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2013-09-06 11:57:12 AM  
> "This was all Ryan's thing...It was all his initiative. He didn't want publicity about it."

Well now that sounds kind of like bullshiat.

> News of Braun's apology calls emerged on the same day that SURG Restaurant Group announced it was ending its business relationship with Braun for the 8-Twelve restaurants and Ryan Braun's Graffito. The end of those relationships follows Braun losing personal endorsements...

Ah.
 
2013-09-06 12:10:02 PM  
Will they be allowed to ask him questions or will he make a brief and vague statement then hang up?
 
2013-09-06 12:11:49 PM  
rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-09-06 12:12:34 PM  
Khris Davis hasn't looked bad over in left field. Young kid, fast, hits decently, doesn't bring a sh*t ton of baggage to the table.
 
2013-09-06 12:13:06 PM  
Too late for Braun.  He doubled-down on the innocence thing, and it came back to haunt him.  Now we'll just have to wonder if he ever played clean, and if he even can.
 
2013-09-06 12:29:39 PM  
Plus, I think Lucroy should get every chance to move to 1st base. His bat is good, and timely- which is what the team lacks. Him, Gannet, and Segura have me hoping we could be a 3rd baseman away from a solid infield. I would be ok with Braun being let go.
 
2013-09-06 12:30:06 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: > "This was all Ryan's thing...It was all his initiative. He didn't want publicity about it."

Well now that sounds kind of like bullshiat.

> News of Braun's apology calls emerged on the same day that SURG Restaurant Group announced it was ending its business relationship with Braun for the 8-Twelve restaurants and Ryan Braun's Graffito. The end of those relationships follows Braun losing personal endorsements...

Ah.

I'm starting to get more and more skeptical with each passing day that Aaron Rogers will welch on his bet that Braun was clean...
 
2013-09-06 12:36:41 PM  

Ponzholio: I'm starting to get more and more skeptical with each passing day that Aaron Rogers will welch on his bet that Braun was clean...


I think he'll send the guy game tickets or something as a gesture of good will and acknowledgement he was wrong.
 
2013-09-06 12:39:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Khris Davis hasn't looked bad over in left field. Young kid, fast, hits decently, doesn't bring a sh*t ton of baggage to the table.


Nadie_AZ: Plus, I think Lucroy should get every chance to move to 1st base. His bat is good, and timely- which is what the team lacks. Him, Gannet, and Segura have me hoping we could be a 3rd baseman away from a solid infield. I would be ok with Braun being let go.


You kinda had me a little until the bolded part.  No way I am ok with him walking out of the Brewers clubhouse into another while the Brewers cover his entire salary minus league minimum.  I would rather have Khris Davis move to first and Braun come back and be productive.

Ponzholio: I'm starting to get more and more skeptical with each passing day that Aaron Rogers will welch on his bet that Braun was clean...


I cannot believe he would follow through, but it would be really cool if he did.
 
2013-09-06 12:43:57 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Will they be allowed to ask him questions or will he make a brief and vague statement then hang up?


I wish I were a season ticket holder...  I would be waiting by the phone.  It's probably a prerecorded apology from his damage control people.  They could have someone else call and I wouldn't even know.
 
2013-09-06 12:46:36 PM  
fark him.
 
2013-09-06 12:57:34 PM  

roc6783: You kinda had me a little until the bolded part.  No way I am ok with him walking out of the Brewers clubhouse into another while the Brewers cover his entire salary minus league minimum.  I would rather have Khris Davis move to first and Braun come back and be productive.


Yeah, leaving the Brewers stuck with his contract would suck. Think the Brewers, media and Braun would be able to quickly move past this so he can keep his head down and be an average fielder/hitter?
 
2013-09-06 12:58:33 PM  
yeah but how long before he starts to blame the operator for mishandling his call and trying to ruin their career just to protect the fact that he did indeed... make the call.
 
2013-09-06 01:00:50 PM  

poisonedpawn78: yeah but how long before he starts to blame the operator for mishandling his call and trying to ruin their career just to protect the fact that he did indeed... make the call.


The people who work for the phone company are all anti-semites.
 
2013-09-06 01:02:46 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: poisonedpawn78: yeah but how long before he starts to blame the operator for mishandling his call and trying to ruin their career just to protect the fact that he did indeed... make the call.

The people who work for the phone company are all anti-semites.


And UPS fans.
 
2013-09-06 01:19:10 PM  
So he is going to waste 20 minutes of his life to call Brewer season ticket holders?
 
2013-09-06 01:26:53 PM  

Gunny Highway: fark him.


Fark David Ortiz too, right? He did PEDs, got caught and denies he took them. He is still looking for the "real juicer"
 
2013-09-06 01:40:20 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Too late for Braun.  He doubled-down on the innocence thing, and it came back to haunt him.  Now we'll just have to wonder if he ever played clean, and if he even can.


I don't get that attitude towards this though.   Unless I am totally missing something.... he still has the talent to put good contact from his bat to the ball... hit it more often to places where the defense isn't going to get it, etc.   Maybe it is because they make it seem easy, but, most people CAN'T hit a fastball with any sort of regularity.

All that PEDs for the most part do is either increase your strength/endurance, or help you return from injuries faster.   Granted, those are major things, but, they can't help you be skilled at the very "basics" of what makes a person who can play baseball.   And that goes for most of sports skills.

All these players who "use"... at the end of the day, even without using, are very, very good baseball players.... they are just greedy and want 60 HR instead of 45 HR.... or a 95-mph fastball instead of a 90... because those differences mean the difference between a $2 million/yr contract and a $7 million/yr contract... so, it isn't "surprising" that players do it.

Your comment just rubbed me the wrong way, like without PEDs he's as good as an average high school sophomore or something.  These are not crappy players who are now "Major League Level" because of the PEDs.   They are all "Major League" raw skill-level players.   I guess you could say "Maybe without the PEDs, he'd be on the edge of if he'd be in the 'bigs' or someone else"... I guess I can't argue that.  The strength/endurance a player has is probably what "separates" them from the others who don't make it out of the minors.  I just question whether it is that much of a difference, or if it is just bumping up contracts of players who would have most likely "gotten there" anyway.
 
2013-09-06 01:42:39 PM  
Meanwhile, back in YankeeLand ...
 
2013-09-06 01:55:56 PM  

machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: fark him.

Fark David Ortiz too, right? He did PEDs, got caught and denies he took them. He is still looking for the "real juicer"


The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job.  But yeah, fark Ortiz and Manny and anyone else who juiced.
 
2013-09-06 02:04:27 PM  
Fark Ryan Braun.
 
2013-09-06 02:16:48 PM  
Can we get these calls recorded? Could they possibly be released as a compilation CD at some point?
 
2013-09-06 02:24:48 PM  

Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: fark him.

Fark David Ortiz too, right? He did PEDs, got caught and denies he took them. He is still looking for the "real juicer"

The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job.  But yeah, fark Ortiz and Manny and anyone else who juiced.


That's an awful long list
 
2013-09-06 02:28:28 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: fark him.

Fark David Ortiz too, right? He did PEDs, got caught and denies he took them. He is still looking for the "real juicer"

The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job.  But yeah, fark Ortiz and Manny and anyone else who juiced.

That's an awful long list


Yup.  That is why Braun separated himself by with his actions afterwards.  Release all of the names on all of the lists and let history decide how we treat them.
 
2013-09-06 02:29:57 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Think the Brewers, media and Braun would be able to quickly move past this so he can keep his head down and be an average fielder/hitter?


I hope he can move past it.  As far as fans and media, I couldn't really care less.  If you have some high morality standard for top level competitors with millions of dollars at stake, you either have your head in the sand or are constantly disappointed.  I'm not excusing what he did at all, but he has his suspension and will be back next year.

Ponzholio: Yanks_RSJ: poisonedpawn78: yeah but how long before he starts to blame the operator for mishandling his call and trying to ruin their career just to protect the fact that he did indeed... make the call.

The people who work for the phone company are all anti-semites.

And UPS fans.


I laughed way more than I should have at ya'lls posts.

AceThunder: So he is going to waste 20 minutes of his life to call Brewer season ticket holders?


Brewers have been in the top 15 for attendance since 2006.  Don't think that's too bad for the smallest market in baseball.

Gunny Highway: The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job


Not defending Braun at all, he never should have said anything about the tester in public, but once MLB lost the arbitration, that guy was losing his job immediately.  He was very publicly found by the panel to have broken protocol with a medical procedure.  That isn't taken lightly.

Do you think it's Braun's fault that the arbitrator who found in his favor got canned too?
 
2013-09-06 02:31:26 PM  

Gunny Highway: ElwoodCuse: Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: fark him.

Fark David Ortiz too, right? He did PEDs, got caught and denies he took them. He is still looking for the "real juicer"

The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job.  But yeah, fark Ortiz and Manny and anyone else who juiced.

That's an awful long list

Yup.  That is why Braun separated himself by with his actions afterwards.  Release all of the names on all of the lists and let history decide how we treat them.


Guys who DIDN'T cheat at baseball is a shorter list
 
2013-09-06 02:36:30 PM  

Ponzholio: Mambo Bananapatch: > "This was all Ryan's thing...It was all his initiative. He didn't want publicity about it."

Well now that sounds kind of like bullshiat.

> News of Braun's apology calls emerged on the same day that SURG Restaurant Group announced it was ending its business relationship with Braun for the 8-Twelve restaurants and Ryan Braun's Graffito. The end of those relationships follows Braun losing personal endorsements...

Ah.
I'm starting to get more and more skeptical with each passing day that Aaron Rogers will welch on his bet that Braun was clean...


Would there be any tax issues with handing that kind of money to someone, I wonder?
 
2013-09-06 02:38:53 PM  

roc6783: Not defending Braun at all, he never should have said anything about the tester in public, but once MLB lost the arbitration, that guy was losing his job immediately. He was very publicly found by the panel to have broken protocol with a medical procedure. That isn't taken lightly.

Do you think it's Braun's fault that the arbitrator who found in his favor got canned too?


Ill be honest, I didnt know that.  I dont know.  I do know that Braun was a dick about it.  So was Ortiz.  Why he got a pass is beyond me.  I think the guy was trying to paint me into a corner by bringing up Ortiz because I am a Sox fan.

ElwoodCuse: Guys who DIDN'T cheat at baseball is a shorter list


Yes.  I would like to see that list.
 
2013-09-06 02:39:23 PM  
He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.
 
2013-09-06 02:40:36 PM  
An elaborate ploy to call that pretty mom who always does the score card.

Looks like the ball is back in our court
 
2013-09-06 02:41:38 PM  

roc6783: Not defending Braun at all, he never should have said anything about the tester in public, but once MLB lost the arbitration, that guy was losing his job immediately.  He was very publicly found by the panel to have broken protocol with a medical procedure.  That isn't taken lightly.


I never understood that either.  People kept saying afterwards that this somehow vindicated the tester.  It didn't at all.  If I was found to do a bad job during an internal review about another matter, I should get fired no matter the outcome of the review.
 
2013-09-06 02:44:40 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.


this.
 
2013-09-06 02:48:37 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.


The only thing that truly angers me is that it doesn't automatically void their contract. To me it's defrauding a team into a higher amount than deserved given the circumstances.
 
2013-09-06 02:50:40 PM  

Dafatone: sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.

this.


I am on board with all of that.  I want all the names released, I dont know why we make exceptions for greenies or ball scuffers, and look at football players the same way I look at baseball players.  PEDs are part of the games history and I am just curious to know what baseball knows.

Ryan Braun seems like a dick.  Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am being a hypocrite, but it is how I feel about the guy.

/GAH! I am talking about PEDs
//*shiats pants* *dies*
 
2013-09-06 02:55:37 PM  

thecpt: sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.

The only thing that truly angers me is that it doesn't automatically void their contract. To me it's defrauding a team into a higher amount than deserved given the circumstances.


Yeah that wouldn't be abused by teams who want out of albatross contracts or anything
 
2013-09-06 02:55:59 PM  

Gunny Highway: Ryan Braun seems like a dick.  Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am being a hypocrite, but it is how I feel about the guy.

/GAH! I am talking about PEDs
//*shiats pants* *dies*


Maybe it is because I am in Milwaukee, but I tend to believe his account of events from his statement after being suspended.  Obviously what he was doing actually caused him to test positive, so I doubt he was using it before then (or he would have tested positive earlier).  He didn't test positive after, and we sure as hell know they were regularly testing him after.

I remember his MVP year pretty clearly and he was fighting injuries.  So his version of events makes sense.  I can also understand after testing positive freaking out and trying to find a way out.  I'm sure most people here have lied after doing something wrong.  Hell, we never would have known about any of this except someone from the MLB leaked his test results before his appeal was heard.  At that point he kind of had to lie to the public.  Either way, he handled it very very poorly and he deserves all the lost endorsements and praise, but the scorn is kind of over the top.
 
2013-09-06 03:03:12 PM  

ElwoodCuse: thecpt: sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.

The only thing that truly angers me is that it doesn't automatically void their contract. To me it's defrauding a team into a higher amount than deserved given the circumstances.

Yeah that wouldn't be abused by teams who want out of albatross contracts or anything


Okay, and how is that a bad thing? The player has to get caught IMO and they signed him in gods faith
 
2013-09-06 03:05:41 PM  

roc6783: Not defending Braun at all, he never should have said anything about the tester in public, but once MLB lost the arbitration, that guy was losing his job immediately. He was very publicly found by the panel to have broken protocol with a medical procedure. That isn't taken lightly.


Yeah, that was my thought too. It didn't matter one iota how much shiat Braun and his legal team smeared all over the tester; his job was bound to be toast through either proof of failure to follow protocol, or because MLB was flat embarrassed about a high-profile case being tossed. Big corporations tend to scapegoat underlings all the time.
 
2013-09-06 03:06:01 PM  
Ok go ahead and get that written into the next JDA/CBA
 
2013-09-06 03:07:41 PM  

thecpt: Okay, and how is that a bad thing? The player has to get caught IMO and they signed him in gods faith


Someone set us up the failed test?  It creates a perverse incentive - if it voided the contracts, it would be worth it for e.g. the Phillies to pay someone $50 million to ensure Howard fails a test and they can punt on his deal.

Also, the union will never allow it.
 
2013-09-06 03:12:04 PM  
Failed test ha, the whole point of Biogenesis was to set the precedent that a failed test isn't required for punishment.

The Howard contract is a good example. Albert Pujols isn't far off from the Arod treatment either, given the money he is owed.
 
2013-09-06 03:12:34 PM  

you have pee hands: thecpt: Okay, and how is that a bad thing? The player has to get caught IMO and they signed him in gods faith

Someone set us up the failed test?  It creates a perverse incentive - if it voided the contracts, it would be worth it for e.g. the Phillies to pay someone $50 million to ensure Howard fails a test and they can punt on his deal.

Also, the union will never allow it.


Well, duh. And there is already an appeal process, no? Plus it's a third party from MLB, not the team, that manages the testing.

/also, typo on good faith. I'm not one of those people.
 
2013-09-06 03:25:48 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: He apparently talked to a guy that am acquainted with.  Apparently he seemed pretty sincere. He's never going to be voted into the Hall of Fame now, and no one will ever fully believe him about anything (and rightfully so),  but the righteous indignation over PEDs in baseball makes no sense to me.  Most of the people who are up in arms over this don't bat an eyelash when they catch a football player testing positive.  Most people don't seem to care that players used to take greenies during the 60s and 70s (that is a PED too and honestly if we think all PED users should have an asterisk next to their records so should all amphetamine users).   Hell, we should put asterisks next to all the people who used to put pine tar on the ball or scuff it with bottlecaps and the like.  Their cheating was more direct.

In the end, people treat baseball like it's some holier than thou sport when they really shouldn't.


Hell, the good ol' boy Mickey Mantle used steroids in '61 and a corked bat.

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/13/mickey-mantle-corked-bat/

His absence down the stretch in 1961 due to an abscess in his hip is said to have been caused by a quack who injected him with a concoction of steroids and amphetamines, administered to cure him of a sexually transmitted disease.

They all cheat. And someone says their favorite player didn't/doesn't cheat? How do they know? Did they never fail a drug test? Neither did A-Rod, or Nelson Cruz, or Jhonny Peralta. And they think Biogenesis is the only anti-aging clinic in the nation? Hah. And who says the players that go home their home country in the offseason don't juice off their gourd then? They would never get tested when they are at home in another country
 
2013-09-06 03:34:35 PM  

machoprogrammer: Hell, the good ol' boy Mickey Mantle used steroids in '61 and a corked bat.


From the first line of the farking article:

"Earlier this month, Grey Flannel Auctions made waves by listing that was said to have been used by Mickey Mantle at some point during his 18-year career.  "

Pardon my skepticism.
 
2013-09-06 03:35:44 PM  

roc6783: Nadie_AZ: Think the Brewers, media and Braun would be able to quickly move past this so he can keep his head down and be an average fielder/hitter?

I hope he can move past it.  As far as fans and media, I couldn't really care less.  If you have some high morality standard for top level competitors with millions of dollars at stake, you either have your head in the sand or are constantly disappointed.  I'm not excusing what he did at all, but he has his suspension and will be back next year.

Ponzholio: Yanks_RSJ: poisonedpawn78: yeah but how long before he starts to blame the operator for mishandling his call and trying to ruin their career just to protect the fact that he did indeed... make the call.

The people who work for the phone company are all anti-semites.

And UPS fans.

I laughed way more than I should have at ya'lls posts.

AceThunder: So he is going to waste 20 minutes of his life to call Brewer season ticket holders?

Brewers have been in the top 15 for attendance since 2006.  Don't think that's too bad for the smallest market in baseball.

Gunny Highway: The juicing bothers me less than lashing out at the guy who handled his sample which lead to him losing his job

Not defending Braun at all, he never should have said anything about the tester in public, but once MLB lost the arbitration, that guy was losing his job immediately.  He was very publicly found by the panel to have broken protocol with a medical procedure.  That isn't taken lightly.

Do you think it's Braun's fault that the arbitrator who found in his favor got canned too?


Also don't forget that we wouldn't know the testers name _at all_ had the test result not been leaked, in blatant violation of the CBA.  I seem to recall Braun even saying "the tester" in the first press conference or two, and only after MLB named the tester (or the name otherwise came out, I'm fuzzy) did Braun start bagging on him by name.
 
2013-09-06 03:37:36 PM  

dletter: Orgasmatron138: Too late for Braun.  He doubled-down on the innocence thing, and it came back to haunt him.  Now we'll just have to wonder if he ever played clean, and if he even can.

I don't get that attitude towards this though.   Unless I am totally missing something.... he still has the talent to put good contact from his bat to the ball... hit it more often to places where the defense isn't going to get it, etc.   Maybe it is because they make it seem easy, but, most people CAN'T hit a fastball with any sort of regularity.

All that PEDs for the most part do is either increase your strength/endurance, or help you return from injuries faster.   Granted, those are major things, but, they can't help you be skilled at the very "basics" of what makes a person who can play baseball.   And that goes for most of sports skills.

All these players who "use"... at the end of the day, even without using, are very, very good baseball players.... they are just greedy and want 60 HR instead of 45 HR.... or a 95-mph fastball instead of a 90... because those differences mean the difference between a $2 million/yr contract and a $7 million/yr contract... so, it isn't "surprising" that players do it.

Your comment just rubbed me the wrong way, like without PEDs he's as good as an average high school sophomore or something.  These are not crappy players who are now "Major League Level" because of the PEDs.   They are all "Major League" raw skill-level players.   I guess you could say "Maybe without the PEDs, he'd be on the edge of if he'd be in the 'bigs' or someone else"... I guess I can't argue that.  The strength/endurance a player has is probably what "separates" them from the others who don't make it out of the minors.  I just question whether it is that much of a difference, or if it is just bumping up contracts of players who would have most likely "gotten there" anyway.


The argument I've heard is  that PEDs can also increase bat speed because it affects your explosiveness (I'm assuming through enhanced fast-twitch muscle fibers), which can be the difference in hitting a major league fastball or not hitting it.

Also, like you mentioned, MLBs season is LONG, and a lot of guys just cannot physically make it through that much baseball without their numbers dropping off.  As PEDs help you recover, it's more than fair to say that it can help some guys play the game at the ML level who otherwise wouldn't be able to.

As far as fielding is concerned, I agree with you for the most part - fundamentals are fundamentals.  Again, though, he may have an arm that he wouldn't have without enhancement, and he may have better reaction time to the ball.

I'm not saying he can't play at the ML level, I'm just saying I'd like to see him play clean because I don't think we ever have.  Unfortunately, I don't think we ever will, because the cheaters will always be ahead of the testers.
 
2013-09-06 03:43:34 PM  

thecpt: you have pee hands: thecpt: Okay, and how is that a bad thing? The player has to get caught IMO and they signed him in gods faith

Someone set us up the failed test?  It creates a perverse incentive - if it voided the contracts, it would be worth it for e.g. the Phillies to pay someone $50 million to ensure Howard fails a test and they can punt on his deal.

Also, the union will never allow it.

Well, duh. And there is already an appeal process, no? Plus it's a third party from MLB, not the team, that manages the testing.


An appeals process where the MLB rep has voted to uphold a player's suspension 100% of the time, the MLBPA rep has voted to overturn the suspension 100% of the time (or damn close) - making those two votes essentially meaningless rubber stamps - and the arbitrator has voted to uphold the suspension 100% of the time minus _exactly once_, pissing off MLB so much that they canned him before he had even completed his written report?  Doesn't exactly sound like the thing I want to put my faith in if I'm truly being set up.
 
2013-09-06 03:48:52 PM  

taliesinwi: thecpt: you have pee hands: thecpt: Okay, and how is that a bad thing? The player has to get caught IMO and they signed him in gods faith

Someone set us up the failed test?  It creates a perverse incentive - if it voided the contracts, it would be worth it for e.g. the Phillies to pay someone $50 million to ensure Howard fails a test and they can punt on his deal.

Also, the union will never allow it.

Well, duh. And there is already an appeal process, no? Plus it's a third party from MLB, not the team, that manages the testing.

An appeals process where the MLB rep has voted to uphold a player's suspension 100% of the time, the MLBPA rep has voted to overturn the suspension 100% of the time (or damn close) - making those two votes essentially meaningless rubber stamps - and the arbitrator has voted to uphold the suspension 100% of the time minus _exactly once_, pissing off MLB so much that they canned him before he had even completed his written report?  Doesn't exactly sound like the thing I want to put my faith in if I'm truly being set up.


Maybe, and hear me out, no team has ever bribed them for a positive before.

Holy crap.
 
2013-09-06 04:27:43 PM  

lacrossestar83: Fark Ryan Braun.


I think some really hot chick already is.
 
2013-09-06 04:29:58 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: "This was all Ryan's thing...It was all his initiative. He didn't want publicity about it."


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Suspended Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun is personally calling season ticket holders and apologizing for using performance-enhancing drugs, Brewers chief operating officer Rick Schlesinger told WTMJ-AM (620) radio on the "Wisconsin Afternoon News" on Thursday.

Do not, I repeat DO NOT, tell your secrets to Rick Schlesinger.
 
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