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(Krypton Radio)   Disney/Marvel may be seen as the epitome of corporate evil, but judge rules Stan Lee is a bigger douchebag than them   (kryptonradio.com) divider line 39
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2013-09-07 03:06:32 AM
Well... I guess we won't be seeing anymore cameos of Stan in Marvel movies.

I haven't really kept up with every frigging detail of all this, but it sure sounds like Stan is having the ultimate buyers remorse, and is being a dick about it. Let it go man, you signed away your rights many, many years ago.
 
2013-09-07 03:14:16 AM

strangeluck: Well... I guess we won't be seeing anymore cameos of Stan in Marvel movies.

I haven't really kept up with every frigging detail of all this, but it sure sounds like Stan is having the ultimate buyers remorse, and is being a dick about it. Let it go man, you signed away your rights many, many years ago.


He ripped off others that signed their rights away. Go away Stan. You have tarnished your reputation enough.
 
2013-09-07 06:21:25 AM
Did sunny miss the bit of TFA that said "Lee, who no longer has anything to do with the company with his name"?
Looks like Lee hasn't got anything to do with this company and is happy with Disney.
 
2013-09-07 06:22:04 AM

Flint Ironstag: Did sunny miss the bit of TFA that said "Lee, who no longer has anything to do with the company with his name"?
Looks like Lee hasn't got anything to do with this company and is happy with Disney.


Subby not sunny. Stupid autocorrect.
 
2013-09-07 07:00:34 AM
Jack 'The King' Kirby.

/that is all
//okay more, greatest man in comics. ever.
 
2013-09-07 07:59:41 AM
Yet another problem with copyright; the copyright holder is often not the creator of the work, and therefore does nothing to promote the creation of original works.

/not that it's possible to create a truly original work anyway
 
2013-09-07 08:10:27 AM

robohobo: Jack 'The King' Kirby.

/that is all
//okay more, greatest man in comics. ever.


So much this. The Avengers should have been called Jack Kirby's The Avengers.
 
2013-09-07 08:36:29 AM

robohobo: Jack 'The King' Kirby.

/that is all
//okay more, greatest man in comics. ever.


[Bears Repeating.gif]

Also, google Funky Flashman for a look at the real Stan Lee.
 
2013-09-07 08:39:52 AM
Excelsior this!
 
2013-09-07 08:41:07 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Yet another problem with copyright; the copyright holder is often not the creator of the work, and therefore does nothing to promote the creation of original works.

/not that it's possible to create a truly original work anyway


We're talking about Comic Books, they've had nothing to do with the creation of original works or vice-versa since the 1920s when they were mostly used for porn.
 
2013-09-07 08:45:36 AM

Flint Ironstag: Did subby miss the bit of TFA that said "Lee, who no longer has anything to do with the company with his name"?
Looks like Lee hasn't got anything to do with this company and is happy with Disney.


This. "Stan Lee Media" has nothing to do with Stan Lee anymore. Hasn't done so for years.


/Bill Finger, truly the man who deserves credit for creating Batman.
 
2013-09-07 08:47:57 AM
FTFA: SLMI claimed that Lee, who no longer has anything to do with the company with his name, signed over the rights to comic book characters...

Stan Lee signed over the rights legitimately to Marvel Comics in 1998 and is perfectly happen with the deal along with his cameos, exec producer credits, etc. But hey, I'm sure that won't stop the Kirby fanboys from blaming Lee for something he has nothing to do with.

What's deal with the Kirby Fanboyism, anyway? Is it a kind of comic geek hipsterism? Now that world+dog knows who Stan Lee is, "cool" comic book fans only like this other guy that mainstream moviegoers probably haven't heard of and who was the "real" genius?

/Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby
 
2013-09-07 08:55:59 AM

czetie: ..

What's deal with the Kirby Fanboyism, anyway? Is it a kind of comic geek hipsterism? Now that world+dog knows who Stan Lee is, "cool" comic book fans only like this other guy that mainstream moviegoers probably haven't heard of and who was the "real" genius?


Jack Kirby really was a big influence and deserves way more credit that he gets. Not from Stan Lee. Ask Stan Lee about Jack Kirby and be prepared for an hour lecture about how great he was.

No the issue is really that Jack Kirby got mad at Marvel way back in the 70s and cut off ties and never tried reconcile them while he was still alive. It is sad but it was his fault for holding grudges.
 
2013-09-07 09:13:36 AM
Thanks, farkers. I wandered in here looking for more information and got what I was hoping for.
 
ecl
2013-09-07 09:59:08 AM
He doesn't have anything to do with them, and they don't actually hold the rights to anything.  Copyright trolling as I understand it.
 
2013-09-07 10:20:19 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Yet another problem with copyright; the copyright holder is often not the creator of the work, and therefore does nothing to promote the creation of original works.

/not that it's possible to create a truly original work anyway


The incentive is the millions of dollars that the creators get.

Just because you aren't profitting off of the derivative works doesn't mean you didn't benefit from the creation.
 
2013-09-07 10:23:55 AM
Lee definitely did some major-league screwing when it came to the people who actually created the characters, but he's been away from SLMI for a while now and IIRC he got shafted pretty well by them.

/Live by the shaft, die by the shaft
//I'm talkin' bout shaft
///You can dig it
 
2013-09-07 10:37:42 AM
Calling himself "your Generalissimo" is pretty much all the proof one needs to realize he's a douchebag.
 
2013-09-07 10:42:37 AM

strangeluck: Well... I guess we won't be seeing anymore cameos of Stan in Marvel movies.

I haven't really kept up with every frigging detail of all this, but it sure sounds like Stan is having the ultimate buyers remorse, and is being a dick about it. Let it go man, you signed away your rights many, many years ago.


No, Stan Lee Media Inc. is being a dick about it.  SLMI claims that Stan Lee sold them the characters, when he semi-retired from the comic book industry.  From what I could tell, either Stan Lee backed out of the deal with SLMI, or SLMI broke the terms of the deal with Stan Lee, and Stan Lee took the characters back, and then turned around and sold them to Marvel Comics.

SLMI is claiming that their original deal with Stan Lee was never terminated.  The judge disagreed with SLMI's claim, and ruled for Marvel Comics (which is now owned by Disney).
 
2013-09-07 10:58:04 AM

czetie: FTFA: SLMI claimed that Lee, who no longer has anything to do with the company with his name, signed over the rights to comic book characters...

Stan Lee signed over the rights legitimately to Marvel Comics in 1998 and is perfectly happen with the deal along with his cameos, exec producer credits, etc. But hey, I'm sure that won't stop the Kirby fanboys from blaming Lee for something he has nothing to do with.

What's deal with the Kirby Fanboyism, anyway? Is it a kind of comic geek hipsterism? Now that world+dog knows who Stan Lee is, "cool" comic book fans only like this other guy that mainstream moviegoers probably haven't heard of and who was the "real" genius?

/Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby


filmdope.com

It's just that everyone knows that the Kirby Silver Surfer is the only real Silver Surfer and that the Moebius Silver Surfer was shiat
 
2013-09-07 11:27:54 AM
Stan Lee hasn't been associated with Stan Lee Media for years now.

The ruling was against SLM, not Stan lee himself.
 
2013-09-07 11:28:44 AM

czetie: What's deal with the Kirby Fanboyism, anyway? Is it a kind of comic geek hipsterism?


Yes.
 
2013-09-07 11:42:30 AM
Well DUH! The sh*t that Jack Kirby was put through in his final few years was proof enough of that.

And, in the present, let's talk about the way Marvel left Bill Mantlo to rot away in a nursing home for invalids, while they built another Scrooge McDuck Money Vault to hold all the profits they will make next year when Guardians of the Galaxy comes out.
 
2013-09-07 11:46:09 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Yet another problem with copyright; the copyright holder is often not the creator of the work, and therefore does nothing to promote the creation of original works.

/not that it's possible to create a truly original work anyway


If they provide a stable income to an artist who does create them, who doesn't have to worry whether he'll be eating that week and can focus on his work, then they do a lot.
 
2013-09-07 12:12:50 PM

Spaced Lion: Also, google Funky Flashman for a look at the real Stan Lee.


Pictures, man.

goodcomics.comicbookresources.com goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-09-07 12:16:12 PM

czetie: /Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby


THAT Randroid hermit? Looking at Ditko art reminds me of walking through an old antique store full of musty decrepit stuff from 1962, an era which Ditko apparently has never escaped from.
 
2013-09-07 12:17:06 PM

AtlanticCoast63: Lee definitely did some major-league screwing when it came to the people who actually created the characters, but he's been away from SLMI for a while now and IIRC he got shafted pretty well by them.


So, in other words, Stan Lee scammed the SLMI scammers.
 
2013-09-07 12:36:36 PM
The should have gotten She-Hulk as part of the legal team.

i.annihil.us


/green and hot
 
2013-09-07 01:06:39 PM

czetie: /Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby


Ditko had great stuff, but he eventually let his politics overtake any sense of quality or storytelling in his work worse than Frank Miller.
 
2013-09-07 01:21:09 PM

Bloody William: czetie: /Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby

Ditko had great stuff, but he eventually let his politics overtake any sense of quality or storytelling in his work worse than Frank Miller.


Comic creators have this weird tendency to go off the rails late in life. Just look at Neal Adams and his Expanding Earth theory.
 
2013-09-07 01:24:11 PM

robohobo: Jack 'The King' Kirby.

/that is all
//okay more, greatest man in comics. ever.


Rebuttal: everything he did since 1971.
 
2013-09-07 01:52:33 PM
Why do people, especially comic book geeks, have such a hard time separating the artist from the art? I think Roman Polanski is a terrible human being, but Chinatown is farking great. Ditko was a wingnut, but damnit, he made Spider-man and Dr. Strange. Just lament what happened, but appreciate the art, separate from the awful person that made it.
 
2013-09-07 02:17:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: Bloody William: czetie: /Steve Ditko > Jack Kirby

Ditko had great stuff, but he eventually let his politics overtake any sense of quality or storytelling in his work worse than Frank Miller.

Comic creators have this weird tendency to go off the rails late in life. Just look at Neal Adams and his Expanding Earth theory.


It isn't comic creators. Pretty much every industry has this. Two of the worst offenders were Tom Clancy and Michael Chrichton.
 
2013-09-07 04:11:28 PM
Talk about your all-time backfires.  SLMI went for a bigger piece of the licensing pie and instead the judge not only denied them the pie, he took away their plate altogether.  I don't think they have any other source of income; they'll be out of business come Monday.
 
2013-09-07 04:39:50 PM

Trocadero: Why do people, especially comic book geeks, have such a hard time separating the artist from the art? I think Roman Polanski is a terrible human being, but Chinatown is farking great. Ditko was a wingnut, but damnit, he made Spider-man and Dr. Strange. Just lament what happened, but appreciate the art, separate from the awful person that made it.


In Ditko's case it's doubly ironic since he has made a point throughout his career of refusing to talk about himself or his personal life, and insisting that his art be judged on his own merits. "What I offer is my art, not my personality", he has said on numerous occasions.
 
2013-09-07 05:38:27 PM

ecl: He doesn't have anything to do with them, and they don't actually hold the rights to anything.  Copyright trolling as I understand it.


This.

Stan Lee signed the rights to his characters over to Marvel, and Disney bought Marvel.  Then Stan Lee Media - a company that Stan Lee the man has NOTHING to do with - tried to sue and claim they actually held the rights to the characters.  A judge told them "no, you do not"... then another judge did.  Then another, and another, etc. etc. etc.

So yes, SLMI is a copyright troll, nothing more, and this decision was the judge issuing a formal legal beatdown.  The actual creator of the characters has a continuing working relationship with both Disney and Marvel and is very happy with both.  Thus, this decision is good for Stan Lee, good for Disney, good for Marvel, and good for the fans too.
 
2013-09-07 05:44:49 PM

yukichigai: ecl: He doesn't have anything to do with them, and they don't actually hold the rights to anything.  Copyright trolling as I understand it.

This.

Stan Lee signed the rights to his characters over to Marvel, and Disney bought Marvel.  Then Stan Lee Media - a company that Stan Lee the man has NOTHING to do with - tried to sue and claim they actually held the rights to the characters.  A judge told them "no, you do not"... then another judge did.  Then another, and another, etc. etc. etc.

So yes, SLMI is a copyright troll, nothing more, and this decision was the judge issuing a formal legal beatdown.  The actual creator of the characters has a continuing working relationship with both Disney and Marvel and is very happy with both.  Thus, this decision is good for Stan Lee, good for Disney, good for Marvel, and good for the fans too.


But don't forget Stan Lee is still a jerk because something something Jack Kirby something something and therefore.
 
2013-09-07 10:10:40 PM

TV's Vinnie: Well DUH! The sh*t that Jack Kirby was put through in his final few years was proof enough of that.

And, in the present, let's talk about the way Marvel left Bill Mantlo to rot away in a nursing home for invalids, while they built another Scrooge McDuck Money Vault to hold all the profits they will make next year when Guardians of the Galaxy comes out.


This. This is a goddamned crime in my eyes.
 
2013-09-07 10:48:00 PM
Did any of you actually read the article? It has nothing to do with Stan Lee but a company he use to own.
 
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