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(Formula 1)   The Pressure is on for both Ferrari drivers at Monza. Alonso drives for pride, Massa wants to save his ride. Can they overcome RedBull in their manufacturer's home GP? It's the Formula 1 Italian Grand Prix. Live 8 AM ET on NBCSports   (formula1.com) divider line 46
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2013-09-08 06:24:40 AM
Word is Mario Andretti will be joining the NBC Sports crew in the booth.
 
2013-09-08 07:50:33 AM
Hulkenberg did a blinder of a lap and get the Sauber on the 2nd row. That was a drive and a half.
 
2013-09-08 08:00:22 AM
Dry but overcast as the teams are getting ready for the race. Track temp. is just 29.

Lewis starting on hard tyres.
 
2013-09-08 08:01:29 AM
Kimi and Gutierrez also on orange.

Warm up lap, drivers are preparing. Please wait warmly until they are ready....
 
2013-09-08 08:05:29 AM
Paul DiResta is out after half a lap.
 
2013-09-08 08:07:10 AM
Even Mario is calling out Webber's starts via compliments.

2nd to 3rd is an "unusually good start."
 
2013-09-08 08:08:37 AM
Let's see if Ferrari can Shake and Bake their way to the front.

/They were intentionally drafting in qualifying.
 
2013-09-08 08:13:17 AM
Is that Vettel with his blinker on?
 
2013-09-08 08:15:15 AM
Alonso is faster than Massa
 
2013-09-08 08:17:16 AM

good_2_go: Is that Vettel with his blinker on?


Noticed that myself, wondered if it's a bug or a feature?

Also with the rear wings almost flat DRS looks pretty minimal.
 
2013-09-08 08:24:03 AM

good_2_go: Is that Vettel with his blinker on?


Makes me think their "gear adjustments" were in relation to the weather they expected.

Not that it matters.

Adrian Newey's car designs are so nuts it doesn't matter. Keep in mind, his car design allowed Mario Andretti to dominate the '87 Indy 500 back when the body design rules were more open. (Mechanical failure took him out.) And he's only gotten better at high downforce, low drag designs since then, which is what this track demands.
 
2013-09-08 08:24:56 AM
As usual the only hope for others is for Vettel to have problems...
 
2013-09-08 08:27:15 AM
Vergne is out. Blue smoke coming out from the right rear of the car.
 
2013-09-08 08:33:41 AM

Tellingthem: As usual the only hope for others is for Vettel to have problems...


Or rain.

Please. Please. Let it rain.

If he wins in the rain, I won't even be mad.
 
2013-09-08 08:40:52 AM
Dammit, Massa
 
2013-09-08 08:44:32 AM
The use of thermal imaging is brilliant. I can think of another open-wheel series where the teams could really benefit from that ...
 
2013-09-08 08:50:04 AM

Ed_Severson: The use of thermal imaging is brilliant. I can think of another open-wheel series where the teams could really benefit from that ...


www.charlottemotorspeedway.com
\heh...i do love outlaws though
 
2013-09-08 08:53:08 AM
Kimi keeping pace with Seb. Fat lot of good that's doing him 41 seconds down in P14, though....

/luck is not on the Finn's side today
 
2013-09-08 08:59:08 AM
WHAR PHANTOM DEBRIS CAUTION? WHAR?
 
2013-09-08 09:04:43 AM
I'm sure that the experience of being at Monza for the GP is amazing; but televised...
 
2013-09-08 09:11:03 AM
Kimi up to P11. He should have no problem finishing in the points today, but would have had a podium finish if not for that lap 1 collision.
 
2013-09-08 09:17:18 AM
And by "no problem" I really meant "he'll struggle to hold on to P11 while defending against Lewis."
 
2013-09-08 09:22:22 AM
WTF Sutil. Really?
 
2013-09-08 09:22:42 AM
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Surprise! Seb won.
 
2013-09-08 09:26:47 AM
Well it was a race. Nice (and boring) drive by Vettel. Had some good action but man some rain would have been nice.
 
2013-09-08 09:31:52 AM
Vettel is starting to remind me why I stopped watching F1 during the Schumacher Ferrari era.

Whar close rivalries!? WHAR?

Seriously. Alonso, Kimi, and Hamilton do their best, but none of them can manage more than an outside chance of making the series interesting as a whole, let alone any given race.

I guess I just have to lower my expectations. I mean, I've always known F1 as a series where any given season is likely to be dominated by one team/driver, but this season after season shiat is just testing my patience.
 
2013-09-08 09:36:10 AM

Jensaarai: Vettel is starting to remind me why I stopped watching F1 during the Schumacher Ferrari era.


This.  I was rooting for his gearbox to disintegrate, just so the race would be worth watching.  :(
 
2013-09-08 09:53:43 AM
Was anyone else kind of disappointed by Mario in the announcers' booth?
 
2013-09-08 09:54:04 AM
Thanks to the admins for greening this thread.

We Fark F1 fans definitely need to step up and submit enough threads regularly enough that admins can expect them, and posters can count on them being there. A lot of "regulars" were missing this morning (and will probably show up with good comments later.) We need to help Fark help us if we want this to grow.
 
2013-09-08 09:57:15 AM

killershark: Was anyone else kind of disappointed by Mario in the announcers' booth?


I had low expectations. I was hoping for a few quips and a couple set-up insights, which is really all he's been good at in the booth. He's a bit too polite for race commentating. The guys who are aware have to set him up with interview style questions, where he can ramble on fairly intelligently for a minute.
 
2013-09-08 10:16:24 AM
That was a good race for second and for tenth. Little excitement out in front with Schumi Junior, but plenty of goings-on in the rest of the field.

Standings after 12 races, top ten drivers and top five teams:

VET 222
ALO 169
HAM 141
RAI 134
WEB 130
ROS 104
MAS 79
GRO 57
BUT 48 (can win the Driver's Championship, if he wins all 7 remaining races, Seb does not score more than one point and the other drivers ahead of him do not pas Vettel; he's 174 points out of first with 175 points up for grabs)
DIR 36 (mathematically eliminated for championship contention, unless he somehow manages to close the 133-point gap with Alonso and Seb gets disqualified; sufficiently improbable that it's not even worth considering)

Red Bull 352
Ferrari 248
Mercedes 245
Lotus 191
McLaren 66

The race for the drivers championship is not quite done, but Seb (leading by 53 points) seem to be running away with it. Alonso could win all 7 remaining races and Seb could still win the championship by finishing second in all of them, or third in one of them and second in the rest.

Anyway, next race is in Singapore in two weeks at 8AM Eastern/5AM Pacific. See you then.

/and thanks to Via Infinito for the month of TF
 
2013-09-08 10:26:20 AM
Are there major rules changes coming? That tends to be the only thing that shakes up standings sufficiently that one driver doesn't keep running away with it...

I didn't mind when Schumi did it because I was a big Ferrari fan but Vettel/Red Bull dominance lets me understand why so many people hated it.
 
2013-09-08 10:27:40 AM

Jensaarai: killershark: Was anyone else kind of disappointed by Mario in the announcers' booth?

I had low expectations. I was hoping for a few quips and a couple set-up insights, which is really all he's been good at in the booth. He's a bit too polite for race commentating. The guys who are aware have to set him up with interview style questions, where he can ramble on fairly intelligently for a minute.


He did better in the F1 Extra.  Good story about Newey.

/Riciardo is the luckiest man in the world this week.
//or maybe Payton Manning
 
2013-09-08 10:30:31 AM

LucklessWonder: Are there major rules changes coming? That tends to be the only thing that shakes up standings sufficiently that one driver doesn't keep running away with it...

I didn't mind when Schumi did it because I was a big Ferrari fan but Vettel/Red Bull dominance lets me understand why so many people hated it.


Back to turbocharged engines next year for the first time since the '80's.  That'll shake it up!  Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.
 
2013-09-08 10:35:30 AM

LucklessWonder: Are there major rules changes coming? That tends to be the only thing that shakes up standings sufficiently that one driver doesn't keep running away with it...

I didn't mind when Schumi did it because I was a big Ferrari fan but Vettel/Red Bull dominance lets me understand why so many people hated it.


Besides the new technical regulations for next year's cars (and any necessary sporting regulations that are forced to happen as a result of the switch to turbo V6 engines with 8-speed gearboxes), I don't think so, unless Ferrari can bribe the FIA into implementing a new rule where they give some sort of penalty to drivers who lead the championship by a certain amount, or win too many races, or lead too many laps.

/and any such rule on dominance penalties would immediately be rescinded as soon as a Ferrari driver would be punished
 
2013-09-08 11:22:41 AM

ski9600: That'll shake it up! Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.


Ferrari could use a man like that
 
2013-09-08 11:47:24 AM

ski9600: Back to turbocharged engines next year for the first time since the '80's. That'll shake it up! Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.


The new rules won't do too much. The success of the Red Bull is down to aero and the new rules don't make many changes to aero so to rein in the Newey cars the new powerplants that the others use will have to be just that much better. Or Ross Brawn finds a loophole like he did with the double defuser.

The current Red Bull dominance is down more to Newey than Vettel. You could put four or five other drivers in that car and they would be walking away with it just like Vettel. Alonso has proven he is almost without equal by getting that Ferrari even within shouting distance and now Hamilton has shown he is probably as good as Alonso by driving the wheels of the Mercedes. All Vettel has shown is that he can drive the fastest car on the grid to victories. Could he even get close in the current Ferrari or Mercedes.

I would love for the Mercedes to find a loophole and gimmick their way to a championship just to watch Red Bull whine and complain about it.
 
2013-09-08 12:03:42 PM

Norfolking Chance: ski9600: Back to turbocharged engines next year for the first time since the '80's. That'll shake it up! Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.

The new rules won't do too much. The success of the Red Bull is down to aero and the new rules don't make many changes to aero so to rein in the Newey cars the new powerplants that the others use will have to be just that much better. Or Ross Brawn finds a loophole like he did with the double defuser.

The current Red Bull dominance is down more to Newey than Vettel. You could put four or five other drivers in that car and they would be walking away with it just like Vettel. Alonso has proven he is almost without equal by getting that Ferrari even within shouting distance and now Hamilton has shown he is probably as good as Alonso by driving the wheels of the Mercedes. All Vettel has shown is that he can drive the fastest car on the grid to victories. Could he even get close in the current Ferrari or Mercedes.

I would love for the Mercedes to find a loophole and gimmick their way to a championship just to watch Red Bull whine and complain about it.


I confess I haven't been paying as much attention to F1 this year as I used to, but is Red Bull still winning races while being the slowest car on the grid through speed traps?
 
2013-09-08 12:09:34 PM

Jensaarai: killershark: Was anyone else kind of disappointed by Mario in the announcers' booth?

I had low expectations. I was hoping for a few quips and a couple set-up insights, which is really all he's been good at in the booth. He's a bit too polite for race commentating. The guys who are aware have to set him up with interview style questions, where he can ramble on fairly intelligently for a minute.


I had low expectations as well.  Mario can't do color commentary, but is good for story time.
 
2013-09-08 01:38:25 PM

costermonger: Norfolking Chance: ski9600: Back to turbocharged engines next year for the first time since the '80's. That'll shake it up! Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.

The new rules won't do too much. The success of the Red Bull is down to aero and the new rules don't make many changes to aero so to rein in the Newey cars the new powerplants that the others use will have to be just that much better. Or Ross Brawn finds a loophole like he did with the double defuser.

The current Red Bull dominance is down more to Newey than Vettel. You could put four or five other drivers in that car and they would be walking away with it just like Vettel. Alonso has proven he is almost without equal by getting that Ferrari even within shouting distance and now Hamilton has shown he is probably as good as Alonso by driving the wheels of the Mercedes. All Vettel has shown is that he can drive the fastest car on the grid to victories. Could he even get close in the current Ferrari or Mercedes.

I would love for the Mercedes to find a loophole and gimmick their way to a championship just to watch Red Bull whine and complain about it.

I confess I haven't been paying as much attention to F1 this year as I used to, but is Red Bull still winning races while being the slowest car on the grid through speed traps?


Very yes.
 
2013-09-08 01:39:41 PM

Norfolking Chance: ski9600: Back to turbocharged engines next year for the first time since the '80's. That'll shake it up! Still, the Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is at the top of his game.

The new rules won't do too much.


Maybe, we'll see.

I think the regulations on electronics (no launch control, no anti-slip, no car control, no ride height control, etc) will increase the effect of the turbo and put the race much more into the driver's control
 
2013-09-08 02:40:34 PM
I'll start hating Vettel and Red Bull when all of the above happen:
1) When they drop the Infiniti sponser; I likes me some Infiniti.
2) When the FIA is renamed to Racing Bureaucratic Internationale de l'Automobile.
3) When Red Bull violates a rule, and rather than punishing the team, the now RBIA changes the rule instead!
4) When Red Bull has Vettel's lapped teammate intentionally try to slow down cars that could catch Vettel.
5) When Red Bull has Vettel's teammate run Q3 as a draft rabbit for Vettel.
 
2013-09-08 02:53:29 PM

poughdrew: I'll start hating Vettel and Red Bull when all of the above happen:
1) When they drop the Infiniti sponser; I likes me some Infiniti.
2) When the FIA is renamed to Racing Bureaucratic Internationale de l'Automobile.
3) When Red Bull violates a rule, and rather than punishing the team, the now RBIA changes the rule instead!
4) When Red Bull has Vettel's lapped teammate intentionally try to slow down cars that could catch Vettel.
5) When Red Bull has Vettel's teammate run Q3 as a draft rabbit for Vettel.


I see your point.

/interestingly, I haven't seen Infinity commercials that reference F1 until this year
//did you see them before this year in the USA?
 
2013-09-08 03:53:47 PM

ski9600: poughdrew: I'll start hating Vettel and Red Bull when all of the above below happen:
1) When they drop the Infiniti sponser; I likes me some Infiniti.
2) When the FIA is renamed to Racing Bureaucratic Internationale de l'Automobile.
3) When Red Bull violates a rule, and rather than punishing the team, the now RBIA changes the rule instead!
4) When Red Bull has Vettel's lapped teammate intentionally try to slow down cars that could catch Vettel.
5) When Red Bull has Vettel's teammate run Q3 as a draft rabbit for Vettel.

I see your point.

/interestingly, I haven't seen Infinity commercials that reference F1 until this year
//did you see them before this year in the USA?


FTFM.  My viewership was limited before this season, since I did not get Speed, so pretty much only watched the race highlights illegally posted to the youtubes.  I really wish Lotus could do better, but hey we'll see how next year goes.  Also, boo to there maybe not being the New Jersey race next year.. was looking forward to hearing the cars in person and watching it a jumbotron.
 
2013-09-08 04:13:10 PM

poughdrew: Also, boo to there maybe not being the New Jersey race next year.. was looking forward to hearing the cars in person and watching it a jumbotron.


The mafia in West New York either did not bribe Bernie with enough money or the check didn't clear in time. This is probably why there will be a race in Mexico and Russia but not New Jersey.

/would have gone to see it, too :(
 
2013-09-09 02:02:25 AM
I thought this might be relevant here...

Will Buxton @willbuxton 10m
Kimi to Ferrari? Until last night I didn't believe it. Now I don't know what to think. If the rumours are true, the next week will be mad.

Will Buxton @willbuxton
If the story I heard last night turns out to be true, the driver market could be about to take an incredible twist.

Will Buxton @willbuxton
MT @SportmphMark: Am hearing Kimi/Ferrari deal now agreed. Dramatic developments ahead?

Will Buxton @willbuxton
Note, no mention of who Kimi would replace. Some say Massa goes. Some say Fernando. Some say both.
 
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