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(Pro Football Talk)   Jim Harbaugh is trying as hard as humanly possible to bring back that old Forty Whiners nickname   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 74
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2013-09-07 09:11:46 AM  
Biggest b*tch in sport?
 
2013-09-07 09:13:32 AM  
 
2013-09-07 09:13:58 AM  
The guy has done that quite successfully.  I'm usually pretty okay with teams on the comeback after a long drought, and I may even cheer for them.  Not so with the 49ers, and that's primarily because of their coach's antics, stomping around and flailing around like a farking lunatic.
 
2013-09-07 09:17:46 AM  
Uh, there's nothing whiny at all about the points he raised. They're quite legitimate. I am a fan of neither Harbaugh.
 
2013-09-07 09:19:02 AM  
Been saying this for years
 
2013-09-07 09:19:08 AM  
Funny part is, to me at least, his brother is pretty much the exact opposite. The Schwarzenegger to the Devito, if you will. I respect the hell out of the Baltimore one, even if I detest teams that move. The SF can get his by a septic tank truck and set on fire while falling on a used soup spoon and catching AIDS for all I care.
 
2013-09-07 09:20:45 AM  

kronicfeld: Uh, there's nothing whiny at all about the points he raised. They're quite legitimate. I am a fan of neither Harbaugh.


9/10
 
2013-09-07 09:21:37 AM  
Harbaugh doesn't like the idea that a quarterback who is running the read option can be hit even if he has handed off or pitched the ball.

Is that controversial? Why would it be OK to hit him if he doesn't have the ball (unless he's acting as a blocker)?
 
2013-09-07 09:24:40 AM  
It's such a ridiculous point, and he really looks like a whiner for going to the competition committee about it. It's like saying "Mo-om, they're hitting my QB legally and I don't like it!"
 
2013-09-07 09:37:00 AM  

skrame: Harbaugh doesn't like the idea that a quarterback who is running the read option can be hit even if he has handed off or pitched the ball.

Is that controversial? Why would it be OK to hit him if he doesn't have the ball (unless he's acting as a blocker)?


If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass
 
2013-09-07 09:38:32 AM  
Maybe he should see if they can re-sign Alex Smith
 
2013-09-07 09:47:34 AM  

machoprogrammer: skrame: Harbaugh doesn't like the idea that a quarterback who is running the read option can be hit even if he has handed off or pitched the ball.

Is that controversial? Why would it be OK to hit him if he doesn't have the ball (unless he's acting as a blocker)?

If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass


To be fair the Packers have pretty much said that's their game plan going ahead - to pop Kaepernick on every fake (reading between the lines: even if they know he doesn't have the ball anymore).

Legal - certainly. Something any coach would like stopped to preserve their QB (and really the option system if they run it). Yup. Whiny - but will probably get them a couple of flags during the game that might otherwise have gone uncalled.
 
2013-09-07 10:01:18 AM  
I want cake now.
 
2013-09-07 10:03:04 AM  

machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass


It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.
 
2013-09-07 10:04:51 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: machoprogrammer: skrame: Harbaugh doesn't like the idea that a quarterback who is running the read option can be hit even if he has handed off or pitched the ball.

Is that controversial? Why would it be OK to hit him if he doesn't have the ball (unless he's acting as a blocker)?

If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

To be fair the Packers have pretty much said that's their game plan going ahead - to pop Kaepernick on every fake (reading between the lines: even if they know he doesn't have the ball anymore).

Legal - certainly. Something any coach would like stopped to preserve their QB (and really the option system if they run it). Yup. Whiny - but will probably get them a couple of flags during the game that might otherwise have gone uncalled.


It's not just that. He's also upset that defenses can hit the quarterback when he's in the process of handing it off. That's just stupid.
 
2013-09-07 10:10:59 AM  
Meanwhile kevin williams will miss the first game of the year thanks to a cheap shot by one of his players..
 
2013-09-07 10:11:15 AM  

RsquaredW: machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.


Yep, I agree 100%. But if the QB is faking he has the ball and running and he gets hit (yes this will be word filtered), too farking bad. And I would say that if Rodgers got hit like that and injured, too. If you pretend you have the ball, you can get hit.
 
2013-09-07 10:11:44 AM  
If he gets one flag for his team, his whining will be worth it.

And you know there will be a roughing call made on a QB (maybe even Kapernicus) running the read option this year. So nice whining Jim.
 
2013-09-07 10:12:17 AM  
I look forward to Jonny Manzeil being a Whiner QB next year
 
2013-09-07 10:17:09 AM  
 
2013-09-07 10:22:16 AM  

xaks: Funny part is, to me at least, his brother is pretty much the exact opposite. The Schwarzenegger to the Devito, if you will. I respect the hell out of the Baltimore one, even if I detest teams that move. The SF can get his by a septic tank truck and set on fire while falling on a used soup spoon and catching AIDS for all I care.


I disagree.  They're both pieces of shiat.
 
2013-09-07 10:24:51 AM  

RsquaredW: machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.


That sounds sensible, Harbaugh even mentions this " put your hands up? "

Seems exactly the same principle as the QB slide to me, hit a QB showing his hands and you get 15 yds.
 
2013-09-07 10:26:54 AM  

MFAWG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIq_kYuhI0



I came here to post that.....and I leave satisfied.

/Douchebag Harbaugh style!
 
2013-09-07 10:30:31 AM  
Jim is just an ex-QB whining about this so his franchise QB doesn't get hurt.  IT"S FOOTBALL!  Everyone has to take a hit.

/ Get a backbone dude!
// You wore a Bear uni, for a time.
/// got not'ng
 
2013-09-07 10:32:56 AM  
Ah yes, the San Francisco whine and cheesers.
 
2013-09-07 10:36:32 AM  

machoprogrammer: RsquaredW: machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.

Yep, I agree 100%. But if the QB is faking he has the ball and running and he gets hit (yes this will be word filtered), too farking bad. And I would say that if Rodgers got hit like that and injured, too. If you pretend you have the ball, you can get hit.


Did the filter suddenly get smarter?
Test
He gets hit, she gets hit , who gets hit.
 
2013-09-07 10:44:44 AM  

CodeMonkey4Life: machoprogrammer: RsquaredW: machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.

Yep, I agree 100%. But if the QB is faking he has the ball and running and he gets hit (yes this will be word filtered), too farking bad. And I would say that if Rodgers got hit like that and injured, too. If you pretend you have the ball, you can get hit.

Did the filter suddenly get smarter?
Test
He gets hit, she gets hit , who gets hit.


Whoa. That will take some of the fun out of these threads!
 
2013-09-07 10:45:31 AM  
So most teams will have a designated LB or a safety, whose job will be to plow the quaterback into the hockey season every read option play yes?
 
2013-09-07 10:50:24 AM  
STFU, Jim.  It's too early in the season for this shiat.
 
2013-09-07 10:52:36 AM  

CodeMonkey4Life: machoprogrammer: RsquaredW: machoprogrammer: If the QB hands off the ball then pretends he has the ball (to fool the defense), and he gets hit in doing so, it isn't a penalty. That is what Harbaugh is whining about.

He just knows that Kaepernick is going to get injured because he plays a dangerous style and is trying to cover his own ass

It's a solved problem for RG3 - after he got hit post-handoff a few times, he threw up his hands to show he doesn't have the ball.  You hit a guy after he's done that, it should be a penalty.

Yep, I agree 100%. But if the QB is faking he has the ball and running and he gets hit (yes this will be word filtered), too farking bad. And I would say that if Rodgers got hit like that and injured, too. If you pretend you have the ball, you can get hit.

Did the filter suddenly get smarter?
Test
He gets hit, she gets hit , who gets hit.


The filter must have gotten smarter. It used to be that if the letters s, h, i and t were consecutive, no matter how they were separated, resulted in a filter pwn. This, for instance, would have ended up getshiat. Looks like they fixed that one.
 
2013-09-07 10:57:28 AM  

Satanic panic in the attic: So most teams will have a designated LB or a safety, whose job will be to plow the quaterback into the hockey season every read option play yes?


You sound like a Whiner fan
 
2013-09-07 10:59:52 AM  
Nope not a 49rs fan. Try again you are down to 2 lives now.
 
2013-09-07 11:02:11 AM  
He's right, you know.
 
2013-09-07 11:03:35 AM  

zimbomba63: He's right, you know.


How is it not OK to hit a QB who is purposely faking that he has the ball?
 
2013-09-07 11:13:06 AM  
Basically, if you act like you have the ball, then the defense hits you, then that's not a penalty.  Kaep is a good QB, but he's gonna have to learn real quick to end his performance early.

\he won't get hit by the Pack
\\The Capers Game Plan is to just run right by him
 
2013-09-07 11:17:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: How is it not OK to hit a QB who is purposely faking that he has the ball?


It's ok as long as it's not a Roughing-The-Brady call :-) Fair game with Vick, Kap, and Cam.
 
2013-09-07 11:32:55 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: To be fair the Packers have pretty much said that's their game plan going ahead

006andahalf: STFU, Jim.  It's too early in the season for this shiat.


Give him credit for having stopped pouting about the Super Bowl. I figured that'd take at least a year.
 
2013-09-07 11:48:38 AM  

mikaloyd: kronicfeld: Uh, there's nothing whiny at all about the points he raised. They're quite legitimate. I am a fan of neither Harbaugh.

9/10


Oof, I almost bit that one
 
2013-09-07 12:15:15 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: CodeMonkey4Life: machoprogrammer: RsquaredW: machoprogrammer:

Did the filter suddenly get smarter?
Test
He gets hit, she gets hit , who gets hit.

The filter must have gotten smarter. It used to be that if the letters s, h, i and t were consecutive, no matter how they were separated, resulted in a filter pwn. This, for instance, would have ended up getshiat. Looks like they fixed that one.


Wonder if they fixed the one where a baseball player gets the shiats in a game?
 
2013-09-07 12:16:06 PM  

The Smails Kid: Adolf Oliver Nipples: CodeMonkey4Life: machoprogrammer: RsquaredW: machoprogrammer:

Did the filter suddenly get smarter?
Test
He gets hit, she gets hit , who gets hit.

The filter must have gotten smarter. It used to be that if the letters s, h, i and t were consecutive, no matter how they were separated, resulted in a filter pwn. This, for instance, would have ended up getshiat. Looks like they fixed that one.

Wonder if they fixed the one where a baseball player gets the shiats in a game?


Guess that's funnier than getting between four and six hits.
 
2013-09-07 12:33:17 PM  
I am at a loss as to why ever hitting the QB is wrong.  A defensive player can basically lay out any other player on the offense (setting aside things that are universal illegal hits).  But even being too close to the God-Messiah is grounds for ejection.  He has pads.  He has a helmet.  He walked onto the field.  His ass is a valid target to get lit up.  If he doesn't like it, there is a rhythmic gymnastics class meeting at the YMCA.

/Same for kickers. Don't want that precious leg broken?  Then get the ball off and get the leg down (as opposed to the current model of standing on one leg like a post-modernist ballerina for 20-odd minutes, before flopping around on the ground like someone shot you, even though no one came within 5 yards of you).
 
2013-09-07 12:42:45 PM  

phalamir: I am at a loss as to why ever hitting the QB is wrong.  A defensive player can basically lay out any other player on the offense (setting aside things that are universal illegal hits).  But even being too close to the God-Messiah is grounds for ejection.  He has pads.  He has a helmet.  He walked onto the field.  His ass is a valid target to get lit up.  If he doesn't like it, there is a rhythmic gymnastics class meeting at the YMCA.

/Same for kickers. Don't want that precious leg broken?  Then get the ball off and get the leg down (as opposed to the current model of standing on one leg like a post-modernist ballerina for 20-odd minutes, before flopping around on the ground like someone shot you, even though no one came within 5 yards of you).


Wanna know how we know you've never actually strapped on pads and gotten hit in a live game?
 
2013-09-07 01:24:27 PM  
I'd say it's a legitimate complaint when opposing coaches and people in the media are saying that the best way to stop a particular kind of offense is to hit the QB every single time no matter what, which is basically the same as what so many people were complaining about with the Saints and Favre - guys saying "f*ck it" and hitting him even when they knew he didn't have the ball anymore.

Of course, if you throw it and fake the run, you're still not allowed to plow into you. And for the most part, the guys on the field aren't going to miss whether or not the QB has the ball within a second after the potential handoff occurs.

cameroncrazy1984: How is it not OK to hit a QB who is purposely faking that he has the ball?


There's a limit to how long you can pretend you're being faked.
 
2013-09-07 01:24:37 PM  

kronicfeld: Uh, there's nothing whiny at all about the points he raised. They're quite legitimate. I am a fan of neither Harbaugh.


Harbaugh is quite possibly the biggest twat in all of sports right now- however, if the QB doesn't have the farking ball, he doesn't have the farking ball. How long until a QB is lost for the season on a blind side hit because some DB thinks he has the ball when the play is already 20 yards down the field?
 
2013-09-07 01:27:12 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: kronicfeld: Uh, there's nothing whiny at all about the points he raised. They're quite legitimate. I am a fan of neither Harbaugh.

Harbaugh is quite possibly the biggest twat in all of sports right now- however, if the QB doesn't have the farking ball, he doesn't have the farking ball. How long until a QB is lost for the season on a blind side hit because some DB thinks he has the ball when the play is already 20 yards down the field?


You forgot quotes around the "thinks," since basically the goal of the defenses, as stated, is to hit the QB even when they know he doesn't have the ball.
 
2013-09-07 01:36:22 PM  
just want to point out that harbaugh biatch fest started over this:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000237687/article/clay-matthews- g reen-bay-packers-plan-to-hit-the-qb

doesn't sound malicious to me.  More like they know how to stop a weaker runner.  speed is armor, until it isn't.
 
2013-09-07 01:38:27 PM  

IAmRight: You forgot quotes around the "thinks," since basically the goal of the defenses, as stated, is to hit the QB even when they know he doesn't have the ball.


That's how you defend the option.  They teach that in high school football.  Everyone has an assignment (dive back, QB, or pitch man) and, if it looks like it might be an option, you go hit that man, regardless of where the ball is-even if it's obvious he doesn't have the ball.  The offense spends the whole game waiting to catch you letting your assignment go, and that's when the option goes for a 40 yard touchdown.
 
2013-09-07 01:44:05 PM  

oldsbone: That's how you defend the option.  They teach that in high school football.  Everyone has an assignment (dive back, QB, or pitch man) and, if it looks like it might be an option, you go hit that man, regardless of where the ball is-even if it's obvious he doesn't have the ball.  The offense spends the whole game waiting to catch you letting your assignment go, and that's when the option goes for a 40 yard touchdown.


Ah, so that ONE play requires you to hit people that you know don't have the ball, all because he might have the ball...even though you know he doesn't. And while on every other play that would make you a douchebag, on this play it's okay.
 
2013-09-07 01:48:37 PM  

IAmRight: oldsbone: That's how you defend the option.  They teach that in high school football.  Everyone has an assignment (dive back, QB, or pitch man) and, if it looks like it might be an option, you go hit that man, regardless of where the ball is-even if it's obvious he doesn't have the ball.  The offense spends the whole game waiting to catch you letting your assignment go, and that's when the option goes for a 40 yard touchdown.

Ah, so that ONE play requires you to hit people that you know don't have the ball, all because he might have the ball...even though you know he doesn't. And while on every other play that would make you a douchebag, on this play it's okay.


I don't think it's about physically punishing them - it's that if you ditch your man to hit the ballcarrier, you've left your man open and they can lateral it back to him - except that he's now got a lot of open field to work with.
 
2013-09-07 01:54:33 PM  

YoungLochinvar: I don't think it's about physically punishing them - it's that if you ditch your man to hit the ballcarrier, you've left your man open and they can lateral it back to him - except that he's now got a lot of open field to work with.


See, the thing is that there's a large difference between "ditch your man" and "hit the QB even when you know he doesn't have the ball."

Basically, defensive coordinators and commentators have been saying "what you have to do is hit the QB every single time on the read-option, whether he has the ball or not," and that's asinine. Harbaugh is right in that if you're in the pocket, a QB should be protected whether he hands the ball off traditionally or otherwise.

/more to the point, I don't need talentless teams deciding that the NFL's okay with them teeing off on my QBs because hey, the more you can damage him, the worse he'll be
 
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