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(WWLP)   US Coast Guard decides "Fark the 200-mile limit, if your papers aren't in order, we're going to bust your sailboat full of cocaine no matter how far out in international waters you are"   (wwlp.com) divider line 174
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2013-09-07 08:13:58 AM
Subby is almost as retarded as the War on Drugs.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-07 08:47:14 AM
I guess subby thinks that the EEZ is some sort of limit on jurisdiction?
 
2013-09-07 08:54:18 AM
Were they rebroadcasting major league baseball with only implied oral consent?
 
2013-09-07 09:51:11 AM
I takes balls to sail from Venezuela to Canada on a boat with just 2 people.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-07 10:05:45 AM
Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-07 10:10:59 AM
The immunity from search I mentioned is kind of like diplomatic immunity. It belongs to the country, not a person or ship. In 1997 Georgia waived diplomatic immunity to allow D.C. authorities to prosecute a diplomat who killed a girl in a drunk driving accident. The deputy ambassador had no right on his own to claim immunity.
 
2013-09-07 10:23:07 AM

vpb: I guess subby thinks that the EEZ is some sort of limit on jurisdiction?


You can do anything in internatonal waters.  See that ship over there?  They're rebroadcasting Major League Baseball with implied oral consent, not express written consent -- or so the legend goes.
 
2013-09-07 10:24:44 AM

jaylectricity: Were they rebroadcasting major league baseball with only implied oral consent


They'll never know the joys of a monkey knife fight.
 
2013-09-07 10:38:41 AM

jaylectricity: Were they rebroadcasting major league baseball with only implied oral consent?


*shakes tiny fist in rage*
 
2013-09-07 10:40:31 AM
That's the thing about international waters, anything goes. Oh, if you ask someone to smuggle drugs for you, and they say no, of course, no means no. But they won't say no. Because of the implication.

/makes sure he beat everyone to the other obvious "international waters" reference
//appears to have
 
2013-09-07 10:54:43 AM

Somacandra: jaylectricity: Were they rebroadcasting major league baseball with only implied oral consent

They'll never know the joys of a monkey knife fight.


There are better fights

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-07 11:08:36 AM

jake_lex: That's the thing about international waters, anything goes. Oh, if you ask someone to smuggle drugs for you, and they say no, of course, no means no. But they won't say no. Because of the implication.


Right, right. What do you mean...'implication'?
 
2013-09-07 11:09:27 AM
Has just been revoked!!!!!
 
2013-09-07 11:09:59 AM

jake_lex: That's the thing about international waters, anything goes. Oh, if you ask someone to smuggle drugs for you, and they say no, of course, no means no. But they won't say no. Because of the implication.

/makes sure he beat everyone to the other obvious "international waters" reference
//appears to have


It sounds like they don't even want to snuggle drugs.
 
2013-09-07 11:10:38 AM
If the Best Koreans were really interesting in farking up the US, they'd stop wasting what little resources they have on that nuke crap and start using their submarines to sneak tons of drugs into the US
 
2013-09-07 11:12:34 AM
Imagine the trouble the CIA had to go through to arrange this shipment and convince these two men to join the operation that would see them getting arrested by the same people who they are transporting the drugs for. Incredible. This shipment will still hit the streets courtesy of another CIA operation.
 
2013-09-07 11:13:25 AM

ZAZ: The immunity from search I mentioned is kind of like diplomatic immunity. It belongs to the country, not a person or ship. In 1997 Georgia waived diplomatic immunity to allow D.C. authorities to prosecute a diplomat who killed a girl in a drunk driving accident. The deputy ambassador had no right on his own to claim immunity.


Now you tell me!


i.imgur.com

 
2013-09-07 11:13:44 AM

ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.


How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?
 
2013-09-07 11:17:35 AM
What's with that postage stamp sized scroll area?

/Your website sucks
 
2013-09-07 11:17:51 AM

Flint Ironstag: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.

How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


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It cuts that other way as well.  You in an unregistered ship in international waters?  The North Koreans have taken an interest in you?  Hello political reeducation camp.
 
2013-09-07 11:18:45 AM
Find a boat in international waters, board it and seize everything on board. When did we become pirates?
 
2013-09-07 11:19:46 AM

Flint Ironstag: How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


From wikipedia, first hit from googling your question:  Ships sailing the high seas are generally under the jurisdiction of the flag state however, when a ship is involved in certain criminal acts, such aspiracy any nation can exercise jurisdiction under the doctrine ofuniversal jurisdiction.
 
2013-09-07 11:19:47 AM

MythDragon: Find a boat in international waters, board it and seize everything on board. When did we become pirates?


wow. smart button, right there. nice.
 
2013-09-07 11:20:20 AM

ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.



What about that Sea City place that was put on an abandoned oil derrick?  Is there any way to create something not registered to any country at all?
 
2013-09-07 11:20:49 AM

Flint Ironstag: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.

How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


Then that country can go to war with the US when their ship gets boarded. The ships that get boarded in International waters can choose to fight - good luck with that.
 
2013-09-07 11:21:19 AM

Flint Ironstag: How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


Then that country would probably object and prevent you from stopping their vessel. Just because you're in "international waters" doesn't mean it's free from the rule of law.
 
2013-09-07 11:22:17 AM
That had to be the most useless video footage I have seen on a report.
 
2013-09-07 11:23:32 AM
The US has the worlds biggest pirate fleet, and our Navy has the second biggest Air Force.
 
2013-09-07 11:25:05 AM

jake_lex: You can do anything in internatonal waters.  See that ship over there?  They're rebroadcasting Major League Baseball with implied oral consent, not express written consent -- or so the legend goes.


Same thing for that hour that is "lost" when Daylight Savings Time shifts. Expect those black helicopters in Kansas, for instance, broadcasting the wrong MLB scores out of season.
 
2013-09-07 11:26:02 AM

skinink: ZAZ: The immunity from search I mentioned is kind of like diplomatic immunity. It belongs to the country, not a person or ship. In 1997 Georgia waived diplomatic immunity to allow D.C. authorities to prosecute a diplomat who killed a girl in a drunk driving accident. The deputy ambassador had no right on his own to claim immunity.

Now you tell me!
[i.imgur.com image 468x199]


Man, you know one of the arresting cops quoted that movie.
 
2013-09-07 11:27:25 AM

Flint Ironstag: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.

How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


The key is the flag that the ship is flying. If this ship had a Chinese flag, I doubt it would have been stopped in international waters. It had a Canadian flag and Canada and the US cooperate together. If the boat was in the middle of the Indian ocean and had a US flag it could be stopped by the US as well. If I am not mistaken, the laws of the land of the flagging nation are in effect on the vessel when it is in international space. A Fark maritime shyster can correct me.
 
2013-09-07 11:28:41 AM

Flint Ironstag: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.

How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?


The U.S. courts only recently said the Coast Guard can't arrest people in FOREIGN waters. Basically we've declared we have the right to stop shipping in international waters, if the country of registration doesn't object. In this case, the boat had a false Canadian registration, and the Canadians said, "Go for it." We have that right because of the U.S. Navy. Anybody has a problem with it, they're welcome to get their own navy and do something about it.
 
2013-09-07 11:29:29 AM
We've been doing this for decades.  When I was in the Navy, we patrolled in the Caribbean for a couple of months with a Coast Guard crew on board.  A helo and a couple of small boats, think rigid Zodiac's.

Anyway they were with us because being on a Navy vessel extends US territory (or so we were told).  I was a conventional engineer and sure as shiat didn't ask questions.

We got to go to Antigua, & St. Thomas for liberty.  Got a crappy ribbon too, Coast Guard unit citation.  Not sure if they caught anyone.

Like I said an engineer, if I wasn't working or on watch in the main spaces, I was sleeping.
 
2013-09-07 11:29:51 AM
The Coast Guard Cutter Dependable found the 49-foot boat, carrying the name Elegrance and flying a Candian flag, on Monday. Canadian authorities discovered it wasn't a Canadian vessel. Prosecutors say it was identified as Callisto, whose last port of call was Venezuela.

It was truly a false flag operation.

MythDragon: Find a boat in international waters, board it and seize everything on board. When did we become pirates?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAl1tWvvPA
 
2013-09-07 11:31:27 AM

Ficoce: Flint Ironstag: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.

How can the US decide they have jurisdiction in international waters? What gives them that right? What if a certain drug is legal in the country of origin and destination but illegal in the US?

Then that country can go to war with the US when their ship gets boarded. The ships that get boarded in International waters can choose to fight - good luck with that.


That's how we handled it in 1812.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-07 11:32:49 AM
"It's the Law because  we say it's the Law."

/makes everything alright
 
2013-09-07 11:33:40 AM

ZzeusS: ZAZ: Under U.S. law the Coast Guard can stop and search a ship in international waters unless the country of registration objects.  If you're a covert drug smuggler not registered with any country, you're out of luck. If your flag belongs to a country eager to cooperate with the United States on drug issues, you're out of luck.


What about that Sea City place that was put on an abandoned oil derrick?  Is there any way to create something not registered to any country at all?


Great Britain still owns that platform, but they've never bothered to evict the squatters because, well, it's an abandoned derrick platform.

Dunno about the legalities.
 
2013-09-07 11:34:31 AM
Kinda sorta related.
Watching Deadliest Catch, the Alaska Fish and Game regulates how many crabs the fishermen can catch. They even fine if they over catch.
Granted it's probably best for the industry but what gives a state agency the right to dictate how many crabs and the season open and close if the fishermen are catching in international water?
I've googled this but cannot get any answers.

/Saturday. Don't want to mow the grass.
 
2013-09-07 11:34:59 AM

PluckYew: We've been doing this for decades.  When I was in the Navy, we patrolled in the Caribbean for a couple of months with a Coast Guard crew on board.  A helo and a couple of small boats, think rigid Zodiac's.

Anyway they were with us because being on a Navy vessel extends US territory (or so we were told).  I was a conventional engineer and sure as shiat didn't ask questions.

We got to go to Antigua, & St. Thomas for liberty.  Got a crappy ribbon too, Coast Guard unit citation.  Not sure if they caught anyone.

Like I said an engineer, if I wasn't working or on watch in the main spaces, I was sleeping.


No, they put them on Navy ships because they have more endurance, and the Coast Guard is short on cutters. The Navy can't act as law enforcement officers because of posse comitatus, so they need Coasties for that.

We did that, too, in '84. Rescued a sailor at sea, too, didn't get crap in terms of decoration.
 
2013-09-07 11:35:14 AM

dukeblue219: Then that country would probably object and prevent you from stopping their vessel complain a week after you boarded their ship, arrested their crew and confiscated their cargo.

ftfy

 
2013-09-07 11:35:43 AM

MythDragon: Find a boat in international waters, board it and seize everything on board. When did we become pirates?


when have we not been?

/fun fact the US Navy stole its first ship
 
2013-09-07 11:36:20 AM

jaylectricity: Were they rebroadcasting major league baseball with only implied oral consent?


those Monsters!
 
2013-09-07 11:38:57 AM

Fissile: If the Best Koreans were really interesting in farking up the US, they'd stop wasting what little resources they have on that nuke crap and start using their submarines to sneak tons of drugs into the US


I thought they were already number one in Meth smuggling and US money counterfeiting.
 
2013-09-07 11:38:58 AM

dukeblue219: Then that country would probably object and prevent you from stopping their vessel. Just because you're in "international waters" doesn't mean it's free from the rule of law.


mbillips: Basically we've declared we have the right to stop shipping in international waters, if the country of registration doesn't object. In this case, the boat had a false Canadian registration, and the Canadians said, "Go for it." We have that right because of the U.S. Navy. Anybody has a problem with it, they're welcome to get their own navy and do something about it.


In other words, "We're the World Police, and all international waters are now under US law enforcement."
Gee, why does the rest of the world not like us any more?
 
2013-09-07 11:40:38 AM
I prefer to believe in a magic arbitrary line that designates the rule of law from "neener neener" anarchy. I also prefer to believe that one is free to cross that line as often as one sees sit.
 
2013-09-07 11:42:21 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: What's with that postage stamp sized scroll area?

/Your website sucks


Came here just to complain about that. What an asshole website.
 
2013-09-07 11:42:32 AM
The Empire can and will do whatever it wants to do at any time.
 
2013-09-07 11:44:45 AM
This thread is a category five derp storm of personal opinions and jailhouse derp lawyers.
 
2013-09-07 11:50:49 AM
I guess the real question is, in what countries is possession of 621 kilograms of cocaine(without suitable licensing or exemption) legal?

Sure as shiat ain't in USA or Canuckistan.
 
2013-09-07 11:53:35 AM
Hey guys, guess what you are all accessories to
 
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