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2013-09-07 12:23:03 PM
Another important launch for Wallops Island.  Next week they send up a new cargo vessel to the ISS.
 
2013-09-07 01:33:31 PM
I didn't realize they had a launch site in Virginia now.

News:  NASA launches new lunar probe.  Fark:  Florida tag not applicable
 
2013-09-07 01:36:08 PM
That time-lapse looks great.  I watched it from my balcony last night and it was much less dramatic but still neat.
 
2013-09-07 01:36:13 PM
I was watching from South Jersey and here is how mine brain functioned

11:26: "Hmm I wonder how easy it will be to see"
11:27: "Mother of god that thing is hauling ass!!"
 
2013-09-07 01:39:40 PM
"iconic" photo?
 
2013-09-07 01:40:02 PM
Hey pretty LADEE!
 
2013-09-07 01:40:52 PM

ArkPanda: I didn't realize they had a launch site in Virginia now.

News:  NASA launches new lunar probe.  Fark:  Florida tag not applicable


apparently for quite some time - from wiki:  There have been over 16,000 launches from the range at Wallops since its founding in 1945 in the quest for information on the flight characteristics of airplanes, launch vehicles, and spacecraft; and to increase the knowledge of the Earth's upper atmosphere and the near-space environment. The launch vehicles vary in size and power from the smallmeteorological rockets to orbital-class vehicles.
 
2013-09-07 01:41:09 PM

ArkPanda: I didn't realize they had a launch site in Virginia now.


It's been there forever actually
 
2013-09-07 01:41:20 PM

styckx: I was watching from South Jersey and here is how mine brain functioned

11:26: "Hmm I wonder how easy it will be to see"
11:27: "Mother of god that thing is hauling ass!!"


WaPo has a nice collection of photos from the launch.

LADEE launch

Yes, it was haulin` ass :)
 
2013-09-07 01:42:10 PM

Mazzic518: "iconic" photo?


Haha, I thought the same thing.  Maybe the author thought iconic meant "really farking cool?"
 
2013-09-07 01:44:51 PM
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LADEE! With the launching and the bright light over New York and the flavin...
 
2013-09-07 01:46:24 PM
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2013-09-07 01:46:37 PM
My first thought was that looks just like a Peacekeeper missile.

Quick GIS.

Minotaur V is a derivative of the Peacekeeper.
 
2013-09-07 01:48:29 PM
And SpaceX is in the hunt for an additional east coast launch site as well.  They may build something in Puerto Rico so they don't have to worry with export licenses.
 
2013-09-07 01:48:36 PM

ArkPanda: I didn't realize they had a launch site in Virginia now.

News:  NASA launches new lunar probe.  Fark:  Florida tag not applicable


Neither did I, even after reading the article.

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"Slade Sohmer is editor-in-chief of HyperVocal..."

Keep up the good work.
 
2013-09-07 01:50:07 PM

"Just a rocket over NYC, no biggie"


Coachella Tupac is relieved.

 
2013-09-07 01:50:19 PM
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2013-09-07 01:51:41 PM
I always knew Virginia had the launch site but I was wondering.. Why this launch was one of the first able to be seen so easily and get so much fanfare? Is it because they rarely launch at night or is it because it's going to the moon and the launch trajectory took it over a part of earth that is very uncommon?
 
2013-09-07 01:53:33 PM
Very cool indeed, Subby. Thanks!
 
2013-09-07 02:11:06 PM

styckx: I always knew Virginia had the launch site but I was wondering.. Why this launch was one of the first able to be seen so easily and get so much fanfare? Is it because they rarely launch at night or is it because it's going to the moon and the launch trajectory took it over a part of earth that is very uncommon?


My understanding is that it's the first lunar launch from that facility, and that it's part of the efforts to launch more stuff from there, for whatever reason. From what I can gather, it was launched directly into a highly-elliptical orbit that will intercept the moon after three orbits, as opposed to the LEO the Apollo missions launched into initially, but I dunno how that affects the visibility of the launch.

From wiki-  The first payload launched into orbit from Wallops wasatop a Scout booster, on February 15, 1961.

So yeah, this isn't really anything all that new.
 
2013-09-07 02:20:04 PM

styckx: I always knew Virginia had the launch site but I was wondering.. Why this launch was one of the first able to be seen so easily and get so much fanfare? Is it because they rarely launch at night or is it because it's going to the moon and the launch trajectory took it over a part of earth that is very uncommon?


Usually they launch towards the southeast, so that any crashes occur out in the Atlantic. But yes, this launch required a different trajectory. Just like some shuttle launches went up the east coast instead of out to sea.
 
2013-09-07 02:26:00 PM

styckx: I was watching from South Jersey and here is how mine brain functioned

11:26: "Hmm I wonder how easy it will be to see"
11:27: "Mother of god that thing is hauling ass!!"


That's kind of how I felt when I watched one of the last Shuttle launches...from Buzzards Bay.
 
2013-09-07 02:29:25 PM
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Guess he needed a practice shot.
 
2013-09-07 02:29:55 PM
Story: Unprecedented launch of NASA space vehicle from Virginia.

New York City: LOOK AT MEEEE!! LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!
 
2013-09-07 02:38:33 PM
I saw it launch in Norfolk, VA. It was visible for almost three minutes and I got to see the second stage launch. That was pretty cool. Here's a picture I took of it.

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Sorry, it could have been better. No tripod but steadying the camera against a railing helped. Now I know what to expect, I'll get it better in the future.
 
2013-09-07 02:42:40 PM
My facebook friends split themselves into 2 categories last night, those who read NASA press releases and those who don't.

Those who do, at 11:20PM: "I'm excited about this launch of LADEE on a Minotaur V."

Those who don't, at 11:30PM: "Y'all, listen up... I just saw a UFO."
 
2013-09-07 02:44:37 PM

Norad: Story: Unprecedented launch of NASA space vehicle from Virginia.

New York City: LOOK AT MEEEE!! LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!


Of course.
 
2013-09-07 02:45:20 PM
Mass panic in NY then? Or were there loudspeaker announcements that this was just a rocket launch and the US is not under attack?
 
2013-09-07 02:49:17 PM
To conform with Fark and generational standards, I proclaim the the coolest picture EVAR! EVAR, EVAR!

Well, maybe not EVAR, but in the history of mankind, post dinosaurs, it might be...

Hope the photog will be selling prints cause that really is a cool picture
 
2013-09-07 02:50:38 PM
Spaceflightnow has great coverage of all these things.

From what I've read, it's in a highly-inclined orbit so that it can easily get into a lunar polar orbit.  Hence the east-coast-hugging launch trajectory.

Wallops island has been used for lots and lots of weather studies and low-orbit environment studies, and a number of tests of rocket systems back in the early days - it's a lot closer to Langley than Florida is.

Orbital Sciences has been doing a lot of stuff there in the last 15 years, and the state of Virginia has kicked in $$ to build up the facility infrastructure.  It has a lower latitude than Baikonur and can launch into ISS-inclination orbits just as easily as KSC.
 
2013-09-07 02:51:47 PM
The Minotaur V rocket is actually an LGM-118 Peacekeeper (MX) ICBM rebuilt into a commercial launch vehicle.

Those cool ass pictures, imagine that times 100 and you can imagine what the end of the world would have looked like as the flew out of Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska
 
2013-09-07 02:51:56 PM
OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

www.washingtonpost.com
Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?
 
2013-09-07 02:55:28 PM
Wallops Island is a fun place to visit if you are on the Delmarva.  We were there in April for the Orbital Sciences launch in April, the visitors center is pretty close to the launch site.  Well actually we were there on Sunday the day it was supposed to launch but was cancelled due to the weather.  It launched the following Monday when it was totally overcast in MA.

Fun fact: George H W Bush crashed at the navel air station down the road.
 
2013-09-07 02:58:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x563]
Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?


It orbits the earth a few times, and the earth is round.
 
2013-09-07 03:00:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x563]
Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?


Needs to orbit the Earth first, so yeah, illusion- it is not just going up, it is going 'around'... Be assured that the rocket's altitude at the end of that rocket trail is significantly higher than at any other point along said trail...
 
2013-09-07 03:00:28 PM

TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x563]
Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?


That picture is an optical illusion, combine with the fact that you don't understand orbital physics.

It's being put into earth orbit.  At some point, it has to dip below what you see as the horizon.
 
2013-09-07 03:00:43 PM
So, what percentage of New Yorkers panicked and called 9-1-1, thinking that it was a terrorist attack?
 
2013-09-07 03:04:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?


Know how I know you've never seen the movie Apollo 13?
 
2013-09-07 03:04:31 PM
Watched it from our driveway in Harford Co. Md. Very cool, saw the first stage burn out and the second kick in. Real nice smoke trail too, Perfect night for viewing
 
2013-09-07 03:07:51 PM
 I heard about this on NPR and was tempted to post an "anonymous tip" on the alex jones forums about a false flag nuke strike on the east coast.
 
2013-09-07 03:10:51 PM

logieal: TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?

Know how I know you've never seen the movie Apollo 13?


I saw it, but it was a long time ago, around the time it came out.

FrancoFile: TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x563]
Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?

That picture is an optical illusion, combine with the fact that you don't understand orbital physics.

It's being put into earth orbit.  At some point, it has to dip below what you see as the horizon.


Well, that's why I asked, since the article said it was heading to lunar orbit, it didn't make initial sense that it would orbit the Earth, you'd think that they'd just launch it at the moon, but I've heard and read about using planetary bodies as gravitational slingshots, so I guess that's what they're doing here with the Earth.
 
2013-09-07 03:14:47 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It's being put into earth orbit. At some point, it has to dip below what you see as the horizon.

Well, that's why I asked, since the article said it was heading to lunar orbit, it didn't make initial sense that it would orbit the Earth, you'd think that they'd just launch it at the moon, but I've heard and read about using planetary bodies as gravitational slingshots, so I guess that's what they're doing here with the Earth.


In this case, it's not really a slingshot.  It's just more efficient to adjust your orbit when you make the burn close to the perigee (low spot) or apogee (high spot).  They have it in an ellipse around the earth - then they'll stretch that ellipse out until it goes behind the moon - at which point they'll contract the ellipse into a moon-centered orbit.

Watch some youtube videos of Kerbal Space Program to understand how that works.  Scott Manley does some good stuff.
 
2013-09-07 03:14:57 PM
Didn't see shiat.

Of course, I am 500 miles inland from Wallops Island.
 
2013-09-07 03:16:49 PM
I was in Carova (OBX) and just fond out yesterday about the launch.  Of course, had to stay up late to watch.  First thing I noticed was a bright orange glare on the horizon and within ten seconds I could see the rocket.  Watching the first stage fall off was pretty damn cool.  When the second stage dropped off, it was almost out of sight, but the next booster rocket brightened the view again.

I can only say this was something that was pretty damn awesome to watch.  What surprised me the most was that how long I was able to view it.  Good job NASA.  Let's have some more mid-Atlantic coast launches.
 
2013-09-07 03:16:52 PM
I was in Carova (OBX) and just found out yesterday about the launch.  Of course, had to stay up late to watch.  First thing I noticed was a bright orange glare on the horizon and within ten seconds I could see the rocket.  Watching the first stage fall off was pretty damn cool.  When the second stage dropped off, it was almost out of sight, but the next booster rocket brightened the view again.

I can only say this was something that was pretty damn awesome to watch.  What surprised me the most was that how long I was able to view it.  Good job NASA.  Let's have some more mid-Atlantic coast launches.
 
2013-09-07 03:17:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I saw it, but it was a long time ago, around the time it came out.


Well, that's why I asked, since the article said it was heading to lunar orbit, it didn't make initial sense that it would orbit the Earth, you'd think that they'd just launch it at the moon, but I've heard and read about using planetary bodies as gravitational slingshots, so I guess that's what they're doing here with the Earth.


Yeah, I had similar questions at one time. My Grandfather was an engineer and worked for a subsidiary of NASA that manufactured solid rocket boosters for the shuttle, so he explained it all to me in a very long and boring technical lesson. Although I'd give just about anything to spend another afternoon with him and listen to him explain whatever he liked.

Long explanation short, if they were to just aim at the moon, they'd miss because it's moving through space around us and we are moving as well. Plus yes, they do use the earth as a gravitational slingshot.
 
2013-09-07 03:19:13 PM
Not sure how I posted within three seconds of myself.

/it's the magic of fark
 
2013-09-07 03:19:46 PM

logieal: TuteTibiImperes: OK Fark rocket scientists, in this photo it looks like the trajectory curves back towards the Earth:

Since the rocket is destined to orbit the Moon, why is that?  Shouldn't it be traveling on a path that would keep going upwards?  Is it just an optical illusion, or does it use the Earth as some sort of slingshot to achieve Lunar orbit?

Know how I know you've never seen the movie Apollo 13?


Or played Kerbal Space Program.
 
2013-09-07 03:24:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Well, that's why I asked, since the article said it was heading to lunar orbit, it didn't make initial sense that it would orbit the Earth, you'd think that they'd just launch it at the moon


The moon, you know... moves. If you just aimed your rocket straight at it, and fired, it wouldn't be "there" anymore when your rocket arrived. Extra-orbital flight is an astonishingly complex series of curved trajectories and predictions of where things *will* be. And, contrary to what most 'space'-oriented shows and movies would have one believe, spacecraft spend an exceedingly-small portion of their time under actual powered flight - usually only for minor course correction (after escaping Earth in the first place, of course). Most of their time is spent drifting without thrust ("falling") in the same direction they started off. Not at all like the flight of an airplane.
 
2013-09-07 03:27:26 PM

clovis69: The Minotaur V rocket is actually an LGM-118 Peacekeeper (MX) ICBM rebuilt into a commercial launch vehicle.

Those cool ass pictures, imagine that times 100 50 and you can imagine what the end of the world would have looked like as the flew out of Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska


FTFY

The 400th Missile Squadron's Launch Facilities (LFs) were in Wyoming.
 
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