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2013-09-06 01:23:18 PM
How is the ol' battle axe hockey stick, anyway?
 
2013-09-06 01:24:24 PM
The Cadillac Welfare Queen is a concept derived in a Upper-class Hollywood Alzheimer's daze that has survived to this day because it makes people feel better about being self-absorbed amoral shiateheads.
 
2013-09-06 01:24:35 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: How is the ol' battle axe hockey stick, anyway?


She's been poutine on some weight.
 
2013-09-06 01:25:32 PM
Is her name Alberta and does she live in Vancouver ?
 
2013-09-06 01:26:04 PM
Welfare cheats are always blah people that live in the city.. Everybody knows that.
 
2013-09-06 01:27:08 PM
These investigations just never really pan out for the GOP. It's like when they look for election fraud and the only people they find doing it are republicans.
 
2013-09-06 01:28:03 PM

Atillathepun: UrukHaiGuyz: How is the ol' battle axe hockey stick, anyway?

She's been poutine on some weight.


Better curd that before it gets out of control.
 
2013-09-06 01:28:19 PM

Atillathepun: UrukHaiGuyz: How is the ol' battle axe hockey stick, anyway?

She's been poutine on some weight.


Plus she's gone a little loonie since hockey season ended.
 
2013-09-06 01:29:42 PM
Excess payments through the Federal Crop Insurance Corporation averaged excesses of $209,000 per payout.

Sounds like farmers corporate farmers are the ones driving up to the welfare office in Cadillac's.
 
2013-09-06 01:34:02 PM
Holy gigantic fonts.


photos.imageevent.com
 
2013-09-06 01:35:14 PM

WTF Indeed: Atillathepun: UrukHaiGuyz: How is the ol' battle axe hockey stick, anyway?

She's been poutine on some weight.

Plus she's gone a little loonie since hockey season ended.


luckily she's back bacon in the kitchen where she belongs.
 
2013-09-06 01:35:50 PM
Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.
 
2013-09-06 01:36:59 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.


It must be exhausting being you.
 
2013-09-06 01:41:37 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.


You're right. There's only one man virtuous enough to investigate this, thedarkest chapter in the history of the republic. A man who can successfully navigate the treacherous political waters he is sure to encounter in a dispassionate, non-partisan manner. A man unafraid to leave no stone unturned, no cigar unsmelled.

A man named Kenneth Winston Starr.
 
2013-09-06 01:42:27 PM
b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

0.tqn.com
 
2013-09-06 01:43:42 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.

You're right. There's only one man virtuous enough to investigate this, thedarkest chapter in the history of the republic. A man who can successfully navigate the treacherous political waters he is sure to encounter in a dispassionate, non-partisan manner. A man unafraid to leave no stone unturned, no cigar unsmelled.

A man named Kenneth Winston Starr.


*snert*
 
2013-09-06 01:44:29 PM
So's the concept of widespread voter fraud, you think this'll stop ANYone? They bring the madness of a persecution complex, inflated sense of entitlement and ignorance and you counter them with FACTS?!
 
2013-09-06 01:44:40 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.


OIG inspectors and auditors are elected now? Last I heard they were civil servants that work careers that span multiple administrations.
 
2013-09-06 01:46:57 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.

You're right. There's only one man virtuous enough to investigate this, thedarkest chapter in the history of the republic. A man who can successfully navigate the treacherous political waters he is sure to encounter in a dispassionate, non-partisan manner. A man unafraid to leave no stone unturned, no cigar unsmelled.

A man named Kenneth Winston Starr.


What's he up to since losing to a bunch of high school kids?
 
2013-09-06 01:49:01 PM

MFAWG: Uranus Is Huge!: Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.

You're right. There's only one man virtuous enough to investigate this, thedarkest chapter in the history of the republic. A man who can successfully navigate the treacherous political waters he is sure to encounter in a dispassionate, non-partisan manner. A man unafraid to leave no stone unturned, no cigar unsmelled.

A man named Kenneth Winston Starr.

What's he up to since losing to a bunch of high school kids?


President of Baylor.
 
2013-09-06 01:57:37 PM

buzzcut73: Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.

OIG inspectors and auditors are elected now? Last I heard they were civil servants that work careers that span multiple administrations.


It's the same as the internal affairs investigators who aren't elected.  They last from Chief to Chief.  They do a wonderful job as well.
 
2013-09-06 02:04:53 PM
Overpayments do not equal welfare fraud or abuse, nor does this  address the issue "Should current welfare stipends and eligibility be redefined?

It simpley means the book keeping is in agreement.
 
2013-09-06 02:12:10 PM
Food stamp.. overpayments?

That's new to me.
 
2013-09-06 02:13:24 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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So, food stamps covered the bottle deposit on the mountain dew? ok
 
2013-09-06 02:14:17 PM

ongbok: Excess payments through the Federal Crop Insurance Corporation averaged excesses of $209,000 per payout.

Sounds like farmers corporate farmers are the ones driving up to the welfare office in Cadillac's.


Well duh. If they swear it's a farm truck, they can deduct the purchase price from their taxes. And it's not just Cadillacs, either - Porsches, BMWs, or any other big truck/SUV that weighs in at more than 6,000 pounds all fit nicely in that loophole, if you title them in the farm corporation's name.
 
2013-09-06 02:23:52 PM

brap: The Cadillac Welfare Queen is a concept derived in a Upper-class Hollywood Alzheimer's daze that has survived to this day because it makes people feel better about being self-absorbed amoral shiateheads.


as Lee atwater admitted on his deathbed, the "CADILLAC driving welfare queen" was a way for Ronald Reagan to shout the n-bomb at southern whites in a way they would instantly understand but still allow him plausible deniability with the media
 
2013-09-06 02:24:40 PM

Danger Mouse: Overpayments do not equal welfare fraud or abuse, nor does this  address the issue "Should current welfare stipends and eligibility be redefined?

It simpley means the book keeping is in agreement.


Well I guess those goal posts have to move somewhere.
 
2013-09-06 02:24:57 PM

Biff_Steel: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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So, food stamps covered the bottle deposit on the mountain dew? ok


You are aware of that entire story, correct?

How it was inflated out of proportion to what actually happened?

I was making a funny.  Or attempting to at least, addressing the outrage that food assistance should only be used to buy whatever food is deemed acceptable and necessary to those outraged that anyone is even on a food assistance program.

Which of course is hogwash.
 
2013-09-06 02:26:18 PM

MFAWG: Welfare cheats are always blah people that live in the city.. Everybody knows that.


I hear they have refrigerators to keep all that free food in. How farked up is that?
 
2013-09-06 02:28:23 PM

Biff_Steel: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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So, food stamps covered the bottle deposit on the mountain dew? ok


according to Snopes the recipet is Genuine, BUT the man responsible for this transaction is in jail.   Seems he stole his GF's EBT card meant for her and her children, and bought the steak and Lobster and then attempted to re-sell them for cash in the parking lot.   He was apprehended because the check-out clerk twigged that his transaction wasn;t legit and she called the cops who found he attempting to hawk the meat in the parking lot and found him in possesion of the stolen card
 
2013-09-06 02:31:00 PM

Magorn: Biff_Steel: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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So, food stamps covered the bottle deposit on the mountain dew? ok

according to Snopes the recipet is Genuine, BUT the man responsible for this transaction is in jail.   Seems he stole his GF's EBT card meant for her and her children, and bought the steak and Lobster and then attempted to re-sell them for cash in the parking lot.   He was apprehended because the check-out clerk twigged that his transaction wasn;t legit and she called the cops who found he attempting to hawk the meat in the parking lot and found him in possesion of the stolen card


Besides, who the fark cares if EBT is used on lobster and steak.

How much EBT money do you get a month?  If someone wants to blow most of it on steak and lobster once and then have to scramble to find food, sucks to be them.  I'm not saying they should be allowed to, because that's dumb.  But I don't get the outrage.
 
2013-09-06 02:33:46 PM

Dafatone: How much EBT money do you get a month?


2012 average was $133.41/month
 
2013-09-06 02:37:41 PM

brap: The Cadillac Welfare Queen is a concept derived in a Upper-class Hollywood Alzheimer's daze that has survived to this day because it makes people feel better about being self-absorbed amoral shiateheads.


Who, more often then not, suck on some Gubmint teet or another and often times  either aren't aware of it or simply refuse to admit that what they do is the same kind of dependency as foodstamps for poor folks. GOP Midwestern farmers come to mind, or those Teabaggers who don't want anything to change about healthcare because they don't need insurance, guz if'n they get sick, Big Medicine will treat them whether they can afford it(which case they'll just squelch on the outrageous bill) or not, in which case they'll just be bumped over to Medcaid without really understanding that that is what's happened.
 
2013-09-06 02:38:35 PM

monoski: MFAWG: Welfare cheats are always blah people that live in the city.. Everybody knows that.

I hear they have refrigerators to keep all that free food in. How farked up is that?


I also heard that some of them actually WORK but still can't make ends meet...fark 'em they're poor. Pull up those boot straps on some cheap cowboy boots from Goodwill!
 
2013-09-06 02:39:55 PM
Evidence is no match for the story my friends cousin told me once!
 
2013-09-06 02:42:28 PM

Dafatone: Besides, who the fark cares if EBT is used on lobster and steak.

How much EBT money do you get a month?  If someone wants to blow most of it on steak and lobster once and then have to scramble to find food, sucks to be them.  I'm not saying they should be allowed to, because that's dumb.  But I don't get the outrage


Because some people are afraid that someone, somewhere might be eating well for once in their miserable existence.
 
2013-09-06 02:50:09 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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The outraged butthurt over that must be epic.
 
2013-09-06 02:51:50 PM

lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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The outraged butthurt over that must be epic.


I put the link to the Snopes further down.  But I do remember the thread(s) here.  They were epic.  I used many new colors and farkies that day.
 
2013-09-06 02:53:43 PM

odinsposse: Evidence is no match for the story my friends cousin told me once!


I was told it's nothing compared to unemployment overpayments.

/stuffs straw back into shrit
 
2013-09-06 02:55:14 PM

robbiex0r: odinsposse: Evidence is no match for the story my friends cousin told me once!

I was told it's nothing compared to unemployment overpayments.

/stuffs straw back into shrit


You should see those teacher paycheck over payments. They'll blow your mind!
 
2013-09-06 03:00:09 PM
Let's keep spending money looking for food stamp fraud.
 
2013-09-06 03:03:29 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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The outraged butthurt over that must be epic.

I put the link to the Snopes further down.  But I do remember the thread(s) here.  They were epic.  I used many new colors and farkies that day.


Ahh, fraud. It happens, but it isn't as rampant as is imagined in peoples feverish fantasies. I would totally give a donation to anyone who did that for themselves to help out with the rest of the month to partially make up for the loss, given they post pics of them shopping, the receipt and the family eating said meal.
 
2013-09-06 03:04:06 PM

Graffito: Let's keep spending money looking for food stamp fraud.


Needs more drug tests.
 
2013-09-06 03:08:51 PM
Princess Alberta or Regina? Regina is a dirty, dirty girl. I was there last week, dirty as ever.
 
2013-09-06 03:10:40 PM

brap: The Cadillac Welfare Queen is a concept derived in a Upper-class Hollywood Alzheimer's daze that has survived to this day because it makes people feel better about being self-absorbed amoral shiateheads.



You are ignorant. I personally know a few welfare queens. Handouts and assistance are outrageously excessive.

Again, I have personal experience with individuals with way more food stamps and assistance than they need. It's farking ridiculous.

I have personally seen multiple woman ask friends and family if they need groceries because they have way more food stamps than they could use.

One in particular also attended school for 7-years dropping out after receiving financial aid and only getting a degree when she hit the "limit" of how many times she could drop out and go back. She received thousands in grants. She always took out maximum student loans and racked up about $80,000 in debt. On account of her low income she is now getting most of that forgiven. She is also on housing. She had her BF move in and for almost 10 years hasn't bothered to work because she was living off of school loans free housing and food. She recently graduated and has started working, She has made several comments that she may just quit and go back on housing so she doesn't have to work so much. She has had 1 child but recently had another.

It's been interesting in this time my wife and I have worked and put ourselves through school. together we make just enough not to get any assistance. She has about $60,000 in student loans and called about forgiveness under the Federal Governments new program. We were a little over the limit. But of course she scorned well you know who won't be paying hers -- referring to her friend. My wife has traditionally been very liberally minded. She actually has a social worker license. She believes the system is abused far more than used properly. Specifically because of her friend.

We have busted our asses and have about the same disposable income as her welfare queen friend. Pretty sad. But this is part of the scheme. Get as may people as possible on the government dole and buy their votes. to propagate an all powerful central government.
 
2013-09-06 03:11:52 PM

lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

[0.tqn.com image 350x768]

The outraged butthurt over that must be epic.

I put the link to the Snopes further down.  But I do remember the thread(s) here.  They were epic.  I used many new colors and farkies that day.

Ahh, fraud. It happens, but it isn't as rampant as is imagined in peoples feverish fantasies. I would totally give a donation to anyone who did that for themselves to help out with the rest of the month to partially make up for the loss, given they post pics of them shopping, the receipt and the family eating said meal.


I don't have the link to the article anymore, and I'm too lazy to go google-fu it right now, but back when this was originally brought to light a few months ago (when of course it happened in 2011....) but actual fraud of this type is something less than 0.03% of all food assistance recipients.  I can live with that, honestly I can.  That's more than likely far less $$ than tax fraud/medicare fraud/wage fraud etc.

And I also think the even the poors can have a great meal once in a while. To be honest, if this wasn't fraud, and just for a family, I probably would have my 5 seconds of WTF?, then shrug it off. Who am I to say what food they get to eat?  It's not like they get several hundred dollars a month or anything.
 
2013-09-06 03:18:51 PM
AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data
 
2013-09-06 03:19:05 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: lockers: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

[0.tqn.com image 350x768]

The outraged butthurt over that must be epic.

I put the link to the Snopes further down.  But I do remember the thread(s) here.  They were epic.  I used many new colors and farkies that day.

Ahh, fraud. It happens, but it isn't as rampant as is imagined in peoples feverish fantasies. I would totally give a donation to anyone who did that for themselves to help out with the rest of the month to partially make up for the loss, given they post pics of them shopping, the receipt and the family eating said meal.

I don't have the link to the article anymore, and I'm too lazy to go google-fu it right now, but back when this was originally brought to light a few months ago (when of course it happened in 2011....) but actual fraud of this type is something less than 0.03% of all food assistance recipients.  I can live with that, honestly I can.  That's more than likely far less $$ than tax fraud/medicare fraud/wage fraud etc.

And I also think the even the poors can have a great meal once in a while. To be honest, if this wasn't fraud, and just for a family, I probably would have my 5 seconds of WTF?, then shrug it off. Who am I to say what food they get to eat?  It's not like they get several hundred dollars a month or anything.


I hear ya. They can't buy beer or cigarettes, so there is all the protection abuse I need to see. I have no business telling people what to eat, but apparently butthurt conservatives see no contradiction with that and Michelle Obama suggesting people eat healthier.
 
2013-09-06 03:24:16 PM

lockers:  [truncated]   apparently butthurt conservatives see no contradiction with that and Michelle Obama suggesting people eat healthier.


I completely agree that's pretty much the entire story.  Fark the poor, and fark that black biatch for trying to tell us what to do!

Republican outreach.
 
2013-09-06 03:32:59 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data



He learned about her from his best friend's sister's boyfriend who knows this guy who talked to this kid who saw her abuse the system at 31 Flavors. So it must be pretty serious.
 
2013-09-06 03:34:36 PM

Katolu: monoski: MFAWG: Welfare cheats are always blah people that live in the city.. Everybody knows that.

I hear they have refrigerators to keep all that free food in. How farked up is that?

I also heard that some of them actually WORK but still can't make ends meet...fark 'em they're poor. Pull up those boot straps on some cheap cowboy boots from Goodwill!


Then I find out they have cell phones too. This is getting to be too much.
 
2013-09-06 03:37:30 PM
So basically the culprits are major campaign donors to the GOP.  As I expected.
 
2013-09-06 03:41:27 PM

AndEhBus: We have busted our asses and have about the same disposable income ...


I ate government cheese and went to foodbanks and worked to get myself through college so don't play the bootstrappy card with me missy.  I am also very thankful that that sort of thing exists and will gladly support anything that helps people live with dignity through down times in their lives.

I'll get off my soapbox now, I'm getting tedious and their are fart jokes to be made in TFD>
 
2013-09-06 03:44:07 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Let's be real now. How good could an $8.99 lobster be?
 
2013-09-06 03:44:33 PM

give me doughnuts: Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data


He learned about her from his best friend's sister's boyfriend who knows this guy who talked to this kid who saw her abuse the system at 31 Flavors. So it must be pretty serious.


Oh yeah? Well I heard about abuse of the system from my mom about one of her friend's daughters who prefers to be on welfare so she doesn't have to work and can smoke pot all day.

And my mom wouldn't lie about such a thing!

/Mothers never lie to their kids
//And mom's are always right; I heard it on an advertisement about how a mom discovered this one neat trick.
 
2013-09-06 03:45:12 PM

Girl Sailor: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Let's be real now. How good could an $8.99 lobster be?


Lobster really isn't that expensive at the grocery store
 
2013-09-06 03:47:06 PM

Girl Sailor: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Let's be real now. How good could an $8.99 lobster be?


There is that.  I'd have gotten all porterhouses with my welfare monnies.

actually, I'd have gotten all hotel steaks.  mmmmmmmm  steaks....  *drool*

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-06 04:06:08 PM
You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.
 
2013-09-06 04:07:13 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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LOBSTER AND CAVIAR!  That's what Rich people eat!
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com
 
2013-09-06 04:11:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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LOBSTER AND CAVIAR!  That's what Rich people eat!
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YEAH!  And not that cheap-ass $8.99 lobster!!  ONLY the $50 ones!!!
 
2013-09-06 04:13:34 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Why do people keep posting Michelle Obama's receipts?
 
2013-09-06 04:16:38 PM

nocturnal001: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Why do people keep posting Michelle Obama's receipts?


This one?
 
2013-09-06 04:16:57 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data


I smelled bullshiat from the start, but AndEhBus really tipped his/her hand with the phrases "student loans" and "forgiven" that close together. Without a "never" in between.

Who the fark has ever had their student loans forgiven?!
 
2013-09-06 04:17:26 PM

Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!
 
2013-09-06 04:18:28 PM

AndEhBus: brap: The Cadillac Welfare Queen is a concept derived in a Upper-class Hollywood Alzheimer's daze that has survived to this day because it makes people feel better about being self-absorbed amoral shiateheads.


You are ignorant. I personally know a few welfare queens. Handouts and assistance are outrageously excessive.

Again, I have personal experience with individuals with way more food stamps and assistance than they need. It's farking ridiculous.

I have personally seen multiple woman ask friends and family if they need groceries because they have way more food stamps than they could use.

One in particular also attended school for 7-years dropping out after receiving financial aid and only getting a degree when she hit the "limit" of how many times she could drop out and go back. She received thousands in grants. She always took out maximum student loans and racked up about $80,000 in debt. On account of her low income she is now getting most of that forgiven. She is also on housing. She had her BF move in and for almost 10 years hasn't bothered to work because she was living off of school loans free housing and food. She recently graduated and has started working, She has made several comments that she may just quit and go back on housing so she doesn't have to work so much. She has had 1 child but recently had another.

It's been interesting in this time my wife and I have worked and put ourselves through school. together we make just enough not to get any assistance. She has about $60,000 in student loans and called about forgiveness under the Federal Governments new program. We were a little over the limit. But of course she scorned well you know who won't be paying hers -- referring to her friend. My wife has traditionally been very liberally minded. She actually has a social worker license. She believes the system is abused far more than used properly. Specifically because of her friend.

We have busted our asses and have about the same disposable income ...


The banks made a fortune on gambling and got bailed out, where is your outrage there?  The amount of money the banks received could fund food stamps for eleventy billion years.
 
2013-09-06 04:19:47 PM

BlastYoBoots: Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data

I smelled bullshiat from the start, but AndEhBus really tipped his/her hand with the phrases "student loans" and "forgiven" that close together. Without a "never" in between.

Who the fark has ever had their student loans forgiven?!


tru dat.  I too knew it was BS from the start, but it was sealed for me at "I have personally seen multiple woman ask.... "

Sure he has.  Then the "woman" all load up their cadillac SUV, put on their gold grilles, and go have their hair done.
 
2013-09-06 04:27:34 PM

stoli n coke: Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!


one of the few presidents who's name can't be befarted
 
2013-09-06 04:27:50 PM

BlastYoBoots: Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data

I smelled bullshiat from the start, but AndEhBus really tipped his/her hand with the phrases "student loans" and "forgiven" that close together. Without a "never" in between.

Who the fark has ever had their student loans forgiven?!


Well, *technically* one can get their student loans forgiven, but it involves stuff like, say, agreeing to work in a public school (especially if you have a degree in physics or chemistry or another science) for X years.

I think there are other "Work for government, get student loans forgiven" deals, but it *requires you to work*.
 
2013-09-06 04:36:09 PM
 . . . and even if they were real, they still wouldn't warrant the constant outrage from Republicans that, strangely, is never directed at the military or Social Security.
 
2013-09-06 04:38:56 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: BlastYoBoots: Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data

I smelled bullshiat from the start, but AndEhBus really tipped his/her hand with the phrases "student loans" and "forgiven" that close together. Without a "never" in between.

Who the fark has ever had their student loans forgiven?!

tru dat.  I too knew it was BS from the start, but it was sealed for me at "I have personally seen multiple woman ask.... "

Sure he has.  Then the "woman" all load up their cadillac SUV, put on their gold grilles, and go have their hair done.



I got the same impression as well. Now I've got him grayed out as "lying douche". I'm disappointed in my fellow INTP.
 
2013-09-06 04:41:10 PM
nocturnal001: The banks made a fortune on gambling and got bailed out, where is your outrage there?  The amount of money the banks received could fund food stamps for eleventy billion years.

I try to keep my outrage on-topic.

AND WHAT'S THE STORY WITH AIRLINE FOOD?
 
2013-09-06 04:41:50 PM

The Name: . . . and even if they were real, they still wouldn't warrant the constant outrage from Republicans that, strangely, is never directed at the military or Social Security.


I dunno how to tell you this, but have you ever talked to a Republican about Social Security? I've heard Republicans call it a Ponzi scheme on numerous occasions.
 
2013-09-06 04:54:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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LOBSTER AND CAVIAR!  That's what Rich people eat!
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I always love how both signature are exactly the same.  Can't be bothered to signed her name twice?  Lazy...just lazy.
 
2013-09-06 05:05:41 PM

Girl Sailor: Satan's Bunny Slippers: b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but LOBSTER!!!   AND STEAK!!!!  DAM DIMMICRAT WELFARE QUEENS!!!!

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Let's be real now. How good could an $8.99 lobster be?


Feshwater lobster, isn't that crawfish?
 
2013-09-06 05:14:24 PM

Jackson Herring: stoli n coke: Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!

one of the few presidents who's name can't be befarted


Ronald Wilfart Reagan!!!
 
2013-09-06 05:20:10 PM

theknuckler_33: Jackson Herring: stoli n coke: Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!

one of the few presidents who's name can't be befarted

Ronald Wilfart Reagan!!!


Well done.
 
2013-09-06 05:31:07 PM
Conservatives would rather a thousand starve than one person cheat the system.

Let's throw a little reality in:

Conservatives just KNOW all welfare recipients are on drugs. So they implement mandatory drug testing (of course by this logic everyone who gets a payment from the government should be drug tested, but it's just the poors who it actually happens to). And the actual percentage? 2.6. Savings to the traxpayers of Florida? Well, actually, it cost more money than it saved.

http://www.givedirectly.org/  just gives money to poor people. Doesn't make them take classes, doesn't make them buy a cow, just gives them money.

No one they have interviewed has spent the money on drugs and booze. Every single one of them did something productive with it, like replace their straw roofs, or bought tools, or whatever.

The fact is, people (that's actual people, not corporation people) who are getting charity almost always deserve it, and spend it as wisely as they can.
 
2013-09-06 05:33:41 PM
Overpayments are defined as payouts that rise at least 50 percent higher than the correct amount while totaling at least $5,000 per individual or $25,000 per organization, according to the analysis.

Well, when you define it that way....were there any??  And are they in prison?
 
2013-09-06 05:36:34 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Conservatives would rather a thousand starve than one person cheat the system.

Let's throw a little reality in:

Conservatives just KNOW all welfare recipients are on drugs. So they implement mandatory drug testing (of course by this logic everyone who gets a payment from the government should be drug tested, but it's just the poors who it actually happens to). And the actual percentage? 2.6. Savings to the traxpayers of Florida? Well, actually, it cost more money than it saved.

http://www.givedirectly.org/  just gives money to poor people. Doesn't make them take classes, doesn't make them buy a cow, just gives them money.

No one they have interviewed has spent the money on drugs and booze. Every single one of them did something productive with it, like replace their straw roofs, or bought tools, or whatever.

The fact is, people (that's actual people, not corporation people) who are getting charity almost always deserve it, and spend it as wisely as they can.


I don't think the drug testing is really about making sure that welfare recipients stay off drugs. The GOP seems much more interested in making welfare as degrading as possible.

It's also why so many conservatives want charity to somehow pick up the slack for the social safety net. They want miserable people to beg for table scraps even when it's cheaper to give them a full meal.
 
2013-09-06 05:44:51 PM

Riothamus: I don't think the drug testing is really about making sure that welfare recipients stay off drugs. The GOP seems much more interested in making welfare as degrading as possible.

It's also why so many conservatives want charity to somehow pick up the slack for the social safety net. They want miserable people to beg for table scraps even when it's cheaper to give them a full meal.


Watching poor people suffer grinding poverty is their greatest aphrodisiac.  I bet the erections they get can cut diamonds.
 
2013-09-06 05:46:45 PM
I'm as liberal as they come, and as a good liberal, I'm strongly in support of social welfare programs (with caveats about effectiveness, equity, whatnot...). But I'm also someone who appreciates a well-designed analysis, and this isn't.

FTA: "Overpayments are defined as payouts that rise at least 50 percent higher than the correct amount while totaling at least $5,000 per individual or $25,000 per organization, according to the analysis."

There are two problems with this comparison: one, it ignores the base rate (i.e. there are far more individuals than there are organizations); and two, it sets a different bar for overpayment for the two entities. As a thought experiment, imagine that you have 10 million people receiving food stamps, and each was overpaid by $100, far below the $5000 bar per individual; meanwhile, 100 organizations were overpaid by $50,000. As far as this analysis is concerned, no individuals were overpaid, though the actual overpayment cost to individuals was $1,000,000,000, while the overpayments to organizations was only $5,000,000, half a percent of the aggregate individual overpayment.

Intentional or not, it's incredibly misleading.
 
2013-09-06 05:57:34 PM

Jackson Herring: stoli n coke: Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!

one of the few presidents who's name can't be befarted


George Washingfart
Thomas Jeffartson
Abrahfart Lincoln
Herfart Hoover
Franklin Delano Roosefart
George W Fart
Millard Fartmore
Rutherfart B Hayes
Grofart Cleveland
William Howfart Taft
Gerald Fart
Jimmy Farter

Truth
 
2013-09-06 07:13:42 PM
I always see people ramble about welfare queens, I've never met one before. My former job I was helping poor people who just encountered a major loss in their life (fire, earthquake, death, etc.) for a non-profit. Never met one in over two years going out multiple times a week.

I have no idea where people find all these "friends". People I know on food stamps who have maybe $150 to their name after rent and utilities are paid get less then $80 a month from the state and sometimes live in a section 8 housing project which is not free just reduced.

If you could just "ride the system" why do we have homeless people again?
 
2013-09-06 08:41:18 PM

xander450: I'm as liberal as they come, and as a good liberal, I'm strongly in support of social welfare programs (with caveats about effectiveness, equity, whatnot...). But I'm also someone who appreciates a well-designed analysis, and this isn't.

FTA: "Overpayments are defined as payouts that rise at least 50 percent higher than the correct amount while totaling at least $5,000 per individual or $25,000 per organization, according to the analysis."

There are two problems with this comparison: one, it ignores the base rate (i.e. there are far more individuals than there are organizations); and two, it sets a different bar for overpayment for the two entities. As a thought experiment, imagine that you have 10 million people receiving food stamps, and each was overpaid by $100, far below the $5000 bar per individual; meanwhile, 100 organizations were overpaid by $50,000. As far as this analysis is concerned, no individuals were overpaid, though the actual overpayment cost to individuals was $1,000,000,000, while the overpayments to organizations was only $5,000,000, half a percent of the aggregate individual overpayment.

Intentional or not, it's incredibly misleading.


It's intentional.  It was a directive through the executive branch to find that particular deviation which is geared towards farmers/corporations that receive farm aid.  That was the intent (ignore individual fraud which is small but in the thousands or more, and find variants that aren't even necessarily illegal - like crop insurance payouts that rise due to drought).  So don't look for charges to be filed against anyone soon.

Fraud isn't going to be individual, it's going to be organized so the "person you know" isn't going to be the ones that are being fraudulent.  But we've all heard the person buying lobster with food stamps and it's because they purchased it for pennies on the dollar most likely to fuel drugs and alcohol and other items that can't be purchased.  Ever notice how when you come across ticket scalpers, they always have more than one?  Like that only with food stamps.
 
2013-09-06 09:33:10 PM

Smeggy Smurf: buzzcut73: Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, have the government investigate the government for government over payments to the people that vote for the current government.  No conflict of interest there.

OIG inspectors and auditors are elected now? Last I heard they were civil servants that work careers that span multiple administrations.

It's the same as the internal affairs investigators who aren't elected.  They last from Chief to Chief.  They do a wonderful job as well.


As a civil servant who investigates food stamp fraud I can confirm that, yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-09-06 09:42:50 PM

tbeatty: But we've all heard the person buying lobster with food stamps and it's because they purchased it for pennies on the dollar most likely to fuel drugs and alcohol and other items that can't be purchased.


They also drive a Cadillac and have eight kids.  Reagan told me so it must be true.
 
2013-09-06 11:13:13 PM

Fart_Machine: tbeatty: But we've all heard the person buying lobster with food stamps and it's because they purchased it for pennies on the dollar most likely to fuel drugs and alcohol and other items that can't be purchased.

They also drive a Cadillac and have eight kids.  Reagan told me so it must be true.


You don't think people sell food for drugs or alcohol?  What part of Pleasentville do you live in?
 
2013-09-07 12:25:02 AM

AndEhBus: On account of her low income she is now getting most of that forgiven.


Know how I know you're full of shiat?
 
2013-09-07 12:28:17 AM
Really gotta pay attention to those page breaks.
 
2013-09-07 01:28:26 AM

tbeatty: Fart_Machine: tbeatty: But we've all heard the person buying lobster with food stamps and it's because they purchased it for pennies on the dollar most likely to fuel drugs and alcohol and other items that can't be purchased.

They also drive a Cadillac and have eight kids.  Reagan told me so it must be true.

You don't think people sell food for drugs or alcohol?  What part of Pleasentville do you live in?


I understand the underground lobster trade is huge.
 
2013-09-07 02:58:42 AM
My sister in law is what I think some would refer to as a welfare queen, she knows how to get the most out of what's available and takes advantage of every program she can.
She lives in a shiatty apt, in a shiatty neighborhood, with no car, but she has free cheese in an actual refrigerator so I guess we should all be jealous of her fabulous life style.
 
2013-09-07 12:08:08 PM

BlastYoBoots: Satan's Bunny Slippers: AndEhBus: whine about welfare queen

Just a reminder

anecdote =/= data

I smelled bullshiat from the start, but AndEhBus really tipped his/her hand with the phrases "student loans" and "forgiven" that close together. Without a "never" in between.

Who the fark has ever had their student loans forgiven?!


I did.  I quit my job to when I got pregnant with my new BF.   I went back "on housing" and I'm living the sweet life.  Thanks dummycrats!  (Oh and thanks for the Obamaphone which I use to chat with my old BF who is in prison.)
 
2013-09-07 12:09:46 PM

erikike: My sister in law is what I think some would refer to as a welfare queen, she knows how to get the most out of what's available and takes advantage of every program she can.
She lives in a shiatty apt, in a shiatty neighborhood, with no car, but she has free cheese in an actual refrigerator so I guess we should all be jealous of her fabulous life style.


I've had government cheese. I'd rather eat velveeta.
 
2013-09-07 12:14:03 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Jackson Herring: stoli n coke: Jackson Herring: You mean Ronald Reagan was a lying piece of human garbage? Huh.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! REAGAN WAS THE GREATEST REAGAN TO EVER REAGAN A REAGAN!

one of the few presidents who's name can't be befarted

George Washingfart
Thomas Jeffartson
Abrahfart Lincoln
Herfart Hoover
Franklin Delano Roosefart
George W Fart
Millard Fartmore
Rutherfart B Hayes
Grofart Cleveland
William Howfart Taft
Gerald Fart
Jimmy Farter

Truth


Ronald Wilfart Reagan

There.  (I can't believe I'm making fark jokes.  I'm female for crissakes.  See what this website has done to me!)
 
2013-09-07 12:15:29 PM

Selena Luna: erikike: My sister in law is what I think some would refer to as a welfare queen, she knows how to get the most out of what's available and takes advantage of every program she can.
She lives in a shiatty apt, in a shiatty neighborhood, with no car, but she has free cheese in an actual refrigerator so I guess we should all be jealous of her fabulous life style.

I've had government cheese. I'd rather eat velveeta.


I had a big block of government cheese.  It was cheddar, and I thought it was surprisingly good.
 
2013-09-07 12:17:24 PM

erikike: My sister in law is what I think some would refer to as a welfare queen, she knows how to get the most out of what's available and takes advantage of every program she can.
She lives in a shiatty apt, in a shiatty neighborhood, with no car, but she has free cheese in an actual refrigerator so I guess we should all be jealous of her fabulous life style.


The best part about welfare:  Your SIL is not living with you.
 
2013-09-07 12:21:13 PM

Graffito: Selena Luna: erikike: My sister in law is what I think some would refer to as a welfare queen, she knows how to get the most out of what's available and takes advantage of every program she can.
She lives in a shiatty apt, in a shiatty neighborhood, with no car, but she has free cheese in an actual refrigerator so I guess we should all be jealous of her fabulous life style.

I've had government cheese. I'd rather eat velveeta.

I had a big block of government cheese.  It was cheddar, and I thought it was surprisingly good.


Maybe if varies from place to place? The stuff I had was admittedly when I was a kid, but it wasn't cheddar.
 
2013-09-07 07:12:01 PM

Fart_Machine: tbeatty: Fart_Machine: tbeatty: But we've all heard the person buying lobster with food stamps and it's because they purchased it for pennies on the dollar most likely to fuel drugs and alcohol and other items that can't be purchased.

They also drive a Cadillac and have eight kids.  Reagan told me so it must be true.

You don't think people sell food for drugs or alcohol?  What part of Pleasentville do you live in?

I understand the underground lobster trade is huge.


No, but trading "food dollars" for "drug dollars" is.  It's practically a victimless crime.
 
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