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(LA Times)   Rabbi informs the public that rich people are less likely to be compassionate than poor people. This is not a repeat from 30 AD   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2013-09-07 11:51:52 PM  
Yeah, but rich people are far more likely to stuff politicians with pork and promises of candy... candy... candy...

So there's that.
 
2013-09-07 11:54:17 PM  
Ric Romero is now part of a rabbinate?
 
2013-09-08 12:04:25 AM  
Shocking.
 
2013-09-08 12:07:40 AM  
Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.
 
2013-09-08 12:22:45 AM  

Apos: Ric Romero is now part of a rabbinate?


This.
 
2013-09-08 12:38:47 AM  
Greed is not a social good.
 
2013-09-08 01:03:54 AM  
Did he do it while hopping on one leg?
 
2013-09-08 01:08:10 AM  
Well, duh.

I'd modify it to "Poor people are chintzy because they like eating food", "Middle Class people are good tippers", and "Rich people are rich because they got rich by (among other things) not giving away money."

/Or they got rich by actually pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and wonder why everyone else can't do the same thing.
 
2013-09-08 01:09:35 AM  
Would like a word with the good Rabbi
www.entmoney.com
 
2013-09-08 01:14:54 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.


Rich people == intelligent
Non-rich people == unmotivated

Got it.
 
2013-09-08 01:15:29 AM  
I checked his credentials.

/Not a real Rabbi.
//Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-09-08 01:18:02 AM  

meyerkev: Well, duh.

I'd modify it to "Poor people are chintzy because they like eating food", "Middle Class people are good tippers", and "Rich people are rich because they got rich by (among other things) not giving away money."

/Or they got rich by actually pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and wonder why everyone else can't do the same thing.


Well maybe if MY dad gave me a farking bootstrap factory for my 18th birthday too I'd be as rich as they are.
 
2013-09-08 01:18:14 AM  

rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi
[www.entmoney.com image 600x349]


And conservatives loudly insult their efforts.
 
2013-09-08 01:21:44 AM  
[rubs butt across carpeting]
 
2013-09-08 01:22:50 AM  

Amos Quito: Yeah, but rich people are far more likely to stuff politicians with pork and promises of candy... candy... candy...

So there's that.


Candied bacon is a strong temptation for many. Only the most stalwart and/or weak-stomached can resist its call...
 
2013-09-08 01:23:26 AM  

jaytkay: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi
[www.entmoney.com image 600x349]

And conservatives loudly insult their efforts.


I didn't see the word "conservative" in this section, but I did see the LA Times cited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation#Critic i sm
 
2013-09-08 01:25:40 AM  
It boils down to dividing people into two groups.

1) Believe that ALL people are created equal.

or

2) Believe that ALL people are created equal, but SOME people are more equal than others.

Once you realize which group someone is in, everything falls into place.
 
2013-09-08 01:30:32 AM  
Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-09-08 01:31:59 AM  

rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi



Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....
 
2013-09-08 01:33:21 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.


nice.
 
2013-09-08 01:35:31 AM  

NFA: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....


NFA: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....


Sorta,  I could retire on what's in their kids lunch money trust.
 
2013-09-08 01:36:13 AM  

jaytkay: And conservatives loudly insult [Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's] efforts.


rkiller1: I didn't see the word "conservative"


You can Google the headlines below for starters. Sorry I don't have time to make proper links. Also sorry you are so misinformed.

Senate GOP blocks Obama's 'Buffett rule' for minimum tax rate on millionaires
Fox's Gasparino Dismisses Warren Buffett's Success Because Of His Support For High-End Tax Raises
Common Core Foes' Laughable Gates Foundation Conspiracy-Theorizing
 
2013-09-08 01:38:15 AM  

Kittypie070: [rubs butt across carpeting]


Sets vet appointment.  Here kitty kitty kitty....
 
2013-09-08 01:38:36 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


I haven't had any abortions. Why are you accusing me, a man, of having abortions? TROLL!!

Also I do not have a camel so YOU ARE RONG!!
 
2013-09-08 01:39:50 AM  

Apos: Ric Romero is now part of a rabbinate?


farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-08 01:39:57 AM  

jaytkay: Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?

I haven't had any abortions. Why are you accusing me, a man, of having abortions? TROLL!!

Also I do not have a camel so YOU ARE RONG!!


You got sumthin ganst camels motherfarker?!
 
2013-09-08 01:51:37 AM  

Pocket Ninja: for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities.


AHH yes, it's definitely laziness. If everyone just became stock brokers and CEOs instead of farmers, miners, and teachers, the wealth disparity would evaporate overnight. They're just so lazy, they don't have the time or effort to invest all that money they don't have in the futures markets.

Good call!
 
2013-09-08 02:01:36 AM  

DiffMavis: Pocket Ninja: for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities.

AHH yes, it's definitely laziness. If everyone just became stock brokers and CEOs instead of farmers, miners, and teachers, the wealth disparity would evaporate overnight. They're just so lazy, they don't have the time or effort to invest all that money they don't have in the futures markets.

Good call!


Are you new here? Pocket Ninja is not a debate partner. He is a satirical clown for our enjoyment.
 
2013-09-08 02:03:55 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: I checked his credentials.

/Not a real Rabbi.
//Move along. Nothing to see here.


Were you next to him at the pee trough?
 
2013-09-08 02:12:39 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


So, sort of a camel/coat-hanger thread.
 
2013-09-08 02:19:15 AM  
30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.
 
2013-09-08 02:21:45 AM  
30 posts into a wealth thread, 2 different farkers are arguing in earnest with a Pocket Ninja post and there are 8 mentions of "abortion." I like where this thread is going.
 
2013-09-08 02:22:11 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: I checked his credentials.

/Not a real Rabbi.
//Move along. Nothing to see here.


And, there it is. Only the priesthood is allowed to act like priests.
 
2013-09-08 02:25:33 AM  

Apik0r0s: 30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.


Ya pays your money, ya takes your chances.  I'm not saying he owed the rabbi money, but ehh...
 
2013-09-08 02:28:33 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: 30 posts into a wealth thread, 2 different farkers are arguing in earnest with a Pocket Ninja post and there are 8 mentions of "abortion." I like where this thread is going.


i15.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-08 02:32:42 AM  

Apik0r0s: 30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.


thatsthejoke.jpg

AD is reckoned from the birth of that guy.
 
2013-09-08 02:41:01 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Apik0r0s: 30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.

thatsthejoke.jpg

AD is reckoned from the birth of that guy.


OK, so, -27 AD. My point stands. Priesthoods; religious, financial, legal or otherwise - are a scourge upon the earth.
 
2013-09-08 02:42:59 AM  
I volunteer as an EMT and social worker doing 'victim services' type stuff.

People on welfare are largely a bunch of ungrateful farks.

Middle and upper income people are generally grateful and gracious for help offered to them.
 
2013-09-08 02:45:50 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


How on Earth does that happen?
 
2013-09-08 02:49:47 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


To be honest, if more poor people aborted their babies they would have more money for other necessities.  Like spinning rims.
 
2013-09-08 03:00:00 AM  

wingnutx: I volunteer as an EMT and social worker doing 'victim services' type stuff.

People on welfare are largely a bunch of ungrateful farks.

Middle and upper income people are generally grateful and gracious for help offered to them.


How do you determine their income range?
 
2013-09-08 03:25:09 AM  

thisisarepeat: wingnutx: I volunteer as an EMT and social worker doing 'victim services' type stuff.

People on welfare are largely a bunch of ungrateful farks.

Middle and upper income people are generally grateful and gracious for help offered to them.

How do you determine their income range?


Based on a combination of talking to the person and personal observation. When we are trying to provide resources for someone we end up finding out what they are already a recipient of.

I really should amend that to be 'people on welfare versus people who largely support themselves', not a specific income level.
 
2013-09-08 03:25:41 AM  
Dear Rabbi: Nooooooooo shiat.
 
2013-09-08 03:44:20 AM  

rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi
[www.entmoney.com image 600x349]


Two exceptions aren't enough to undermine the rule.  Besides, one reason why Ayn Rand is so popular with these people is it gives them an excuse to behave like assholes.
 
2013-09-08 04:01:17 AM  

NDP2: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi
[www.entmoney.com image 600x349]

Besides, one reason why Ayn Rand is so popular with these people is it gives them an excuse to behave like assholes.


Can't they just use bath-salts and alcohol like the rest of us.
 
2013-09-08 04:13:46 AM  
So, besides the arbitrary invention "money", what is the difference between economics and ecology.

It's all competition for resources right, and those that have more, have more, because they are better at getting it.
 
2013-09-08 04:33:09 AM  
Cause and effect, man.  TFA probably has 'em backwards.  Lacking compassion and prioritizing profit over other things a big halp if you're trying to gain lots of wealth, it's not the wealth that makes people dicks.
 
2013-09-08 04:50:41 AM  
Most rich people rarely come into close contact with those in need. I recently asked a child in our school in Westwood if he knew anyone who ever went to bed hungry for lack of food. "No one," he answered. I suspect that's typical. Increasingly in America, wealth insulates us: Where once we sat on bleachers together, now the wealthy sit in box seats. They fly in private planes (or relax in exclusive clubs at the airport), live behind gates and in general maintain a buffer from those who are less fortunate. Studies suggest that actual personal distance in conversation grows with wealth as well.

Exactly.

When I was a kid I went to school with poor folks. I had friends who were one step away from being 'dirt' poor. The town was small then, with only a very few 'rich' people. The rest were working middle class. Then, along came a community for the very wealthy, positioned right on the barrier island, where you needed to have a 7 figure income just to be considered as a resident.

Boy! Did things change and not for the better, IMO. Property values started climbing and suddenly, we started accumulating gated communities where none were before and the acreage on the island went from $5000 for a lot to $50,000 almost over night.

I used to prowl the beaches at night when I got off work around 11:00 and no one bugged me. I drove a beater of a car. Liked to night fish. Even hunted for Spanish Gold. Within 2 decades, I started getting stopped by the cops because my car wasn't new enough. Cops checked on me if I was metal detecting along the beaches. I noticed more cops in that area than anywhere else in town.

Over the years I've worked for many rich folks and they just don't think like us. Many have been pleasant enough, but their sense of values seem skewed. Like an elderly couple had a home nursing aid take care of the husband during the week and they thought she was the best thing since peanut butter. She drove 30 miles one way in a car that was essentially held together with rust and tape. Since their kids were all rich and out of state, she invited these folks over for Xmas and they had a great time. She used to bring them home cooked thanksgiving dinner.

The man had an old Cadillac in prime shape and wanted to get a new one, but the dealers would not give him what he felt the old one was worth. So he decided to give it to one of his sons, who did not want it and admitted he'd sell it.

Yet, here was the Nursing Aide who sputtered into town every day in a rolling wreck, bent over backwards to be nice to them and help them out, and it never dawned on either of them to just give her the car.

I aint rich but I have given a couple of cars away when I got another one. Usually to friends who have needed them.

I've worked for wealthy folks in various professions and learned the true meaning of 'it's just business' when they slashed a friends throat to gain an advantage. Then they couldn't understand why I had a hard time with that concept. Plus they still stayed friends!

Someone once told me that the majority of charitable donations come from the rich and without them, many museums and colleges could not exist. I considered that when they plowed down some wonderful wild woods to poke in a golf course and clubhouse. Then they plowed under land that was considered too ecologically endangered to build on so they could install $500,000 houses with a view of the river.

I wondered how much they would contribute to charity if it were not tax deductible.

We have a homeless shelter in my town that struggles from week to week to survive. Most homeless folks somehow manage to get run out of town, which is illegal but it happens. Instead of donating to the shelter, the well off folks built a live theater to put on plays -- right on the barrier island. Then they built a museum and commissioned a remarkably ugly steel I beam sculpture to go in front. Right behind it, they plowed over the best spot to harvest oysters along the river and put in tennis courts, a walking path and a boat ramp.

I wondered if a fraction of those millions might have been better used at the homeless shelter. However, dirty, stinky people usually occupy the place and don't measure up to a gleaming new museum or well tended, rustic walking path.

They put in a couple of nice little parks. Renovated a few 'historic' buildings, gentrified the old main street and even moved an old rail way station, renovated it and poked it in a park by the rails as a historic building -- even though there hasn't been a train stopping in our town for decades.

Yet, during the hard times, the government started free food banks for those who qualified. Once a month you showed up and got a selection of odd, off brand goods, like canned meats, vegetables, Kusin Jud's Ciken Soup, boxes of macaroni and so on. It helped a lot of folks.

The warehouse they used was donated by the city, which decided to tear it down, so the bank had to move -- but couldn't find anywhere in town cheap enough to rent. No one would give them a break. So they moved 25 miles away to their main base in the next city. That means a lot of local folks can't get there to get the free food.

Yet I can drive around town and spot many unused and rotting buildings owned by the city that could have been used for the give away. There are warehouses going out of business, but they won't lower the rents for the food bank.

The rich own a lot of properties, most developed and many empty, but they'll tear them down if they catch the homeless living in them and they will not rent them out for a reasonable rate.

The last hurricane washed a freighter over the reef and it beached on the shore of a wealthy lady's home. She raised such a stink about it being there on 'her' beach that they had the thing pulled out and removed in record time while everyone else was trying to recover from the massive damages the storm caused.

The freighter blocked her scenic view. Plus it was rusty and work battered and generally unpleasant to view.

Money changes people and a whole lot of it can change them dramatically. Especially if you grow up surrounded by obscene amounts of money.

A wealthy guy I took care of once reamed out his company manager, who was on vacation in another state with his family. He said things to him over the phone that made me want to punch him in the nose. He concluded the call by telling the guy if he wanted his job, he had better be back in the office by the next day.

I might have done the world a favor by going out back, getting a 2x4 and just whacking him in the head a few times with it.

He died about a year later, after firing my arse anyhow because I had problems treating him with the respect he felt he 'deserved'. His wife, a quiet, small woman, wound up moving in her much younger tennis instructor almost before the dirt packed down on his grave.

I think they should have driven a spike through his heart just to make sure and then poured cement over everything, laced with rebar.

Know what? I don't even recall his name. His small factory closed up some years ago and I don't think anyone even misses it. I don't even recall the name of the place.

However, he did live in this huge house in a gated community with security, right on the oceans edge, valued then at almost a million. His wife got it all. I figure she deserved it after putting up with him.

Funny. I've found people in the lower and middle classes much more generous with their time and money than I ever have among the wealthy.
 
2013-09-08 05:45:21 AM  

NFA: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....


Give kids college and a car, plus connections --> big leg up in the world.
Give kids more on top of that --> diminishing returns.
Give kids multiple millions just for existing --> more harm than good.
 
2013-09-08 06:27:44 AM  

The Lone Gunman: Pocket Ninja: Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.

Rich people == intelligent
Non-rich people == unmotivated

Got it.


Someone's never read a PN post before :)

BTW how was LBJ as a boss?
/sorry for the conspiracy nuttery
 
2013-09-08 06:45:18 AM  
And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place.

This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

Sadly, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it...
 
2013-09-08 08:45:35 AM  

Amos Quito: Yeah, but rich people are far more likely to stuff politicians with pork and promises of candy... candy... candy...

So there's that.


Exactly which group do you think those politicians belong to?

The greatest thing US politicians have been able to do is convince Americans about this whole "Man of the People" bullshiat.  "We are doing everything we can to help the poor/sick/uneducated/disadvantaged", goes home to their multi-million dollar house and 8 figure net worth.  At least CEOs don't even try to run that game usually and no one believes them if they do.
 
2013-09-08 09:16:36 AM  
i86.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-08 09:17:37 AM  
This just shows that science and religion don't mix.

Imagine Wolpe, famous talking head on all those History channel archaeology shows, quoting a serious study in Scientific American about the "compassion" transformation that predictably happens after wealth. And while it doesn't have a household name like the Stockholm Effect or the Stanford Prison Experiment -- it's just as true. Maybe the Romero Thing would be a good name.

Imagine talking about this effect long ago with a guy from a family so rich they ran out of buildings around town to name. And yes one of the guys in the group claimed to be a rabbi.
 
2013-09-08 09:27:56 AM  
Rabbis would know, they work for tips.
 
2013-09-08 09:31:14 AM  

NFA: rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Well to be honest, they both decided to give their fortunes to pet projects rather than leave it to their families.

So there's that....


Nothing wrong with the Carnegie method of estate planning.
 
2013-09-08 09:35:37 AM  
"And the rich came up to me saying they wanted to get into the kingdom of heaven. I said, well, it's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle that it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven." "That was pretty surreal of you." "Yeah, well, I'd been smoking a bit that day. But the rich, they got huge blenders and put camels into them and made them into liquid camel, and then they squirted them with very fine jets through the eyes of needles. So they're all coming up now."

(from Eddie Izzard, "Jesus and Man")
 
2013-09-08 09:47:36 AM  
Yeah, but with their sedentary lifestyles the rich are more tender and well marbled, like veal.

You poor farkers are just stringy and fatty.
 
2013-09-08 09:50:24 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: I checked his credentials.....Not a real Rabbi.


upload.wikimedia.org

If you're going to challenge David Wolpe's ordination credentials, you had better provide some evidence. Everyone knows he's JTS.
 
2013-09-08 10:06:49 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Yeah, but with their sedentary lifestyles the rich are more tender and well marbled, like veal.

You poor farkers are just stringy and fatty.


Good , when civilization starts to  collapse and we turn to cannibalization . I know where to go 1st.
 
2013-09-08 10:26:06 AM  
I listen to this tripe from some member of the religious left about as much as I listen to the tripe from any member of the religious right. Which is somewhere near zero.
 
2013-09-08 11:46:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, imagine for a moment, if you can, being someone responsible for not only earning a fortune and making all of the intelligent business decisions that doing such requires, but also for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities. Do you think that perhaps you might feel slightly dis-compassionate on some days? Perhaps a little resentful? No? Well, then, perhaps you should nominate yourself for sainthood. Even the wealthy are human, subby. Even they must occasionally bend to the service of baser emotions. Perhaps you should learn to forgive them those infrequent failings, as they so often -- daily, even -- forgive the failings of those whom they benefit.


Blessed are the job creators, hallowed be their investment accounts.

/yes, I know it's PN
 
2013-09-08 11:47:05 AM  

DiffMavis: Pocket Ninja: for ensuring that enough of your wealth is redistributed via downward trickles so that the less motivated underclasses are permitted their basic necessities.

AHH yes, it's definitely laziness. If everyone just became stock brokers and CEOs instead of farmers, miners, and teachers, the wealth disparity would evaporate overnight. They're just so lazy, they don't have the time or effort to invest all that money they don't have in the futures markets.

Good call!


He wasn't being serious. Pocket Ninja has never been serious.
 
2013-09-08 12:02:15 PM  
Actually it's written AD 30 not 30 AD.
it's years before #### BC then it flips to AD ####
If you want to be correct in the format.
 
2013-09-08 12:04:18 PM  

Mad Canadian: It boils down to dividing people into two groups.

1) Believe that ALL people are created equal.

or

2) Believe that ALL people are created equal, but SOME people are more equal than others.

Once you realize which group someone is in, everything falls into place.


Neither #1 or #2 are correct. SOME people are born with particular talents that just happen to be in extremely high demand at the point in time they were born into.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are two primary examples of this phenomenon. If they had been born either 20 years earlier, or 20 years later - it is unlikely that you would even know their names. They happen to have  particular talents for something that just happened to come along at the right time in history.

Not suggesting that they wouldn't have been fine engineers, working for some company - but Apple and Microsoft would likely have been companies with different names, piloted by other people (who would be household names).
 
2013-09-08 12:17:09 PM  
I "casual carpool" into work across the the SF Bay nearly every day. (Yes, it's a real thing and thousands of people do it.)

A few years ago, they started collecting toll for the carpool lanes, and many riders began offering a dollar to the drivers. (There's an ongoing argument about whether payment should be expected.)

Where I catch the carpool, we get a good mix of low-income drivers in beat-up hoopties, and well-to-do drivers, coming down from the hills, in new luxury cars.

I offer a dollar every time I ride, and I keep a record of how often the dollar is accepted. Surprisingly, the drivers decline more often than accepting.

The interesting thing is that I can fairly accurately predict who will take the offered dollar.

While in general, people who have really old beaters tend to accept the dollar, as you would expect, the people in very expensive cars (e.g. Mercedes, BMW) nearly unfailingly take the dollar.
 
2013-09-08 12:37:03 PM  
How do you think they got rich?
 
2013-09-08 01:14:43 PM  

Shedim: Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?

How on Earth does that happen?


See this thread.
 
2013-09-08 01:37:34 PM  

rkiller1: Would like a word with the good Rabbi


Compassion isn't just giving a shiatload of money away.
 
2013-09-08 04:03:11 PM  
t2.gstatic.com

2 pages and no one posted this? Oy..

/Not Jewish...
// Happy New Year to Those that are!
 
2013-09-08 06:09:04 PM  
It mite be.
 
2013-09-08 07:37:23 PM  

Ghastly: meyerkev: Well, duh.

I'd modify it to "Poor people are chintzy because they like eating food", "Middle Class people are good tippers", and "Rich people are rich because they got rich by (among other things) not giving away money."

/Or they got rich by actually pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and wonder why everyone else can't do the same thing.

Well maybe if MY dad gave me a farking bootstrap factory for my 18th birthday too I'd be as rich as they are.


Maybe if you came up with an idea, product, or service that benefited people, developed it, sold it while working 70 - 80 hours a week you would be too.

But I bet you have a job that you quite learning how to do better a long time ago and are blaming everyone but yourself aren't you?

Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Suck it and get back to work or be happy where you. Quit being a little biatch blaming others and saying its only because of handouts from daddy warbucks for where you are.
 
2013-09-08 07:38:23 PM  
Many people seem to only learn compassion from suffering.

So you must suffer.
 
2013-09-08 10:34:19 PM  

Visionmn2: Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away


Sure you do.
 
2013-09-09 05:07:37 AM  
Visionmn2:
Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Fool. That's what you get for paying yourself in wages instead of stocks. The clever don't pay nearly that much.
Also, I reckon you started out broke, naked and slathered in vernix, just like everyone else. Good thing you got some help then.
 
2013-09-09 07:45:10 AM  

Aquapope: Is this going to be another camel and needle's eye thread that derails into an abortion thread?


Nah, I'm guessing that someone will make a crack about sending all the poor or rich people into space and Quantum Apostrophe will use that as his cue to start calling everyone "Space Nutters." Either that or

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-09 09:22:41 AM  

E5bie: Started in a 100$ car without a muffler living in a tent down by the river. No help to be found by Uncle Sam or otherwise. Now I have to give 50 percent of my income away above and beyond creating jobs and working my ass off.

Fool. That's what you get for paying yourself in wages instead of stocks. The clever don't pay nearly that much.
Also, I reckon you started out broke, naked and slathered in vernix, just like everyone else. Good thing you got some help then.


Was more for the point and impact.  Of course there are investments involved but one hits a point where the all mighty Roth is no longer a vehicle and with IRAs and other investment avenues I am sure it will come to be close to 50% in today's dollars after taxes and all the fees throughout the years when that money comes out.  Additionally there are taxes and fees on just about everything we do or buy so add those on as well.

The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.
 
2013-09-09 10:46:56 AM  
Well, duh. How you think they made that money?
 
2013-09-09 11:18:05 AM  
Visionmn2:
The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.

It's "woe" is me. And if Ghastly's comment riled you up, you might want to change the batteries in your satire detector.
 
2013-09-09 11:28:28 AM  

Apik0r0s: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Apik0r0s: 30 AD? I think I heard about this being said in roughly -1 AD, buy a guy who got nailed to a piece of wood because of Rabbis.

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AD is reckoned from the birth of that guy.

OK, so, -27 AD. My point stands. Priesthoods; religious, financial, legal or otherwise - are a scourge upon the earth.


All right, I'll bite.

Assume he was born at the year 1 AD (disregarding any miscalculations and calendar changes since then, and that there is no such thing as Year 0 AD; the year immediately before that was Year 1 BC).  Then, by Year 30 AD, he would be 29 years old.  If anything, -27 AD would be 27 BC, decades before his birth.

He is also considered by many Jews, both of his age and since, as a Rabbi - if not one who has received formal training, as one who was wise and taught.  Hence, the headline.  Also, among the Jewish population, there were many on both sides.  Well, maybe I should say all three sides, as I imagine, like many things, there were a number of people in the "Don't give a damn" camp.  Those in authority, who actually gave the order, being Pilate and the Romans in charge, where of course not Jewish, nor Rabbis, of course.  Interestingly, King Herod wasn't Jewish either.
 
2013-09-09 11:36:33 AM  

E5bie: Visionmn2:
The point of the post was to show that it's up to someone to take responsibility for themselves and quite blaming others for the whoa is me position they are in.  Don't like something, change it.

It's "woe" is me. And if Ghastly's comment riled you up, you might want to change the batteries in your satire detector.


Good point. Satire batteries charging... Please stand by.
 
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