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(LA Times)   Rabbi informs the public that rich people are less likely to be compassionate than poor people. This is not a repeat from 30 AD   (latimes.com) divider line 81
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2013-09-08 06:45:18 AM  
And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place.

This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

Sadly, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it...
 
2013-09-08 08:45:35 AM  

Amos Quito: Yeah, but rich people are far more likely to stuff politicians with pork and promises of candy... candy... candy...

So there's that.


Exactly which group do you think those politicians belong to?

The greatest thing US politicians have been able to do is convince Americans about this whole "Man of the People" bullshiat.  "We are doing everything we can to help the poor/sick/uneducated/disadvantaged", goes home to their multi-million dollar house and 8 figure net worth.  At least CEOs don't even try to run that game usually and no one believes them if they do.
 
2013-09-08 09:16:36 AM  
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2013-09-08 09:17:37 AM  
This just shows that science and religion don't mix.

Imagine Wolpe, famous talking head on all those History channel archaeology shows, quoting a serious study in Scientific American about the "compassion" transformation that predictably happens after wealth. And while it doesn't have a household name like the Stockholm Effect or the Stanford Prison Experiment -- it's just as true. Maybe the Romero Thing would be a good name.

Imagine talking about this effect long ago with a guy from a family so rich they ran out of buildings around town to name. And yes one of the guys in the group claimed to be a rabbi.
 
2013-09-08 09:27:56 AM  
Rabbis would know, they work for tips.
 
2013-09-08 09:31:14 AM  

NFA: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....


Nothing wrong with the Carnegie method of estate planning.
 
2013-09-08 09:35:37 AM  
"And the rich came up to me saying they wanted to get into the kingdom of heaven. I said, well, it's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle that it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven." "That was pretty surreal of you." "Yeah, well, I'd been smoking a bit that day. But the rich, they got huge blenders and put camels into them and made them into liquid camel, and then they squirted them with very fine jets through the eyes of needles. So they're all coming up now."

(from Eddie Izzard, "Jesus and Man")
 
2013-09-08 09:47:36 AM  
Yeah, but with their sedentary lifestyles the rich are more tender and well marbled, like veal.

You poor farkers are just stringy and fatty.
 
2013-09-08 09:50:24 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: I checked his credentials.....Not a real Rabbi.


upload.wikimedia.org

If you're going to challenge David Wolpe's ordination credentials, you had better provide some evidence. Everyone knows he's JTS.
 
2013-09-08 10:06:49 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Yeah, but with their sedentary lifestyles the rich are more tender and well marbled, like veal.

You poor farkers are just stringy and fatty.


Good , when civilization starts to  collapse and we turn to cannibalization . I know where to go 1st.
 
2013-09-08 10:26:06 AM  
I listen to this tripe from some member of the religious left about as much as I listen to the tripe from any member of the religious right. Which is somewhere near zero.
 
2013-09-08 11:46:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.


Blessed are the job creators, hallowed be their investment accounts.

/yes, I know it's PN
 
2013-09-08 11:47:05 AM  

DiffMavis: Pocket Ninja: for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities.

AHH yes, it's definitely laziness. If everyone just became stock brokers and CEOs instead of farmers, miners, and teachers, the wealth disparity would evaporate overnight. They're just so lazy, they don't have the time or effort to invest all that money they don't have in the futures markets.

Good call!


He wasn't being serious. Pocket Ninja has never been serious.
 
2013-09-08 12:02:15 PM  
Actually it's written AD 30 not 30 AD.
it's years before #### BC then it flips to AD ####
If you want to be correct in the format.
 
2013-09-08 12:04:18 PM  

Mad Canadian: It boils down to dividing people into two groups.

1) Believe that ALL people are created equal.

or

2) Believe that ALL people are created equal, but SOME people are more equal than others.

Once you realize which group someone is in, everything falls into place.


Neither #1 or #2 are correct. SOME people are born with particular talents that just happen to be in extremely high demand at the point in time they were born into.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are two primary examples of this phenomenon. If they had been born either 20 years earlier, or 20 years later - it is unlikely that you would even know their names. They happen to have  particular talents for something that just happened to come along at the right time in history.

Not suggesting that they wouldn't have been fine engineers, working for some company - but Apple and Microsoft would likely have been companies with different names, piloted by other people (who would be household names).
 
2013-09-08 12:17:09 PM  
I "casual carpool" into work across the the SF Bay nearly every day. (Yes, it's a real thing and thousands of people do it.)

A few years ago, they started collecting toll for the carpool lanes, and many riders began offering a dollar to the drivers. (There's an ongoing argument about whether payment should be expected.)

Where I catch the carpool, we get a good mix of low-income drivers in beat-up hoopties, and well-to-do drivers, coming down from the hills, in new luxury cars.

I offer a dollar every time I ride, and I keep a record of how often the dollar is accepted. Surprisingly, the drivers decline more often than accepting.

The interesting thing is that I can fairly accurately predict who will take the offered dollar.

While in general, people who have really old beaters tend to accept the dollar, as you would expect, the people in very expensive cars (e.g. Mercedes, BMW) nearly unfailingly take the dollar.
 
2013-09-08 12:37:03 PM  
How do you think they got rich?
 
2013-09-08 01:14:43 PM  

Shedim: Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?

How on Earth does that happen?


See this thread.
 
2013-09-08 01:37:34 PM  

rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Compassion isn't just giving a shiatload of money away.
 
2013-09-08 04:03:11 PM  
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2 pages and no one posted this? Oy..

/Not Jewish...
// Happy New Year to Those that are!
 
2013-09-08 06:09:04 PM  
It mite be.
 
2013-09-08 07:37:23 PM  

Ghastly: meyerkev: Well, duh.

I'd modify it to "Poor people are chintzy because they like eating food", "Middle Class people are good tippers", and "Rich people are rich because they got rich by (among other things) not giving away money."

/Or they got rich by actually pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and wonder why everyone else can't do the same thing.

Well maybe if MY dad gave me a farking bootstrap factory for my 18th birthday too I'd be as rich as they are.


Maybe if you came up with an idea, product, or service that benefited people, developed it, sold it while working 70 - 80 hours a week you would be too.

But I bet you have a job that you quite learning how to do better a long time ago and are blaming everyone but yourself aren't you?

Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Suck it and get back to work or be happy where you. Quit being a little biatch blaming others and saying its only because of handouts from daddy warbucks for where you are.
 
2013-09-08 07:38:23 PM  
Many people seem to only learn compassion from suffering.

So you must suffer.
 
2013-09-08 10:34:19 PM  

Visionmn2: Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away


Sure you do.
 
2013-09-09 05:07:37 AM  
Visionmn2:
Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Fool. That's what you get for paying yourself in wages instead of stocks. The clever don't pay nearly that much.
Also, I reckon you started out broke, naked and slathered in vernix, just like everyone else. Good thing you got some help then.
 
2013-09-09 07:45:10 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


Nah, I'm guessing that someone will make a crack about sending all the poor or rich people into space and Quantum Apostrophe will use that as his cue to start calling everyone "Space Nutters." Either that or

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2013-09-09 09:22:41 AM  

E5bie: Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Fool. That's what you get for paying yourself in wages instead of stocks. The clever don't pay nearly that much.
Also, I reckon you started out broke, naked and slathered in vernix, just like everyone else. Good thing you got some help then.


Was more for the point and impact.  Of course there are investments involved but one hits a point where the all mighty Roth is no longer a vehicle and with IRAs and other investment avenues I am sure it will come to be close to 50% in today's dollars after taxes and all the fees throughout the years when that money comes out.  Additionally there are taxes and fees on just about everything we do or buy so add those on as well.

The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.
 
2013-09-09 10:46:56 AM  
Well, duh. How you think they made that money?
 
2013-09-09 11:18:05 AM  
Visionmn2:
The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.

It's "woe" is me. And if Ghastly's comment riled you up, you might want to change the batteries in your satire detector.
 
2013-09-09 11:28:28 AM  

Apik0r0s: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Apik0r0s: 30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.

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AD is reckoned from the birth of that guy.

OK, so, -27 AD. My point stands. Priesthoods; religious, financial, legal or otherwise - are a scourge upon the earth.


All right, I'll bite.

Assume he was born at the year 1 AD (disregarding any miscalculations and calendar changes since then, and that there is no such thing as Year 0 AD; the year immediately before that was Year 1 BC).  Then, by Year 30 AD, he would be 29 years old.  If anything, -27 AD would be 27 BC, decades before his birth.

He is also considered by many Jews, both of his age and since, as a Rabbi - if not one who has received formal training, as one who was wise and taught.  Hence, the headline.  Also, among the Jewish population, there were many on both sides.  Well, maybe I should say all three sides, as I imagine, like many things, there were a number of people in the "Don't give a damn" camp.  Those in authority, who actually gave the order, being Pilate and the Romans in charge, where of course not Jewish, nor Rabbis, of course.  Interestingly, King Herod wasn't Jewish either.
 
2013-09-09 11:36:33 AM  

E5bie: Visionmn2:
The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.

It's "woe" is me. And if Ghastly's comment riled you up, you might want to change the batteries in your satire detector.


Good point. Satire batteries charging... Please stand by.
 
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