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2013-09-07 01:02:04 AM
www.synthmind.com

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.
 
2013-09-07 01:17:22 AM

Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.


I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?
 
2013-09-07 01:24:25 AM
As I mentioned in the TFD thread on this topic, music's worst format was reel-to-reel tapes.
 
2013-09-07 01:35:12 AM
Woo hoo! The other submission tried to pretend cassettes WERE the worst format.

KA-CHUNK... 8 tracks win by a mile.
 
2013-09-07 01:35:57 AM

Lorelle: As I mentioned in the TFD thread on this topic, music's worst format was reel-to-reel tapes.


And as I corrected you, reel to reel had longer play time and better quality over 8-tracks.

You lose... AGAIN ;-)
 
2013-09-07 01:36:41 AM

Ghastly: I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so


1997 for me. Good times, good memories.
 
2013-09-07 01:38:46 AM

Ghastly: I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s.


Never Say Never, Frontier F*cking Wives, Colour Scream, Forbidden. Hell, and entire generation in the late 80's , early 90's in the Bay Area.
 
2013-09-07 02:06:30 AM

Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?


Those things recorded to four tracks on the cassette. Side one was tracks one and two. Side two was tracks three and four, recorded in the same direction as side one. Just the tape. No memory.

Don't laugh -- the Beatles did Abbey Road on a four track recorder (but not cassette...)
 
2013-09-07 02:13:37 AM

Candygram4Mongo: Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?

Those things recorded to four tracks on the cassette. Side one was tracks one and two. Side two was tracks three and four, recorded in the same direction as side one. Just the tape. No memory.

Don't laugh -- the Beatles did Abbey Road on a four track recorder (but not cassette...)


So I guess you played two tracks at a time to an external recorder for the finished product?  How did they get the timing to line up?
 
2013-09-07 02:30:29 AM
 
2013-09-07 03:04:10 AM

Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?


Every cassette tape has 4 tracks. Two stereo tracks on side A and two stereo tracks on side B. A standard cassette deck has a two track head on it and you access the other two tracks by flipping the tape. The Tascam Porta Studios could record and play back four tracks by using a four track head and only recording in one direction. If you flipped the tape over the tracks you recorded would play backwards.
 
2013-09-07 03:55:22 AM

Ghastly: Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?

Every cassette tape has 4 tracks. Two stereo tracks on side A and two stereo tracks on side B. A standard cassette deck has a two track head on it and you access the other two tracks by flipping the tape. The Tascam Porta Studios could record and play back four tracks by using a four track head and only recording in one direction. If you flipped the tape over the tracks you recorded would play backwards.


Assuming you used it to mix the music, how did it get the four tracks you mixed onto the two tracks for a standard stereo cassette?  I think that's what I'm missing.  I understand the concept of four tracks, but how did you get it onto a regular cassette you could play in a boombox?
 
2013-09-07 03:59:16 AM

Lsherm: Ghastly: Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?

Every cassette tape has 4 tracks. Two stereo tracks on side A and two stereo tracks on side B. A standard cassette deck has a two track head on it and you access the other two tracks by flipping the tape. The Tascam Porta Studios could record and play back four tracks by using a four track head and only recording in one direction. If you flipped the tape over the tracks you recorded would play backwards.

Assuming you used it to mix the music, how did it get the four tracks you mixed onto the two tracks for a standard stereo cassette?  I think that's what I'm missing.  I understand the concept of four tracks, but how did you get it onto a regular cassette you could play in a boombox?


You'd run the stereo bus from the portastudio to your mixdown machine (either a high quality cassette deck, CD burner, computer, or DAT back in the day).
 
2013-09-07 04:29:37 AM
Many people believe that the last commercial 8-track released by a major label was Fleetwood Mac's "Greatest Hits" in November 1988.
 
2013-09-07 04:31:56 AM
HIPSTERS HOW CAN WE ERADICATE THEM GODDAMMIT
 
2013-09-07 04:42:17 AM

wookiee cookie: HIPSTERS HOW CAN WE ERADICATE THEM GODDAMMIT


1-media-cdn.foolz.us

I know one way...
 
2013-09-07 04:42:44 AM

Ghastly: Lsherm: Ghastly: Lsherm: Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I was always curious how those worked.  It was a four track recorder, wasn't it?  Where did it store the tracks before you put them on tape?  Was there internal memory or something else that held the tracks while you mixed them but before you recorded the final product?

Every cassette tape has 4 tracks. Two stereo tracks on side A and two stereo tracks on side B. A standard cassette deck has a two track head on it and you access the other two tracks by flipping the tape. The Tascam Porta Studios could record and play back four tracks by using a four track head and only recording in one direction. If you flipped the tape over the tracks you recorded would play backwards.

Assuming you used it to mix the music, how did it get the four tracks you mixed onto the two tracks for a standard stereo cassette?  I think that's what I'm missing.  I understand the concept of four tracks, but how did you get it onto a regular cassette you could play in a boombox?

You'd run the stereo bus from the portastudio to your mixdown machine (either a high quality cassette deck, CD burner, computer, or DAT back in the day).


Got it.  Sorry, I even read about the machine on Wikipedia and all I could think about was "how the fark do you get four tracks down to two and keep everything in time?"  Sounds like the portastudio stereo bus did that for you.
 
2013-09-07 04:59:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: wookiee cookie: HIPSTERS HOW CAN WE ERADICATE THEM GODDAMMIT



I know one way...


i don't get your obscure reference HIPSTER
 
2013-09-07 05:06:52 AM
Nothing like being right there at the penultimate moment of KISS' I Was Made For Lovin' You and CLICK...K CHUNK... CLICK. It's never the same after that. It's like your dog walking in on sex.
 
2013-09-07 05:13:52 AM
Ghastly:

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.

I just found a Porta-2 at a yard sale for ten bucks. I recorded many an opus on my original back in the 80's
 
2013-09-07 05:15:40 AM
Music's worst format?

images.onset.freedom.com2.bp.blogspot.com
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I prefer the term "delivery system."
 
2013-09-07 05:16:48 AM

Apik0r0s: Nothing like being right there at the penultimate moment of KISS' I Was Made For Lovin' You and CLICK...K CHUNK... CLICK. It's never the same after that. It's like your dog walking in on sex.


You lack vision.
 
2013-09-07 05:19:04 AM
If you are old enough, you'll get it
randomoverload.net
 
2013-09-07 05:19:45 AM
The 808 kick drum makes the girlies get dumb
 
2013-09-07 05:23:08 AM
Wait, they're trying to bring back MIDI?
 
2013-09-07 05:26:12 AM

ybishop: If you are old enough, you'll get it
[randomoverload.net image 450x406]


Haaahahahhahahahahahahahaha!
 
2013-09-07 05:28:47 AM
Cassetteboy, however, lives on.

/And even though lordsiralan looks like a pickled testicle, he's still less annoying and douchetastic than farkface von Clownstick
 
2013-09-07 05:36:20 AM
Man, now I really feel bad for burning down "Bobs Cassette Emporium".  He always said that tapes would come back.  I just figured on him being a loony.  I mean, he did vote for Hillary in the 2008 primaries, so...
 
2013-09-07 05:48:14 AM

thamike: Apik0r0s: Nothing like being right there at the penultimate moment of KISS' I Was Made For Lovin' You and CLICK...K CHUNK... CLICK. It's never the same after that. It's like your dog walking in on sex.

You lack vision.


Once, when my then-girlfriend-now-wife was riding me, her dog walked in and just started to lick my balls with gusto. At first, I pretended it was another chick, but then became concerned that it might be a prelude to biting and had to put a stop to it.

/CSB
 
2013-09-07 05:48:38 AM

Iczer: Wait, they're trying to bring back MIDI?


What?

MIDI never went away, it's still the primary communication protocol for studio gear.
 
2013-09-07 05:51:35 AM

ybishop: If you are old enough, you'll get it
[randomoverload.net image 450x406]


Well, we've found George Takei's official Fark handle.
 
2013-09-07 05:59:39 AM

Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.


Thanks for the picture - great memories.  I had one too and it was a technical marvel for the day - brought home recording down to an affordable level.  This was way before the days that anyone's crappy old PC could record high-quality audio.
 
2013-09-07 06:20:21 AM

iron de havilland: Cassetteboy, however, lives on.

/And even though lordsiralan looks like a pickled testicle, he's still less annoying and douchetastic than farkface von Clownstick


You rang?
 
2013-09-07 06:33:10 AM

FarkfaceVonClownstick: iron de havilland: Cassetteboy, however, lives on.

/And even though lordsiralan looks like a pickled testicle, he's still less annoying and douchetastic than farkface von Clownstick

You rang?


Nice.
 
2013-09-07 06:34:26 AM

wookiee cookie: Gyrfalcon: wookiee cookie: HIPSTERS HOW CAN WE ERADICATE THEM GODDAMMIT

I know one way...

i don't get your obscure reference HIPSTER


Would it help if the actual person who said the line was pictured?
 
2013-09-07 06:49:19 AM
Hah, my 2000 and my 2003 trucks has both CD and Cassette players, but my house don't.  Works either way, no one in my house wants to listen to my cassettes.
 
2013-09-07 06:50:28 AM
Long article, boring subject. Can't wait to hear about his experiences with Beta-max.
 
2013-09-07 07:03:44 AM
Tapes are awesome. You can pry my Nakamichi Dragon from my cold, dead, hands.
 
2013-09-07 07:09:05 AM
Good!  I love it.

I've already sold the hipsters my record players from the 80's and early 90's.  I can now get rid of my Pioneer and Sony dual decks and walkmans.
 
2013-09-07 07:14:56 AM
i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-07 07:26:00 AM

Ghastly: [www.synthmind.com image 850x645]

I bought this in the 80s and did not stop using it until the transport finally gave up the ghost around 2001 or so. Replaced it with a Tascam 788 hard disk recorder. Still kinda miss the ol' Porta One though. I produced so many indie albums on that thing for a number of punk and folk acts in the 80s and 90s. I also did soundtracks for a number of educational films and other multi media projects. Such an elegant interface.


Holy crap another Porta One fan! :D    I laid the groundwork for two proper CDs with mine (not to mention hours of "for fun" music, too)

Mine conked out at long last ... and I have boxes of cassettes I can't throw out because I can't play the full masters to save them digitally. Someday I'll find one cheap and save all my music  >_<
 
2013-09-07 07:35:30 AM

ybishop: If you are old enough, you'll get it
[randomoverload.net image 450x406]


LOL.

Oh, wait.

Goddamnit, thanks for reminding me I'm old.
 
2013-09-07 07:36:13 AM

aagrajag: thamike: Apik0r0s: Nothing like being right there at the penultimate moment of KISS' I Was Made For Lovin' You and CLICK...K CHUNK... CLICK. It's never the same after that. It's like your dog walking in on sex.

You lack vision.

Once, when my then-girlfriend-now-wife was riding me, her dog walked in and just started to lick my balls with gusto. At first, I pretended it was another chick, but then became concerned that it might be a prelude to biting and had to put a stop to it.

/CSB


TMI man...
 
2013-09-07 07:43:03 AM
Vinyl, unlike cassettes, is an audiophile format so there will always be that niche market for vinyl.  Cassettes would only appeal to trend-hopping hipsters who won't even play them, which is pretty obvious per the article.
 
2013-09-07 07:51:26 AM
I still have a massive collection of tapes because I'm a cheap bastard and didn't want to buy a bunch of CD for twice as much as I paid for the cassette.

Much to the chagrin of the RIAA I've used my laptop and Audacity to convert some of my favs to mp3 to listen on my ipod. I've been able to clean the quality up on some of the ones that were starting to degrade, which is nice.
 
2013-09-07 07:53:10 AM
Just wait until the hipsters hear about wire recorders or cylinder records.
 
2013-09-07 07:59:24 AM
I have a cassette player in my car.

/factory standard
//21st century American model
 
2013-09-07 08:02:27 AM

Spaghettiows: Vinyl, unlike cassettes, is an audiophile format so there will always be that niche market for vinyl.  Cassettes would only appeal to trend-hopping hipsters who won't even play them, which is pretty obvious per the article.


Yeah, and if the hipsters don't actually play them, why bother recording music on them? Might as well just slap some labels on a bunch of blank cassettes and call it a day.
 
2013-09-07 08:02:51 AM
Gorram analog snobs.
 
2013-09-07 08:06:14 AM

BikerRay: Just wait until the hipsters hear about wire recorders or cylinder records.




www.pregchan.com
 
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