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(Opposing Views)   The always timely UN is finally getting around to the George Zimmerman case. If they were any slower to act, they'd be the Sanford Police Department   (opposingviews.com) divider line 108
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2013-09-06 12:08:42 PM
Oh, I don't know. Things have picked up a bit since the new sergeant came to town.

pop-break.com
 
2013-09-06 12:52:07 PM
Watch out, George; a firmly worded letter is being composed as we speak

/and... DRINK!
 
2013-09-06 01:05:05 PM
That's hilarious.
 
2013-09-06 01:14:02 PM
No need. People who literally get away with murder start thinking they're untouchable, and tend to do something else that lands their ass in prison.
 
2013-09-06 01:24:51 PM
I am at a loss.
 
2013-09-06 01:25:51 PM
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-06 01:26:20 PM
Dear UN,

When you get off your ass and do something about Syria, then we might do something about Georgie-boy. Deal?

xoxoxo

U.S.A.
 
2013-09-06 01:26:52 PM

Saborlas: No need. People who literally get away with murder start thinking they're untouchable, and tend to do something else that lands their ass in prison.


media.heavy.com
 
2013-09-06 01:28:43 PM
It's for the greater good!

/The greater good.
 
2013-09-06 01:30:17 PM
What the fark do they care about that case for anyway?
 
2013-09-06 01:30:32 PM

Saborlas: No need. People who literally get away with murder start thinking they're untouchable, and tend to do something else that lands their ass in prison.


How does that apply to George Zimmerman, who, by definition, didn't get away with murder?
 
2013-09-06 01:30:55 PM
I'm not sure if this is a human rights issue. Are minorities less likely to mount a successful legal defense with current self-defense/stand your ground laws? If so, is that because of the way the law is written more so than other factors like specifics of the case or a jury being more likely to convict a minority?
 
2013-09-06 01:31:08 PM
I really think it is time to 'relocate' the U.N. to another country and withdraw from it. This is just another example of the failure that is the U.N.

Time to get countries that actually want to work together to join a 'new' organization.

/O.W.G.
 
2013-09-06 01:32:34 PM

abhorrent1: What the fark do they care about that case for anyway?


This.

Hell, why the fark was it a national case in the first place?  It was, at the very best, a regional story for Central Florida.  At best.  Until, of course, publicists got hired to make it a national story.
 
2013-09-06 01:32:36 PM

abhorrent1: What the fark do they care about that case for anyway?


Because the US has a bigger media complex than countries all around the world where this kind of thing happens every day has.
 
2013-09-06 01:32:37 PM
Is there anything they can actually do? Ignoring the usual "UN is impotent" jokes, this is a US citizen who was involved in an event on US soil, the other party was also a US citizen, and Zimmerman was tried under US law.

What could possibly be done at this point?
 
2013-09-06 01:33:24 PM

Klivian: Is there anything they can actually do? Ignoring the usual "UN is impotent" jokes, this is a US citizen who was involved in an event on US soil, the other party was also a US citizen, and Zimmerman was tried under US law.

What could possibly be done at this point?


Try Zimmerman at the ICC for war crimes?
 
2013-09-06 01:34:28 PM

highendmighty: abhorrent1: What the fark do they care about that case for anyway?

Because the US has a bigger media complex than countries all around the world where this kind of thing happens every day has.


...have.
AND, since we're on the topic, since the UN's impotence for world affairs is apparent, perhaps a small regional affair is all they feel they can arbitrate.

By the way.  fark you, UN.
 
2013-09-06 01:35:04 PM
Sorry...but don't get your point....the Sanford Police and the prosecution didn't think they had enough Evidence to prosecute George (and expend vast sums of public monies)....so they didn't....They were Forced into it by media and Federal pressure

the outcome of the case proved their initial read was correct
 
2013-09-06 01:36:22 PM
dittybopper -

  ianal but have 5 minutes to spend

  George Zimmerman did, in fact, get away with murder.  He DID kill someone admittedly) thus committing homicide (the death of a human being) and one of the potential charges was 2nd degree murder.

  It is only through the justice system, and per at least one jury member who stated SYG came up in deliberations, and a lack of evidence to prove another theory, that Zimmerman was found "not guilty" of the charge of murder.

  also manslaughter

  so, yes, he did - i await your flaming reply as to why he did nothing wrong and and a timeline of the events that night (spiced with speculation as to who began the fight and why "everyone KNOWS" this to be FACT) and how I am a gun hating liberal - while completely ignoring the truth that the charge did include the word "murder" and he did, in fact, "get away"
 
2013-09-06 01:37:00 PM
Don't bite, bopper!
 
2013-09-06 01:38:52 PM
Holy shiat. This story is real. This is actually reassuring to me. If the U.N. is sticking its nose in here, then surely it must have addressed all the serious problems that have been plaguing the world in recent years.
 
2013-09-06 01:41:17 PM
And they needed to get involved because why? Did GZ kill off a whole village of TM's?
 
2013-09-06 01:42:14 PM
Punk kid got what he deserved...

Zimmerman will get his...

the U.N. is useless, and should mind its own farking bidness
 
2013-09-06 01:42:23 PM
I agree UN. I, too, hope he gets shot. Many, many times. Like a North Korean ex-girlriend.
 
2013-09-06 01:42:41 PM

DoomPaul: I'm not sure if this is a human rights issue. Are minorities less likely to mount a successful legal defense with current self-defense/stand your ground laws? If so, is that because of the way the law is written more so than other factors like specifics of the case or a jury being more likely to convict a minority?


As it happens, in Florida, blacks have a higer rate of being set free using Stand Your Ground than whites.

http://www.tampabay.com/new s/courts/criminal/race-plays-complex-role-i n-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152
 
2013-09-06 01:43:39 PM
Murder is an unlawful killing. Jury found it to be lawful. So he did not commit a murder. People need to move on.
 
2013-09-06 01:45:52 PM
Dear U.N.

Get off our d**k and do something useful.

Sincerely,
The U.S.
 
2013-09-06 01:46:07 PM
i26.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-06 01:47:38 PM

parasol: dittybopper -

  ianal but have 5 minutes to spend

  George Zimmerman did, in fact, get away with murder.  He DID kill someone admittedly) thus committing homicide (the death of a human being) and one of the potential charges was 2nd degree murder.

  It is only through the justice system, and per at least one jury member who stated SYG came up in deliberations, and a lack of evidence to prove another theory, that Zimmerman was found "not guilty" of the charge of murder.

  also manslaughter

  so, yes, he did - i await your flaming reply as to why he did nothing wrong and and a timeline of the events that night (spiced with speculation as to who began the fight and why "everyone KNOWS" this to be FACT) and how I am a gun hating liberal - while completely ignoring the truth that the charge did include the word "murder" and he did, in fact, "get away"


not guilty = getting away with

I'll be sure to remember that.
 
2013-09-06 01:49:20 PM
Oh yeah, the UN getting involved will really go over well with the right wing crack pot militia forming black helicopter fearing gun fetish crowd that supports that murdering racists thug white trash Zimmerman.
 
2013-09-06 01:52:32 PM
jaybeezy:
not guilty = getting away with
I'll be sure to remember that.



please do -
being found not guilty due to a lack of evidence = getting away with it

you forgot O.J. already? a shame
 
2013-09-06 01:52:37 PM
I'm usually all in favor of intergovernmental organizations like the UN, but this is hilarious.  Of all the things going on in the world that should concern the UN...
 
2013-09-06 01:54:48 PM

jaybeezey: DoomPaul: I'm not sure if this is a human rights issue. Are minorities less likely to mount a successful legal defense with current self-defense/stand your ground laws? If so, is that because of the way the law is written more so than other factors like specifics of the case or a jury being more likely to convict a minority?

As it happens, in Florida, blacks have a higer rate of being set free using Stand Your Ground than whites.

http://www.tampabay.com/new s/courts/criminal/race-plays-complex-role-i n-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152


it's cherry picked data.

in the cases of whites shooting blacks 1 convicted /6 justified/ 4 pending

in the cases of blacks shooting whites  3 convicted/ 4 justified/ 2 pending
 
2013-09-06 01:54:59 PM
Seriously? This story has to be fake. Why would the UN care about one black kid getting murdered; when compaired to what happens in Africa on a daily basis.
 
2013-09-06 01:56:07 PM

parasol: jaybeezy:
not guilty = getting away with
I'll be sure to remember that.


please do -
being found not guilty due to a lack of evidence = getting away with it


or due to biased jury and poor prosecutors
 
2013-09-06 01:58:08 PM

parasol: George Zimmerman did, in fact, get away with murder.  He DID kill someone admittedly) thus committing homicide (the death of a human being) and one of the potential charges was 2nd degree murder.


Are you saying, then, that all killing is murder?

It is only through the justice system, and per at least one jury member who stated SYG came up in deliberations...

Given that SYG did not come up during the actual proceedings, bringing it up during the deliberations would be a case of misconduct on the jury's part. It makes little difference since double-jeopardy prevents Zimmerman from being tried again, but if they'd convicted him, he might have been able to use that as evidence for a mistrial petition.

while completely ignoring the truth that the charge did include the word "murder" and he did, in fact, "get away"

You're twisting the definitions of words here. "Getting away" would mean that he ought to have been convicted of murder: something the court did not find and the facts, as best we know them, in no way support.
 
2013-09-06 01:58:53 PM

parasol: jaybeezy:
not guilty = getting away with
I'll be sure to remember that.


please do -
being found not guilty due to a lack of evidence = getting away with it

you forgot O.J. already? a shame


OJ had mountains of evidence that was simply ignored. Zimmerman simply had no evidence.
 
2013-09-06 02:01:42 PM

ferretman: I really think it is time to 'relocate' the U.N. to another country and withdraw from it. This is just another example of the failure that is the U.N.

Time to get countries that actually want to work together to join a 'new' organization.

/O.W.G.


Maybe all the nations of the world could form some sort of League, or something.  Worked in the past, right?
 
2013-09-06 02:02:24 PM
It's time to move on.  George Zimmerman was found Not Guilty.  It's not that he was innocent, just not guilty by a jury trial  This was all done through the US justice system.

People can't let it go.  The not guilty decision was not good enough for them.  They wanted a guilty verdict and nothing less.  So, now they are going try and force any punishment they can get.

The UN is not a relevant organization anymore.  The reason for it's existence is long gone.  Concentrate on Syria, the world economy, etc.
 
2013-09-06 02:02:58 PM
I'm so confused right now.

So, you know, situation normal.
 
2013-09-06 02:03:32 PM

Click Click D'oh: Oh yeah, the UN getting involved will really go over well with the right wing crack pot militia forming black helicopter fearing gun fetish crowd that supports that murdering racists thug white trash Zimmerman.


And this is why you should not huff paint kids
 
2013-09-06 02:03:53 PM
Saying an acquittal on murder by reason of self-defense is "getting away with murder" is about as stupid as saying an acquittal on rape by reason of consent is "getting away with rape".

But don't let that stop the Zimmerman haters who still to this day are declaring he was told by police to stay in his car (I'm looking at you CNN). Facts mean very little to them.
 
2013-09-06 02:03:55 PM
Millenium:

You're twisting the definitions of words here. "Getting away" would mean that he ought to have been convicted of murder: something the court did not find and the facts, as best we know them, in no way support.

Please, see my post to JayBeezy
The case was flawed for several reasons - most markedly a lack of evidence to support\/prove an alternate theory to the one presented by the defense..

Saying he didn't get away with a crime because the court, based on the facts present, found him "not guilty" is disingenuous - akin to saying "well, you didn't see it, so it doesn't count"

and the UN involvement, if true, is silly
 
2013-09-06 02:04:21 PM

iheartscotch: Seriously? This story has to be fake. Why would the UN care about one black kid getting murdered; when compaired to what happens in Africa on a daily basis.


tng.trekcore.com
No, no, no, no, no, you-you don't understand the scope of his crime. He didn't kill just one black kid, or a hundred, or a thousand. he shot them all. All black kids, everywhere.
 
2013-09-06 02:05:21 PM

parasol: George Zimmerman did, in fact, get away with murder.  He DID kill someone admittedly) thus committing homicide (the death of a human being) and one of the potential charges was 2nd degree murder.


I'm not going to flame you.

I will point out, however, that the evidence put forth by the prosecution in the trial didn't rise to the level of murder.  It was, at best, if you discounted all the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony that supported self-defense, manslaughter.

Also, homicide is the killing of a person, and that can be legal under certain circumstances, like the one George Zimmerman found himself in (being beaten by a person bigger than him, with no escape possible).  Murder is *NEVER* legal.
 
2013-09-06 02:07:15 PM
yeah, 'cause we all sell apples around here, don't we?
 
2013-09-06 02:07:26 PM
Came for all the "OMG why are you persecuting George Zimmerman" butthurt.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-09-06 02:08:10 PM

MagSeven: iheartscotch: Seriously? This story has to be fake. Why would the UN care about one black kid getting murdered; when compaired to what happens in Africa on a daily basis.

[tng.trekcore.com image 694x530]
No, no, no, no, no, you-you don't understand the scope of his crime. He didn't kill just one black kid, or a hundred, or a thousand. he shot them all. All black kids, everywhere.


slowcap.jpeg
 
2013-09-06 02:08:11 PM
Tom Sawyer: Saying an acquittal on murder by reason of self-defense is "getting away with murder" is about as stupid as saying an acquittal on rape by reason of consent is "getting away with rape".


Yes, except, self-defense wasn't the defense (syg) - look above. HAD it been, there would have been no trial at all.

Btw? Anyone who uses "yeah, but, like rape" as an analogy is suspect. Just saying.....

I suspect he "got away with murder" based almost exclusively on post-trial juror statements. and, yes, it's over now - all but for his inability to escape the press.
 
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