erase the phrase from pop culture. You'll be much better off if you stop being an assburgers case over it and relax. Aproach it like Cliff from Cheers and when you hear someone say it just mention it as a bit of trivia instead of getting all nerd rage over it and making the rest of the fanbase look like socially stunted ass burgers.
 
2013-09-08 01:59:57 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


I pictured that being said with a retainer in your mouth.
 
2013-09-08 02:01:18 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: I watched that very first episode

/beam off of my lawn


Yup.  I was there, too.  I was 12 years old - the perfect age to experience the awe and wonder.

If you (or anyone, for that matter) want to recapture what those early days were like - in context, rather than the somewhat-revisionist stuff that came out much later - I can recommend several books:

'The Making of Star Trek', by Stephen E. Whitfield (worked for AMT on the original Enterprise model kit, got a lot of access to the crew and cast while TOS was in production);

'The World of Star Trek' and 'The Trouble with Tribbles', by David Gerrold (a look at the show in general, also written while the show was in production, and an in-depth look at the evolution of one episode);

'On the Good Ship Enterprise: My 15 Years with Star Trek', by Bjo Trimble (a pre-eminent fan who also had extensive access to the studio, cast, and crew while TOS was in production.  Interesting semi-outsider viewpoint.  She was one of the principal architects of the mailing campaign that resulted in the reversal of the decision to cancel TOS after the second season.  Also had a big hand in the creation of the souvenirs and collectibles marketing.  Lots of fascinating anecdotes in this one.)
 
2013-09-08 02:03:34 PM

olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.


I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.
 
2013-09-08 02:04:17 PM

thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.


Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P
 
2013-09-08 02:05:23 PM

stamped human bacon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE

/obligatory
//if not, it should be


This is one of my favorite bits from Futurama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRygZ-0nPAo
 
2013-09-08 02:05:38 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope: DamnYankees: Can they bring ST back to TV already? Come on now.

By whom?  For fark's sake, don't let Braga and Berman get hold of it.

And what premise?  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.  They even wanted to put a different boy band on Enterprise every week.  Seriously.  Contemplate that.  The premise of the show was the beginnings of Starfleet and humanity's first ventures into deep space... and someone thought it was a great idea to have a different boy band show up on a starship - a farking starship, MONTHS from Earth - and perform a musical number every week.  Presumably with the entire senior staff sitting attentively, smiling in adoration, nudging each other and nodding at how entertaining it was.

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Trek on TV again.  But with the writers and studio honchos there are right now, any good, solid, sci-fi premise would be farked with until it completely sucked.


I heard a while back that J. Michael Straczynski had an idea for a Star Trek reboot as a series.  Wish I still had a link to the writeup - it sounded *damn* good.  Looking at B5, and what he did for Spider-Man, FF, and Thor while he was on them, I would have *dearly* loved to have seen him turned loose on Trek with a free hand.
 
2013-09-08 02:05:59 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And what premise?


They should do one that focuses on Klingons. Or a Borg invasion of Dominion space.
 
2013-09-08 02:08:30 PM
 
2013-09-08 02:09:11 PM
According to very important men such as Orci and Abrams none of that shiat will ever happen.
 
2013-09-08 02:11:16 PM

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


Dammit that's exactly what I was going to say.
To be honest what I'd really like is for them to continue Enterprise, they were heading toward some pretty interesting storylines before the ax came down.

I would have liked to see more of Shran and how the Andorian's came to be part of Starfleet. And I would have liked to have seen more of the Vulcans coming to terms with their corrupt government. I would have loved to see Starfleet interacting with the Romulans more.
 
2013-09-08 02:11:22 PM
1000 Ways to Dye: Kirk NEVER said, "Beam me up, Scotty."
NEVER.
Stop saying he did.


Quite true, as many others here have said.  And Rick Blaine never said 'Play it again, Sam'.  We know, and it's unfortunate that these misstatements have become cemented into the popular culture.  But we love Star Trek, and Casablanca, and these catch phrases have for better or worse become shorthand tags for beloved cultural icons.

/McCoy, on the other hand, had quite the laundry list, starting with 'What am I, a *Doctor*, or a Moon Shuttle Conductor?'
 
2013-09-08 02:13:35 PM
Wasn't there talk about a Sulu TV show?
 
2013-09-08 02:14:29 PM
I personally liked Enterprise. I would like a show between it and TOS. Make it abroad the first Starfleet vessel manned by multiple races. Human, Telerite, Andoran, and Vulcan. With Jeffery Combs as Sharn
 
2013-09-08 02:21:35 PM

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


We already know what happened to Enterprise B and Enterprise C, so it would have to be a non-Enterprise ship.  I dunno how well it would sell without a gimmick like Voyager's "lost in the ghetto" or DS9's "it's like Trek, except we ain't moving."
 
2013-09-08 02:22:14 PM
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2013-09-08 02:22:34 PM

Weatherkiss: thornhill: olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.

I say set it in between Star Trek VI and TNG -- that will force the writers to not recycle TNG era aliens like the Borg.

Yeah, because that worked so well for Enterprise. :P


Touhce, and that's a problem with the reboot -- they go to the trouble of creating an alternate timeline only to bring back the same villains.

Obviously it just comes down to having good writers.

While I doubt Ron Moore will ever come back to Trek, he's the kind of veteran writer a new series needs. Ditto to Ira Steven Behr.
 
2013-09-08 02:24:04 PM
For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

For me, the more modern scripts tend to go back to Earth, or into the heart of the Federation, way too frequently.  Nothing really wrong with that, and you can tell good stories that way - but I don't think these necessarily *have* been really good stories.  At, least, for my taste.  YMMV.  I'd rather see the ship way out back of beyond, with nothing but their own resources to rely on.  They're supposed to be explorers pushing the frontiers, and as close as they seem to be to home, they come off more like beat cops on the corner.

Other pet peeves, while I'm at it - the first movies were so damn dark (lighting) that the Enterprise looked like it forgot to pay the light bill.  Then we went from that to so damn much much shine, glare, and lens flare it looked like a parody of an Apple store.  This is a quasi-military vessel - lighting levels will be set for comfort and effiency of the crew.  And can we *please* go at least one movie without destroying the damn ship?  Who's running this operations - O'Bannon Spacelines?  (reference to Dan's propensity for destroying his ships - Dark Star, Alien, etc.)

/Plus, Ghod! do I miss Gene's penchant for running his stories past actual scientists and engineers and *listening* to their feedback!
 
2013-09-08 02:29:35 PM
I want to see Das Boot in space
 
2013-09-08 02:29:38 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.


I believe one of the phrases he used in pitching it, or in a story guide, was "Horatio Hornblower in space"
 
2013-09-08 02:30:45 PM

olddeegee: Time for another Star Trek show. Back to the old timeline, please.


Saw the first reboot, didn't like it.  Told people why, but many of them seemed to like it so good for them.  At least 4 of those people saw the latest one and told me "oh, they fixed all that stuff you were complaining about in this one!  you should totally go see it".  Yeah, thanks for tacitly admitting that the first one sucked retroactively.  If you have to 'fix' things in a second movie, you farked up.  It's like pouring a cocktail or cooking some eggs and then trying to 'fix' them.

The old ones are cheesy, have bad effects and cornball acting, but god damn are they still farking awesome sometimes.  Shat Kirk gets so little credit for being a deep and complex character, probably because real life Shat is such a douche.
 
2013-09-08 02:30:49 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope:  I always wanted to see one set at Starfleet Academy, but with the state of television these days, it would be watered down to be Glee In Space.

I see a problem with this premise.  Actually, a few.

1) Location, Location, Location.
"To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life, new civilizations..." Starfleet Academy would be the dryest possible place for ongoing storytelling I can imagine. One location, under Highly controlled military conditions. I don't know how well you remember your college years, but based on my experience you couldn't make an interesting commercial out of the whole thing, much less a series. In a matter of episodes, you have Space Harry Potter, who discovers some arc of conspiracy in the faculty.

They did this once, a LONG time ago - "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet." It was an interesting enough show for its time, and I'd really suggest you dig it up - it's fun, in a nostalgic way. But they were working in a universe where the Unknown started just outside of Earth's atmosphere. Pirates based on the moon, etc. In the Star Trek universe, Earth is dead center of the Federation - they probably have Ikea stores on the moon. To get the cadets anywhere testing, they'd have to get Waaay outside of our solar system, into something really unknown... which they wouldn't, because it's Starfleet, and they are cadets. They don't even get close to anyplace interesting until they graduate and are assigned to some soft-duty position to get their space legs.

Same Old, Same Old
Deep Space Nine suffered because it was stuck in one place - people came, people went, but there they were, stuck in a station. They went to monumental lengths to try to break that monotony. Space Gods in the wormhole, an invasion by Odo's people, bickering with the Cardassians... going back in time, visiting grandpa, Worf's kid...

And again, Starfleet Academy is San Francisco. Earth. Nobody's getting close to bickering, attacking, God bothering. So you end up locked in a soap opera. There's no sense of danger there. It's a day care center in uniforms. The mountain doesn't come to Mohammad; for a steady flow of new situations, you need to go to them, not wait for them to come to you.
 
2013-09-08 02:37:49 PM
Seriously, Geek to Geek, I hope JJ Abrams gets Lou Gehrig's disease...

www.flicksandbits.com
 
2013-09-08 02:45:31 PM
Star Trek TOS is foreplay for my sons Mother and I.

Depending on the mood of the night, sometimes I'll burst out laughing when some "exploration type into music" is playing while I'm...exploring in an introductory manner.

Last year she got a blue tunic, ears, hair for being a vulcan on Halloween but we didn't make it out.  I'll try again this year, instead of HAZMAT guy I'm going for the Shat.  Pics to follow. No sharp knees, guaranteed. :)
 
2013-09-08 03:02:09 PM
FrancoFile: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: For my part, I would like to see any restart go back more closely to the original concept.

Gene's idea was that this should be a story recapturing the same isolated, sovreign independence of a ship's captain as existed in the great days of sail, when the captain was on his own and communications with home were few and far between.

I believe one of the phrases he used in pitching it, or in a story guide, was "Horatio Hornblower in space"


You are indeed correct, sir.  Bonus points for remembering that one.  Most folks remember the more commonly repeated pitch of 'Wagon Train to the Stars'.

Gene had read the Hornblower books and was somehat the fan of them.  He wanted a show that had the same sort of situation.

Interesting guy - Bomber pilot in WWII, commercial airline pilot after the war, spent time as a cop in LA.  Wish I could find his first show, 'The Lieutenant'.

People nowadays tend to delight in trumpeting the man's flaws, which have come to light more recently, as though anything worthwhile done by someone who is not perfect in every way does not count, somehow.  Bah.  He was human, all of us have our dark sides and our sins (I know all too well from my own personal experience).  More to his credit that he tried to shoot for something better, to lift mankind's sight up from its feet to the far horizons, despite his faults.
 
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