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2013-09-08 08:07:09 AM  
i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.
 
2013-09-08 08:09:09 AM  
Haha, "non-profit university", that's funny.
 
2013-09-08 08:09:33 AM  
I have my degree in doctoring from Hollywood Upstairs Medical School. I majored in fondling girly parts.
 
2013-09-08 08:17:01 AM  

JackalRabbit: i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.


Its too bad you don't know how to apply your education. Maybe you should try a community college?
 
2013-09-08 08:17:07 AM  

JackalRabbit: i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.


And the people who paid 3x as much to get an "associates degree" in "Technology" are getting paid $10/hr to stack boxes for the IT department.. (if they got that good of a job).
 
2013-09-08 08:18:18 AM  
Subby, that sounds like most trust fund kids.
 
2013-09-08 08:18:33 AM  
The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.
 
2013-09-08 08:21:10 AM  

maddogdelta: JackalRabbit: i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.

And the people who paid 3x as much to get an "associates degree" in "Technology" are getting paid $10/hr to stack boxes for the IT department.. (if they got that good of a job).


I farking hate my MIS degree :(
 
2013-09-08 08:22:42 AM  

Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.


I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?
 
2013-09-08 08:24:56 AM  

wild9: I farking hate my MIS degree :(


I taught at an ITT learning first hand just how evil for profit schools were.

Sales guy  Adviser had a rube who was getting a partial scholarship to RIT.  He convinced the kid and his mom that he didn't want to take all those extra classes that didn't have anything to do with tech, and just get his associates from ITT.  Convinced the kid and was crowing about it.

That was the second closest I ever came to committing murder in my life.
 
2013-09-08 08:26:57 AM  

kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?


No, he understands that for profit schools are evil. So he paints them all with the same brush, so that he can then make the false claim that real schools are just as bad as for profits.

// the same tactic as when someone claims that "equal rights for gays/women/latvian dwarves is a religion"
 
2013-09-08 08:31:23 AM  

JackalRabbit: i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.


And you aren't a C-level executive yet?  Someone call the President!

Seriously though, the "for-profits" really do suck.  My favorite experience was a job applicant with a freshly minted "Masters degree" in information security who was unable to even describe the role of a firewall, VPN, or intrusion prevention.  Further, she knew no standards, had no comprehension of compliance, and didn't even understand the basics of a security policy.  That is not an unusual experience either.

If I see someone with a resume that contains one of these places, it goes to the bottom of the pile now.
 
2013-09-08 08:40:23 AM  

kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?


A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".
 
2013-09-08 08:40:29 AM  

maddogdelta: kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

No, he understands that for profit schools are evil. So he paints them all with the same brush, so that he can then make the false claim that real schools are just as bad as for profits.

// the same tactic as when someone claims that "equal rights for gays/women/latvian dwarves is a religion"


They are all for profit. Some are better deals than others. Buyer beware.
 
2013-09-08 08:42:19 AM  
FTFA: "Stymied by the courts last year, the U.S. Department of Education is again going after for-profit colleges for spending lots of federal student loan dollars to churn out students who don't get jobs. The administration proposes turning off the aid spigot for colleges and vocational programs whose graduates' loan debt exceeds 12 percent of the annual income (or 30 percent of their discretionary income) for two out of three years after leaving school."

LOL WUT?  I think this would apply to most four year public universities and their students as well as any for-profit school.
 
2013-09-08 08:46:15 AM  

AngryDragon: JackalRabbit: i have a liberal arts degree in philosophy and creative thinking, you're damn right I should be getting paid $15/hr to work at this here Micky D's.

And you aren't a C-level executive yet?  Someone call the President!

Seriously though, the "for-profits" really do suck.  My favorite experience was a job applicant with a freshly minted "Masters degree" in information security who was unable to even describe the role of a firewall, VPN, or intrusion prevention.  Further, she knew no standards, had no comprehension of compliance, and didn't even understand the basics of a security policy.  That is not an unusual experience either.

If I see someone with a resume that contains one of these places, it goes to the bottom of the pile now.


So I take it she wasn't easy on the eyes?
 
2013-09-08 08:50:20 AM  
"For-profit higher education's failings have the feds exercised anew. "

Stopped reading here.
 
2013-09-08 08:52:26 AM  

CRNewsom: FTFA: "Stymied by the courts last year, the U.S. Department of Education is again going after for-profit colleges for spending lots of federal student loan dollars to churn out students who don't get jobs. The administration proposes turning off the aid spigot for colleges and vocational programs whose graduates' loan debt exceeds 12 percent of the annual income (or 30 percent of their discretionary income) for two out of three years after leaving school."

LOL WUT?  I think this would apply to most four year public universities and their students as well as any for-profit school.


On the bright side, we wouldn't have any new MDs, scientists, lawyers, or teachers. Those are all pretty useless professions, right?
 
2013-09-08 08:53:44 AM  

badhatharry: maddogdelta: kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

No, he understands that for profit schools are evil. So he paints them all with the same brush, so that he can then make the false claim that real schools are just as bad as for profits.

// the same tactic as when someone claims that "equal rights for gays/women/latvian dwarves is a religion"

They are all for profit. Some are better deals than others. Buyer beware.


This. "For-profit" schools are just more open than "non-profit" schools about their desire to make money.

And it is possible to graduate from a for profit school. I have a bachelor's degree from a non-profit state school and a master's from a for-profit institution.
 
2013-09-08 08:54:42 AM  
It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.
 
2013-09-08 08:56:01 AM  

CowardlyLion: CRNewsom: FTFA: "Stymied by the courts last year, the U.S. Department of Education is again going after for-profit colleges for spending lots of federal student loan dollars to churn out students who don't get jobs. The administration proposes turning off the aid spigot for colleges and vocational programs whose graduates' loan debt exceeds 12 percent of the annual income (or 30 percent of their discretionary income) for two out of three years after leaving school."

LOL WUT?  I think this would apply to most four year public universities and their students as well as any for-profit school.

On the bright side, we wouldn't have any new MDs, scientists, lawyers, or teachers. Those are all pretty useless professions, right?


Exactly.  Their definition of excessive student load debt is on par with the fee associated with a using a recruiter.  Unless they are talking about the payments for said loans (in which case the article is a total fail).
 
2013-09-08 08:57:07 AM  

Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.


I doubt community colleges or (some) state schools are for-profit. Or they're just phenomenally bad at obtaining profit, given that they cost <10% as much as other colleges/universities.
 
2013-09-08 08:58:03 AM  

sycraft: kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".

non profit universities build huge stadiums and pay million dollar coaches
 
2013-09-08 08:58:38 AM  

badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.


You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."
 
2013-09-08 08:58:59 AM  
Meanwhile Europe sighs and shakes its head at its neighbors across the pond.
 
2013-09-08 09:00:29 AM  

sycraft: kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".


Those are the people who graduated from a diploma mill, probably with a degree in finance.
 
2013-09-08 09:00:31 AM  

sycraft: kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".


non profit universities build huge stadiums and pay millon dollar coaches
 
2013-09-08 09:02:00 AM  

kwame: badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.

You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."


Have you bought a college textbook lately?
 
2013-09-08 09:05:29 AM  

badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.

You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."

Have you bought a college textbook lately?


Textbook prices? That's it?
 
2013-09-08 09:05:48 AM  

haywatchthis: sycraft: kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".

non profit universities build huge stadiums and pay millon dollar coaches


They build the stadiums and pay coaches big bucks because they bring in millions more in "non-profits".
 
2013-09-08 09:07:23 AM  
I contacted one of those for-profits because of one interesting course of study. The immediate attempt at a hard sell was enough for me to tell them never to contact me again.

/Has a degree from a "real" university
/Disgusted with must of the academic system
 
2013-09-08 09:07:59 AM  

farkmedown: I contacted one of those for-profits because of one interesting course of study. The immediate attempt at a hard sell was enough for me to tell them never to contact me again.

/Has a degree from a "real" university
/Disgusted with must of the academic system


"much", you git
 
2013-09-08 09:08:15 AM  

kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?


They're sure as shiat not charities. And when I watch as universities pay millions to football coaches, build stadiums, cover up crimes, jack up tuition year after year, charge hundreds of dollars for books, and more- I wonder how anyone can think that they're NOT for profit.

Just because the university  itself is not an according to Hoyle for-profit institution has nothing to do with whether it exists to turn a profit. There are people making huge amounts of money from the so-called "non-profit" colleges and universities in this country, and it's not the students.
 
2013-09-08 09:08:45 AM  

badhatharry: They build the stadiums and pay coaches big bucks because they bring in millions more in "non-profits".


Which never go to the university as a whole, but instead continue to fund the athletic department
 
2013-09-08 09:10:48 AM  

kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-08 09:12:59 AM  

kwame: badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.

You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."

Have you bought a college textbook lately?

Textbook prices? That's it?


No, book publishers are not the ones doing well.
 
2013-09-08 09:14:01 AM  

haywatchthis: sycraft: kwame: Cyclometh: The best part is the premise that there is such a thing as a college or university that is NOT for profit.

I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

A lot of people don't understand what "profit" is so they think anything that takes in a lot of money must have "profit".
non profit universities build huge stadiums and pay million dollar coaches


Not my alma mater
 
2013-09-08 09:14:06 AM  
One of my first jobs out of college was working as an admissions adviser at a for-profit college.  I was grateful for the education I had just received and my now-wife had just started her career as a college professor.  I believed in higher education.

I was good at it, but I quit within two months.  All the 'advisers' are reading a script, everyone gets in, and it really is just an opportunity to bleed the feds of aid money.  This is before you consider the personal loans that the students also have to take out in addition to their federal aid.

For profit colleges are a scam by and large.
 
2013-09-08 09:15:56 AM  

maddogdelta: wild9: I farking hate my MIS degree :(

I taught at an ITT learning first hand just how evil for profit schools were.

Sales guy  Adviser had a rube who was getting a partial scholarship to RIT.  He convinced the kid and his mom that he didn't want to take all those extra classes that didn't have anything to do with tech, and just get his associates from ITT.  Convinced the kid and was crowing about it.

That was the second closest I ever came to committing murder in my life.


CSB Time: I work part time for a for profit school. I would always make sure a interested party checked out multiple options and let them know what they should expect. A lot of schools arent like that.

/Lookin at you, Bamford Round.
 
2013-09-08 09:17:13 AM  

badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.

You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."

Have you bought a college textbook lately?

Textbook prices? That's it?

No, book publishers are not the only ones doing well.

 
2013-09-08 09:17:33 AM  
Unfortunately if you want a culinary degree you are basically forced to go to a for-profit school...

/will have my BA in Culinary Management from the Art Institute of Colorado in December.
//paid for by Social Security through the Division of Vocational Rehabilitation.
///becoming disabled is the best thing that has ever happened to me...
////SLASHIES!!!!
 
2013-09-08 09:18:39 AM  

Cyclometh: kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

They're sure as shiat not charities. And when I watch as universities pay millions to football coaches, build stadiums, cover up crimes, jack up tuition year after year, charge hundreds of dollars for books, and more- I wonder how anyone can think that they're NOT for profit.

Just because the university  itself is not an according to Hoyle for-profit institution has nothing to do with whether it exists to turn a profit. There are people making huge amounts of money from the so-called "non-profit" colleges and universities in this country, and it's not the students.


Uh. Someone is making money off of everything in this country. It's called capitalism.

And your comment about students not making money is just silly. You sound mad.
 
2013-09-08 09:19:39 AM  

Tarl3k: Unfortunately if you want a culinary degree you are basically forced to go to a for-profit school...

/will have my BA in Culinary Management from the Art Institute of Colorado in December.
//paid for by Social Security through the Division of Vocational Rehabilitation.
///becoming disabled is the best thing that has ever happened to me...
////SLASHIES!!!!


I know you are sounding so positive and I really love when people use a lot of slashies but fark if this isn't the most depressing thing I have read all morning.
Have to be disabled to get decent help with school.... fark me.
 
2013-09-08 09:21:00 AM  

badhatharry: badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: kwame: badhatharry: It's a gold rush. Whether the education is at a non-profit or for profit, the people really getting rich are the people selling shovels.

You must be really poor to qualify anyone in higher ed. as "getting rich."

Have you bought a college textbook lately?

Textbook prices? That's it?

No, book publishers are not the only ones doing well.


I see you've adjusted your position from "getting rich" to "doing well."
 
2013-09-08 09:21:32 AM  

kwame: Cyclometh: kwame: I don't get it. Are you claiming all universities are for-profit institutions?

They're sure as shiat not charities. And when I watch as universities pay millions to football coaches, build stadiums, cover up crimes, jack up tuition year after year, charge hundreds of dollars for books, and more- I wonder how anyone can think that they're NOT for profit.

Just because the university  itself is not an according to Hoyle for-profit institution has nothing to do with whether it exists to turn a profit. There are people making huge amounts of money from the so-called "non-profit" colleges and universities in this country, and it's not the students.

Uh. Someone is making money off of everything in this country. It's called capitalism.

And your comment about students not making money is just silly. You sound mad.


24.media.tumblr.com


Yes I used it twice in one thread.
 
2013-09-08 09:23:27 AM  

Tarl3k: Unfortunately if you want a culinary degree you are basically forced to go to a for-profit school...

/will have my BA in Culinary Management from the Art Institute of Colorado in December.
//paid for by Social Security through the Division of Vocational Rehabilitation.
///becoming disabled is the best thing that has ever happened to me...
////SLASHIES!!!!


I don't understand why public colleges or vocational schools don't offer this. Just means less competition for you. Best of luck. Lots of opportunities out there for people with the papers. You should do well with some experience added to it.
 
2013-09-08 09:24:05 AM  

kwame: And your comment about students not making money is just silly. You sound mad.


You sound uninformed.
 
2013-09-08 09:25:33 AM  

CRNewsom: FTFA: "Stymied by the courts last year, the U.S. Department of Education is again going after for-profit colleges for spending lots of federal student loan dollars to churn out students who don't get jobs. The administration proposes turning off the aid spigot for colleges and vocational programs whose graduates' loan debt exceeds 12 percent of the annual income (or 30 percent of their discretionary income) for two out of three years after leaving school."

LOL WUT?  I think this would apply to most four year public universities and their students as well as any for-profit school.


Some of these schools are starting to be seen as a threat to the traditional university system.  Obama is just helping out his buddies in academia by squashing the competition.
 
2013-09-08 09:27:24 AM  

Cataholic: Some of these schools are starting to be seen as a threat to the traditional university system.


No, they really aren't.
 
2013-09-08 09:27:49 AM  

Cyclometh: kwame: And your comment about students not making money is just silly. You sound mad.

You sound uninformed.


Oh heavens. Someone linked a scholarly article. I am defeated.

You should probably make sure you know who you're talking to before you call that person uninformed.
 
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