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2013-09-08 10:37:09 AM  
Gun Owners, this is why we can't have nice things.  Yes it is nice to be able to arm yourself when back country camping 6 hours from any type of help, but be responsible.  These damn idiots who insist on being armed everywhere and then treat their gun like a set of car keys are going to make it impossible for those of us who occasionally need to be armed to have that as a legal option.
 
2013-09-08 11:16:36 AM  
And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.
 
2013-09-08 11:20:32 AM  
This tragedy could have easily been avoided if more people were armed.
 
2013-09-08 11:22:39 AM  
FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.


So... why have the gun?
 
2013-09-08 11:23:47 AM  
I know, I know; ya 'll postin in a troll thread. I just got to say; how does one go about explaining shooting and killing a child to said child's mother? Talk about an awkward conversation!
 
2013-09-08 11:24:03 AM  

Tom_Slick: Gun Owners, this is why we can't have nice things.  Yes it is nice to be able to arm yourself when back country camping 6 hours from any type of help, but be responsible.  These damn idiots who insist on being armed everywhere and then treat their gun like a set of car keys are going to make it impossible for those of us who occasionally need to be armed to have that as a legal option.


FTA:  The forested campsite where the shooting occurred sits near a developed area in the Wyoming section of the park known as Grant Village, which features a ranger station, lodge, stores and other amenities.

Not so back-country.
 
2013-09-08 11:24:15 AM  

gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?


You never know when you'll accidentally run across a feral 6-year-old.
 
2013-09-08 11:24:39 AM  

Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.


Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.
 
2013-09-08 11:25:02 AM  

gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?


'Cause fark a bear rummaging through your tent.
 
2013-09-08 11:25:25 AM  

iheartscotch: I know, I know; ya 'll postin in a troll thread. I just got to say; how does one go about explaining shooting and killing a child to said child's mother? Talk about an awkward conversation!


According to TFA, the child accidentally shot herself.
 
2013-09-08 11:25:39 AM  
A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-08 11:25:58 AM  

Infernalist: gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?

You never know when you'll accidentally run across a feral 6-year-old.


S'truth.  I'd forgotten.  Mine is 13 now.  I locked him in a barrel a la Heinlein last year.  I'm thinking about bunging in the cork fairly soon.
 
2013-09-08 11:26:03 AM  
Worse...bears are attracted to the scent of fresh blood.
 
2013-09-08 11:26:41 AM  
Fark_Guy_Rob:
Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Waiting period for swimming pools?  Diving locks?
 
2013-09-08 11:27:54 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.


Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?
 
2013-09-08 11:28:16 AM  

PainfulItching: gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?

'Cause fark a bear rummaging through your tent.


Sure.

Know how I can tell you've never been camping in Yellowstone or anywhere out west?
 
2013-09-08 11:28:37 AM  

Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.


I must have missed the part about Dad in tfa. Sounds like a mother and daughter out camping.
 
2013-09-08 11:28:55 AM  

anfrind: iheartscotch: I know, I know; ya 'll postin in a troll thread. I just got to say; how does one go about explaining shooting and killing a child to said child's mother? Talk about an awkward conversation!

According to TFA, the child accidentally shot herself.


I didn't see that part. They were pretty vague about the chain of events leading up to the incident.
 
2013-09-08 11:29:06 AM  
So, once again Farklibs politicize a tragedy that has absolutely nothing to do with "guns" per se. This troubled teen committed suicide.
 
2013-09-08 11:29:19 AM  

WickerNipple: Fark_Guy_Rob:
Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Waiting period for swimming pools?  Diving locks?


I think locks generally go on big canals, not backyard swimming pools.
 
2013-09-08 11:29:22 AM  
They really should televise the Darwin Awards, I'd like to see these proud parents claiming their trophy.
 
2013-09-08 11:29:44 AM  
The data is best when served cold.

The simple fact is having a gun around means that you and those in your family and circle of friends are at a much higher risk of being injured or killed by that same gun (by suicide, accident, or homocide) than any criminal is.

The thought that it protects you from others around whom you think are out to get you is simply unsupported.
 
2013-09-08 11:30:25 AM  

JNowe: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

I must have missed the part about Dad in tfa. Sounds like a mother and daughter out camping.


You're right, mea culpa, I just automatically assumed that the dumbass in question was a dude.  Dumbasses come in both genders.
 
2013-09-08 11:31:06 AM  

Infernalist: Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?


You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds
 
2013-09-08 11:31:08 AM  

PainfulItching: gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?

'Cause fark a bear rummaging through your tent.


I don't think a bear is going to be scared away by a hundgun.

CSB: My dad used to be a park ranger at Glacier National Park.  At one time when he worked there, a hunter shot a grizzly bear through the heart with a hunting rifle, and the bear was still able to run for about 20 minutes after (judging by where the body was found).  Luckily for the hunter, the bear decided to run away after being shot.
 
2013-09-08 11:31:51 AM  
Were they blind?
 
2013-09-08 11:32:27 AM  

Tom_Slick: Gun Owners, this is why we can't have nice things.  Yes it is nice to be able to arm yourself when back country camping 6 hours from any type of help, but be responsible.  These damn idiots who insist on being armed everywhere and then treat their gun like a set of car keys are going to make it impossible for those of us who occasionally need to be armed to have that as a legal option.


Heck, I'd prefer that even in the back country people don't have guns. I don't want to get shot because I happen to go take a piss in the middle of the night and someone in the group decides that they'll shoot the bear in the bushes.
 
2013-09-08 11:32:37 AM  

iheartscotch: Infernalist: Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?

You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds


The day when taking a bullet to the chest in moderation is relatively okay is the day when eating burgers in moderation is seen in the same light.

Also, I can't accidentally kill my child with a Big Mac.
 
2013-09-08 11:32:41 AM  
"Obvious" tag would have been a better choice.
 
2013-09-08 11:33:10 AM  

iheartscotch: I know, I know; ya 'll postin in a troll thread. I just got to say; how does one go about explaining shooting and killing a child to said child's mother? Talk about an awkward conversation!


Makes it easier when the child does it to themselves using their mother's own gun.

/responsible gun owners up in here
 
2013-09-08 11:33:57 AM  

gottagopee: PainfulItching: gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?

'Cause fark a bear rummaging through your tent.

Sure.

Know how I can tell you've never been camping in Yellowstone or anywhere out west?


True. I'm used to the swamps and prairies of south Louisiana. We got gators. But they are easier to keep out of the food. We do have panthers and black bears poking around here too.

/That's not racist
 
2013-09-08 11:34:04 AM  

iheartscotch: You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds


You know what kills very few people? Drinking bleach.

/ Don't let anyone dare tell you not to drink bleach, gun nuts.
 
2013-09-08 11:35:34 AM  

Aristocles: So, once again Farklibs politicize a tragedy that has absolutely nothing to do with "guns" per se. This troubled teen committed suicide.


You don't even try, do you.  I'm guessing your new-ish troll account has already lost it's shininess and beauty for you.
 
2013-09-08 11:36:15 AM  

Infernalist: iheartscotch: Infernalist: Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?

You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds

The day when taking a bullet to the chest in moderation is relatively okay is the day when eating burgers in moderation is seen in the same light.

Also, I can't accidentally kill my child with a Big Mac.


That's actually debatable. The habits you instill in your children will be with them their entire lives. It is entirely possible to kill a child with a Big Mac; because, if that is a regular thing, that will cause the child to feel that McDonalds is a viable option.
 
2013-09-08 11:36:39 AM  

Tom_Slick: These damn idiots who insist on being armed everywhere and then treat their gun like a set of car keys are going to make it impossible for those of us who occasionally need to be armed to have that as a legal option.


The problem is the NRA and gun lobby have built an industry telling people that Guns are no different than cars, hammers or any other 'tool'. When people are conned into believing that guns are as safe as any other device, then you are going to get things like this.
 
2013-09-08 11:36:53 AM  

PainfulItching: We do have panthers and black bears poking around here too.

/That's not racist


Black Panthers and Bears?

upload.wikimedia.orgwww.bearsgab.com
 
2013-09-08 11:36:58 AM  

lohphat: The simple fact is having a gun around means that you and those in your family and circle of friends are at a much higher risk of being injured or killed by that same gun (by suicide, accident, or homocide) than any criminal is.


The study that 'fact' is based on is rubbish. It included opposing gang members as 'friends and family.'

The study you cite is also suspicious, as it includes conflates suicides with homocides and accidents. The availability of guns only affects the suicide rate of the old and infirm. All the able bodied people will just find a different way to kill themselves.
Incidentally, if you remove suicides, 'gun death' statistics drop in half. Removing suicides is arguably appropriate when most people will just find a different method of suicide.
 
2013-09-08 11:37:13 AM  

PainfulItching: gottagopee: PainfulItching: gottagopee: FTA:  A U.S. law that took effect in 2010 allowed people to carry guns into national parks as long as federal, state and local firearms laws were met, according to the National Park Service.

Although hunting is permitted at a handful of national parks, including Grand Teton in Wyoming, hunting or even firing a gun is unlawful in Yellowstone, according to park literature.

So... why have the gun?

'Cause fark a bear rummaging through your tent.

Sure.

Know how I can tell you've never been camping in Yellowstone or anywhere out west?

True. I'm used to the swamps and prairies of south Louisiana. We got gators. But they are easier to keep out of the food. We do have panthers and black bears poking around here too.

/That's not racist


Just need to understand that bit of logic you just posted there.

You willingly insert yourself into a wild environment, full of feral animals including gators, panthers, snakes and bears...To do something, I don't know.  Fishing?  Star Gazing?  Camping?  Hiking through the muck?

And because this environment that isn't yours is full of feral animals that aren't smart enough to be afraid of humans, you need a gun to protect yourself from the environment's natural predators.

Does that about sum it up?
 
2013-09-08 11:38:03 AM  

WickerNipple: Fark_Guy_Rob:
Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Waiting period for swimming pools?  Diving locks?


Most towns require a fence around in-ground pools and a gate for above ground pools.  That's tyranny!
 
2013-09-08 11:39:18 AM  

Infernalist: You willingly insert yourself into a wild environment, full of feral animals including gators, panthers, snakes and bears...To do something, I don't know.  Fishing?  Star Gazing?  Camping?  Hiking through the muck?

And because this environment that isn't yours is full of feral animals that aren't smart enough to be afraid of humans, you need a gun to protect yourself from the environment's natural predators.

Does that about sum it up?


It's not for everyone, that's true. But some of us enjoy it (without the gun, in my case).
 
2013-09-08 11:39:28 AM  

iheartscotch: Infernalist: iheartscotch: Infernalist: Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?

You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds

The day when taking a bullet to the chest in moderation is relatively okay is the day when eating burgers in moderation is seen in the same light.

Also, I can't accidentally kill my child with a Big Mac.

That's actually debatable. The habits you instill in your children will be with them their entire lives. It is entirely possible to kill a child with a Big Mac; because, if that is a regular thing, that will cause the child to feel that McDonalds is a viable option.


If I'm a complete and total failure as a parent and allow my kid to grow up over 18 years stuffing his/her pie hole with Big Macs, they might grow up overweight and have to spend a few years learning some self-control when it comes to fast food.

If I'm an equally irresponsible parent and have a gun, shiat like this happens and the kid doesn't grow up.
 
2013-09-08 11:39:33 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: iheartscotch: I know, I know; ya 'll postin in a troll thread. I just got to say; how does one go about explaining shooting and killing a child to said child's mother? Talk about an awkward conversation!

Makes it easier when the child does it to themselves using their mother's own gun.

/responsible gun owners up in here


I do own 4 guns; none of them have managed to shoot me yet. And I have a 75 year old rifle that doesn't have a safety.
 
2013-09-08 11:40:45 AM  
If only they weren't in a National park, this never would have happened.
 
2013-09-08 11:41:05 AM  
Lemme guess, white?
 
2013-09-08 11:41:41 AM  

Infernalist: iheartscotch: Infernalist: iheartscotch: Infernalist: Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.

Yeah yeah yeah, guns are okay cause people die stupidly while doing other stuff.

With that out of the way, can we maybe not have the retarded stats argument where things that aren't meant to kill things are seen as more dangerous than things that are designed to kill things?

You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds

The day when taking a bullet to the chest in moderation is relatively okay is the day when eating burgers in moderation is seen in the same light.

Also, I can't accidentally kill my child with a Big Mac.

That's actually debatable. The habits you instill in your children will be with them their entire lives. It is entirely possible to kill a child with a Big Mac; because, if that is a regular thing, that will cause the child to feel that McDonalds is a viable option.

If I'm a complete and total failure as a parent and allow my kid to grow up over 18 years stuffing his/her pie hole with Big Macs, they might grow up overweight and have to spend a few years learning some self-control when it comes to fast food.

If I'm an equally irresponsible parent and have a gun, shiat like this happens and the kid doesn't grow up.


That, and McDonald's wasn't created to kill people. It was created to give them fast, cheap food.

Why were guns invented again?
 
2013-09-08 11:41:43 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Infernalist: And the best part is that Dad probably won't give up his guns unless ordered by the courts.  Because freedumb.

Growing up my parents had a swimming pool and a gun.

Statistically, the swimming pool was many times more likely to kill us.


thanks. for absolutely nothing. you can go back to bed now.
 
2013-09-08 11:42:06 AM  

dfenstrate: The study that 'fact' is based on is rubbish. It included opposing gang members as 'friends and family.'

The study you cite is also suspicious, as it includes conflates suicides with homocides and accidents. The availability of guns only affects the suicide rate of the old and infirm. All the able bodied people will just find a different way to kill themselves.
Incidentally, if you remove suicides, 'gun death' statistics drop in half. Removing suicides is arguably appropriate when most people will just find a different method of suicide.


If you remove most of the ways people are killed by guns from the statistics, very few people are killed by guns.

Amazing!
 
2013-09-08 11:42:24 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Infernalist: You willingly insert yourself into a wild environment, full of feral animals including gators, panthers, snakes and bears...To do something, I don't know.  Fishing?  Star Gazing?  Camping?  Hiking through the muck?

And because this environment that isn't yours is full of feral animals that aren't smart enough to be afraid of humans, you need a gun to protect yourself from the environment's natural predators.

Does that about sum it up?

It's not for everyone, that's true. But some of us enjoy it (without the gun, in my case).


In your case, I offer up a salute of respect.

Invading a feral environment for fun and carrying a gun for protection is our version of being a bear and knocking down a human's door to come in and look around for the fark of it, and then mauling the owner to death when he gets upset at you being there.
 
2013-09-08 11:42:46 AM  

Tom_Slick: Gun Owners, this is why we can't have nice things.  Yes it is nice to be able to arm yourself when back country camping 6 hours from any type of help, but be responsible.  These damn idiots who insist on being armed everywhere and then treat their gun like a set of car keys are going to make it impossible for those of us who occasionally need to be armed to have that as a legal option.


Exactly this. I live in hunting country. I know some of the most die-hard second amendment fanatics you could imagine. An awful lot of them act like their Glock is something you just toss in the little basket next to the front door with the car keys and the sunglasses when you come home from the grocery store. I know folks that keep a handgun in condition one in every room "just in case", (whatever the fark that means), including in the cabinet above the refrigerator. One of the safest and low-crime cities west of the Mississippi River and they still go around everywhere expecting to be attacked at any moment.

The revolver I use for hunting is in a holster in a bag up on a shelf with a trigger lock on it. The only firearm I have that isn't locked up is the Mossberg 550, and that isn't kept loaded anyway. I have this nifty little bandoleer with six shells in it on the stock, and I can load them all, rack a round in and have it ready to fire in under five seconds. Not that I have ever needed to.

Too many people think a firearm is just another accessory like a charm bracelet.
 
2013-09-08 11:43:36 AM  

jaytkay: iheartscotch: You know what's 40 times more deadly than guns? Heart disease. I don't hear about anyone trying to shutdown McDonalds

You know what kills very few people? Drinking bleach.

/ Don't let anyone dare tell you not to drink bleach, gun nuts.


The thing about life is; it's rather transitory and ephemeral. No one living now will live forever; it's just not possible. And when you die, regardless if you die of an accident or in home surrounded by your children; you are no less dead due to the circumstances surrounding your death.

/ the thing about life is; nobody gets out alive
 
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