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(Guardian)   I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that Pat Robertson would lie about helping Rwandans to pad his church's coffers   (theguardian.com) divider line 124
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2013-09-06 01:14:47 PM
Interesting if true.

A religious organization is an excellent place to launder money made illicitly. All cash, less scrutiny from the feds is very attractive.
 
2013-09-06 01:25:51 PM
But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.
 
2013-09-06 01:26:04 PM
Pat Robertson is easily one of the worst people on the planet and proof god either doesn't exist, or is the devil himself.
 
2013-09-06 01:28:28 PM
I can understand why he didn't want to touch rwanda; it's covered in jam...
 
2013-09-06 01:28:32 PM

styckx: Pat Robertson is easily one of the worst people on the planet and proof god either doesn't exist, or is the devil himself.


thats not the worst of it
he's so good at what he does that other of his type cannot compete and
have to become politicians
 
2013-09-06 01:29:07 PM

bindlestiff2600: styckx: Pat Robertson is easily one of the worst people on the planet and proof god either doesn't exist, or is the devil himself.

thats not the worst of it
he's so good at what he does that other of his type cannot compete and
have to become politicians


*snert*
 
2013-09-06 01:31:49 PM

styckx: Pat Robertson is easily one of the worst people on the planet and proof god either doesn't exist, or is the devil himself.


this, that, those...
 
2013-09-06 01:33:28 PM
freakoutnation.com
 
2013-09-06 01:33:47 PM

styckx: Pat Robertson is easily one of the worst people on the planet and proof god either doesn't exist, or is the devil himself.


Or he's following gods other than the Christian ones.
 
2013-09-06 01:33:48 PM
www.rawspace.com.au
 
2013-09-06 01:34:32 PM
Look, it doesn't matter. He could be caught red handed banging an underage girl on the alter smoking a crack pipe and the masses would promptly accept a crocodile tearful apology and would soon be cutting checks to him and his organizations. The faithful WANT to believe, and no amount of evidence that their leaders are phonies, liars and thieves will change their minds.

My mother watches Jimmy Swaggart, excuse the pun, religiously. "Oh, I just like it for the music." she lies to me. Meanwhile, she buys dvds of his sermons and gets his magazine. No matter that he was caught cheating on his wife multiple times with a whore, no matter that he is everything wrong with religion, she STILL listens to his farking puke, and I HATE HATE HATE it. Of course, being the good son I am, I accept it and shut my mouth about it, but I'll be damned if when I visit I'll look at his farking mug on the TV.

And don't get me started on "Charities" in general. Almost all of them are frauds. But they do sell something: belief that you did something to help, all without leaving your living room or breaking a sweat.


Jesus Wept.
 
2013-09-06 01:36:30 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


Well, when an atheist uses his own program to grift money from unsuspecting followers to help "fund Rwanda", we can be just as outraged.

/"Discussing Rwanda", however, has taken a whole new meaning thanks to last night's Mock the Week...
 
2013-09-06 01:37:31 PM
"But some of the most damaging criticism of Robertson comes from former aid workers at Operation Blessing, who describe how mercy flights to save refugees were diverted hundreds of miles from the crisis to deliver equipment to a diamond mining concession run by the televangelist."

Obviously those refugees, like the farking Haitians, made a pact with the devil and so deserved their neglect.
 
2013-09-06 01:37:50 PM
The documentary describes how dredges, used to suck up diamonds from river beds, were delivered hundreds of miles from the crisis in Goma to a private commercial firm, African Development Company, registered in Bermuda and wholly owned by Robertson. ADC held a mining concession near the town of Kamonia on the far side of the country.

It was never about helping folks dying of cholera. That was just an excuse to set up an air lift to do the things they REALLY wanted to do.
 
2013-09-06 01:37:59 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


Really?  Which prominent atheist is soliciting funds for a charity and diverting them into diamond mining?
 
2013-09-06 01:39:52 PM
This is the guy who was best friends with murderous Liberian president Charles Taylor, who gave him gold and diamond mines and some slave labour to work it.

Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.
 
2013-09-06 01:40:55 PM
Subby must not get out much because I am NOT shocked at all.
 
2013-09-06 01:41:18 PM
How anyone with a semi-working brain can still support this multiple felon is beyond me. Christ people are stupid.

/insert a comma there wherever you wish
 
2013-09-06 01:43:21 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


If this is a joke, you're going to have to explain it to us.
 
2013-09-06 01:43:37 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


Please name a scam charity run by atheists that is tolerated by anti-fraud people.

But the important thing is that both sides are bad, right?
 
2013-09-06 01:43:57 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This is the guy who was best friends with murderous Liberian president Charles Taylor, who gave him gold and diamond mines and some slave labour to work it.

Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.


Why do you stay locked into the Christian paradigm? There are more gods than just the Christian ones. Robertson is acting in line with gods older than Christianity. Mammon and moloch come to mind but Robertson could just be following any one of a number of trickster gods as well.
 
2013-09-06 01:45:18 PM
Was there ever a bigger victim of name-dropping than Jesus?
What happens on Pat Robertson's show alone must make him cry tears of blood.
 
2013-09-06 01:45:45 PM
God is patient.
  and
God gets even.

//Soon.
 
2013-09-06 01:47:05 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


Yeah, sure.  The entire country is filled with lying and thieving religious types and you're worried about athiests.  You, sir, are a Pat Robertson ball-sucking clown.
 
2013-09-06 01:48:56 PM
From what I've heard and seen, most 'christians' had better hope they're wrong about a kind and merciful god ruling the afterlife.
 
2013-09-06 01:48:58 PM
I support 0 charities and encourage others to do the same. Most charities are just ways for people to get stuff for free that they don't need. Make a Wish is my pet peeve.

A former coworker's daughter has a mild case of diabetes and he was able to bilk MaW out of a trip the Caribbean, Disney, and an NFL game 10 years ago. I asked him if he feels bad because his daughter is not the type of sick one would expect the MaW people to support. He said that his daughter will die from the disease. I asked him when. He answered that she would probably die in her 60's or 70's. Until charities stop giving out things to anyone and everyone who asks for it, I give to nothing since no charity has given to me.
 
2013-09-06 01:51:03 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.


Actually, this crap fits perfectly with the way that the Bible describes humanity.  That book's chock full of religious leaders who are evil self-serving hypocrites, and God repeatedly telling them "You're doing it wrong. Knock it off".  Speaking as a Christian who pays attention, I am saddened but utterly unsurprised when one of us turns out to be corrupt.
 
2013-09-06 01:53:08 PM
It's almost as shocking as realizing that Hannity's Freedom Concerts don't really give much actual aid to veterans or their families.

Yes, he's a boil on the tochis of humanity.
 
2013-09-06 01:54:54 PM

Markus5: God is patient.
  and
God gets even.

//Soon.


So, what you're saying is, you can run on for a long time, but sooner or later God's gonna cut you down?
 
2013-09-06 01:55:05 PM

FarkinHostile: And don't get me started on "Charities" in general. Almost all of them are frauds. But they do sell something: belief that you did something to help, all without leaving your living room or breaking a sweat.


i don't agree with this.

i worked with charities back in the day, and i can attest that they generally did more good than doing nothing.  while there was overhead, while money was wasted on stupid runs and parties and t-shirts, while a lot of money went to continue the machine of the charity, it still raised money for the goal.

now, it would be nice if people, sua sponte, donated or volunteered for stuff.  but that is rare, so rare it's negligible.  so, you waste money on marketing shiat and people, in order to attract donations.

say, maybe less than 50% of the money raised goes to the charity.  if the charity raises $1 million, $400-500K goes to the cause. seems inefficient, until you  consider the alternative: no money is wasted on marketing the charity and the result, no money is raised.

here's something else about a charity, they don't give a fark why you donate money. big money comes from companies, you know they are donating for free advertising so what.  do you think the charities to help suffering fishermen after the BP spill denied money donated by BP?  They just sat there and said to themselves, assholes trying to clear their name, but I'm still cashing the check, because my charter is to financially help fisherman, not make a political statement.

most people are donating just to be a part of the run and feel like they did something without actually doing anything.

who the fark cares, you raise the money, you don't care why you got it.

some charities are worse than others, but very few do more harm than good.  charities are very pragmatic.  this idealism of pure charity usually exists in the naive who are only interested in the purity of their method, with indifference to the result, or those who are justifying their lack of charity.
 
2013-09-06 01:57:13 PM

PaulRB: Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.

Yeah, sure.  The entire country is filled with lying and thieving religious types and you're worried about athiests.  You, sir, are a Pat Robertson ball-sucking clown.


Mmmmm, edgy.

Nice try, but I'm not religious.
 
2013-09-06 01:59:13 PM

ciberido: Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.

Really?  Which prominent atheist is soliciting funds for a charity and diverting them into diamond mining?


The last story I remember reading about atheists said that some were pissed because the IRS wanted to call atheism a religion and not tax them. They were fighting the IRS, trying to give them their money. That's standing up for your principles, something Robertson and his ilk apparently have none of.
 
2013-09-06 01:59:34 PM

Rueened: PaulRB: Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.

Yeah, sure.  The entire country is filled with lying and thieving religious types and you're worried about athiests.  You, sir, are a Pat Robertson ball-sucking clown.

Mmmmm, edgy.

Nice try, but I'm not religious.


But apparently a very effective troll.
 
2013-09-06 02:01:09 PM
I wonder what God needs all those diamonds for?

That is why Pat is mining them right... for God?
 
2013-09-06 02:05:20 PM
Here are you winnings subby.
 
2013-09-06 02:06:24 PM
oh, wait I think I found it... (praise be to Roger Waters)


[TV Evangelist:]"Do you believe in a better day?
Do you have faith in a golden way?
If you do, then we must come together this day
Come together as one, united television audience
Brought together by the sound of my voice
United, united financially, united socially,
United spiritually, and all possible ways
Through the power of money
And the power of prayers...."

What God wants God gets God help us all
 
2013-09-06 02:09:01 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This is the guy who was best friends with murderous Liberian president Charles Taylor, who gave him gold and diamond mines and some slave labour to work it.

Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.


this is the strangest argument to me.

It only proves that god does not intervene with our affairs on the basis that we would like (assuming we all agree pat robertson should be smited).  you've got causation and false dichotomy problems.  come on man, it's for the religious to make those kinds of leaps.

/ i'm religious
 
2013-09-06 02:09:22 PM
I'm not shocked he's scummy, but I am taken aback by just how scummy he is.

That's way worse than the usual cheating or tax dodging. That's full on evil.
 
2013-09-06 02:10:58 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-06 02:11:30 PM
pute kisses like a man:
i don't agree with this.

i worked with charities back in the day, and i can attest that they generally did more good than doing nothing.  while there was overhead, while money was wasted on stupid runs and parties and t-shirts, while a lot of money went to continue the machine of the charity, it still raised money for the goal.

now, it would be nice if people, sua sponte, donated or volunteered for stuff.  but that is rare, so rare it's negligible.  so, you waste money on marketing shiat and people, in order to attract donations.

say, maybe less than 50% of the money raised goes to the charity.  if the charity raises $1 million, $400-500K goes to the cause. seems inefficient, until you  consider the alternative: no money is wasted on marketing the charity and the result, no money is raised.

here's something else about a charity, they don't give a fark why you donate money. big money comes from companies, you know they are donating for free advertising so what.  do you think the charities to help suffering fishermen after the BP spill denied money donated by BP?  They just sat there and said to themselves, assholes trying to clear their name, but I'm still cashing the check, because my charter is to financially help fisherman, not make a political statement.

most people are donating just to be a part of the run and feel like they did something without actually doing anything.

who the fark cares, you raise the money, you don't care why you got it.

some charities are worse than others, but very few do more harm than good.  charities are very pragmatic.  this idealism of pure charity usually exists in the naive who are only interested in the purity of their method, with indifference to the result, or those who are justifying their lack of char ...


Well, I didn't say they did harm, they are just scams for the most part. Big Charities are little more than ways for the executives and and administration to justify 6+ figure salaries, expense accounts, travel budgets, and other perks. "Overhead" is a big percentage of their budgets. Yes, I know, a few do some good, but for the most part large organized charities are scams.

How do these number sound?

1. Kids Wish Network (2.5%)
2. Cancer Fund of America (0.9%)
3. Children's Wish Foundation International (10.8%)
4. American Breast Cancer Foundation (5.3%)
5. Firefighters Charitable Foundation (8.4%)
6. Breast Cancer Relief Foundation (2.2%)
7. International Union of Police Associations (0.5%)
8. National Veterans Service Fund (7.8%)
9. American Association of State Troopers (8.6%)
10. Children's Cancer Fund of America (5.3%)


That is the percentage of every dollar that goes to the actual cause. 50%? Very optimistic, friend.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/us/worst-charities

http://investmentwatchblog.com/many-of-the-largest-charities-in-amer ic a-are-giant-money-making-scams/


I'm sure there are good organizations out there. I don't have the....faith....to believe in them anymore.

Charity begins at home. Everyone knows someone who is need. Help THEM, not some suits so they can get a new BMW.
 
2013-09-06 02:12:00 PM

Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.


10/10 Well done!
 
2013-09-06 02:12:27 PM

Rueened: PaulRB: Rueened: But it's OK when atheists do it, apparently.

Yeah, sure.  The entire country is filled with lying and thieving religious types and you're worried about athiests.  You, sir, are a Pat Robertson ball-sucking clown.

Mmmmm, edgy.

Nice try, but I'm not religious.


So, why, when this story is about Pat Robertson, do you give a crap about atheists doing something like this?  I saw no one saying it was OK if someone did this regardless of religion.  Religion gives these con-men somewhere to pitch their scams.  Personally, I think Pat Robertson believes in Jesus no more than you or I do.  It's just a super easy con.  You're selling something that costs you nothing (belief in a fairy story) and people throw money your way if you're good at it.  That's Pat Robertson.  So, no, not OK if atheists are con artists either... even Pat Robertson atheists.
 
2013-09-06 02:14:43 PM

FarkinHostile: Look, it doesn't matter. He could be caught red handed banging an underage girl on the alter smoking a crack pipe and the masses would promptly accept a crocodile tearful apology and would soon be cutting checks to him and his organizations. The faithful WANT to believe, and no amount of evidence that their leaders are phonies, liars and thieves will change their minds.

My mother watches Jimmy Swaggart, excuse the pun, religiously. "Oh, I just like it for the music." she lies to me. Meanwhile, she buys dvds of his sermons and gets his magazine. No matter that he was caught cheating on his wife multiple times with a whore, no matter that he is everything wrong with religion, she STILL listens to his farking puke, and I HATE HATE HATE it. Of course, being the good son I am, I accept it and shut my mouth about it, but I'll be damned if when I visit I'll look at his farking mug on the TV.

And don't get me started on "Charities" in general. Almost all of them are frauds. But they do sell something: belief that you did something to help, all without leaving your living room or breaking a sweat.


Jesus Wept.


I submit that a woman having sex for money is more honest and less of a whore than Swaggart.
 
2013-09-06 02:15:01 PM
IMHO, God could care less.  He set off the Big Bang and is simply sitting back to see how His latest iteration of Universe Creation will turn out.
 
2013-09-06 02:18:45 PM

Son of Thunder: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.

Actually, this crap fits perfectly with the way that the Bible describes humanity.  That book's chock full of religious leaders who are evil self-serving hypocrites, and God repeatedly telling them "You're doing it wrong. Knock it off".  Speaking as a Christian who pays attention, I am saddened but utterly unsurprised when one of us turns out to be corrupt.


Again, let me know when you see Pat Robertson struck by a bolt of lighting from the heavens, or his house cursed for seven generations, or his ballsack afflicted by boils and locusts.

A truer proof for the existence of a just and kind God there has never been. Well, except for that whole Holocaust thing. And the Catholic child abuse thing. And maybe the Thirty Years' War.
 
2013-09-06 02:19:52 PM
FTFA: former aid workers at Operation Blessing, who describe how mercy flights to save refugees were diverted hundreds of miles from the crisis to deliver equipment to a diamond mining concession run by the televangelist.

"As for you be ruthless and increase your shady businesses in number" -- Genesis 9:7 (Robertson Edition)
 
2013-09-06 02:21:44 PM

pute kisses like a man: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This is the guy who was best friends with murderous Liberian president Charles Taylor, who gave him gold and diamond mines and some slave labour to work it.

Proof of God's utter nonexistence is that he hasn't yet struck Robertson down with a bolt of lightning during his broadcast. I mean seriously, if you're supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, but yet you can't or won't control who gets to speak in your name, you obviously don't exist.

I guess the only alternative is that God is evil.

this is the strangest argument to me.

It only proves that god does not intervene with our affairs on the basis that we would like (assuming we all agree pat robertson should be smited).  you've got causation and false dichotomy problems.  come on man, it's for the religious to make those kinds of leaps.

/ i'm religious


Smitten or smote.

And I'm just going by what the Bible explicitly describes as acts of Gawd, and by my own understanding of justice and goodness found through contemplation and prayer or whatever the heck it is the religious types says helps you understand Gawd.
 
2013-09-06 02:30:26 PM
Are there any reverends, ministers, pastors or priests in the world that don't moonlight as Bond villains?
 
2013-09-06 02:32:32 PM

Demonrats: I support 0 charities and encourage others to do the same. Most charities are just ways for people to get stuff for free that they don't need. Make a Wish is my pet peeve.

A former coworker's daughter has a mild case of diabetes and he was able to bilk MaW out of a trip the Caribbean, Disney, and an NFL game 10 years ago. I asked him if he feels bad because his daughter is not the type of sick one would expect the MaW people to support. He said that his daughter will die from the disease. I asked him when. He answered that she would probably die in her 60's or 70's. Until charities stop giving out things to anyone and everyone who asks for it, I give to nothing since no charity has given to me.


Donate locally. Every community has some sort of service organization to serve those residents in need - senior center or homeless shelter or special recreation programs for those with disabilities or battered women's shelter etc.
 
2013-09-06 02:34:43 PM
He wont suffer any consequences, pat's got the politicians in his pocket book.

robertson tells people their donations are going to save lives but instead are funding the blood diamond trade in africa.

 Theres only a few times that i wish there was actually a hell so people like him will get whats coming to them.
 
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